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Sunday, January 28, 2007
Hezbollah banned in Canada
Sun Media reports on a Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) report from last year where they worried about potential Hezbollah generated violence in Canada during the Lebanon-Israel war. I had to laugh at this bit:
Although the movement is banned in Canada, the report states Hezbollah partisans here would continue to collect money “through legitimate sources or by means of financial frauds, traffic counterfeit identity cards, contraband cigarettes, etc.” (Calgary Sun)
Meanwhile in downtown Calgary:
Of more interest - here is a video of a supporter wrapped in a Hezbollah flag dancing on the war memorial where the rally was held.
None of what I seen that day seemed to bother the Calgary police even though in May of 2005 it was reported that there was huge amounts of money being shuffled through organized crime to terrorist groups in the middle east from Calgary. I guess the police were just being sensitive. (c/p dust my broom)
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"I t j c d i t w n h"
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-28 10:31:08 AM
If having a protest with the terrorist flag of Hezbollah prominently displayed happened in Toronto, I would not be surprised. Ontarians are violently racist, anti-Semitic and vicious to just about anyone who doesn't fit in with them.
But this happened in Calgary. I am embarrassed. Even worse, it happened at the War Memorial, where we honor our own who gave their lives for freedom. These terrorist monsters have desecrated the memorial. It must not happen again.
We Albertans are for freedom, democracy and peace - unlike the Ontario people who say they do on one hand, yet make handsome profits off war contractors (i.e. General Dynamics Land Systems in London, ONTARIO which builds Stryker armored vehicles for the US Army and LAV-25s for the USMC, to name only one example.)
The next time there's a protest like this, it must be confronted.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-01-28 1:06:52 PM
ZP your comments although sound is like blowing in the wind. We've had our day, may as well get with the times!
Posted by: Frico | 2007-01-28 1:15:00 PM
The worst terrorist organization in the ME is the State of Israel. However, given the Zionists' firm grip on the media in North America, it is not probably, that any serious attempts would be initiated to do something against those terrorists.
Posted by: Cato | 2007-01-28 1:17:00 PM
"The worst terrorist organization in the ME is the State of Israel. However, given the Zionists' firm grip on the media in North America, it is not probably, that any serious attempts would be initiated to do something against those terrorists.
If the jews can do it then why not Hezbollah.
"I t j c d i t w n h"
Bang on! Thanks for not disappointing.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-28 2:03:30 PM
General Dynamics bought General Motors Electric Diesel Locomotive Plant founded in 1928 London Ontario in 1997 to produce Armoured Fighting and Logistics Vehicles for the Canadian and US Armed Forces. The papers were signed by both companies in the Officers Mess Wolseley Barracks London Ontario, formerly for many years the Depot HQ of the Royal Canadian Regiment (RCR) But the real point is how is Canada and it's politicians going to control Hezbollah operating in Canada, where I suspect many Lebanese Canadian investment and projects are secured with Hezbollah (Iranian) funds. I suspect much Hezbollah money is in Alberta and we suspect Halifax Nova Scotia, and Ontario plus for sure Muslim Dominated Quebec. MacLeod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-01-28 2:04:07 PM
Profiling Muslims? So What? From a pilot's point of view...
This is the most profound, most insightful message to Muslims I've seen.
I think it should be read on Fox, sent to the President, and forwarded to any
other form of media to express what so many of us feel toward the Muslims!
The paper stated today that some Muslim doctor is saying we are profiling
him because he has been checked three times while getting on an airplane.
Here's a proposed response:
(A Letter From An American Airlines Pilot) This well spoken man, who is a
pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart beautifully ...read,
absorb and pass on....it's time to get answers from those who claim their
terrorist members do not represent them...why are their leaders not LOUDLY AND
FIERCELY AND CO NTINUOUSLY condemning their visible murderous brethren.
YOU WORRY ME!
By American Airlines Pilot - Captain John Maniscalco
"I've been trying to say this since 9-11 but you worry me. I wish you
didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that
your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy
in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries
I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands,
professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens
and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their
grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their
On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my
country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally
stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them
into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise
grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless
public servants, and children's mothers.
The Palestinians Celebrated, The Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the
Arab world. So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be
consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of
these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to
protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know
how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.
How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim-Americans and the
Arab/Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our
parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution,
while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors
and children? The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my
responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL
of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults.
