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Tuesday, April 17, 2007


US General: Afghan arms made in Iran

When 8 Canadian soldiers died in recent Afghan suicide attacks, I thought to myself that this could be a signal Islamic regime of Iran is sending to Canada, via its Afghan proxies, for the hard stance that Canada has taken on Iranian nuclear and human rights issues ever since PM Harper elected to office almost 15 months ago. Now it is highly likely that Iranian regime has also declared war against Canada and they will do whatever they can to hurt Canadian troops in Afghanistan the same way they are doing it to coalition forces in Iraq.

It might very well be a wild guess to say Iranian regime is doing this to, particularly, Canadian troops in that country but given the history of regime and things they have done so far, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Iranian gov't was/is behind these recent attacks on Canadian troops.

Posted by Winston on April 17, 2007 in Current Affairs, International Affairs, Military | Permalink


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Iran is a major funder of terrorism throughout the middle east. They have backed Hisbollah at the tune of 100 million per annum. They have restocked Hisbollah -- the 4,000 rockets that they hurled into Israel.

It should come as no surprise to Canadians, that they are behind the deaths of so many Canadian peace-keepers.

And all we Canadians are interested in, is for there to be peace in the middle east, and for people's human rights to be restpected, and therefore live in freedom --therefore, without terror.

Iran is continueing to pose a threat to the western world. They are like multi-billionaire terrorists -- a Columbine-nation, with a trigger finger, that they keep behind their backs, while smiling away as if they are innocent.

And, although the people may be poor, they are major oil exporters. Instead of using their income for wealth, they use it to kill the people who extend their amrs in peace.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-04-17 2:34:04 PM

Question is why do we put up with Iran's practice of supplying arms to the terrorists our soldiers are fighting and dying to protect us from?

What are the Western Democracies afraid of losing by getting seriously tough on that place with a mad man at the helm? He's going to have nuclear capability in about two years according to those in the know.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-04-17 3:06:13 PM

Winston: The Islamists (read Iran), would love to slay all the infidels (read western countries)and a big part of that would be assisting in Afghanistan and Iraq by supplying arms to their Islamic brothers.

So whether or not Iran is targeting Canadians specifically, makes no difference...as we are at War with them already, it just hasn't been declared.

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 3:08:18 PM

Winston: The Islamists (read Iran), would love to slay all the infidels (read western countries)and a big part of that would be assisting in Afghanistan and Iraq by supplying arms to their Islamic brothers.

So whether or not Iran is targeting Canadians specifically, makes no difference...as we are at War with them already, it just hasn't been declared.

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 3:12:32 PM

Guess I'm stuttering...

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 3:14:05 PM

I think Winston has made a subtle distinction that must be highlighted.

It seems to me he is careful to refer to not Iran,but the 'regime of Iran'.

I think we in the conservative movement need to do a better job of distinguishing between Islamists and extreme Islamists.

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2007-04-17 3:15:04 PM


You mean between Muslims and Islamists?

What about Muhammedans?

Or the fact there is a huge civil war that has raged for more than a millenia between the Shi'ite and Sunni factions?

Iran, BTW, is Shi'ite ... as is the majority population of Iraq.

Posted by: Set you free | 2007-04-17 3:24:51 PM

They are certainly full of it...and Afghanistan? Which brand are they and the Taliban?

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 3:37:33 PM

Q: If Iran is the real shit than what the FBEEEEP the US are doin' in Iraq...?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 3:37:38 PM

I mean between the ones who are actively trying to destroy the west,or support their cause.....and those who aren't and don't.


I was pointing out the fact I thought Winston was careful to not blame ALL Iranians for the actions of their terrorist regime.

Something we could all emulate.

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2007-04-17 3:37:51 PM

CO: When people comment on the Germans in WWII, do you think they mean every last German? Thus when talking about Islamic headchoppers, we do not reference every last Muslim.

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 3:52:56 PM

I am all for a quick exit for the US from Iraq - via Iran, of course.

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 3:56:51 PM


Taliban is a sunni movement

Canadian Observer

People of Iran have nothing against Canada, US or Israel for that matter. Majority of Iranians love western people and culture. It's the occupying Islamic regime of Iran that is our enemy.

