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Thursday, July 19, 2007
Jail time for muslims in America, Iranian regime claims
Any one who converts to Islam in America will be jailed for over 20 years, regime's propaganda machine claims in a Persian language news bulletin that is run by the clerical school of Qum. This news bulletin claims the Morocco based Arabic newspaper "Al-Tajdid" as the real source of the news story and quotes non-existing "America" news agency as the primary source of the false story. The bulletin goes on to say that radical Zionist groups in America have proposed a plan that every convert should be jailed and this proposal has prompted the US government to toughen its intelligence gathering efforts to seek those new converts and prosecute them.
I'm literary wasting my time posting such nonsense to inform you about the amount of propaganda that the mullahs are spreading to completely brainwash the people and yet there is not a strong counter-measure from those who are potentially concerned about the future of this idealogical struggle.
I mean the whole thing doesn't make sense at all and it is a laughing matter to many of us here in the west, but the mullahs and their radical counterparts in the Arab world have an effective propaganda machine to brainwash the naive people. My question is: what are we going to do about it? Let them have their Press TV while we sit back and do nothing to counter them!?!
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Posted by: yikes | 2007-07-19 7:29:14 PM
I believe the psychological term of which the Mullahs suffer is called "projection".
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-19 7:38:26 PM
Dont know what the heck is wrong with them but I know for a fact that clerics running Iran are sick and mentally challenged!
Posted by: Winston | 2007-07-19 7:48:55 PM
. . . and they are not easy on the eyes either.
They look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-19 7:59:07 PM
I was unaware Conrad had converted to Islam.
Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-19 8:18:51 PM
"I was unaware Conrad had converted to Islam."
1) You believe the mullahs.
2) You can't tell the difference between a convicted person and a person who converts to Islam and is then convicted in the US.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-19 8:52:49 PM
Pop a geosynchronous satellite over Iran and put counter-argument TV into Iranian homes.
Posted by: DML | 2007-07-19 9:10:13 PM
The Playboy channel and Home Shopping Channel should bring 'em to their knees...no pun intended.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-19 9:13:57 PM
why don't you ignore munroe?
Posted by: self | 2007-07-19 9:16:21 PM
Note to self. Ignore notes from self.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-19 9:18:49 PM
Gotta go clean my keyboard now! LOL !!!
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-19 9:25:22 PM
What an opportunity for a ribald comeback but this is a family channel.
Posted by: DML | 2007-07-19 9:55:24 PM
I don't normally pick fights over spelling and grammar, but I've seen you misspell "ideology" or "ideological" at least a dozen times now. It's becoming irritating.
From style on to substance--
I'm not sure this matters at all. The Iranian media regime is repressive, and yes, the state press is full of lies. However, as was seen in the Soviet Union, when the state represses the media, the citizens look elsewhere for information. During the height of Soviet media control, Russians listened to more foreign radio and read more foreign newspapers than any other people in the world. The general public is smarter than propagandists would give them credit for.
Ironically, the level of media control and ridiculousness of media claims in Iran could result in the Iranian public being more informed than the average North American, as they will seek out information that is of substance rather than the Nancy Grace tripe that seems to compose North American news. They know they have to work harder to get accurate information, and as in the USSR, they probably do.
"A new study from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press shows that Americans, on average, are less able to correctly answer questions about current events than they were in 1989. Citizens who call the Internet their primary news source know slightly less than fans of TV and radio news. Hmmm... maybe a little less Perez Hilton and a little more Jim Lehrer."
Posted by: Voice of Reason | 2007-07-19 11:19:30 PM
Instead of picking fights over my alleged misspellings, you better get to know Iran better. I believe you know nothing about Iran ;-)
Posted by: Winston | 2007-07-20 12:32:13 AM
I known how to spell it : I RAN. Hopefully, those will be the last two words the Mullahs speak.
