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Sunday, July 15, 2007

Canadian Troops Vs Insurgency

Our brave men and women are making progress in Afghanistan in many fronts: A) Battling the insurgency B) Training the Afghan military C) Aiding the civilians.

Posted by Winston on July 15, 2007 in Current Affairs, Military | Permalink

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And this report came from the Bloat and Wail! The establishment can no longer say that the Afghanistan War is a failure. Of course, nothing will stop them from whining - it's just what they do.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-07-15 5:51:15 PM


Our brave men and women

Our? You're an Iranian

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 5:55:58 PM


Oh yeah. Delete and I'll crosspost

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 5:57:30 PM


But compare the Globe's treatment of the story with some other media at the "Update" and "Upperdate" here:

"Afstan: Why we're losing the war..."
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/07/afstan-why-were-losing-war.html

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2007-07-15 6:15:46 PM


So immigrants cannot voice their opinions in Canada? The bigot strikes again!

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-15 6:16:38 PM


So immigrants cannot voice their opinions in Canada?The bigot strikes again!

And exactly where did I say that?

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 6:20:30 PM


"Afghan officials have bemoaned the increased reliance by coalition troops on air strikes, saying they are responsible for a growing number of civilian casualties in the fighting this year."

Damn those ungrateful savages to hell! How dare they question our tactics when our soldiers are fighting and dying for their worthless country. We're committed to staying until Spring 2009, and we should absolutely honor our commitments to our NATO partners. Because this mission is a NATO operation, the continued unity of the Western coalition is the only important consideration. As for the miserable, trifling nation of Afghanistan, and the useless, vile Afghani people, they will continue to be the wretched refuse of the Earth, despite all our help. F#%* them.

Posted by: JP | 2007-07-15 6:27:41 PM


Good on ya Winston. More positive attention needs to be focussed on the good job our troops are doing over there. The practise of the major stream media of blackening our troops' efforts needs to be hobbled as do the efforts of the Jack Laytons of the country.

Posted by: DML | 2007-07-15 6:28:01 PM


http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,2126816,00.html

It's interesting to read what the senior British military command is saying abour Afghanistan. They're worried.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-15 6:32:17 PM


Munroe a Guardian reader, well I never. hahaha

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 6:44:20 PM


What a crock, DML. The media has been stumbling over itself to provide positive news about our TROOPS in Afghanistan. I would challenge you to provide examples of articles or commentaries that "blacken" the TROOPS.

The TROOPS aren't making policy. That's the politicians and the Army command. It's policy that is open to critisism, not the TROOPS.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-15 6:45:09 PM


...and the Independent, St.A. I'm partial to Fisk.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-15 6:46:22 PM


So immigrants cannot voice their opinions in Canada?

Come on ozzie. I'm still waiting for you to cite where I said immigrants in Canada cannot voice their opinion.

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 6:47:09 PM


...and the Independent, St.A. I'm partial to Fisk.

I wonder if obc is a News of the World reader?

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 6:55:30 PM


Lots of positive comments? Lots of coverage of deaths, yes. I do agree that the politicians set the policy. That is as it should be and while they are at it, they might have a look at finding markets for traditional Afghan goods other than Opium. Until there is an honest effort at free trade you can expect the countryside to support insurgents. Do I think that we should be in Afhanistan or anywhere else. No I don't. I think that we should be protecting our own interests and that is far more complex than practising forward defense in Afghanistan. As long as we are over there support the effort.

Posted by: DML | 2007-07-15 6:56:56 PM


Is it sanctioned by the American Right? I do think that you nailed it down with someone on the Daily Mail a few days ago. I imagine it got OBC's attention.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-15 6:58:51 PM


It is tragic how casualties in Afghanistan matter more than gun deaths among Toronto's kids to the Liebral Coalition (Liberals, Dippers, Greens).