It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.
I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not
you love America . Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly
display it in front of your house, or on your car?
Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation,
that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it
in one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation
affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of
patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve
this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America ? If this is
your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.
Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this
time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a
community and as a religion to protect the United States of America .
Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because
I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of
condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is
unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy... I am only
interested in action. What will you do for America - our great country -- at
this time of crisis, at this time of war?
I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I
want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America " I want to see young
Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money,
time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a
whole. The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the
WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You
know them. You know where they are.
Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this
sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community
close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted
armed security guards at your facilities.
You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from
The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media
were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure
that the United States proves who was responsible before taking action. They
seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence
directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with
supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein,
Farrakhan, and Arafat.
If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for
all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from
popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the
Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical
interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance?
It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's
Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a
degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over
and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence,
death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around
the world. A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day
after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets
around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American
flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a
peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of
America, the cou ntry of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that
their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security
checkpoints, in the name of Islam.
Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show
their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and
your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate
Christmas? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended
Israel , the ONLY FRIENDLY CIVILIZED SOCIETY in the Muslim/Arab area, that
thinks and acts like most Americans.
And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you
even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace
and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to leave.. I want
you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and
dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to
your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your
influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion.
We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that
matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the
greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab/ Muslim in
this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true
citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of
thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution
that is protecting you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know!
I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, As a fellow American.
But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it
is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand." "Until then, you worry me."
LET'S COVER THE COUNTRY WITH THIS ONE
----- End forwarded message -----
Posted by: woodbridge | 2007-01-28 4:45:26 PM
And the same goes for those in Canaa and even more so in Canada.
Posted by: woodbridge | 2007-01-28 4:48:40 PM
AS THE LEFT CONSTANTLY SAYS- ALL CULTURES ARE EQUAL[[[Below are news headlines of TODAY - TODAY - JUST TODAY
SANAA, Yemen (Reuters) -- Six Yemeni soldiers were killed and 20 were wounded when Shi'ite Muslim rebels waged rare attacks on state forces in the northern province of Saada, a government official said on Sunday
NAJAF, Iraq (CNN) -- A battle between U.S.-backed Iraqi troops and insurgents raged into Monday morning after Iraqi officials said they foiled a plot to attack pilgrims and kill leading clerics in the Shiite Muslim holy city.
The 'Shiite pope'
During the years of attacks by Sunni Arab insurgents, al-Sistani has been seen as a moderate who speaks against violent reprisals.
His killing "would really plunge Iraq and possibly the rest of the region into a bloodbath," said Vali Nasr, a professor at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School and author of "The Shia Revival," a recent book on the rise of the Shiites.
"Ayatollah Sistani is the most revered and the most followed Shiite spiritual leader," Nasr told CNN. "He is like the Shiite pope.
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) -- Pakistani police were on high alert in Peshawar on Sunday, as more than 2,000 people gathered for funerals of a police chief and fellow officers among 15 victims of a suicide bomb attack in the northwestern city.
About 30 people were wounded in the blast on Saturday evening, that went off shortly before Shiite Muslims, observing their holiest month of Moharram, were to begin a procession in the heart of North West Frontier Province's capital.
GAZA CITY (CNN) -- In the third consecutive day of violence between Hamas and Fatah, security sources said gunmen tried to kill the bodyguard of a top aide to Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, and a top Hamas figure was kidnapped in front of a video news crew.
The fighting killed 25 Palestinians, including a bystander and an 11-year-old boy in Beit Lahiya, northern Gaza, security sources said.
Five of the deaths occurred over Saturday night.
Pakistani Train Passengers Electrocuted
By ZARAR KHAN
The Associated Press
Sunday, January 28, 2007; 1:10 PM
KARACHI, Pakistan -- Dozens of people sitting on the roof of a crowded passenger train were by hit by an overhead power line in southern Pakistan on Sunday. As many as 11 people were killed and scores injured.
Those killed and injured were either electrocuted or tossed from the moving train after they hit the high voltage line, said Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, Pakistan's railway minister.
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Ahmed, speaking by telephone from Brussels where he was on an official visit, said 11 people died in the accident near the town of Sukkur in Pakistan's southern Sindh province.
