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Monday, June 04, 2007

Khadr confusion

I imagine there'll be plenty more explanation in the hours and days to come, but I find the collapse of the U.S. government's case against Canadian terrorist/al Qaeda fighter Omar Khadr to be quite surprising and a bit perplexing.

According to today's news, the charges against Khadr were dismissed because the government had failed to designate him as an "unlawful enemy combatant." Instead, his designation was simply that of an "enemy combatant."

What's perplexing to me is the fact that the government's "Notification of the Swearing of Charges" and "Charge Sheet," dated Feb. 2 of this year and signed by chief prosecutor Jeff Groharing, contains a passage, under the title "Jurisdiction," which reads:

2. Jurisdiction for this Military Commission is based on Title 10 U.S.C. Sec 948d, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, hereinafter "MCA;" its implementaton by the Manual for Military Commissions (MMC), Chapter II, Rules for Military Commissions (RMC) 202 and 203; and the final determination of the Combatant Status Review Tribunal of September 7, 2004, that Khadr is an unlawful enemy combatant as a member of, or affiliated with, al Qaeda [emphasis added].

Judging from the reports I've read today, it seems now that the Sept. 2004 tribunal did not, in fact, designate Khadr as an "unlawful" enemy combatant. One wonders how Groharing could have screwed this up so badly.

Anyway, while Khadr's legal status is now in question, what's not in doubt is that Khadr is still a member of Canada's most infamous family and that he did, in fact, join up with al Qaeda to target U.S., Afghan and Canadian forces (yes, Canadian forces too) in Afghanistan, and then threw a grenade that killed a member of the U.S. military. He may not be a "war criminal" and nor may he be a "murderer," but he is still a killer. There's plenty more to read about all this in the next issue of the Western Standard, which features the cover story, "Al Qaeda's Canadian Kid."

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I was astounded, and the legal and professional
qualifications of the "Judge" should be examined
under a microscope. The left wing Canadian Media
are already cheering the decision. I do not know anything about the Uniform Code of Military Justice
of the United States Military, nor do our friends here who are Canadian Military Legal Officers as well as practising attorneys at Law. But I did send a note to one of our US partners and pointed out a lot of Canadians are going to be mightly pissed off about this. I will conclude however by saying that this nasty little fellow should never be permitted to return to Canada
-he and the entire family appear to be a menaace
to Canadian peace and tranquility - MacLEOD

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-04 1:17:16 PM

Shoot them all at dawn at Caledonia - and let a ten-year inquiry be established to determine who the guilty ones really are. By then, the whole family will be deservedly forgotten as they rot in their graves.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-04 1:20:50 PM

I hope this kid becomes a homicide bomber outside the US Consulate in Toronto. His death, and many of his victims, would prompt US investors to leave Ontario, creating great unemployment and dislocation. It's the least Ontario deserves for their racism, support for terrorism, and spoiled rotten brat status.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-06-04 1:42:00 PM

When Liebrals had the reigns, al qaeda was just another innocent little victim--and them there Liebrals invited them in! Now, we have a little al qaedan, and wonder where they heck they came from?

I am so full of sarcasm today, I have to walk away from this site!


Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-04 2:02:02 PM

It is all typical American bs. The whole Guantanamo thing has become a millstone hanging around their neck so they have decided to knock off the remaining prosecutions in the form they had set out in the good old days when they were going to hang everybody who would be too stunned by "interrogation techniques" to make a speech. Now, mainly due to the remarkable way this Sheik Kalid, the guy who is claimed to have set up 9/11, played them for total suckers a while back they are not going to risk that again. What they will not risk is for one of these guys, the real terrorists if they have any, to get a chance to run the same number on them: confess to everything since the first day of the world and still end up denouncing them as assorted brands of Infidel. Everything is admitted, nothing is true.
So they are looking for another way to do it to these guys , and that probably means they will not let up on this kid. But the big execution scene is definitely on hold. The Americans are really such murderous and cowardly thugs, they all seem to be like the Soprano series. Maybe it is just the ones we hear of.

