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Wednesday, June 06, 2007

NDP misery mongers

Leave it to the federal NDP to score some cheap political points off other people's misery. The evidence is in the just-issued news release (not yet posted on the party's web site, but which I've pasted below), in which the party demands that the Conservative government reassure any potential flood victims that they will receive federal assistance.

In other words, the NDP is yapping about the Tories' potential lack of action in reaction to something that hasn't happened yet. Give me a break.

Here's the text of the NDP release:

Federal assistance may be needed to provide relief to affected communities

OTTAWA – As artifacts are being moved out of the K’san Historical Village and Museum to safer ground and hundreds of families in the Fraser Valley are on flood notice; two NDP MPs from British Columbia will call on Ottawa to reassure residents that federal aid will be swift and make a full commitment to proper flood planning.

“The federal government has dragged its feet before committing to providing relief during previous floods,” said Black. “We are reminding the Conservatives not to repeat past mistakes.”

Cullen echoed Black’s concern and said federal assistance may be needed to help flood-threatened communities.

“Residents can only pile so many sandbags,” said Cullen. “The federal government should be on high alert to see if disaster relief is necessary.”

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Yes .. the NDP always ready to start the enfeeblement process ASAP.

Po peeples, dey cant take care dem selfs no how.

The Jihad will be successful. Our Left guarantees it.

Posted by: Yanni | 2007-06-06 11:56:39 AM

To be fair ...

There was a story out of Prince George on Tuesday that its river (Thompson?) is starting to rise to flood levels due to unusually high amounts of snowpack, combined with high temperatures and recent rains.

That water flow is expected to hit the Fraser in four days time (Tue, Wed, Thurs, Fri) or by this weekend.

So, watch for waters in the Fraser to reach flood levels.

Whether Chicken Little can save us from this natural force of nature is a different question, but if I know about this, I'm sure most of the people in the possibly affected areas would also know about this.

So, if they're not prepared, what can the fed do for them?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-06 12:08:02 PM

Just looked at a map.

Actually, the cresting Fraser runs south from Prince George, so ... get ready, folks.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-06 12:13:40 PM

Mulrooney took years to pay after we had forest fires in manitoba, and only did so when it was time to pay for the same in quebec.

Chretien took time to pay after the flood and did so after the ice storm hit QUEBEC.

Did Martin ever pay the money promised for the tsunami? Maybe if quebec has a tsunami he will,... no wait it's too late.

Yeah lets worry about what might happen.

Posted by: Dinosaur | 2007-06-06 12:32:07 PM

I guess O'Neill's cooments were written a week or so ago. Flooding was already occurring YESTERDAY in Terrace and Smithers(Cullen's riding)with the Skeena no where near cresting. In Terrace as of last night, there was the declaration of a state of emergency and some small communities had been evacuated.

The Fraser has caused some damage in the north and is rising steadily with real and significant concern in more populated areas that there will be flooding within 3 or 4 days (if not before).

Where have the Feds been in assisting in mitigating these problems? Nowhere, inclduing NOT doing certain work carried out in the past (like dredging).

Snowpacks have been known to be far above normal for months. The Harper response on this has been as bad as the response on the devastation of the pine beetle (where money was promised, but never arrived).

...and you wonder why Tory support in B.C. is dropping like a stone.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-06 12:45:33 PM


What would be your solution?

Should the federal gov't pass a law against excess snowfall?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-06 12:57:33 PM

The solution would be that the Tories pay attention to what's happening in B.C. Preparation for what can be predicted is not unknown. Its called competence.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-06 1:06:45 PM

munroe -

I suggest you perhaps take a look at the BC PEP website:

Responsibility for preparedness starts at the local level then up through the provincial gov't. Whacky Jack ought to keep his nose out of local and provincial responsibilities until the problem reaches the scope/level where federal assistance is needed.

Posted by: VanIslander | 2007-06-06 1:14:39 PM

Van islander, I assume you know that your answer is in part misdirection (see the dredging issue and the role of DFO). Matters not anyways - the Tories are not good on their promises (see the failure to forward the pine beetle monies).

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-06 1:21:53 PM

The Dippers are the If-if-IF people of today, IF something happens to happen tomorrow!