Posted by: Winston | 2007-04-17 4:00:14 PM

Forget about it obc, they didnt found any weapons of mass destruction already.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 4:01:34 PM

...And is it just me or it was a pretty dumb idea to destroy the only natural enemy of Iran ?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 4:05:09 PM

Sure, they should have let the rape rooms, torture chambers and wholesale slaughter of Iraqis continue because Saddam hated Iran. Oh, I forgot - it was all about the oil - right, Marc?

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 4:07:56 PM

Thanks Winston,

Just goes to show that Sunni or Shiite, makes no difference. Even if they hate each other they are both dangerous to everyone.

Iran/hezbollah/Taliban/MNLF in the Philippines/Thailand muslims/Nigerian, etc etc. the list is too long...

World war III is on and no one will admit it. Let's just hope that once the bombs start falling in Iran, the people will rise up and get rid of the Mullahs, otherwise we're in for a long one.

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 4:09:36 PM

It seems like obc better love to deal with millions of religious sickos over one not religious sadam. If the description you have made was the only standards for an invasion obc...dont you seriously think that the US wouldnt have destroy more then half the countries on earth ? You say "it was oil" to try to make me look like an idiot but lets just say that I will wait for you on my side of the river anyways. So take your time.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 4:20:31 PM


Can you explain why Saddam agreed to reveal the location of his weapons of mass destruction after he was expelled from Kuwait?

The WMD are now in Syria, in case you haven't been paying attention.


Since these actions by (fill in your own description) are happening around the globe wherever Muslim populations are located, is it a stretch to imagine they are doing this because something in their religious doctrine commands them do to it?

Perhaps the majority non-combatant Muslims are not serious enough about their faith?

Posted by: Set you free | 2007-04-17 4:23:51 PM

marc: How have you been? You keep dragging up Iraq, just like Hab fans keep looking back at the glory days....get over it mon ami. Saddam was removed whether we like it or not, the question now is how best handle the terrorists there trying to instigate a civil war/ Also those Habs glory days are gone...too many Europeans on the team according to one sports guy on TV, and no it wasn't King Don Cherry! :)

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 4:26:08 PM

Right...SET...I forgot...
Oh well, Sorry people of Iraq.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 4:28:52 PM

SYF: Maybe it's all because of Israel and the U.S. imperialist policies? I'm sure all those buddhists getting killed in Thailand, christians and animists in Nigeria are big time Israeli supporters, eh? Sacre bleu, as Marc would say!

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-04-17 4:29:05 PM


The people of Iraq have voted in three elections already, in case you haven't been paying attention.

Why are you so confused by the facts?


Yep, that's it.

Death to America.

Death to the Jew.

Indonesians killed a Buddhist woman riding a bicycle last week because of the imperialist policies of George Bush.

I think I'm getting the hang of this.

Posted by: Set you free | 2007-04-17 4:34:14 PM


"Majority of Iranians love western people and culture. It's the occupying Islamic regime of Iran that is our enemy."

You realize that this statement is at odds with what a great many commentors and a few official posters on this blog say. There is a strong sentiment among the WS crowd that a muslim is a muslim is a terrorist. Check some of the replies in your "Holocaust Remembered" thread or any of the many posts by "Right Girl" on the subject. I would have thought you might speak up more often against such statements. Especially when you post about how bad the Iranian regime is and many of the "supportive" replies you get are from people who would be glad to wipe out all muslims, not just the leaders.

Posted by: Mark Logan | 2007-04-17 4:40:09 PM


When people simply say Iranians or Muslims,it is generally inferred to mean ALL unless they use a descriptive qualifier like some or most,extreme or terrorist.Or as you so eloquently put....headchoppers.

Muslims are terrorists.
Some Muslims are terrorists.

Liberals are thieves.
Some liberals are thieves.

Iranians support a terrorist regime.
Some Iranians support a terrorist regime.

Albertans are conservatives.
Most Albertans are conservatives.
(OK,BOTH of the liberal ones could be accurate. :))

That's a biiiiiig difference when you are trying to communicate accurately...one that too many bloggers are completely ignorant of.

Thus my highlighting(AGAIN) Winston's carefulness to refer to the Iranian REGIME...not Iran.


Please do not bother to respond to my posts if you aren't going to read them first.

