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Thursday, February 22, 2007

War, What Liberals are Good For

I've always believed that muddled Canadian support for the war in Afghanistan has to do, partly, with the fact that it's a Conservative advocating the mission. That is, if the Liberals were governing, Canadians would be more likely to back their government's policies when it is at war.  When Conservatives go to war, it looks like sucking up to the Yanks and war-mongering. When Liberals go to war, however, they're thought to be less trigger-happy and more prudent.

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Sound like you should have read Coyne's column yesterday in the National Post. Same theory.

Posted by: Keith | 2007-02-22 12:39:23 PM

Well that quite simply is the truth. When Bubba Clinton bombed Yugoslavia into the stone age, Canada stood up and supported the Yanks, and all us good Canadians cheered.

Even as the bombings started there was more than enough evidence to show that we were bombing the wrong side, but decided to turn a blind eye.

Years later after all the evidence that supports that we bombed a country that was defending itself against Al Queda terrorists in the KLA/UCK Albanian army, we still refuse to acknowledge this.

Scott Taylor a Canadian journalist was there, he wrote a book called An Uncivil War and it debunks the myth that we were in a justified war. He gave his findings to Michael Ignatieff who wrote a book supporting the propaganda position. Once Ignatieff was armed with the truth he wtrote a second book on the conflict to support his first book.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are double standards in the press and in the Liberal/NDP coalition when it comes to who's conflicts we support.

Posted by: niv | 2007-02-22 1:04:32 PM

I agree with you niv,

And there are many who see what it is that is being said.

Why do we, as a society, continue to make the same mistakes, year after year?

Well, when we have no principles, for one, we are incapable of standing up and looking at the material, with any kind of objectivity.

The following short video really makes you think about what it is we do, and why we keep on doing the mistakes over and over again.


Posted by: Lady | 2007-02-22 1:33:48 PM

Oops, I missed thurl niv,


Posted by: Lady | 2007-02-22 1:34:49 PM

Liberals are terribly responsible.

(Thanks for that link, Lady. I'll be sending it on to a few ignorami.)

Posted by: greenmamba | 2007-02-22 2:50:26 PM

Thanks Lady, I have actually seen that video it truly is disgusting.

History has a terrible habit of repeating itself, the reason for it is that no one believes it's a topic of importance. I've been told many times that I should not care what has happened in the past, I should just look to the future. My response is, how do you know where you're going, when you don't know where you came from?

Ignorance is an epidemic in the western world, and unfortunately the results will be seen in the future.

Posted by: niv | 2007-02-22 2:56:46 PM

Oh yeah, I have one more thing to add to this example. The left wing media still harps on the issue that the Iraq war happened without UN approval.

Well I never hear about the Clinton administration leading a war that the US Congress voted against, that made the war in Yugoslavia illegal according to US law. Now add to that fact that Clinton forced NATO into a war that violated its own constitution by being aggressors when no NATO countries were attacked by Yugoslavia.

It always amazes me how left leaning media always finds a way to soft pedal misdeeds by governments that are leftist, but seem to blow anything a right leaning government does out of proportion.

Posted by: niv | 2007-02-22 3:17:06 PM


You have made some excellent points.

It is very much like a mirror. You know where you might be going when you examine your past.

It is truth.

And, in regards to the media in relation to the misdeeds of the left, Alberta does not have a record with leftist governments in Provincial power. But she knows what happens when you put a leftist in office in Ottawa. Shall we say, National Oil Policy?

And BC knows all too well, what happens when you put an NDP party in power. But how many British Columbians still think about the fast ferry fiasco? Or do they recall just how much debt the NDP created? Do they recall just how impotent that government was? I think that perhaps they do, because the economy has been growing, since they elected the BC Liberals (remember BC is so leftist they don't have a real conservative Provincial party so all the fiscal conservatives have to plug their noses and join the Liberal Party of BC).

But I am reminded ober and over again, that institutions simply have no memory. Not much to speak of, at the best of times. History has this way filing what happenned into the past. New generations are born, and each and every time, they have to learn for themselves what, in fact, freedom really is, and what it takes to keep freedom from being a place where bad things and actions are chosen, generation after generation.

And greenmamba, you are welcome.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-02-22 3:29:53 PM

Lady please don't get me started on Provincial politics in BC. The last provincial election was my first that I did not vote since I have been eligible.

I am not proud of that as I believe we should vote, however my choices in BC are so dismal I could not bring myself to do it. On principal voting for the Liberals is the same as voting for them federally. They claim not to be associated, but that could not be further from the truth and on principal I said no to both parties (NDP and Liberals).

Going back to more important issues, you are right when you say it's up to the next generation to learn for themselves, and more often than naught they learn the wrong things. I'm placing a link here to an article written by history Professor Victor Davis Hanson, I believe he nails it on the head here.


Posted by: niv | 2007-02-22 4:26:40 PM


That was phenomenal reading. The writer is quite the genius, I must say.

My favorite quote from that article is definately the following:

"But now all that hard-won effort of some 2,500 years is at risk. The new enemies of Reason are not the enraged democrats who executed Socrates, the Christian zealots who persecuted philosophers of heliocentricity, or the Nazis who burned books. No, they are a pampered and scared Western public that caves to barbarism — dwarves who sit on the shoulders of dead giants, and believe that their present exalted position is somehow related to their own cowardly sense of accommodation."

And in particular, "...dwarves who sit on the shoulders of dead giants, and believe that their present exalted position is somehow related to their own cowardly sense of accommodation."

That article is quite the epiphany. I must say, it meets and perhaps exceeds the standards of Abraham Maslow, in regards to self-actualization by going into a literal place where few really understand what it is in fact he has written about.

And, what a gentleman he is....

Thank you for sharing that with me.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-02-22 8:56:51 PM

Good God, y'all!

Posted by: edwin starr | 2007-02-23 12:38:53 PM

Lady I'm glad you enjoyed that article, we share the same favorite part of the writing.

I must say I'm a huge fan of Victor Davis Hanson, he definitely is a Professor with a grand intelect and is not one of those scared westerners he refers to.

Posted by: niv | 2007-02-23 6:25:52 PM

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