The reason is, of course, obvious. Afghanistan is something they can do about, while Toronto's problems are all but insoluble. So much for those innocent non-white kids trying to grow up in the racist city of death.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-07-15 7:08:59 PM


St. Albion

I feel sorry for you dude. You're a leftist bigot. I am proud to be part of Canada and will do my best to serve this country in any capacity I can.

Plz find somewhere else to peddle your liberal hatred against immigrants. Thnx in advance!

Posted by: Winston | 2007-07-15 7:14:05 PM


No they shouldn't be concerned about being attacked in Calgary. Such things are rarer than they appear. Toronto is a shooting gallery combined with a complete disregard for the value of human life.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-07-15 7:21:21 PM


Winston the censor has deleted another post

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 7:32:54 PM


SAPN,
"Our? You're an Iranian"

Irrelevant. This is a blog that discusses issues. Perhaps he identifies with our society. Perhaps, he is Iranian-Canadian.

Most Canadians frown upon discrimination or prejudice based on a person's country of origin.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-15 7:39:23 PM


Most - but not the sap, of course.

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-15 8:07:49 PM


Most - but not the sap, of course.

Come on ozzie. I'm still waiting for you to cite where I said immigrants in Canada cannot voice their opinion.

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 8:26:56 PM


"Our brave men and women

Our? You're an Iranian"

The implication is quite clear to thoughtful people.

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-15 8:31:31 PM


SAPN,
I'm still waiting for you to explain why an Iranian Canadian should be interrogated for using the word "our" as in "our troops".

His country of origin has no bearing on his self-identification with his new country. Unless you have a problem with Iranians doing this.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-15 8:31:58 PM


The implication is quite clear to thoughtful people.

Ah, the implication. Though nowhere do I say immigrants in Canada cannot voice their opinion.

I expected as much.

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 8:46:43 PM


I fart in your general direction.

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-15 8:48:25 PM


I fart in your general direction.

Even that's unoriginal. What's wrong ozzie, still upset about The Daily Mail?

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 8:57:16 PM


All of us on this site know who and what the sap is. No point in engaging him any more.

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-15 8:58:56 PM


All of us on this site know who and what the sap is. No point in engaging him any more.

Another implication. All of us? Have you taken over the role as spokesman for the WS blog?

Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 2007-07-15 9:06:35 PM


64 of 66 Cdn deaths in Afstan are European white. What ever happened to equality of sacrifice? When will the ethnics step up to the challenge?

When will Winston join the CF?

Posted by: DJ | 2007-07-15 9:11:36 PM


Ah, the racist bigots are howling at the moon tonight!

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-15 9:15:45 PM


I cannot tell you how diminished you become the moment you respond to those two little fucks, Albion and Munroe.

They have become the host commentors on nearly every string. This blog has been taken to the level of an inner city high school by those two pieces of shit. Most of the rest of you are guilty by association.

Idiots abound. There is no debate just a hateful pissing contest on both sides.

The only way to clean up this blog is to completely ignore those two shits or perhaps The Shotgun blog managers will see fit to do something about a sign in for members and the exclusion of shit like those two.

I don't profess to be any better a commentor than many others, but I will not be using this blog until the IQ level is raised a bit and the shit has been flushed. I have been out of high school far too long to fit back in here.

I also have more self-respect than to use a toilet like this has become thanks to the two mentioned pieces of shit and the rest of you idiots for allowing it to continue when you could do something about it. That means both sides are pretty stupid and are here for the wrong reasons.

OBC, I'll miss you.


Bye Bye and thanks to the Shotgun for a lot previous good times and education. I will continue to receive The Standard magazine at home and will check in here occasionally to see if there has been any improvement in the level of discourse.

Posted by: Yanni | 2007-07-15 9:25:08 PM


Ezra:

Take note.

Best of luck, Yanni!

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-15 9:30:05 PM


"Ah, the racist bigots are howling at the moon tonight!"

And thank goodness for that, otherwise every eligible white man will be sent to die in the Stan trying to bring about, at the point of a gun, what thousands of years of evolution has not accomplished.

