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Tuesday, January 23, 2007

They only blew up a satellite; we can trust them

Words fail me.

Posted by D.J. McGuire on January 23, 2007 in International Affairs | Permalink

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Words fail me on this one too. China is the next super power, and knows that they can paralyze our whole society by knocking out or blocking our satellites. Glenn Beck on CNN did a good run on this Monday night, and he had some very good points that frighten even the most unflappable of us.

Posted by: Freedom of speech | 2007-01-23 4:04:20 PM


I don't see anything but hysterical hypocrisy related this issue.

The Soviets tested long ago how to eliminate a satellite.

The Americans tested long ago how to eliminate a satellite.

The Star War started, when the first satellites have been installed (in 1960, by the US) for military purposes. Satellites are spying everywhere, they will be used by the military extensively. Even the GPS satellites are primarilly military equipment.

It is only natural, that China wants to be able to neutralize part of the enemies' military equipment in case of an armed confrontation. The US would do the same, the Russians would do the same. India too will achieve this rather sooner than later. Everyone else would do the same, if they could.

So, why is this hysteria?

Posted by: Cato | 2007-01-23 4:14:14 PM


DJM, I would like to say thank you for your continued postings on Chinese perfidy in the face of relentlous criticism by those who, if they don't like your focus, don't have to read.

Oh, and those several tens of thousands of pieces of orbital debris will be around a couple of decades.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-23 4:15:15 PM


I don't see any hysteria here. We should even keep a closer look on China. They are a potential agressor of Taiwan. They already occupy Tibet, and kill Tibetans. They support terrorism.

I wonder how much help in sophisticated armaments are provided to Pakistan, Syria, Iran.

General MacArthur was right when he proposed invading China in order to restore democracy.

Posted by: Rémi Houle | 2007-01-23 4:53:47 PM


1. MacArthur had nothing in mind re democracy, when he suggested to invade China.

2. MacArthur was led by the nose in the Korean war by all parties (the Soviets, the Chinese, and by Truman as well).

Invading China was never even considered by Truman, and rightly so.

Posted by: Cato | 2007-01-23 5:52:50 PM


Figuring out how to get rid of a satellite is one thing ... blowing it up and leaving a few tons of debris in orbit is another.

As more and more stuff goes up .. there will now be more and more opportunity for collisions that may well destroy the shuttle, or perhaps another satellite that might be the one you use for your TV or cel phone or internet etc.

It is bigger than you think.

Posted by: Duke | 2007-01-23 5:59:12 PM


Cato,

"The Star War started, when the first satellites have been installed (in 1960, by the US) for military purposes. "

Why stop there for satellites? Why not go all the way back to 1957 Sputnik? It's purpose was to pave the way for ICBMs which are also space weapons as they also use LEO.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-23 6:14:38 PM


"Why not go all the way back to 1957 Sputnik? It's purpose was to pave the way for ICBMs which are also space weapons as they also use LEO"

That's true; we could go back to the invention of the wheel (and what about the fire?).

So what?

Posted by: Cato | 2007-01-23 6:23:39 PM


Cato said,

"So what?"

You also said,

"The Star War started, when the first satellites have been installed (in 1960, by the US) for military purposes. "

You pointed to the US starting Star Wars there. I corrected you. Russians started Star Wars several years earlier.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-23 6:28:18 PM


I think the bottom line is you clean up your own trash. Creating more dangerous debris that could harm other satellites or human occupied craft should be strongly discouraged by all nations.

Posted by: Sean Whelan | 2007-01-23 6:40:09 PM


Sean,
"I think the bottom line is you clean up your own trash. Creating more dangerous debris that could harm other satellites or human occupied craft should be strongly discouraged by all nations. ":

Agreed but the question is, how? It's dangerous, prohibitively expensive, and has the potential for making the situation worse.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-23 6:44:47 PM


"You pointed to the US starting Star Wars there. I corrected you. Russians started Star Wars several years earlier"

The Sputnik was certainly an important milestone, but it was no spy satellite, nor was it a revolutionary step. There is no reason to celebrate it as the start of the Star War.