Salahuddin Haider, a spokesman for the Sindh provincial government, said 10 bodies were taken to hospitals in Sukkur and the nearby town of Shikarpur, and "scores" of other people were injured in the accident.
Many of the passengers sitting on the train's roof were Shiite Muslims who were traveling to attend a religious gathering, said Ahmed Khan, a railroad official in Sukkur. Khan said the train was crowded and those who could not get inside clambered to the roof.
Some of those on the roof carried religious flags and other symbols that apparently struck the overhead electricity line, he said.
Moharram procession disrupted in Kashmir
Srinagar, Jan 28, IRNA
Police in Kashmir fired tear gas shells and used batons against mourners who had defied government restrictions and taken out a major traditional procession in memory of martyrs of Karbala Sunday.
Nearly fifty mourners were injured in the police action and over hundred were detained.
Earlier senior Shia leader Maulana Abbas Ansari was placed under house arrest. Abbas had called for the defiance terming government ban on mourning procession as interference in the religious affairs of Muslims.
According to reports, thousands of Shia Muslims, carrying 'Alam' or symbolic standard of Abul Fazl Al-Abbas (AS) early Sunday assembled in Srinagar city center, Badshah Chowk.
Soon the gathering chanting 'Ya Hussain' turned into a procession.
Eye witnesses said, riot police immediately swung into action and began beating up mourners with bamboo sticks.
Police also hurled scores of tear gas shells at the mourners
Posted by: woodbridge | 2007-01-28 8:55:27 PM
Poor Cato has not a clue as to the meaning of a terrorist organization. He like others of his kind is outraged that those bloody Jews do not simply go meekly to slaughter like lambs, and instead insist on defending themselves. What cheek!
News flash to those thinking the same. Better start studying up to convert to Islam, because even should Israel not exist along with every single Jew, jihad is coming to your home town.
Posted by: Alain | 2007-01-28 11:30:43 PM
I cannot determine exactly what Muslims contribute to our Country Canada by residing here, complete with their ancient and illogical hatreds, their assimilation with death and "life beyond death"
and their constant anger which can be instantly
ignited totally out of control with devestating results. Now in Gaza the Muslim "brothers" are busy killing each other, which could easily extend to Canada. Exactly what is the Legal status of the mercenary Army of God Hezbollah which is a creation of Iran whose government funds it and directs it's hostile and murderous attacks on Israel and Allied troops in Irag and the Middle East. The fact is they are deadly enemies who must be controlled, isolated and expelled from Canada
and particularly from the Canadian Province of Quebec. MacLeod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-01-29 3:44:58 AM
We have in our midst Hezbollah, as well as other extreme factions of the Muslim faith, but, we also have the ones who cover and isolate themselves from our society while enjoying our comforts and safety. It's called shunning. It's not healthy for a cohesive society even though we do enable them with our Multicultural Law, the biggest mess ever enacted in our entire history. It must be dis-enacted if we are to have a Country at all.
We had many Canadians of convenience flee to this Country from Lebanon on our dime in their last big dust-up, many sympathizers to the Hezbollah cause. Many, if not all of them have returned, it's their real "home".
Let them stay and fight their battles there. We are living in a modern Democracy, it will never fit with their ideology.
They are stuck in the middle ages, let's not be stuck on stupid by giving the terrorists among them safe haven. It's also safe haven for the wives and children of many who are off fighting battles in their "Homelands".
Long past time to smarten up.
Posted by: Liz J | 2007-01-29 6:27:52 AM
Didn;t Taloban Jack or some other Lib-dipper MP march with these terrorist supporters on Montreal? If so is that not a direct violation of their oath as an MP...supporting enemies of the nation??
Where's CSIS when you really need them?
Posted by: Wlyonmackenzie | 2007-01-29 8:06:02 AM
I wonder how much of this terrorist groups actions are funded by the sale of cigs from the SN reserve?...I also wonder why the SN enterprises is not shut down for selling contriband to terror supporting organizations.....then again I wonder why they have not been arrested for illegally occupying public property in Caledonia with no legal leg to stand on for the past year?
Guess the rule of law doen't apply to charter section 15 minorities any more...does section 15 (2) give legal immunity?
