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Tuesday, June 19, 2007
"Exemple parfait du pire des racismes"
I have to wonder if La Tribune de Sherbrooke, which published this after ADQ leader Mario Dumont met with Jewish leaders in Montreal ...
... will now express the same outrage as Réjean Tremblay during the ludicrous Doan Affair [awful translation mine]:
Perfect example of the worst of racism. Most perverse and deepest because it is unconscious. What Doan explained, according to Campbell, it is that four officials duly engaged and accredited by the National Hockey League could not remain professional and do their work in a game played in Montreal and featuring the Canadiens. Because they were French-speaking. Therefore, overly emotional people, too impassioned, too weak to resist temptation to help the minority ones, I suppose.
The same ones Doan already thought of during 75 years the French-speaking players of the Canadiens faced the Maple Leafs from Toronto, in Toronto, with three or four officials Anglo-Canadian? And that nobody even thought that they could be skewed because of their origin or their language. They were pros, that's all.
75 years is a long time, indeed. Not as long as two millenia of diaspora and perpetual subjugation, of course, but I can see why M Tremblay would get his tie in a knot over comments which may or may not have been uttered during an emotional hockey game.
I can't wait to see what he has to say about the blatant anti-Semetism of his publishers at La Tribune and Cyberpresse Inc.
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That is disgusting. Where are our major (English) media?
Mark
Ottawa
Posted by: Mark Collins | 2007-06-19 2:08:10 PM
They are occupied right now, looking to protect the rights of Muslims here in Canada - the right not be bothered until they are ready to plant bombs in our subways and shopping centres.
Posted by: obc | 2007-06-19 2:11:50 PM
Nice but you gotta re-size the cartoon...
Posted by: Winston | 2007-06-19 2:11:51 PM
And the NDP will never say anything about anti-Semitism, because they are busy backing terrorists, as evident in the following statement by an NDP member of parliament and past leader of the NDP:
"Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): [email protected]
"Mr. Speaker, tragically, the Palestinian unity government has collapsed. Never in 40 years had a Palestinian political body brought together the views of so many Palestinians. All major political movements were included.
Instead of seeing the unity government as a unique opportunity to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, the Conservative government shamefully boycotted, undermining the advocates of compromise, compounding political divisions within Gaza and the West Bank and increasing the insecurity plaguing the lives of Palestinians and Israelis.
The only viable government in Palestine is one that represents all Palestinians. Peace cannot be achieved without Hamas at the table. It is a fraud to pretend otherwise. It is imperative for the Canadian government to provide leadership and push for a unified, multilateral diplomatic front.
The current strife and tragic loss of life in Palestine and Israel will only be stemmed when a policy of peace and inclusive dialogue replaces the politics of militarism, boycott and division."
She backs terrorists--and they say they are against cruelty and dehanizing the terrorosts? I say the terrorists have dehumanized themselves, all on their own!
Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-19 3:49:29 PM
And the NDP will never say anything about anti-Semitism, because they are busy backing terrorists, as evident in the following statement by an NDP member of parliament and past leader of the NDP:
"Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): [email protected]
"Mr. Speaker, tragically, the Palestinian unity government has collapsed. Never in 40 years had a Palestinian political body brought together the views of so many Palestinians. All major political movements were included.
Instead of seeing the unity government as a unique opportunity to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, the Conservative government shamefully boycotted, undermining the advocates of compromise, compounding political divisions within Gaza and the West Bank and increasing the insecurity plaguing the lives of Palestinians and Israelis.
The only viable government in Palestine is one that represents all Palestinians. Peace cannot be achieved without Hamas at the table. It is a fraud to pretend otherwise. It is imperative for the Canadian government to provide leadership and push for a unified, multilateral diplomatic front.
The current strife and tragic loss of life in Palestine and Israel will only be stemmed when a policy of peace and inclusive dialogue replaces the politics of militarism, boycott and division."
She backs terrorists--and they say they are against cruelty and dehanizing the terrorosts? I say the terrorists have dehumanized themselves, all on their own!
Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-19 3:49:31 PM
And the NDP will never say anything about anti-Semitism, because they are busy backing terrorists, as evident in the following statement by an NDP member of parliament and past leader of the NDP:
"Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): [email protected]
"Mr. Speaker, tragically, the Palestinian unity government has collapsed. Never in 40 years had a Palestinian political body brought together the views of so many Palestinians. All major political movements were included.
Instead of seeing the unity government as a unique opportunity to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, the Conservative government shamefully boycotted, undermining the advocates of compromise, compounding political divisions within Gaza and the West Bank and increasing the insecurity plaguing the lives of Palestinians and Israelis.
The only viable government in Palestine is one that represents all Palestinians. Peace cannot be achieved without Hamas at the table. It is a fraud to pretend otherwise. It is imperative for the Canadian government to provide leadership and push for a unified, multilateral diplomatic front.
The current strife and tragic loss of life in Palestine and Israel will only be stemmed when a policy of peace and inclusive dialogue replaces the politics of militarism, boycott and division."
She backs terrorists--and they say they are against cruelty and dehanizing the terrorosts? I say the terrorists have dehumanized themselves, all on their own!
Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-19 3:49:33 PM
You are right, Lady - but I heard you the first time! LOL ! !
Posted by: obc | 2007-06-19 3:55:34 PM
So much for the tolerant left. This is as bigoted as they come. It appears that some forms of intolerance and prejudice - like those against Jews - are acceptable, while others are not.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Liberal Party, Dippers, Greens, BQ, etc.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-06-19 4:39:09 PM
The Palestinians have for the past forty years have time again proved themselves to be nothing but a pack of wild dogs craving the ripping of Israeli flesh.
This will never end until there are either no Palestinians or no Jews.
Any questions?
Posted by: Yanni | 2007-06-19 7:30:23 PM
No. That was rather clear and on the mark.
Posted by: obc | 2007-06-19 7:38:22 PM
Care to translate the cartoon? It was in a foreign language.
Posted by: Cynic | 2007-06-19 9:44:54 PM
My comments on the blog where this come from...:
"[...]
Oh-My-God!
1...
What's the richiest neiborhood in Québec...?
Westmount
Where do we find the highest representation of the Jewish community in Québec...?
Westmount.
Thank you very much.
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2...
What's the big deal here...?
I doubt that you the commentators and you the publishers had the honesty to check at the other cartoons published in that unknowed paper...because if you did like I just did, you would have acknowledge that they make fun of any groups with cheezy clichés - "Pure Laines" included.
By the way ommagwhatever...
The term "Pure laine" come from the fact that French Canadians in Québec had for almost all their history to count only on themselves because rude anglos were holding them to target key positions in our society. We say in Quebec that our group had to be "knitted tight" (Tricoté serré) to survive et florish considering our reality. When you're a French Quebecers from french decendants, you are a Québecois pure laine tricoté serré. If you have a problem with that expression, it's because you're bitter towards us and so you're twisting reality to confort yourselves in that misconception of the world around you.
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3...
"Jaw-dropping", "astoundingly bigoted"...
wow.
How suprising those comments are from a regular WS's poster...[...]"
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-19 10:18:55 PM
"So much for the tolerant left. This is as bigoted as they come. It appears that some forms of intolerance and prejudice - like those against Jews - are acceptable, while others are not.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Liberal Party, Dippers, Greens, BQ, etc."
Oh really !?
What about the famous "camel jockey" expressions we can often hear on that blog...?
The famous and tolerated "Fuckin French", "Fuckin frogs", "pea soup"; we hear so often but none of you will ever condamned...
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-19 10:50:41 PM
Palestnians should be removed from Gaza and the so-called west bank (wrong word for Samaria). Saudi Arabia would be overjoyed to help them resettle in their vast territory.
Posted by: Rémi Houle | 2007-06-20 6:13:21 AM
In the years preceding the Second World War, the extreme nationalists in Québec were from the far right end of the political spectrum. For the most part, these people were dominated by the Roman Catholic Church. They hated parliamentary democracy because it divided the “race”into political parties and they admired dictators such as Mussolini and Salazar. They were earlier, more primitive, versions of today left-leaning separatists.