I say, what IF the Dippers go stuff it!

If that would only happen--that would BE the day!

As you may note, my current state of sarcasm is indeed deeper than ever before--albeit there is some truth in hoping they would go away...if that would ever happen..oh no, stuck in a mind loup...this is indeed what happens whenever you consider the Dippers! They are a mental illness looking for new hosts. SARS has nothing on the Dippers!


Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-06 1:55:33 PM

I suppose a larger question might be: Why should society (read: taxpayers) pony up the money to indemnify people who have chosen to live on a flood plain? If folks can't get insurance, might that not tell them they are living in a dangerous place?

Posted by: Imethisguy | 2007-06-06 2:33:59 PM

munroe has a point concerning DFO, as most attempts to deal with flooding (creeks, streams and rivers) have been prevented by DFO. However let us not forget that it was the Liberals who gave DFO a lot of power without requiring the use of intelligence and common sense.

Just one example being that a farmer can dig a drainage ditch on his farm and then find he is not allowed to keep it clean because DFO has declared it fish habitat.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-06-06 2:41:37 PM

For Imethisguy,

I wanted to do some double checking before responding. This flood is not just affecting people who blindly constucted homes in known dangerous at-risk areas. There are some older communities deeloped before municipal or regional planning took place, but for the most part, the residents now evacuated or watch alert live in homes (or run businesses in buildings) that required permits and are covered by the official community plans. This is not a case of a few who did not practice "due diligence".

As for insurance, I wonder how many people generally carry a flood policy (if its available). Ask the Katrina folks who are running lawsuits to determine whether the damage was by wind (covered) or by flood (not covered).

My in-laws are "on watch" and they have never had a problem in the house they built in 1955.

The simple answer is that "yes" there is a general social responsibility to these citizens (who are also taxpayers - some may even have voted Tory).

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-06 3:58:39 PM

I await a photo-op of Jack the Dipper heaving sandbags, just in case.......

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-06 5:06:05 PM

You can bet it would be Jack. At least his phot-op wouldn't include the price of taking an entourage to Afghanistan.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-06 5:23:29 PM

Well, happen to know the men and women serving this Country in Afghanistan are extremely touched to have their Prime minister and other MP's visit them.
It's in part a bolster to their moral to buttress the Lefties in our Parliament who are questioning the mission. They get up to date news and are well aware of the goings on.

They did not appreciate being accused of enabling torture by handing over Taliban captives to Afghan authorities either.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-06 5:41:26 PM

It would be nice if the NDP accomplished one useful thing before they fade into obscurity - but they're probably far too cowardly, they only want to make the easy squawking noises against the government.

If they had the guts and cared about poor people and children for example - they don't so it is irrelevant - they could take on the dairy monopoly.

The dairy monopoly forces us to pay more than twice as much for milk products than we should - so poor people feed their kids Coke instead of milk, that's a fact. But the NDP is silent, because they really don't give a crap about people other than themselves.

It sure is nice and easy to whine about the government's flood response when there's no flood though, that's useful....

Posted by: philanthropist | 2007-06-07 1:31:54 AM


There are floods ... in Terrace, Prince George and coming soon, to the lower mainland.

But while emergency response is mainly a local, then provincial responsibility, Jack the Dipper apparently believes all problems can be solved by the central committee.

Trudeau always was a commie/NDP type and tried his best to centralize power in Ottawa. Now, we have ‘I don't know Jack' encroaching on provincial jurisdiction.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-07 8:02:52 AM

Why must Conservative supporters always resort to name calling rather than producing anything constructive??? It is embarassing enough to have these guys touring the world, acting as if they somehow represent the majority of this country.

Posted by: Reality | 2007-06-07 11:01:00 AM


As opposed to representing parties which got even less votes?

If you're for minority right, this minority government has a right to govern Canada.

Any questions?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-07 11:11:35 AM

The issue was whether the NDP MPs acted properly when they called on the minority party, currently acting as the government, to take notice and act swiftly with a happening disaster in B.C. The original author had certain facts incorrect, but generally dismissed the MPs for taking a stand for their constituents.

This minority government has a poor record of acting on real problems (witness, the pine beetle).