Posted by: garhane | 2007-06-04 2:23:57 PM

If the Leftists get their way the baby Khadr will be returned to Canada to coddle through our Charter of Rights.

The whole damned family should be shipped off to where they originated from. Their citizenships should be revoked pronto. It's a no brainer, they are all a danger to our Country and cannot be trusted, including the burka clad old lady of the bunch. She has openly stated she would be proud to have her sons die as martyrs suicide bombing.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-04 2:28:08 PM

garhane - you ignorant slut. Go take your anti-American pablum and eat it in front of the CBC news broadcast tonight. And top it off with a latte as you slip off your Birkenstock shoes and light up your daily dose of weed.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-04 3:05:17 PM

Any chance of some kind of government pay off from Canada? I bet it is only a matter of time before he sues someone expecting another jackpot.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-06-04 4:08:51 PM

It was just announced that the US Government is appealing this dumb decision, so it's not a fait accompli at this point. Hopefully, the appeals court will demonstrate better sense.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-04 4:33:03 PM

If it weren't for the US, Nincompoops like "garhane" wouldn't be posting such tripe, he'd be a goose-stepping comrade in a no choice army.

The flagrant bravery of the hug-a-thuggers knows no bounds.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-04 5:01:10 PM

"France gets tough on illegal immigration, setting quotas for arrests, expulsions"


If only Canada would institute such policies!

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-04 5:50:51 PM

I didn't recognize the name of the lawyer who has recently asked for standing as regards Khadr but how far behind all of this can be Attaran, CAIR-Can or both. Who exactly is paying what for all of these lawyers that he seems malcontent with.

The older brother was supposed to have made a half million for some kind of a documentary but somehow I have to think that to many, if not all, of this clan have been and still is milking the social network financially. It will probably only get worse if Canada allows this kid back into Canada. If he is allowed back in, it will be another statement of just how bankrupt our legal/immigration/politically correct system really is.

The precedence of the Arar settlement is going to be with us forever and it bodes nothing but negative for Canada. The background noise is that of a cash register starting to ring up the millions.

33 Million people and we are self-destructing our social/legal fabric for the sake of a small number of people who would just as soon castigate Canada and all we are about - basically founded initially on the premeditated plan of pandering for votes.

If any gov't had the guts to take on this kind of thing directly, surely there are enough voters in ON and the ROC and perhaps even QC, that would be much more likely to move the Cons into majority territory. Better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all.

Harper is well-liked but has showed that he is all about power at any cost and has pandered far to much to have any credibility in convincing people the party warrants a majority.

I simply don't buy into this "patience/cut slack and we will have a majority" line of thinking. What is starting to become clear is that there are whole lot more Red Tories in Canada than I am featuring. As the large cities gain through population from off-shore, it is only going to increase.

The Elbow riding in AB will be voting very soon in a by-election and the results are going to be telling. This is Ralpie's old riding and there is more than a good chance that it may swing Liberal - mainly with the support of Red Tories that were marginalized after the Leadership Race. Provincially the Cons have dropped about 7-8 points while the Liberals have gained about the same. The Alliance support has apparently gone from 2% to about 7%.

"Cutting slack" has only served to perpetuate the same underlying factors that have historically existed. It is exactly the same tack that has always been used by ON/QC politicians to maintain control - regardless of party. Far to many in the West simply are following this "cut slack" doctrine to the point where almost anything done by the Cons is tolerated - regardless of what it is. Easterners can tow this line very easily. Basically it is all they have - it is either this or back to the Liberals.

The West does have some options but the windows are closing rather quickly.

Posted by: calgary clipper | 2007-06-04 6:14:32 PM

Guantanamo prisoners should be transferred to Afghanistan for prosecution since that is where they committed crimes against humanity. The Afghan justice system would need time to process all 380 cases of course, but that would be the best solution.