Why do self-loathers foment such a vicious hatred of their own people? It's not too late for obc to offer his services as a mercenary in the Stan. Why doesn't he go?

C-O-W-A-R-D.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-07-15 9:34:44 PM


I agree, I have dropped in quite a bit lately
and find it very boring, and for the reasons
you give for your leaving, Yanni
Comments are needed that help and teach, not
making far too young remarks that serve no
purpose except from the people making them,
I suppose.

Posted by: carole | 2007-07-15 10:47:31 PM


Good luck to the Vandoos!
Keep making us proud, stay safe and please come back in one piece.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-07-15 11:54:51 PM


Yanni: I don't profess to be any better a commentor than many others, but I will not be using this blog until the IQ level is raised a bit and the shit has been flushed. I have been out of high school far too long to fit back in here. (Posted by Yanni, 15 July at 9:25:08)

Posted by Yanni, 14 july 4:03:36 pm – I smell shit ... that must be Munroe. Fuck off you disgusting turd.

I thought that you were a perfect fit Yanni

Posted by: andré | 2007-07-16 5:53:47 AM


Does any one here understand what this french speaking guy's comments here means?

http://youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=l_D-kknwZTk

Posted by: Winston | 2007-07-16 7:09:41 AM


He's happy to see a patriotes' flag.
He's also telling you that he will speak in French on youtube even if you don't like it. He says that his "country" is "Quebec"...meaning you're not gonna tell him to speak english regarding his comments on that clip that took place in Montreal. That's all.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-07-16 10:12:29 AM


I tried to feel badly about Yanni leaving, but I couldn't. I went back and reviewed several of the past threads and what I found was nothing more then foul mouthed invective. I won't miss it.

For those who are continually squirming about this not being a forum for self-congratulatory right wing thought, my response is you are truly missing an opportunity. Virtually every position I take is pretty mainstream Canadian. These are the views you need to test your ideology against.

I will continue to try to stay on point or close to it and that will be simpler with Yanni gone, but you still have posters who are regularly predisposed to tangents and asking inane questions. Some demand response.

You don't like truewest posting for the same political reasons. You foam at the mouth about St. A., but I sense you are missing his droll humour.

If you want this to be a rigourous and useful give and take, read the thoughtful postings of Brent and CFC who actually seem to enjoy defending their positions (usually quite successfully). If you want to "clean up" the discussion, tell OBC to stay on point, tell Patels no more hate literature, tell H2 to read what is said before trying on a loaded or already answered question and as the adminstrators to request Winston be less narrow in his choice of topics.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-16 10:38:56 AM


Thnx Marc

Posted by: Winston | 2007-07-16 11:13:41 AM


U welcome

Posted by: Marc | 2007-07-16 11:16:24 AM


Relevant posts at "The Torch":

"MND O'Connor interview on CFRA, Ottawa/CDS interview"
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/07/mnd-oconnor-inteview-on-cfra-ottawa.html

'Afstan: Scott Taylor blows it on the "exit strategy", training ANA'
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/07/afstan-scott-taylor-blows-it-on-exit.html

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2007-07-16 1:27:49 PM


Munroe
"If you want to "clean up" the discussion, tell OBC to stay on point, tell Patels no more hate literature, tell H2 to read what is said before trying on a loaded or already answered question and as the adminstrators to request Winston be less narrow in his choice of topics."

Again, if you don't like the choice of topics or the combattants, you know how to fix that. Noone is under any obligation to please your majesty.

As for me, this weekend you were posting about how I was "flexible" concerning the discussion on capital punishment. Now, I can't read.

Praise when someone listens to you and then devalue when they don't. I'm losing count how many times you've exhibited this pattern of aggression.

Attempts to dominate as much of any discussion as possible. Check!

Praise and devalue individuals depending on their stance of discussion Check!

Attempts to direct control of topics of independently own and operated blog site. Check!