After several wanders away from the actual issue, I have yet to see one posting that actually addresses why MPs should not speak up for their constituents.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 12:41:05 PM

There is no reason for MPs to not speak up for their constituents, however it might make more sense for the MPs to actually inform their constituents about the programs and processes that exist TODAY.
Admittedly, some of those programs have taken a while to pay out (the feds finally got around to making the final payment to the AB provincial government this past January(http://www.ccnmatthews.com/news/releases/show.jsp?action=showRelease&actionFor=629306&searchText=false&showText=all)for the flooding which occurred in 2002. Back in 2005, when Alberta had significant flooding, there was nary a peep from the NDP, however Anne MacLellan was more than happy to announce that the feds would be helping out with flood assistance as soon as the province asked for help (http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/nr/2005/nr20050624-en.asp). That is as it should be. Provinces have the first responder role in this sort of event.
I'm not sure what your point on the pine beetle is, munroe. The first reference to Federal participation that I can find is a 2005 announcement of $100 million in funding, which the BC government felt was less than required. Since then, annother $200 million has been added by the Feds in January of this year. So, to summarize the Pine Beetle issue, according to the BC Gov't, the infestation began on 1993, the majority government feds finally acted on the issue in 2005 with a $100 million contribution, and the current minority government added an additional $200 million (a 200% increase over the original commitment) about 18 months later. And this response by the minority government is held up as an example of a poor record? What is the previous 12 year foot-dragging on this issue supposed to be?

Posted by: Another Sean | 2007-06-07 1:35:55 PM

To Another Sean

As for the Alberta flooding issue, the real question is where were the Alberta MPs, other then McLelland? As I recall all but one were Tories (or whatever form they took at the time).

On the pine beetle, the monies you identified were promised, but the sums were not paid. In fact, most of the initial $100 million waslost in Harper's recent cutbacks.

The point remains - where is the problem with MPs speaking out for the interests of their constituents? Maybe this old Reform principle has also bitten the dust now that the Harperites are the largest minority party, eh?

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 1:49:24 PM

If one builds on a flood plain one will eventually get flooded out, a fact of nature. The socialist horde poses a threat to the old Dominion of Canada
-they the Bloc and Dion's crowd are foaming at the mouth today in the House of Commeners over the Offshre Accords and Equalization, most comments are totally partisan and quite pointless, former Conservative Casey looks like he will make a deal with Citoyen Dion who was desperately trying to make is garbled English "understood" this is the fellow who has a plan "to save Alberta" But it apperas to us in modest Moncton that if Nova Scotia is forced into an electio, the Socialist Horde will form the next government, as the old refrain says" Farewell To Nova Scotia" irresponsible Media are busy undermining the Harper Conservative Government, and creating a phoney issue - the fact is that "Offshore Resources" on the entire East Coast are in serious decline - Irving'(Exxon) buy their product from Venezuela and Saudi - Macleod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-07 2:00:36 PM

Well Casey is standing in the HOC today after QP and basically calling Harper a liar. If he says what Harper stated today re the accord, or maybe better called Discord, is not true, it follows he must be lying.

What kind of people make up the Atlantic provinces today anyway?

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-07 2:20:13 PM

According to the Hansard, they were speaking of the issue in parliament. Of course, Hansard records everything, however the MSM only reports whatthey feel we need to hear about. And that seems to be through a somewhat left-tilted lens...
What is wrong about MPs speaking out in the interests of their constituents? Nothing.
What is wrong with MPs using possible tragedy as an excuse to indulge in bashing their opponents for something that the PREVIOUS government was guilty of? Everything.

Posted by: Another Sean | 2007-06-07 2:38:05 PM

I'm missing your point. What does a previous government have to do with the current flooding disaster? What doesit have to do with pine beetle monies promised and then withdrawn.

I think it is high time that conservatives took responsibility for the inction of the current government (it is no longer "new", no matter what the spin.