Posted by: philanthropist | 2007-06-04 7:29:53 PM

I have no problem with that, knowing they execute their guilty rather quickly. No 20 years of appeals.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-04 7:53:56 PM

They are of course prisoners in the custody of the United States Army. But transfer to Afghanistan is
the same conclusion I came to, to the custody of the Afghan Government.Red Star is already editorializing
it's aupport for this "Canadian" Chretien is responsible for the Khadr debacle as defined by Greg Weston in the Ottawa Sun today.Muslims continue to have a strong hold on the Liberal Party of Canada
where another Nomination Meeting was hi-jacked last night by a part time Muslim Professor at the now notorious University of Ottawa, a haven for rag heads - Macleod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-05 5:47:57 AM

A Muslim Professor "winning" the nod in Ottawa riding is evidence of the problem of allowing large concentrations of immigrants in areas, who know little of our Country or way of life,infiltrating our governments. Why they wish to is the question we should be asking.
It's up to the people in those ridings to jump over their politics and be sure they do not get elected.

We have enough problems with Liberals for decades catering to immigrants for votes. It has nothing to do with what's good for Canada and everything to do with political power.

The Khadr gang have been coddled in Canada for years. Chretien went over to visit the sire of the tribe when he was in hospital in Pakistan and pleaded for his release to Canada. He was freed and ultimately shot by Pakistan police

His burka clad old lady and daughter are living at our expense, incognito in Toronto. Now Ignatieff of the Dion-Iggnatieff dog and pony show in the HOC is calling for his return "home" to be coddled.

Let us weep.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-05 7:51:09 AM

Absolutely right Liz - all of Canada is paying and will contiune to pay a hard price for Liberal and NDP politics. For much pertinent information on the Khdar dismissal by US Army Judges - go to the site:
"Military.Com" who have used the decision as their
lead and banner line today.There is comment by Lorrie Goldstein in the Toronto Sun today, but he obviously has not done any journalistic homework
-sloppy journalism is the hallmark of Toronto and Ottawa Media -particularly Bell Media Globe and CTV
-the Standard is the real voice of Conservative Canada. Macleod

Posted by: jack macLeod | 2007-06-05 8:07:20 AM


'He may not be a "war criminal" and nor may he be a "murderer," but he is still a killer.'

What he was accused of -- targeting and killing a non-combatant medical corpsman -- is definitely a war crime. So if he's the one what did it, we have only to do the math. And in a gentler age, war criminals got death.

Posted by: Jim Whyte | 2007-06-05 9:09:33 AM

Dealing with the Khadrs poses a significant problem for the Harper Conservative Government who are served by an inherited bureaucracy whose loyality to the new Government is suspect, and whose senior ranks are all, without exception Liberal poltical apointees -this is a fact in Foreign Affairs, Public Works and other Departments and agencies. The family in my opinion is Subversive and should be deported
to Pakistan and their resources in Canada seized.
It is early in the situation to guess how the US
DOD and Army will deal with this killer from this point on. But sending him to Afghanistan to face Afghan Justice may be the most appropriate choice
-I don't think the Afghans will be too gentle with the "Canadian" who went to their country to kill and maim their citizens and NATO troops. Harper will have to bite the bullet this time.Macleod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-05 9:42:53 AM

Send Khadr to Afghanistan to face justice would never be allowed by the Loopy left, comprised Liberals and Dippers. Iggy wants the lad back in the arms of his country Canada and soon. His Mommy is ecstatic no doubt.

Of course we know Iggy's motive is entirely political and a way to cause the Harper Conservatives some grief and severe problems with the electorate. We have to assume the majority do not want any of the Khadrs in the country.

If ever there were grounds for revoking citizenship, they fill the bill.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-06-05 10:36:51 AM

He could be reclassified as an "unlawful enemy combattant" IF no legitimate military claims he belongs to them.

Just because he has not been classified as "unlawful" does not mean he cannot be classified as that.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-05 10:40:49 AM

He is currently in the U.S. Do they have an extraddition treaty with Afghanistan? If so, off he goes to face Afghani charges. Surely they wouldn't bring him here. If they do, he'll be running for the NDP in the next federal election.