Posted by: Cato | 2007-01-23 7:25:59 PM


Cato,
"The Sputnik was certainly an important milestone, but it was no spy satellite, nor was it a revolutionary step. There is no reason to celebrate it as the start of the Star War."

The first vehicle to achieve space flight was not a revolutionary step?

The first satellite proving military satellites were feasible was not a revolutionary step?

The first rocket to demonstrate the viability of ICBMs capable of delivering their newly found thermonuclear bombs was not a revolutionary step?

The Americans started Star Wars even though the Russians captured the high ground first?

They certainly used the telemetry from this first for military purposes.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-23 7:35:59 PM


There is a vast difference between target practice and actually going about world domination.

When I first read about the work, I thought about the same thing as D.J. And then it occurred to me, that sometimes thre are non-violent or non-warfare reasons for firing a satelite out of orbit. Especially if it is one placed there with nuclear warheads, by some freaked out anti-Zionist islamofacists.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-23 8:19:27 PM



Take a .22 cal rifle in the woods and shoot cans and bottles is called plinking.

The Chinese are plinking in space. This is not good.

It's part of the pissing contest that goes on between nations. Eventually shit happens.

Sorry about the potty metaphors.

Posted by: Duke | 2007-01-23 8:33:56 PM


It's a demonstration of Chinese capabilities in an asymetrical space war. Crude, primitive (1985 tech), and deliberately threatening.

Posted by: weaponizationofspace! | 2007-01-23 9:57:19 PM


I find the French candidate of France, named Royal, the one who has made her position known on her desires for a sovereign Quebec, to be of greater threat to Canada, than China out there plinking.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-24 11:00:31 AM


If there's a bright side to China's satellite stunt, it's that we shouldn't have to hear any more negative BS from useful idiots like Jack Layton about SDI and the so-called "weaponization of space".

Posted by: Larry | 2007-01-24 11:27:06 AM


Nice thought, but taliban jack is uncomfortable being against China, no matter what she does, because he gets excited around complete concepts of socialism. He would rather make a stand against a little country like Israel, rather than go anywhere near attacking his first love by siding with the importance of w of s.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-24 1:33:11 PM


> Especially if it is one placed there with nuclear > warheads, by some freaked out anti-Zionist
> islamofacists.

Are they now building Rocket Launchramps in caves that are capabal of reaching Geo-Sync Orbit? Or is this just your usual paranoia welling up again?

Or to paraphrase you from another threat:

"Got Proof?"

I am with Cato on this one, btw, why is this such a surprise, the Americans have the capabiilties, the Russians do and sooner or later the Europeans will too. Satellites provide a huge advantage on the battlefield, it eliminates the fog of war and any General who wouldn't want the ability to blind his opponent is an idiot.

On that tangent, if anybody here thinks the west can continue to ignore China and keep onto your riches you may want to take a second look. We in the West need China already way more than they need us.

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2007-01-24 2:43:02 PM


snow asked:

"Are they now building Rocket Launchramps in caves that are capabal of reaching Geo-Sync Orbit? Or is this just your usual paranoia welling up again?"

Given that North Korea is sharing its missile/nuke technology with terror-sponsor Iran, I'd pick the former.

As far as China, who said anything about ignoring them??? And I'd disagree that we need them more than they need us, unless you think we're facing a critical shortage of low-quality consumer goods.

Posted by: Larry | 2007-01-24 3:28:52 PM


Snowrunner

"I am with Cato on this one, btw, why is this such a surprise, the Americans have the capabiilties, the Russians do and sooner or later the Europeans will too. Satellites provide a huge advantage on the battlefield, it eliminates the fog of war and any General who wouldn't want the ability to blind his opponent is an idiot."

So the weaponization of space is fine with you. Am I reading this correctly?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-24 3:44:34 PM


Snowrunner,
Additionally, I believe the Europeans could have this capability tomorrow if they wanted to but you are correct that it may be inevitable.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-24 3:57:53 PM


Satellites gone clear up to Mars, soon all be full of parking cars...

Posted by: lou reed | 2007-01-26 2:36:43 PM



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