Posted by: Wlyonmackenzie | 2007-01-29 8:16:07 AM
Canadian Intelligence and Security Service complete with their fancy lapel pins are considered politically motivated and incompetent by many genuine Allied security and Intelligence Agencies
- they will have a lot to answer for (again) as the Maher Arar ripoff starts to unravel. My opinion is that Arar was/is an Agent of Hizbollah in Canada
and was not detained in his native Country Syria
much less tortured. His case was decided in the media which historically CSIS has been scared shitless of. Eventually the Arar File will be fully documented in a series of "jeez we got sucked in on that story" mea culpa's by Canadian Media whose primary function is to lie and distort
-just happened to catch Citoyen "Dion" on the tube
which looked like "Pinocchio meets the Witches of Eastwick' Dion and Layton will be trotting out Arar soon complete with Syrian translation MacLeod
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2007-01-29 8:46:23 AM
This country is in serious decline. Its moral fabric has been reduced with the introduction of the liberal's concept of the so called Act of 'Rights & Freedom'. Until this sacred cow is expunged or considerably altered, eradicating the present Islamic threat will be nigh to impossible. Adopting a policy which Australia advocates ' If you don't like it here, please feel free to leave- otherwise obey our laws' would be a strong message to the whole world and a step in the right direction; not to add: "a breath of fresh air".
Posted by: Frico | 2007-01-29 8:50:51 AM
Yes but unrestricted immigration has the effect of 'muddying the waters'
Multiculturalism,as practiced in Canada has the net effect of making everything valid and when married to its first cousin Political Correctness,we end up with a set of shackles that encumbers rational thinking ,there by reducing the sum of all to crippling emotionalism.
This HAS to change: We must implement a more precise code of conduct within our charter for if not then we will surly fall.
The simple analogical test is that of continually pouring ink into water: At what point does it stop being water and instead take on the properties of ink in both consistency and appearance?
Posted by: Simon | 2007-01-29 10:53:30 AM
There's a little town in Québec called Hérouxville. After the discussions on religious accomodations following the Quebec polls on the subject, this town have dicided to inscribe in their chart a new code relating to this problem that concern everyone here.
So now in Hérouxville, you cannot go publictly with your face fully covered (unless it's halloween), Christmas trees in public places are not negociable, Men and women receive medical treatments in THE SAME WAY, and boys n' gals are going swimming in the SAME POOLS.
We had heard of this last satudray and since then, the city had receive more than 2000 emails from around the world. 80% of the letters received were strongly in favor of this town actions.
Now, I'm sending this to let you know that the Province of Quebec is and will be more a part of the solution than the problem on this issue.
Giving yourself a stong identity as a town or country is a sign of self respect and new commers will respect that. If they'Re not willing to accept how goes public life in Canada...there's no point in staying inna country that dosent fit with your beleifs.
But, there's a huge difference giving tools of self-respect and pure xenophobia. There's a lot of this in this blog and I know this wont help...
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-29 11:28:45 AM
Your name, it is Pickton, no?
You are an anti-Semite.
When Jews defend themselves, this upsets you.
Israel is a nation that yearns for peace. There is plurality in Israel.
Whereas in Hisbollah, there is only one religion, and one race.
There will be peace in the middle east, when all the terrorists disarm.
The IRA has done exactly what all terrorist groups should do, and that is, live peacefully with everyone. Only then will it be a possiblity that nations, such as Israel, will not have to be so aggressive with terrorists.
You cannot stop terrorists with a lolipop.
You can only stop terrorists, by putting up walls that terrorists cannot climb over, fire over, or move to where the object of their wrath lives in peace.
So, Cato, have you given up your Hisbollah membership yet?
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-29 11:58:56 AM
Marc, congratulations to your town, we should ALL in Canada be holding your town up as a shining example as what we all need to be doing.We need to establish a strong identity as Canadians, and not as terrorist lovers. Our media should be flooding their readers with Captain John M's letter. We should be as proud of our nation as the Americans are.
Posted by: Freedom of speech | 2007-01-29 2:35:30 PM
Freedom of speech,
If you had also added "not as muslims haters", I would have been 100% with you. Again, the line is pretty tin between "self-respect as a nation" and pure xénophobia.
Being proud of our Nation as the Americans are...I'm with you. But that dosent mean to accept any crap our gvts are filling us with...
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-29 3:10:18 PM
I say, it is time to reform the treason laws.
May I suggest the following four categories?