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-20 1:54:22 AM
Racist Group Linked to PBS 'Moderate Muslims' Documentary
CAIR calls on producers to repudiate group's 'hate-filled agenda'
RACIST GROUP LINKED TO PBS 'MODERATE MUSLIMS' DOCUMENTARY
CAIR calls on producers to repudiate group's 'hate-filled agenda'
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 6/28/07) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called on the producers of a PBS-sponsored documentary on "moderate Muslims" to repudiate their alleged ties to a racist group that seeks to impose prison terms for "adherence to Islam" and that questions whether women and African-Americans should be allowed to vote.
David Yerushalmi, the president and founder of the Society of Americans for National Existence (SANE), recently published an online article in which he claims to be the attorney for Frank Gaffney, Alex Alexiev and Martyn Burke, the producers of the controversial PBS documentary "Islam vs. Islamists: Voices from the Muslim Center."
SEE: The Convergence Between the PC Elite and the Jihadists
The taxpayer-supported documentary linked to the founder of SANE has been criticized as agenda-driven and biased. An article in the Arizona Republic newspaper quoted the executive producer for the PBS series that funded the documentary as saying the film had "serious structural problems (and). . .was irresponsible because the writing was alarmist, and it wasn't fair." (4/10/07)
In February of this year, SANE offered a policy proposal that states in part:
"Whereas, adherence to Islam as a Muslim is prima facie evidence of an act in support of the overthrow of the US. [sic] Government through the abrogation, destruction, or violation of the US Constitution and the imposition of Shari'a on the American People. . .It shall be a felony punishable by 20 years in prison to knowingly act in furtherance of, or to support the, adherence to Islam."
SEE: A SANE Act to Deal with the Islamic Threat to America's National Existence
Posted by: Ibrahim Hooper | 2007-07-20 5:12:00 AM
I've seen the film on TV when I was in the US recently. I can see why PBS would not show it. It exposes the Muslims for what they are - infidel- haters who expressly state their goals:
Wipe out the Jews & Christians and restore a world-wide caliphate. It's enough to prepare you to fight them in our streets when the time comes.
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-20 8:20:08 AM
What are we going to do Winston?
I say we sell them anti-psychotic delussion anti-schizophrenic drugs, at top dollar. Why, they could even opt to put it in their well water--or city water--or whatever other method they use--to cull the psychotic scizophrenic delussions, bipolar dissorders, and delussions of grandeur.
What else are they going to do with their money? They can't lend it, because they do not believe in interest--and have said that ionterest is a crime like rape.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-07-20 10:18:21 AM
Maybe it was all a misunderstanding, after all, the US prison system is the largest recruiting centre for Muslim converts in the US. Maybe they meant to report that "the average Muslim convert in the US is already doing 20 years".
Posted by: John Chittick | 2007-07-20 10:31:12 AM
This comes down to "if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the "truth"."
or at least enough people begin to believe it has substance to it.
Unfortunately the whole Muslim ideology seems to be built on lying to their own people.
In response to a comment above by "the voice of reason" stating that as Russians got their news from foreign sources and were able to peice together some semblance of truth to oppose the official propaganda machine, we could expect thinking people in the Muslim world to do the same.
---------Since the whole Muslim world view seems to discourage alternate points of view and questioning in general I would say that the average citizen watching al Jezeerah is LESS ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND FORM ACCURATE OPINIONS THAN RUSSIANS who at least had some ability to question and think.
Posted by: canadian freedoms fan | 2007-07-20 11:07:48 AM
Voice of Reason: I'm sure Winston's English is better than your Farsi. In any event you could have made the correction politely rather than expressing your irritation.
Your point about propaganda in Russia may be true but it does not mean it will apply in Iran. A number of factors may work to make this propaganda effective, the religious nature of the country being one. Iran is a deadly issue for the world and trite assumptions are dangerous.
Posted by: greenmamba | 2007-07-20 12:33:47 PM
Winston wrote: My question is: what are we going to do about it?