A few years before the Second World War, in 1936, a Quebec priest, father Henri Guay published a book, La réponse de la Race, in which he stated that Satan and the Jews were the sworn enemies of Christ. In his book, which was approved by the Archbishop of Quebec, he claimed that the Jews organized the French Revolutions of 1789 and of 1830. He added that Jews were also behind communism and socialism. To make his point, the reverend father did not hesitate to add the complete text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Of course, these earlier version of today’s separatists opposed the participation of Canada in the War to liberate France because they were perfectly happy to see the Vichy regime demolishing parliamentary democracy and deporting over 82,000 French Jews to the Death Camps of Nazi Germany.
After the Algerians finally won their independence from the brutal rule of colonial France, the Quebec separatists started to drift toward the left where they are today. When they drifted from the ultra-right to the ultra-left end of the political spectrum, the Québec nationalists brought with them all myths and legends they had carefully nurtured after the Conquest, including anti-Semitism. In the early seventies, FLQ members were found training with Palestinian terrorists.
Other myths and legends carefully nurtured by the separatists: The French Canadians were oppressed by the English after the Conquest. Pure garbage. After the Conquest, French Canadians continued to practice their Roman Catholic religion. Although they were Roman Catholics, they were allowed to sit on juries and to serve as officials of the government and in the Militia while in England, Roman Catholics had to wait until 1829 to enjoy those rights.
Earlier French Canadian historians recognized that fact. Benjamin Sulte, in his Histoire des Canadiens-Français had this to say about the Conquest: “The English arrived without interrupting the continuity of New France. England treated us far better than France had ever done.” And he was not alone.
One year after the Treaty of Paris, in 1764, the English officially allowed the use of French in schools and churches and in administrative and legal documents while the English governors of Quebec, Trois-Rivières and Montreal were known to write to each others in French.
Not all French Canadians are separatists. Some of us are proud to be Canadians.
Posted by: andré | 2007-06-20 6:37:53 AM
Good factual comment André.
In 1763, France was led by decadent king and ministers. In 1789, people had enough of abuse and got rid of quite a few obnoxious mob. The real cause of the failure of Nlle France was the corrupted French government and society.
Posted by: Rémi Houle | 2007-06-20 8:03:33 AM
The WORST part is the similarity of rendering between this depiction of Jewish people and the ones from Nazi propaganda. That should be enough to give any decent person the willies.
It's like "aw shit! here we go again".
Well I'll tell ya one thing mein fuher; try to round us up and exterminate us THIS time you pigs and you are in for one FUCK of a shitstorm!
Posted by: the real 'Anon' | 2007-06-20 9:50:58 AM
yes - this time many of us are armed, whether the feds know it or not.
Posted by: obc | 2007-06-20 9:54:31 AM
obc,
For a moment, the computer froze, so I clicked the post button three times in four seconds--and then the website posted the comment three times.
After it posts, as you know, there is no way of getting them removed. Yet, I have to say that if it pleased you once, and it pleased you twice, that three times had to be a winner!
I learned today, that Abbass is outraged that Hamas has set up its new kingdom. Apparently, Hamas even invaded Arafat's old house, riffled through everything, and stole his infamous Nobel Prize, and furthermore, stomped all over the Palestinian flag--that be the PLO one.
I have to say, even though it is unladylike to do such things, I have on a couple of occassions, felt the urge to go stomp all over the PLO flag. And now, to my pleasure, they have managed to do it to themselves, saving me from actually carrying out the vulgar act of flag burning or stomping.
Although it has been said the enemy of my enemy is my friend, I am not certain that the current situation could ever be the case. It is one though where those terrorists will make themselves look so bad, that anyone else will look like someone you might want to have over for tea.
We must never forget, that as of studies in 2000, done by the Palestinian academics themselves, more than two thirds of Palestinian children, between the age of ten and fifteen, had fantasies about being shahids. And shahids are suicide bombers. Shall we say, no more visas to those people?
Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-20 12:01:13 PM
Don't even think of creating a palestinian state, unless one creates it in Jordan or Saudi Arabia. This is Israel territory. It has been given to Jacob by the Lord himself.