1.Treason is the category of acts which "impair the sovereignty" of the State
2. the category of acts which "impair the integrity" of the State
3. the category of acts under whereby an individual or group give assistance to an "enemy" in war against the State, which the Law specifically states includes a terrorist organization;
4. the category of acts in section 100 which evince an intention or resolve to commit one of the acts prohibited and outlawed.
Problem with the current laws, is they lack teeth.
All those convicted of treason, ought to be able to spend the rest of their lives with the sisters, without any chance of parole whatsoever! And, as far North as possible!
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-29 3:58:57 PM
"There are no immigrants in Hérouxville"...
Are you willing to bet good money on that, ebt?
See, I'm a good poker player; but not a great bluffer. It's been a while since you've been in Quebec or in fact you never went 5 miles from your mother's home ?
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-29 4:30:47 PM
Hérouxville is aside with Trois-Rivières.
In Trois-Rivières, you can have a free world tour just by looking at the youngest generations. Still, all these great kids think and speak "en Québecois" and love the freedom we live in. That have nothing to do with religious accomodations who can sometimes hurt the majority. You don't want to see a town in Canada who puts in their books that "excision" would'nt be permited within their city's borders ?
Sorry but here, we will not wait after the federal gvt to secure our culture of freedom.
You're a pretty stupid person if living in Canada in 2007 and not acknoledge that the "religious mix" is here for good.
A Quebec's town has gave itself tools to assure a logic and up-to-date future. You think this is a joke ?
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-29 4:50:25 PM
Is critisizing the positions of Israel is an act of Canadian treason ?
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-29 5:09:05 PM
Problem with the English language, Marc? Lady is clearly writing about Canada. Oh, I forgot how Jews hence Israel are a bug-a-boo for many Quebecers.
Posted by: Alain | 2007-01-29 5:40:09 PM
Is critisizing the positions of Israel is an act of Canadian treason ?"
Why do you ask this? I fail to see how Lady's criticizing Hezbollah and those who rationalize its reign of terror (Hi Cato) and then her writing a separate post on the inadequancy of Canadian treason laws somehow, magically, equates to calling the criticism of Israel as a treasonous affair.
Here, I'll do it right now. I doubt Lady will call me a traitor.
"Israel is not perfect. It kills people, occasionally, who did not threaten it. It doesn't always convict the right person in a crime. It contains people who are discriminated against on the basis of their race, religion, etc. and people who do the discrimination. Sometimes people go hungry or are inadequately employed. It makes bad decisions on occasions with respect to its neighbours. "
Should I continue? There are more.
However, I have even less time to list all the great things she has given the world. Things that far outweigh the bad. I just won't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Lady, I beg your understanding.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-29 6:00:50 PM
Sorry guys, tought she was writing about the rallies in Canada this summer. Since she was arguing with fury with anyone who has a opinion about Israel actions; wrongfully calling Quebecers of anti-semitisme since then. Clearly, I was wrong and I stand corrected. Still, Alain here is doing is a good example of what I was trying to say.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-29 7:13:05 PM
Well now Marc I can say that I speak from experience in la belle province. Although French is my first language, I gladly left there due to the racism and xenophobia experience and witnessed by me, my wife and children. I also know many others, even from France, who chose to leave for the same reasons. As to the traditional anti-Semitism there, which never died, it is well documented. In fact it was due to pressure from la belle province that Canada refused entry of any Jews fleeing the Nazis.
Having said this, I am also well aware that there some Quebecers who do not share these traits, although sadly they are a small minority - especially when it comes to Jews. But let us not forget the true meaning of "pure laine" which excludes all outsiders even from la belle France.
Posted by: Alain | 2007-01-29 11:06:28 PM
Multiculturalism, Charter Rights and toss in our penchant for political correctness and we have a recipe for disaster of our own making.
If we are willing to give up our way of life and many of our customs to appease those with whom we have little or no history, we stand for nothing.
It really can't be blamed on immigrants, it's our own call, we are allowing it to happen.
We have enough on our plates with our continuing battles over things like abortion, same sex marriage without tossing in something like Sharia law.
Never heard of Herouxville, but they seem to be taking a page from Australia, kudos to both.
What's wrong with telling it like it is?
Posted by: Liz J | 2007-01-30 7:10:39 AM
"As to the traditional anti-Semitism there, which never died, it is well documented. In fact it was due to pressure from la belle province that Canada refused entry of any Jews fleeing the Nazis."