What the hell do you think I've been trying to get people to understand here?


You are so blinded by an 'us and them' mentality,you don't even recognise when I am supporting your POV.

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2007-04-17 4:46:55 PM


"It's the occupying..." sure, that is what "they" always say about Germany during WWII. It was not the German people who did all those bad things, but the Nazis party, "they made us do it, they, they, they, them, those people!"

Sure, and the riots, and the burning of Synagogues, and the torturing and mocking of Jews, the cutting off of beards, and the shaving of heads, and the gassing and everything that went from 1933 right through to the end of the war. The German people had nothing to do with that?

But the people elected the government who then lead them -- you say? You think? Maybe?

And the people selected the means by which that government got in, and then did nothing to stop them from doing what they did, when they started doing that stuff. Sure, must give credit to those who tried. But they failed -- ain't that the terrible truth!

Is there difference between Germany during those 12 years and Iran today? Sure, there is. But the differences are not about the nature of the governments, as they both hated Jews just as much as the other. And they are a bunch of lousy fascists! In fact, where can you buy Hitler's books? Where are they the most popular? Where also is "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" selling like hotcakes, as if it were truth? Those questions, are rhetorical, as the answer sheds light on the truth as it exists in the people.

The day when a people could elect a government and then hide behind it, and say they were 'just following orders' went down the toilet during the Nuremberg trials.

Sure, I know some lovely Iranians. Let us not get particular about this trouble. It is simply that the Iranian people decided that instead of crushing the extremists, that they would run and hide, and then get other people to do their dirty work for them. If the lovely Iranian people really cared a damn about their own country, and what these despots are doing, they would go home and clean up their own mess.

My heart really goes out to those who simply do not want the job. But if it is not their job, then how on earth can they say they expect another nation, such as America, do their dirty work for them?

And if the funding of weapons in Afghanistan by Iran is not the will of the Iranians, then they are doing a terrible job in convincing others, including myself, believe that they are in fact as deadset against terrorists and terrorism as I am -- as you say you are -- and as any good and worthy free nation ought to take its stand and so say and do so as well.

The rest -- are just a bunch of coping Liberals -- who dare to ignore the world as if stuffing their heads in sand dunes will make all those nasty people go away -- or terrorists themselves.

Excuse me, while I get sick....

Posted by: Lady | 2007-04-17 4:54:53 PM

Comment ca va vieux ?
We are mostly europeans down here but nothing worth local guys when your home town team is at war. When you talk about hockey, a Canadian would be a better choice, but picking a Quebecer and especially a french one...would be the smartest move. I dont say that to be rude or something, it's just by looking at the League...
Ah forget it.

Anyways, the habs are about to get back on tracks so...outch!...watch the futur years.

Iraq was a big mistake and you people will also say that in years to come when we will have to face REAL SICKOS and that the US army will be at zero degree of willingness because of that oh so huge hole of Shit that Iraq was, is and will.

Recruiting non-stop 24hrs/day badly educated people who are now crazy because the US is oppressing people who had never declare war to them, I count on all the sick Mullahs and in the Muslims world (and friends) -including down here-to hit real hard at the US (and friends) inna near futur.

Iraq was an error and was far from the big picture. People who went blindly for the US since day one, without asking questions...will realise how big the error was one day. It's just sad to face such imcompetency from a country like the US. You can be strongly attach to a friendly country (like I am) without being blind on everything on the agenda. Anyways thats just my opinion, dont pay attention if you disagree.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 5:01:56 PM

Marc says:

"to try to make me look like an idiot"

You don't need any help from me, pal.

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 5:02:54 PM

Set, the people of Iraq are bombing their new democratic politicians. Who's confused now.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 5:04:21 PM

Please take note that obc is a profesional comic.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 5:06:46 PM

The People of Iraq are bombing??? It's the Iranians who are pulling the strings on Mookie and his Mahdi army. The People of Iraq would just love to live in peace and quiet. Their voting efforts amply prove that.

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 5:09:03 PM

"Please take note that obc is a profesional comic."

Ha! Ha! I was going to say Ho! Ho! but you might be nappy-haired, and I didn't want to get taken off the air.