In the meantime, I'll continue to watch with trepidation as my friends in the northwest are faced with significant problems from the flooding. Being cut-off from the rest of the country, as we see in Terrace and Kitimat, is no joke. I don't hear any plans by the feds to assist with the delivery of the basics or to help in the task of rebuilding essential links. Before, you reply - it is not solely in the Province's jurisdiction - the railway is closed down as well and there is a significant number of native people and lands behind the flooded highways.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 3:16:24 PM

The river is overflowing!

The sky is falling!

The end is nigh!

Will earth ever be the same when the waters recede?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-07 3:37:48 PM

munroe said: "I'm missing your point. What does a previous government have to do with the current flooding disaster? "
Answer: Nothing. SO why does the NDP ascribe the previous government's lack of action in previous crises to the current government?
And what sort of actions are YOU desiring?

Posted by: Another Sean | 2007-06-07 3:38:21 PM

Set you free, I take it from previous remarks on this blog, you're from Alberta. Guess we don't need to worry about you experiencing anything like this. It looks like your southern rivers will soon be creeks thanks to climate change and the tar sands development will eat the Athabaska.

Another Sean, right now an assessment would be good as to what assistance will be available and when it will come. Haven't seen a Conservative even paying attention, much less visting in the region. If the government isn't going to notice then EXPECT the local MP to raise his voice loudly.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 3:46:14 PM

"Mayor Dave Bronconnier is looking for a deluge of provincial dollars after chaos washed over Calgary in the form of pounding rain and flash floods."

From today's Calgary Sun.

Right. Floods never occur in Alberta,

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-07 3:49:48 PM


I hope you live down here, and that you have some real concern for the flooding that the Valley is facing and that all your comments aren't Dipperspeak.

As for the Government they (provincial and federal) have spent in excess of 33 million dollars in upgrading the dikes etc prior to this flooding, and that offers to dreg the Fraser were made but turned down due to their "environmental impact". One of the local (mission) first nations bands offered to dreg the river for FREE for the gravel rights...

Posted by: Daniel | 2007-06-07 3:57:45 PM

Perhaps, you should consider the source waters of the Bow and the Oldman, obc. I guess glacial run-off is as expected, now and into the future?

Don't know much about the current mindset of easterners, ebt, but I don't recall any prairie farmers who were ungrateful for the hay.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 4:04:40 PM

Daniel, I'm aware of the Province's efforts and $$ in the dyking effort. When you say "down here" I take it you mean the lower mainland where the recent efforts were concentrated. There was some $$ for the North, but again it was shafted.

I'm also some of the proposed dredging was killed for environmental reasons, but there was other work that could have been done if it had been funded.

The only reason this topic was started was because it was two NDP MPs that raised the issue. Had it been Conservatives, not a word would have been spoken by the original author.

There is a very real issue here for the Harperites now and in the northwest. That should not be a partisan question, but if it is then the whole matter reflects badly on the current governing party.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 4:14:28 PM

Globull Warming is the biggest hoax perpetrated on Mankind - bar none.

Just ordered 250 bumper stickers (inspired by Brent Weston:


Posted by: obc | 2007-06-07 4:15:10 PM

I guess then you have no concern about the retreat of the glacial fields in the Rockies. Whether a sign of global warming as caused by humankind or otherwise, it seems to be an uncontroverted fact (or is someone just doctoring the pictures on the computer?).

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 4:29:34 PM

If it's not caused by human warming, that just proves it's all part of nature's cycle. In the early 18th century, icebergs floated along the Thames, the canals of Venice froze, Louis XIV switched his palace guards duty time from 30 minutes to 15 because they froze to death in a half hour, cows froze in pastures, the grape vines of France died, and within a decade things got back to normal - without SUVs, factories, and farting buffalo contributing to globull warming.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-07 4:35:20 PM

"Whether a sign of global warming as caused by humankind or otherwise, it seems to be an uncontroverted fact"

Who cares? Would you like to see Canada look like it did in the ice age of 10,000 years ago? Why isn't that time more natural than that of the 1970's?

That's the way of the world - warmer for a while, then cooler again.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-07 5:01:56 PM

I love how some on the Right tend away from any issue that causes difficuly, obc. The question was the watercourses in southern Alberta and their sources. Whether they are at risk due to buffalo farts or otherwise, they appear to be disappearing. If so, Alberta may have water problems that are the opposite of those plaguing parts of B.C. today.