As long as palestinians will try, they will only bring disaster over them. Let's start an organization to pursue that goal. That is the best thing we can do for Middle East.
Lady, I invite you to get involved!
Posted by: Rémi Houle | 2007-06-20 3:27:18 PM
"He added that Jews were also behind communism and socialism."
The non-Jewish Jews :) [Is that like the non-German Nazis?]were hugely disproportionately supporters of communism and socialism. The saga of Stalin's Jews and their involvement in the mass murder/starvation of Christians, largely in the Ukraine, is well documented. The Catholic Church in the 1930s was well aware of the threat of atheistic communism so why would they support it?
When did French Canada try to exterminate the Jews? Cdn Jews did not show any greater desire than French Cdns to face the Nazi menance. Disproportionate to their numbers in the population, they preferred conscription and slept away the horrors of WWII.
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-20 4:16:17 PM
"He added that Jews were also behind communism and socialism."
The non-Jewish Jews :) [Is that like the non-German Nazis?]were hugely disproportionately supporters of communism and socialism. The saga of Stalin's Jews and their involvement in the mass murder/starvation of Christians, largely in the Ukraine, is well documented. The Catholic Church in the 1930s was well aware of the threat of atheistic communism so why would they support it?
When did French Canada try to exterminate the Jews? Cdn Jews did not show any greater desire than French Cdns to face the Nazi menance. Disproportionate to their numbers in the population, they preferred conscription and slept away the horrors of WWII.
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-20 4:16:22 PM
andré
Yes, there are many Francophone Canadians who are very happy and proud to be Canadians. I would have to say that the majority of Francophone Canadians are in fact Federalists. You are not alone. Where people get to being alone, though, is in settling this issue once and for all.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-21 12:38:13 AM
Yeah,
It's "suprising" ppl always target French Canadians and Frenchies regarding Antisemitism in Canada when reality is that Anglo PMs and other English actors both here and in England where pretty active in this era. More: Most of them were Cons. from the right wing just like most from French Canada. Of course, the separatists are THE DEVIL so why not blame dem first - like for the rest, right?. Read "the black book of English Canada" for a recap about >reality<.
Also, if this cartoon would have showned money signs in the eyes of the 2 Jewish fellows I would have a problem with it. Since it's Little Mario who had the dollard signs in his eyes...I guess he's the one targeted by the shit. You really have to be "de mauvaise fois" not seeing it like that.
André and those who beleive that English Canada had never hold French Canadians from being equal citizens, after Great Britain won the War, are as bad deniers than The Iran President. Cnd political allegence have no meanings regardings those real facts about our Canadian history.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-21 9:41:06 AM
Marc: Provide facts
Posted by: andré | 2007-06-21 11:26:17 AM
André: Learn your history.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-21 12:21:12 PM
Marc,
Provide facts. I KNOW history. (I just want to see if your grasp of history is as extensive as your grasp of the English language).
Posted by: the real 'Anon' | 2007-06-21 12:30:17 PM
Of course 'Anon'...
On wich part would you like me to provide you some information to prove my points ?
It will be my pleasure, regardless of your lack of imagination in the insults department.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-21 12:40:48 PM
Marc,
LOL. No insult . Truth. Touchy a bit maybe?
Why so defensive little fellow?
Posted by: the real 'Anon' | 2007-06-21 12:43:56 PM
I dunno man, your own reaction was more agressive than passive regarding a post that wasent directed to you. who's the "REAL" touchy one "REAL ANON"...?
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-21 12:57:28 PM
You are right. I was feeling mischevious. I just like to get a rise outta you now and then - it's always so easy and fun 'cause you're always so intense. Carry on dude.
Posted by: the real 'Anon' | 2007-06-21 1:14:03 PM
Tx.
Now, I'm fucked again: when adressing me, please do not use "new words" like "mischevious"...
Vive Google !
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-21 1:18:48 PM
Why should French or English Canadians beat themselves up over a desire to speak and associate freely? Neither French nor English Canada has anything remotely resembling the Nazis in its history. The desire for self-determination, freedom of association and speech is reasonable in a free society. The Catholic Church's concern for the danger of atheistic communism and its Jewish influence was well-founded, especially since the origin of Jewish immigration during the 1920s had shifted to Eastern and Central Europe.