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 5:11:20 PM

I recall that Iran supported the UN-sponsored invasion of Afghanistan. I guess they changed their minds without telling us.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-04-17 5:12:40 PM

"get taken off the air"
Right. Who's the idiot now.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 5:27:52 PM

"People who went blindly for the US since day one, without asking questions...will realise how big the error was one day."


For me,that day came and went about 5-6 months ago.

The democrats have already killed any hope of winning in Iraq Bush that still had.
But,well before that,this boneheaded foray into Iraq has also cost the moral support of allies and probably any hopes of a victory for the just cause young Canadians are fighting and dying for in Afghan.

What a f*cking mess.

Now we look weak,indecisive and divided to these murderous bastards.

I guess we probably are.

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2007-04-17 5:40:45 PM

Since day one, I say that we (the Western world) are lacking of diplomacy in those conflicts. Not for being at war, but because this "cause" look like "the white Men" against "the ME", even if it's not. How can you slow down hatred after that. Iraq was the biggest error and our boyz are now paying the price...Not us sitting at our desks. Sad thing really and we all gonna pay soon anyways if we dont focus on real dangers over big "incomming opportunities".

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 5:48:44 PM

"Who's the idiot now."

Still the same answer, pal.

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 5:51:44 PM

I cannot compete with you obc you're too good. I declare you as the winner.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 6:00:00 PM

I cannot compete with you obc you're too good. I declare you as the winner.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 6:00:02 PM

I heard you the firs time, pal.

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 6:06:28 PM

...It was to make sure everybody has took note you have been crownded, Pal.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-04-17 6:11:08 PM

It is very interesting how some things change and some things remain. Consider the book ** A Desert Drama: Being the Tragedy of the Korosko ** bu Arthur Conan-Doyle written about 110 years ago. Change Great Britain to America and Conan-Doyle might as well be a newspaper reporter - his statements are up to date.

"...It is my opinion that we [Great Britain] have been the policemen of the world long enough. We policed the seas for pirates and slavers. Now we police the land for Dervishes and brigands and every sort of danger to civilization. There is never a mad priest or a witch doctor, or a firebrand of any sort on this planet, who does not report his appearance by sniping the nearest British officer. One tires of it at last. If a Kurd breaks loose in Asia Minor, the world wants to know why Great Britain does not keep him in order. If there is a military mutiny in Egypt, or a Jihad in the Sudan, it is still Great Britain who has to set it right. And all to an accompaniment of curses such as the policeman gets when he seizes a ruffian among his pals. We get hard knocks and no thanks, and why should we do it? Let Europe do its own dirty work."

Is is too much to suggest that some of America's current opponents are the pals of, er, ruffians?? Is it no wonder that they act as such?

Posted by: Brent Weston | 2007-04-17 7:00:17 PM

and a little more of the same here:

Posted by: Brent Weston | 2007-04-17 7:01:53 PM

"It's the occupying..." sure, that is what "they" always say about Germany during WWII. It was not the German people who did all those bad things, but the Nazis party, "they made us do it, they, they, they, them, those people!"

It's like Slezkine and his book "Stalin's Willing Executioners". It was not Jews that did all those nasty things. It was Communists.

"It strains credulity to suppose that these migrants completely and immediately threw off all remnants of the Eastern European shtetl culture—which, as Slezkine acknowledges, had a deep sense of estrangement from non-Jewish society, a fear and hatred of peasants, hostility toward the Czarist upper class, and a very negative attitude toward Christianity.

In other words, the war against what Slezkine terms “rural backwardness and religion” — major targets of the Revolution — was exactly the sort of war that traditional Jews would have supported wholeheartedly, because it was a war against everything they hated and thought of as oppressing Jews.

Their presence was particularly notable at the top levels of the Cheka and OGPU (two successive acronyms for the secret police). Here Slezkine provides statistics on Jewish overrepresentation in these organizations, especially in supervisory roles, and quotes historian Leonard Shapiro’s comment that “anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with and possibly shot by a Jewish investigator.”

During the 1930s, Slezkine reports, the secret police, now known as the NKVD, “was one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions”, with 42 of the 111 top officials being Jewish. At this time 12 of the 20 NKVD directorates were headed by ethnic Jews, including those in charge of State Security, Police, Labor Camps, and Resettlement (deportation).