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-06-05 10:49:06 AM

Is it just me or the article you've just post is saying they will offer 4700$ to any ilegal immigrant famillies who wish to leave France ?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 10:55:57 AM

That's correct, Marc. Something we should incorporate in Canada too.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 11:02:57 AM

"If they do, he'll be running for the NDP in the next federal election."

. . . and possibly as their leader in the next one.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 11:07:20 AM

ok-ok obc,
Nah, I was just asking cause last time you told us that this measure was only targeting illegal immigrants from MUSLIMS background.

"33 Million people and we are self-destructing our social/legal fabric for the sake of a small number of people who would just as soon castigate Canada and all we are about - basically founded initially on the premeditated plan of pandering for votes.
If any gov't had the guts to take on this kind of thing directly, surely there are enough voters in ON and the ROC and perhaps even QC, that would be much more likely to move the Cons into majority territory. Better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all."

Well CC, I say you can take the people of Quebec as an exemple concerning those issues and that, regardless of parties affiliation. We are maybe passing for racists in the eyes of the world and sorry for the "bad reputation" for the ROC; but we will never let our culture be destroy or interfer by another ideologie. As English people you should know it. We speak and we reslove those kind of problems within our provincial powers and we don't wait and cry for the Feds to act...

Please don't say that 33 millions people don't give a lame s**t about Canadian culture cause you and I know well that it's not the case in Quebec. Au contraire. No need for a political party for that since culture, in reality, depends on the wlligness of the people to keep it free.

Now that I have said that truth, I let you people free of doing your usual Quebec bashing since there's no chances you take pride in your Quebec cousins action to protect what they've bulit and cherish with their harts.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 11:29:43 AM

"and cherish with their harts"

What you do with your deer is none of my business.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 11:46:38 AM

What they built with their "harts" was in fact by British Hearts -Quebec as we know it was created by
the British Army which conquered the French Troops
(many mercenaries from Alsace) commanded by General Montcalm - the early wealth of Quebec was created by British investment -a fact of history, MacLeod in Moncton named after the British Colonel who deported the Acadians who in fact were refused permission to settle in Quebec by the Quebecers of the period.
But Jeez they came back - Macleod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-05 11:47:17 AM

I know you give all of your allegeance to a Queen that live across the ocean but lemme tell you that what have made the Quebec so "special" isent the british army but the fights against them, and their decendents.
All of what you know from Quebec culture and the reason why it shine across the world comes directly from our willigness of keeping it alive and distinct as a people in from of YOUR decendents.
The british army raping our wifes, burning our houses and keeping us from holding key positions dosent have anything to do with what's make our culture so disctinct. I tought an hold man like you should have come to evidence.

Celà dit' I'm not looking for a fight with you and your argument dosent worth crap anyways but still, We are one hell of a proud people and no religious ideologies will make us change the face of our culture. Not without a vicious fight at least.

Tell me Macloed...What does your province do to assure the continuity of your own province culture...? Thank you.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 11:58:28 AM

New Brunswick don't have a culture Marc, we are too ignorant to have a culture, maybe if the Harper Conservatives form a majority Government we will get a culture - like Ontario, and Prince Edward Island
-cheers from the land of the blissfully ignorant
-but we might get lucky - MacLeod in Moncton the Modest

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-05 1:04:38 PM

If N.B. had received the billions that Quebec has through the threat of separation, it could afford to have a culture, too.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 1:09:49 PM

I see.
Good luck in keeping looking elsewhere for you're own culture, Mr. Macloed. I understand now why you always live in the past and don't do nothing for the future of your own.
The Queen dosent belong here anymore and SH is supposely the PM of every Canadians; wich means he will do nothing else than the previous PM concerning your province.

I guess CC was right about the ROC's not wishing to help itself afterall. Forget about Quebeckistan...it's Brunswickistan now.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 1:14:50 PM

You keep complaining about the Queen, Marc, but you almost had one for Quebec Premier - except that he ended up in 3rd place after the last election.