Posted by: Alain | 29-Jan-07 11:06:28 PM
Although I agree with your first sentence here, Canada refused entry to Jewish refugees because the philosophy of Eugenics was all the rage at the time. In fact, although it was a primary component of Nazi philosophy, Eugenics, unlike Nazism, has not been adequately discredited and many laws which were passed earlier in the 20th century in Canada which were motivated by the eugenic outlook are still on the books or have been upgraded but still reflect the eugenic view.
William Lyon Mackenzie King
"While Minister of Labour, King was appointed to investigate the causes of and claims for compensation resulting from the 1907 Asiatic Exclusion League riots in Vancouver's Chinatown and Japantown. One of the claims for damages came from Chinese opium manufacturers, which led King to investigate the drug scene in Vancouver. King became alarmed upon hearing that white women were also opium users, not just Chinese men, and he then initiated the process that led to the first legislation outlawing narcotics in Canada, effectively an attempt to save white women from the Yellow Peril.
King hoped an outbreak of war in the 1930s could be averted and he therefore supported the appeasement policies of the British. He met with Adolf Hitler who, he remarked in his journal, came across as "a reasonable and caring man ... who might be thought of as one of the saviors of the world." Telling a Jewish delegation that Kristallnacht "might turn out to be a blessing," he refused to allow Jewish refugees who were attempting to leave Nazi Germany entry into Canada.
Despite pledges of support from Canada's Jewish community, in June 1939 King also refused to allow the 900 desperate Jewish refugees aboard the passenger ship M.S. St. Louis refuge in Canada (as did Cuba, the United States, and Britain). When asked how many Jews would be allowed to immigrate immediately after World War II, one of King's civil servants, Frederick Charles Blair, famously quipped that "none is too many".
"While it might be tempting to blame Blair, it was King who said he wanted to "keep this part of the continent free from unrest and from too great an intermixture of foreign strains of blood."
So you see, Alain, with the Prime Minister and his advisiors already against the Jews, Quebec's anti-semitism was not an important factor.
Posted by: Speller | 2007-01-30 7:23:16 AM
1. Being a "pure laine" isnt an arrogant term. People who are "pure laine" arent supperior to anyone in their spirits: It's just a word to definite the french canadians locals who are the children of French decendants, you moron. I lived in Costa Rica for a while...am I angry cause I'm not consider a "Tico"? euh...non.
2. The fact that one new commer is a french speaking person isnt enough to fit perfectly with the Quebecers. Many friends of mine went to France for stages in the hostellerie business and they had a lot of "go back to your igloo you french canadian!". Do I hold all France's people to be racists towards us? euh...no. Maybe a bit arrogants but nothing more.
2. Speaking of Trois-Rivière: Isnt that the first region in Canada to named a Jewish person to represent them ?
3. You can keep bs*itting everybody here about Quebec xenophobia but I'm wondering what is worst in today's reality : Being a Jewish person in Montreal or being a muslim in the ROC ?
In conclusion Alain: You didnt fit inna Quebec society...fine. You and I are both glad you went away. But according to the 3 millions of Quebecers who arent "pure laine" and who love living here...what's your excuses ?
Also, Last time I've check, there was 85000 jewish in Quebec making it one of the greatest land for Jews in Canada. How do you explain that ?
By constatly bashing at Quebec society as "anti-semites" like you people do or like anglo "journalists" keep doing...maybe your silly dreams will come true one day. People are starting to be fed up with that stupid rethoric.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-30 10:12:41 AM
Forget-about apples and oranges -- you mix meat and wood and call it delish -- so I can expect no less from you on your provocation.
The question is whether the criticism is legitimate, or a cover for a cry to do genocide. This would be true of ANY country.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-30 10:30:38 AM
I understand very well.
And the same thing could be said of Canada.
Canada is not perfect. It kills people, occasionally, who did not threaten it. It doesn't always convict the right person in a crime. It contains people who are discriminated against on the basis of their race, religion, etc. and people who do the discrimination. Sometimes people go hungry or are inadequately employed. It makes bad decisions on occasions with respect to its neighbours.
BUT, as with Israel, Canadians are free to vote according to our conscience.
We are free to choose our own futures.
We women are free to work and choose whatever career they want.