Who's this "we"? Canada and the West? Why should "we" do anything about any Third World nation's internal media/propaganda machine? Who will do something about Canada's left-prop CBC-Toronto Star-Globe and Mail media thought-opoly.
Tell the Iranian people to stay in Iran and fight for change from within their own motherland. Have they no pride nor patriotism? We have our own problems in the West without having to "do something" about every problem in every Third World country.
Posted by: JP | 2007-07-20 4:29:20 PM
JP wrote: Who's this "we"?
You will soon have your posting deleted as questioning anything he writes is verboten.
I do agree with everything you wrote. I wonder how long it will take him to delete this.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-20 5:07:42 PM
As Voice of Reason has already questioned Winston's writings and, I may add, has not been deleted, it stands to reason that you are being, perhaps, a bit hyperbolic. Do you have anything of substance to add?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-20 5:11:57 PM
He's hurt that he keeps getting deleted and others are not.
IT'S NOT FAIR, MOMMA! HE DID IT TOO!
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-20 5:50:50 PM
So, Winston, what do you propose we do about it? I think we in the West have bigger problems to deal with right here at home, but let's hear your plan.
Posted by: Guilt-Free White Man | 2007-07-20 10:33:01 PM
Ever play the old telephone game where a message goes around the room from person to person? It changes and the clarity worsens. If truth does not oppose lies, the lies will travel around until they enter your house by the back door and they will triumph over the truth. The mantra that all the impartial scientists, although untrue, seems to be sticking with the general public. Don't be surprized if Islamic lies also stick with enough of the public to make our lives very uncomfortable,
Posted by: DML | 2007-07-20 11:33:51 PM
Jailing Muslims is unfair? Maybe we should adopt the Red Chinese practices:
Beijing’s ‘war on terror’ hides brutal crackdown on Muslims
Local Uihgurs pass a 20 meter tall statue of Cahirman Mao
Michael Sheridan, Kashgar, China
THE CHINESE executioners came for Ismail Semed before 9am. They led him out of his cell as the sun climbed over the Tien Shan mountains in the land he called East Turkestan.
The day before, he had seen his wife, Buhejer, his son, 7, and his daughter, 6, for the last time. After three years in prison and 15 months of uncertainty since a secret trial, they had 10 minutes to say farewell.
Semed was 37, a Muslim and a political activist. He was not guilty of murder nor any act of violence.
Three Chinese judges sentenced him to death for “attempting to split the motherland” and possession of firearms and explosives. He said he was tortured into a confession. Two men whose evidence was used against him were already dead, having been executed in 1999.
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-21 10:11:11 PM
Of course big lies work. A lot of people and not only Muslims are convinced that 9/11 was set up and executed by the Americans.
Posted by: DML | 2007-07-21 10:57:42 PM
"A lot of people and not only Muslims are convinced that 9/11 was set up and executed by the Americans."
And most know marilyn very well.
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-21 11:08:26 PM
The best defence against lies is a clear understanding of the truth.
Fight lies and mythologies at every turn.
Posted by: set you free | 2007-07-21 11:14:29 PM
But here are some Muslims that won't get any jail time for obvious reasons:
"U.N. suspends peacekeepers amid sex abuse charges"
ABIDJAN, Cote d'Ivoire (Reuters) -- The United Nations said on Saturday it had suspended a Moroccan military contingent from its peacekeeping mission in Cote d'Ivoire while it investigated allegations of widespread sexual abuse.
"It means they don't participate in our operations," said Hamadoun Toure, spokesman for the U.N. mission in Cote d'Ivoire (ONUCI). "Those who are found guilty will be sent back home."
SENT HOME FOR RAPING CHILDREN - NOT TO JAIL!!
That's the UN for ya! Then again, Canada's house arrest program for criminals isn't that much better, is it.
Posted by: obc | 2007-07-21 11:26:53 PM
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