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-21 1:32:45 PM
The difference DJ is that French Canadians dosent accuse English Canadians to be Nazis' related each time the word "Jewish" is on the menu. There's no point for us in trying to put the blame on the other group regarding Jewish issues. Concerning the rest of your post, I'm not interested in going further tru that discussion. Nothing personal.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-21 1:46:51 PM
DJ,
Over 18,000 Jews served Canada in WWII. And, many serve today. You keep harping on your hatred towards Jews, as if there is no such thing as English-Canadian Jews or French-Canadian Jews. fact remains, Jews are a people of all kinds.
I bet you sit back in your office and dream about re-kindling all the racism and vitrolic nature against the Jews, of the past. What a pathetic existence....
Posted by: Lady | 2007-06-21 1:59:07 PM
It was the Jewish "Real Anon" that made the Nazi reference. Huck's point was the juxtaposition. Tremblay inferred that Doan was inherently racist, even though he did not call Cormier a "fucking frog".
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-21 2:08:49 PM
"Over 18,000 Jews served Canada in WWII. And, many serve today."
Disprortionately conscripts, in WWII. How many serve today, 300, maybe?
Self-defence, Bubbala.
We "pigs" never rounded up any Jews. In fact forty-five thousand of us "pigs" died fighting the Nazi menace while the better part of those 18,000 Cdn Jews slept out the war.
Adolf's revenge no doubt. :)
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-21 2:19:10 PM
Of course, the words of one anglo player worth more than the words of 2 francos NHL officials...
Tshhhhuuuut Tremblay ! Don't say that out loud...
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For a guy like me who's listening constantly Sports radio stations and TV, I can assure you that none have anything toward Doan or never tried to tarnish him. What's shocking for those commentators is that no intervenant never took the point of those two referees seriously, prefering to beleive Doan instantely. That's all.
This said, I dont see no correlations between that story and this silly cartoon. Other than a WS main poster trying to twist the shit to make the Frenchies look bad again, bien sur. Bah, I understand the WS is paying him for that anyways.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-21 2:46:40 PM
"Of course, the words of one anglo player worth more than the words of 2 francos NHL officials..."
How so? Doan was given a gross misconduct penalty for the slur, which according to the NHL rule book, Rule 58, is the appropriate punishment.
Re: the cartoon, it doesn't have anything to do with the Doan/Cormier spat.
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-21 4:29:56 PM
NHL Rules ??? Wtf are U talkin about DJ ??
You and I are the NHL spirit and rules...
Shane Doan, regardless his great talent, dosent exist if U and I stop listening hockey.
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"Re: the cartoon, it doesn't have anything to do with the Doan/Cormier spat."
Thanks for clarifying this for our host and his main posters.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-22 12:07:56 AM
When I was in the Royal Canadian Air Force in the early sixties I met many Jewish Canadians who had fought during WWII and had remained in the Air Force after the war.
The cartoon is similar to the anti-Jewish stereotypes produced in Nazi Germany. The two Jews are portrayed with large hooked noses and other visual symbols that can only be interpreted as anti-Semitic.
The Doan incident was just another excuse for the Bloc Quebecois to whine.
The claim that French-Canadians were treated as second class citizens by the British is baseless.
After the British took over from the French, French Canadians began to enjoy political and human rights unknown in France until the middle of the nineteen century: habeas corpus, the right to be tried by a jury, the right to present petitions of the king for example. In 1765, a few years after Conquest, the Privy Council declared that the Test Act of 1673, which limited the liberties of Catholics in England until 1829 was not to used against French Canadians. In practical terms, this meant that French Canadians, who were all Catholics, were emancipated 64 years before the emancipation of British Catholics.
The Privy Council decision of 1765 also meant that French Canadians could become lawyers, serve on juries, and become officers in the militia which they did. It also allowed the use of French during trials and a return to the French civil laws. After the Conquest, the English also abolished the use of torture to obtain a confession. In France, torture was only abolished in 1780, twenty years after the British Conquest.