And, we women are free to marry whom we choose to marry.
We women are free to have as many or as few children, or no children, if that is our choice (even though my opinion is that our birth-rate is too low).
I could go on.
And how about gays? In Canada, as in Israel, gays are not sliced and diced, as they are in many of the countries that demand submission.
And, how about other religions.
In Canada, as in Israel, we are free to worship whatever we want. (Well, except on the temple mount, where only one religion dominates, and it is not Judaism or Christianity, or any other religion but Islam at this point in time.
In Canada, as in Israel, citizens can own property.
In Canada, as in Israel, citizens can come and go as they/we please.
In Canada, as in Israel, there is a secular government, with elected officials, from a fair representation of the population. Well, there are differences of opinion on whether it is fair in Canada, but we are free to bridge the fairness gap. (In my opinion, we Westerners are discriminated against, in relation to fair representation in our government....
In Canada, as in Israel, the people are plural, come from all over the world, and agree that no matter what their differences, there is one law which they all agree to abide by. This does not mean that there are no disagreements, and differences of opinion, as there are many. In Canada, as in Israel, we are free to disagree, free to associate, free to learn, free to read whatever we want, free to do whatever we want with respect to the laws that govern our nation.
Same as in Israel. Free to debate what is right, what is wrong, and what is good and proper.
And that debate, in that respectful format, with respect to the right to the nation to exist, with fair and equal consideration, to do to others as one would expect of one's self, and to defend one's people from unfair murder and discrimination -- only that is possible in a democracy that respects freedom, liberty, and if you will, a situation where every person can pursue, from their natage point, the good life.
That is not possible in many nations around the world, where religious individuals will trunps all others, as dictators, applying cruel and unusual treatment to the people.
But you cannot include Canada, or Israel, in that formula. To do that, would not be legitimate.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-30 10:48:30 AM
Thanks Speller for stating more of the facts. Sorry if I left the impression that anti-Semitism was limited to Quebec at the time. It was nonetheless more wide spread and more entrenched in Quebec and remains so.
Posted by: Alain | 2007-01-30 4:28:20 PM
If you do a search you will find a Canadian book that has four essays, or chapters, called antiSemitism in Canada. Yes, the title does not have a hyphen in the word anti-Semitism.
It contains a view on the history of Anti-Semitism in Canada, in part only.
When you read the chapter on Quebec, it is clear the root of Anti-Semitism in la Belle Province, has its origins in a particular manner that is not unlike the same version in France, if you know what I mean.
And it distinctly show how it is that Jews settled in specific places in Montreal.
Very interesting book, in the sense of the topic that it covers, however a tad dry at times.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-30 4:43:17 PM
"And the same thing could be said of Canada."
I concur. Good and bad.
And I include
The United States of America.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-30 7:52:26 PM
Good thing you agree.
And you can also include all of the western world, for that matter. But good and bad is not limited to the western world. We read about the bad things that go on in socialist nations, as well, in spite of how the ndp would love it so very very much, that people were paid the same, and everything was free of charge.
You see the article on PMSH, on Kyoto?
I do agree with the knowledge that Kyoto is nothing but a scheme to get money out of our pockets, and into the hands of despotes!
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-30 8:26:38 PM
At the Stephane Dion town hall meeting in Calgary, there were two plants for the Hezbollah in the audience -- a man and a woman. They both got to ask a question, unfortunately, in heavily accented Arab English.
They were trying to set a trap for Dion, asking him whether he would unfreeze the funds for Hezbollah and whether he was willing to impose sanctions on Israel.
He steered clear of giving a straight answer -- and rightly so -- but just thought to myself then that this was another example of why we have to be extremely careful about ethnic voters who keep pushing their own interests, rather than those of CANADA.
Posted by: Werner Patels | 2007-01-30 8:54:33 PM
"this was another example of why we have to be extremely careful about ethnic voters who keep pushing their own interests, rather than those of CANADA"
Do you mean, that Muslims too will issue a "position paper on the election", like the Canadian Jewish Congress did, based on *Israel's* interest, not on *Canada's*?
Posted by: Cato | 2007-01-30 9:08:16 PM
"Do you mean, that Muslims too will issue a "position paper on the election", like the Canadian Jewish Congress did, based on *Israel's* interest, not on *Canada's*?"