I could go on. Personality disorder? Maybe, it's not looking too good though for you. Keep posting and perhaps it can be narrowed down.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-16 4:31:23 PM


Water dog:

Sound like sound observations about the old hippy to me.

Sadly, muroe appears to have taken the adage ‘better living through chemisty' all to literally and seems to have difficulty distinguishing between his drug-induced delusions and reality.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-07-16 5:29:11 PM


On one topic, you have shown some interest and opinion. As I recall I congratulated you. Yanni made some recommendations (in rather vulgar manner) and I added my piece. As always, what is your point.

SYf, I see tweedledee to H2s' tweedledum is back.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-16 6:11:06 PM


Munroe,
The point is you repetitively ask "what is your point". Please expand uppon the narrow choice of your responses.

"On one topic, you have shown some interest and opinion. "

Sorry. Fresh attempts at redemption are insufficient.

What is your point anyway?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-16 6:33:31 PM


"...two little fucks."

Hmm, best description I have read to date.

Which is why you cannot address to "...two little fucks." but at "...two little fucks."

Posted by: Lady | 2007-07-16 6:57:13 PM


heheheh Lady. right.

Hi all, I'm back from the Yukon. catching up on the threads here.

While I heartily disagree with several posters here, --

--I don't dislike arguing a point with them as long as it has a real point, (sometimes does, often doesn't)

--and doesn't devolve into a name calling contest! Can we spell "B-O-R-I-N-G"!

Loved obc's recent attempts to get SAP to stay on topic, and I can't remember who was busy with an ad hominem, -- you called it right obc.

It is incredibly racist and stupid to imply Winston can't commend our troops because he is "gasp" an Iranian immigrant.

Sheesh, next thing you know they will be after me for being female, Christian, libertarian, a retired RN, a homeschooling mother of two young adults with university degrees, and therefore unable to comment on points of law, government, history and the like.

And as for boring threads, there are only a few, and Winston's aren't among them. Sorry guys, good try, but the rest of us like to shoot the breeze with Winston. Don't always agree, but always love to talk with him.

Yanni WHEN you argue the points ----

(always presuming there is one emanating from those who fling the turd words around with gay abandon)--

you do fine,

--but while tossing turds back (at those you feel are full of the stuff already), may feel fun at the time, it is a colossal bore to read thru.

All in all good to be back, and I agree with Winston, our troops are a brave bunch who are trying to do something about a problem that is starting to look worse and worse.

So far I have yet to see how pulling out of Afghanistan is going to help things here or there.

Certainly leaving Osama Bin Laden unchallenged on his own home turf would simply have allowed bigger bolder attacks than 911.

It's sort of an invisible problem, because it didn't happen.

I think that if the UN, Canada and the others hadn't have gone in there with the USA, we would all be neck deep in far worse attacks than 911.

Because it didn't happen-- due to the Afghanistan invasion-- several other things have happened instead.

We have had some inevitable casualties in the troops and in civilians. That is why it's called war.

We have seen some major advances for the oppressed women of Afghanistan, some of whom are finally being allowed to go to school again, own and run their own small businesses, and allow their daughters to learn to read and write.

It's a small but necessary step.

And there is beginning to be some attempts at rule of law. Property rights and human rights may yet follow, along with civil and religious liberty (ok, ok I'm a hopeless romantic optimist)

Along the way maybe we will make a difference in their lives.

It's certainly a lot better than being under the Taliban.

Under the "friendly fire" of the Taliban life was hell for women, children and anyone who didn't automatically agree with the rabid variety of mullah. Who stole freely from the populace, raping women, murdering people, and putting women and children in front of them as human sheilds.

Now at least the locals have a running chance at change.

If they don't grab at it by the time we are forced to leave (and yes that is coming as a political "solution" both here and in the USA) then too bad, so sad.

Meanwhile, the civilian casualty numbers are sad, but a hell of a lot better under the current occupation than they would be under the kindly Taliban.

and that's my thoughts on the matter.

Posted by: canadian freedoms fan | 2007-07-16 8:36:10 PM



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