Following the previous logic of some participants, don't bother the Feds if this happens.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-07 5:08:56 PM

"Alberta may have water problems that are the opposite of those plaguing parts of B.C. today."

. . . and then again, they may not.

Like all scare tactics of the Left, "world may end by 2077

. . . and then again, it may not.

Coffee may cause cancer

. . . and then again, it may not.

Smoking may cause a shorter life span

. . . and then again, it may not. (See Winston Churchill who smoked & drank like a fish)

Fetuses may actually be human beings - ooops!

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-07 5:14:14 PM

Globull Warming! Wot is that? Jeez it has been 6 C
here in Modest Moncton for several days -I noticed that the "outdoor cats" who drop into eat but hang out in the garage still have their winter coats
-Cats are a lot smarter than the Greens. Looks like the Socialist Horde could win an election in Nova Scotia -Premier Rodney the Fiddler somewhat pissed with that fool Casey -Elizabeth May bitchy today about money and a tired bod. What does she expect hanging out with Citoyen Dion. Cold in Moncton

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-08 10:11:13 AM

munroe you are full of crap. I live in the Fraser Valley which is affected and really have no patience with leftist propaganda trying to score points on the backs of us. Your NDP has proven over and over that they care nothing about the "little guy" as they claim.

Things, as unpleasant as they are, like flooding are facts of nature and have existed as long as the earth. No, they are not the result of your science fiction global warming. All levels of present government have done and are doing an excellent job in dealing with it. We do not need leftist nutters trying to cash in on our situation.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-06-08 10:42:50 AM


As the title of this post suggests, it is misery we steer clear of.

One of the ways to be miserable is to cast youself as a victim and keep looking for evidence that somebody else is oppressing you.

As if flooding never happened before and won't happen in the future.

Your naivete is showing.

Us grizzled veterans have seen much and we try not to sweat the small stuff.

Seriously, a psychiatrist may help snap you out of your miserable state of mind where the end of the world is just around the corner.

Your choice. Or is the fact that you can choose between happiness and misery too hard to grasp?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-08 10:47:27 AM

It's gotta be a real bugger for Lizzie May to be short on cash and troubled with a sore back.
She better check out how her friend Dion is coping, he's not too flush either.
Wonder if he has back trouble too?

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-08 2:10:59 PM

Its been interesting and telling. If I can summarize what I've learned:

a. From obc, those with left wing tendencies think ahead, while the right does not.

b. From Alain, the right's chief concern is for itself, the "I'm alright Jack" syndrome - Alain lives in the Fraser Valley so to hell with the people in Prince George or along the Buckley and Skeena.

c. From set you free, never spoil a good debate with interchange on facts and ideas if you can simply insult your opponent.

d. From ebt and Lizj, when in doubt, change the subject.

Thanks you to the others who had interesting and useful points to make, whether you sympathised with the need for the Feds to assist those flooded out of their homes and businesses or not.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-08 4:23:17 PM

Good news. The media in Terrace (which is completely isolated by flooded transportation routes (the airport is open) has announced that Stock Day and his provincial counterpart will tour the area tomorrow. The announcement was made AFTER the NDP MP and MLA arrived.

Too late to mitigate the damage, but let's see if assistance is promised (and delivered).

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-08 5:59:59 PM

I hope for all the best for you and your family at this time, munroe.

Posted by: Brent Weston | 2007-06-08 6:18:50 PM

Thank you

Posted by: munroe | 2007-06-08 6:22:36 PM


The truth is that once you've gone through this once, it won't seem quite as end-of-the-world the next time around.

Floods have been happening for millions of years.

So have anxiety attacks, where the anxious person blames everybody else for their inability to control their anxiety.

That's why I suggested a psychiatrist. He/she may give you ideas on how to better cope with these things.

Personal attack? For noticing?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-08 10:22:58 PM

I think it is a good political move by the NDP. They are reminding people how ultra right-wing parties respond in time of disaster (remember Katrina?). This would be an opportunity for Stephen W. Harper to redeem himself for letting so many Canadian citizens down when he balked at getting them out of Lebanon.

Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2007-06-09 12:04:01 PM

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