Muslim, Jewish, whatever! As long as it is in Canada's interest and not by some group of murdering, butchering, do nothing, low life terrorists like Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah, or any Iranian mullah or Ahmadinejad wannabe.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-30 9:57:53 PM
It is very clear that some of the interests of Israel, are the very same as Canadian interests.
It is so very clear, that all of Hisbollah's interests have nothing in common with Canadian interests.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-30 11:14:40 PM
Thanks Lady. I actually read the book found in our library system. I recall also reading in French as excellent book done by a French Canadian female journalist (who wrote, perhaps still does, for Le Devoir). I cannot recall her name at present but she is as 'pure laine' as they come. Anyway her book was on an extensive research she had done on anti-Semitism in Quebec - present more than past. She did an excellent job of exposing it.
Yes, you are right about the same situation existing in France and it is much worse today than when I lived there.
Thank you also h2o273kk9 for pointing out the ridiculous (but not surprising) attempt by Cato to compare terrorist lobby groups and organization to the CJC. If the CJC or any group had an agenda for Canada's destruction, then Cato's remarks would have value. Perhaps he also thinks that pro-family organizations, who do the same as CJC, are the same as terrorists. Complete rubbish naturally.
Posted by: Alain | 2007-01-30 11:39:52 PM
Yes Alain, and they also like to say that just because they elect, or have some kind of process that mimics democracy, that they are beyond reproach.
Nice try, of course, but that thing about firing rockets directly into civilian locations, with no legitimate military target or right to do so, OR doing suicide bombings, simply does not fit the same criteria as lobby groups.
If they had no fire-arms, (NONE WHATSOEVER), and debated and lobbied, without making threats of violence, and were completely unrelated to any group that did that, then perhaps they could be on a level as per lobby groups. Since they are an organization that exists for the purpose of doing violence (in the hopes that good may come, but never does) they are terrorists.
Posted by: Lady | 2007-01-31 8:44:25 AM
"I actually read the book found in our library system. I recall also reading in French as excellent book done by a French Canadian female journalist (who wrote, perhaps still does, for Le Devoir). I cannot recall her name at present but she is as 'pure laine' as they come. Anyway her book was on an extensive research she had done on anti-Semitism in Quebec - present more than past. She did an excellent job of exposing it."
...She did such an excellent job that you forgot not only the title of her book, but also her name.
Again Alain: you're just a great exemple of the ROC's failure to tarnish Quebecers as evil people.
But hey, please free to keep sending bs like that in the anglosphere: The more you do, the more stupid right wing westerners like you hate us, the sooner we're gonna be free of that crappy attitude. Vive le Québec libre.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-31 9:00:11 AM
...Yeah but Quebec will never be able to support itself cause...(whinnings, whinnings, whinnings)...
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Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-31 9:14:15 AM
Vive le Rest of Canada libre from wasting $7 billion a year on a bunch of ingrates.
Posted by: Set you free | 2007-01-31 10:30:01 AM
"Vive le Rest of Canada libre"
For once, we agree.
Bunch of ingrates ? Why Set ?
Cause the federal isnt succeeding in trying to buy our silence ? (aka extend colonisation)
The Quebecers reporting the Adscam ?
At the end, we both look for a Canada free of Quebec. Why dont we joins togheter to acheive this goal Set ?
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-31 10:43:19 AM
No, Marc ... it's about freedom for all from unnecessary taxation.
I'm sure you will agree the $7 billion sent to Quebec is insulting to an independent nation.
Any mature person prefers independence, to be able to pay your own bills.
Until you refuse the equalization payments, your government cannot be considered mature.
Posted by: Set you free | 2007-01-31 10:56:27 AM
Set, I agree.
I'd never been comfortable with those equalization payments. Also, I've never been confortable with fact that our own money is use against us, like in the Adscams.
The reason why Gilles Ducepe is keeping insisting on the equalization payments is because he's playing the game. The rules were put in place by the federal governement to buy votes ans silence here; to make sure Canada can control our people.
Gilles knows that you're tired of hearing us on the matter so it will ease up and accelerate the separation. But one thing for sure: The Quebecois (especially the bloc voters) arent responsible for those problems: You should hit the Federal gvt à la place...
Anyways, here's an angry anglos site were you can all help getting ride of Quebec: canadadivided.com
Posted by: Marc | 2007-01-31 11:14:49 AM
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