The Gulag was headed by ethnic Jews from its beginning in 1930 until the end of 1938, a period that encompasses the worst excesses of the Great Terror.

They were, in Slezkine’s remarkable phrase, “Stalin’s willing executioners”."

The Jewish Bolsheviks legacy;

"...the extermination of the Don Cossacks in the 1920's, and Volga Germans, in 1941; and mass executions and deportations to concentration camps of Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, and Poles. At the end of World War II, the Soviet gulag held 5.5 million prisoners, 23% Ukrainians and 6% Baltic peoples.

Almost unknown is the genocide of 2 million of the USSR's Muslim peoples: Chechen, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Tajiks, Bashkir, Kazaks.

Add to this list of forgotten atrocities the murder in Eastern Europe from 1945–47 of at least 2 million ethnic Germans, mostly women and children, and the violent expulsion of 15 million more Germans, during which 2 million German girls and women were raped.

Among these monstrous crimes, Ukraine stands out as the worst in terms of numbers. In 1932, Commissars V. Molotov and Lazar Kaganovitch, and NKVD secret police chief G. Yagoda crushed the resistance of Ukrainian farmers to forced collectivization

Ukraine was sealed off. All food supplies and livestock were confiscated. NKVD death squads executed "anti-party elements." Furious that insufficient Ukrainians were being shot, Kaganovitch "the Soviet Adolf Eichmann" set a quota of 10,000 executions a week. Eighty percent of Ukrainian intellectuals were shot.

During the bitter winter of 1932–33, 25,000 Ukrainians per day were being shot or dying of starvation and cold. Cannibalism became common. Ukraine, writes historian Robert Conquest, looked like a giant version of the future Bergan-Belsen death camp.

The mass murder of 7 million Ukrainians, 3 million of them children, and deportation to the gulag of 2 million (where most died) was hidden by Soviet propaganda."

Yet seventy years after the destruction of a quarter of Ukraine's population, this titanic crime has almost vanished into history's black hole. Why?

Posted by: DJ | 2007-04-17 7:21:41 PM

"Yet seventy years after the destruction of a quarter of Ukraine's population, this titanic crime has almost vanished into history's black hole. Why?"

WHY??? Because the perpetrator was Joe Stalin - a Leftist par excellence. Heck, the NY Times won a Pulitzer for one of its reporters (Duranty?) who belittled this entire episode. To this day, the Commies at the NY Slimes have proudly exhibited this award - with no retractions, not even in Section Z on page 279 where they usually print their "corrections".

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 7:36:08 PM

Canadian observer

Calm down dude, I didn't mean to offend you or be against you. I do know that you are supportive of my POV and it is appreciated.

Posted by: Winston | 2007-04-17 7:56:57 PM

Ok, but who were those Commies at the New York Times?


Posted by: DJ | 2007-04-17 8:07:14 PM

Yup - it's those Jeeeeeeews again. Ethnic Jews who have no true religious affiliation are apt to be Leftists and Commies and Dippers. Their ideology replaces their religion. Not that different from lapsed Christians who become Leftists in the same manner.

Posted by: obc | 2007-04-17 9:04:45 PM

My feeling is that all comments are right.

Irak war was a mistake. Taking Saddam Hussein down was not a mistake though. He already had started two wars. Maybe he could have been taken down by other means.

Is a muslim a terrorist? Not necessarily. But if a muslim follow the book he is bound to become a murderer. I don't think we should wipe out all muslims but we should outlaw Islam because they promote murder and hatred. I understand it is a huge job but what alternative do we have? Wait that Iran wipe out 6 millions Israelis? Wait that Islamofacists explode a nuclear device in a western city?

In 1935, to say we should erase nazis could have seemed a huge task. Nonetheless it was the right thing to do.

Posted by: Rémi Houle | 2007-04-17 9:09:10 PM


Then you have my apology for assuming you were holding a grudge and being condescending.

I find it hypocritical that some who approve of our mission helping the people of Afghan,who themselves supported a terrorist regime,consider the Iranians only worthy of annihilation.

Yet,I also understand that this scenario may ultimately be Israel's only option for survival,
for I believe they can no longer rely on a strong US or even UN resolve in the face of these Islamic madmen.

The Dems picked a very shitty time to denut Bush.

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2007-04-17 10:01:29 PM

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