Well, maybe after the next election you will get your wish after all - but I doubt it. King Mario will rule, and not as a socialist either.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 1:20:13 PM

Good point abc - Irving's would be unhappy if New Brunswick got a "culture" maybe we should focus on a "culture" business plan with "marketing elements"
in fact the New Liberal government under Premier Howdy Doody has embarked on a very ambitious but
pointless plan to make the old Province a "better place" by promoting things like Tourism - what a clever idea - have all them visitors getting screwed at the gas pumps by Mr. Irving and associates - Macleod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-06-05 1:22:54 PM

. . . and the English-speaking tourist - whether from ROC or the US - will love it when they are welcomed in Quebec like Americans are in Paris, with a shrug or with insults for not speaking French.

I got news for Quebec - English is the new lingua franca of the world.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 1:28:26 PM

Mouhahahahahahahahahhahahahaha !!!!
First: Quebec had fight since day one for having this culture and to keep it alive.
Second: we were already fighting for it before any money transferts and looooong before poeple had find oil in Alberta.

Pretty easy and one question for you: What is Alberta culture ? I mean, you're rich, nah ?
The truth is that even since confederation, you never had to fight for your own culture and you are too much use to have one provide for you.

You keep doing that today and that attitude will make Canada as we know it today to be completly different in years to come. That will be YOUR fault, not ours. Celà dit obc, when Canada will become another "state" or an islamist part of the world, you will be welcome in Quebec since you've paid SO much to promote it disctinct culture. Oh right I forgot, would prefer to become an Americain before anything else. (Americain isnt use inna pejorative way here...but simply to show how much being simply a Canadian or even an Albertain is a shame for you. It's too bad really.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 1:28:48 PM

Come to the Calgary Stamped or to the oil patch - once we're independent. Lotsa Alberta culture around - and more will develop once we're maitre chez nous, Marc.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 1:34:55 PM

Hey obc,
Try being a French in Canada or the States. Ever heard the expression "Talk white". Well, I do and much more than you think.

So much effort to make us being the bad people when in reality, you're no better than us. At the end, the only difference between us is to have a culture that we wish to protect but hey, I know you dont drink of that wine anyways so...end of this useless discussion.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 1:36:02 PM

but stop waiting for others to provide it to you and FIGHT FOR IT. Starting right now.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 1:37:29 PM

Oh, and just one more thing: If you only wish for separation of Alberta for money concerns or to be more close to the US...others will comes to Alberta with the same thinking you do.

Meaning: money to everyone - but no culture at all. Alberta will become a big fat whore with no pride, no soul - but a lot of money. Glad for you if that's what you wish for but there's no real pride to get from that. Not in my book at least.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 1:46:15 PM

You have a book???? Have you finished colouring it yet?

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 1:48:41 PM

Yeah yeah,
obc you know oh so much that there's good and truth in what I'm telling you right now but it's to hard for you to face it. I'm not even looking for a fight with you but only to talk about shit that sickenings me about "you". Even CC talks about it. Anyways, good luck to you and your people.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 1:56:34 PM

Marc ~

You need a good kick in the rire!

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 2:00:33 PM

I maybe wish for a Queen but at least, she's home made and dosent look like a drag.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 2:00:53 PM

I maybe wish for a Queen but at least, she's home made and dosent look like a drag.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 2:00:53 PM

I have no intentions to laugh right now and I fully understand why you can't understand that.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 2:02:38 PM

Boisclair IS a DRAG queen, monsieur! LOL!

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 2:02:39 PM


I can speak Russian and my parents taught me the language without one cent from the federal government.

You're welcome to your self-imposed isolation. Teach Quebec's children ONLY French and the will be unable to compete against the world.

Did you know English was the international language of aviation? Of the internet? Of international economic activity?

Where is French important any more? Just curious.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-06-05 2:06:01 PM

It's important in kissing and . . . let me think - I'll get back to you . . . eventually.

Posted by: obc | 2007-06-05 2:08:14 PM

French is important for living in Canada. What about Russian ?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-05 2:08:30 PM

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