Posted by: andré | 2007-06-22 6:19:22 AM
Jewish participation? How about a true war hero!
Canadian war hero Syd Shulemson has died - WW2 Fighter pilot
Fighter pilot Syd Shulemson was Canada's most highly decorated World War II Jewish soldier. He helped pioneer techniques for low-level rocket attacks on Axis powers' shipping. The tactics were used for decades until long-range missiles supplanted unguided rockets. He was sent to RCAF 404 Squadron as part of a Royal Air Force Coastal Command wing whose role was to attack German shipping along the Norwegian and Dutch coasts. The squadron was equipped with Bristol Beaufighters. Though heavily armed with four 20-mm cannon and 6 machine guns, they suffered heavy losses when attacking ships with torpedoes because they had to fly straight and slow.
by ctv | 2007-02-04
Posted by: obc | 2007-06-22 7:48:14 AM
http://www.vigile.net/archives/ds-societe/docs2/02-6-26-conlogue-francophobie.html
http://english.republiquelibre.org/The_principles_and_means_of_Qu%C3%A9bec%27s_language_policy
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/readings/1840.htm
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/docs/asbestos/6Bj.htm
Posted by: Marc | 2007-06-22 3:13:57 PM
"When I was in the Royal Canadian Air Force in the early sixties I met many Jewish Canadians who had fought during WWII and had remained in the Air Force after the war."
Granatstein,
"The Second World War representation of other ethnicities in the CF was better than in the Great War, but still below standard. Every ethnic group has carefully massaged data to show that it sent the highest percentage etc, etc; this is all nonsense, in my view, because it includes conscripts and fails to differentiate between combat arms and services: Jews, who might have been expected to be especially concerned with the Second World War, e.g., had a lower percentage than their population share in volunteer enlistments and a higher percentage among conscripts; they also had a lower casualty rate than the norm which suggests a low combat arms representation."
http://www.cda-cdai.ca/seminars/2001/granatstein.htm
"The cartoon is similar to the anti-Jewish stereotypes produced in Nazi Germany. The two Jews are portrayed with large hooked noses and other visual symbols that can only be interpreted as anti-Semitic."
Are you saying Semites don't have large hooked noses. The feature is a racial identifier and is found in many Egyptian mummies. Religious Jews wear yarmulkas and side-locks. If you portray a Jew, as a Jew, then you're are anti-semitic, is that correct? In order not to be a/s you must portray Jews as Norwegians, right? Are you saying Jews loath the way they look and the religious garb they wear?
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-22 4:28:48 PM
"Religious Jews wear yarmulkas and side-locks."
But he didn't meet with religious Jews, did he you ant-Semite. He met with non-religious Jewish businessmen.
Posted by: obc | 2007-06-22 4:32:36 PM
"He met with non-religious Jewish businessmen."
So portraying Jews as Jews and not as Swedes is anti-semitic, is that your argument? Are these Jewish businessmen ashamed to be seen in their traditional religious garb?
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-22 5:04:10 PM
DJ, you ignorant slut ~
If they are not religious, why portray them that way? Should French Canadians like Chretien be disparaged or stealing from the taxpayers by portraying them with crucifixes around their necks?
Posted by: obc | 2007-06-22 5:14:40 PM
How about holding a burning crucifix?
Oh right, that one's already been done!
http://www.boylecartoon.co.uk/html/scotland/003.html
Posted by: DJ | 2007-06-22 9:34:11 PM
DJ,
Get a life. No good has ever come out of the hatred you espouse. You are so full of lies, lies, and more damned lies.
Truth is, Jews served in WWII and Jews served post WWII, and Jews served in Korea, and Jews serve today. Jews serve in every single aspect of the forces. And no, they do not go around indentifying themselves for your edification, in the manner to which you would like to become accustomed.
You make it appear as if your first love is for Canada and the service, but that is a load of cow manure. You real reson for posting, is to promote hatred of an identifiable group--and make other people believe in your lies.
I would tell you to go to hell, but it appears to me, that you are already there, in your mind.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-07-03 1:53:31 PM
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