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Thursday, January 11, 2007

Clueless & Dangerous

Iran, Syria Denounce Bush's Iraq Plan as do some clueless US Senators

I was watching how some idiot senators like Chuck Hagel, John sKerry, Hitlery Clinton, slow Joe Biden and Turbin Durbin sandbagged Bush, Condi and company yesterday and today over their new strategy in Iraq and I am stunned with the amount of stupidity and cluelessness among them.

None of them are interested in winning this war and none are willing to show resolve in the face of the most brutal enemy of the western civilization since the fall of communism. If the US loses this war on terror thing, it is solely fault of these bunch of clueless politicians whose blind hatred for Bush and America has driven them to side with the enemy. These few senators and representatives are enormously dangerous by being blind in this.

I only have this to say: Shame on you!

Cross-posted @ The Spirit of Man

Posted by Winston on January 11, 2007 in International Affairs | Permalink

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Larry, my bad.

This answers S. Runner.

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Posted by: coldfeet | 2007-01-12 9:00:47 PM


Snowy:
Actually, studies have shown that people on the
right are happier than people on the left...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/22/AR2006022202012.html

Getting back to the basic thrust of the thread, I think that John Robson had a great plan (Plan A) for handling the "exit strategy" that the defeatocrats seem to desire (although _they_ might not agree with this particular exit strategy):
'My plan A that won’t happen is the coalition troops grab their stuff and leave ... through Syria. About 200,000 heavily armed, highly trained, really annoyed U. S. and other coalition troops stomp Bashir Assad’s regime flat, hang a left through Lebanon to demolish Hezbollah, then sail home from Haifa waving a sign saying: “Don’t make us come back and do that again.” I call this plan Caesarean because it’s the sort of thing Imperial Rome would have done to extricate itself from Iraq while inspiring salutary caution in its enemies, especially following the provocative assassination of Pierre Gemayel in Lebanon. But you know it’s not going to happen and you know why.

Far from being the ogre of Michael Moore’s fantasies, the U. S. lacks even the hard- headed sang-froid of imperial Britain, let alone Rome. Everybody knows that the United States is too nice to make examples even of tyrants, just as they all know the U. S., like Israel, is profoundly averse to civilian casualties, while their enemies revel in them. Unfortunately, while we all know who the bad guys are, we have to pretend we don’t to take part in “sophisticated” discussions.'

Read it all here:
http://www.thejohnrobson.com/columns/2006/061215.htm

Posted by: A Different Sean | 2007-01-12 10:06:05 PM


Set you free......... It was never intended to be 500 dollar barrel of oil. The war was only supposed to last a few days and the liberators would be swimming in cheap oil for the foreseeable future,with Haliburton the real winner.
Yikes.......if you think life in Iraq is better now than it was under Sadam , you better change your medication.
.If I had my way I would turn both Iraq and Iran into parking lots and be done with it.

Posted by: peterj | 2007-01-12 10:08:50 PM


Set you free......... It was never intended to be 500 dollar barrel of oil. The war was only supposed to last a few days and the liberators would be swimming in cheap oil for the foreseeable future,with Haliburton the real winner.
Yikes.......if you think life in Iraq is better now than it was under Sadam , you better change your medication.
.If I had my way I would turn both Iraq and Iran into parking lots and be done with it.

Posted by: peterj | 2007-01-12 10:09:55 PM


> studies have shown, that people on the right are
> happier, than people on the left

This is only another form of "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".

Seriously, what is "left" and "right"? Are Americans even at the Washington Post challenged by thinking in more complex terms?

(Simple questions, simple answers, simple tons.)

Posted by: Cato | 2007-01-12 11:55:13 PM


peterj - You've proven your ignorance again.
1st - Try looking at a map of Iraq and then find out the small areas where the problem spots are. Life in Iraq is NOT worse. The problems are in Baghdad and parts of Anwar province. THAT'S ALL. Stop repeating crap you're hearing and find out the real story from people who live throughout Iraq.

2nd - [and this was really the topper]-
You want to turn Iraq and Iran into "parking lots".
We'll have to assume that you wouldn't provide for removing the innocent human beings who are living in those countries first, so you're calling for the annihilation of around 100 million people, including friends and relatives of the writer of this "Clueless & Dangerous" piece.

Like I said before : You're an idiot"

Posted by: Yikes | 2007-01-13 6:19:37 AM


peterj: If the media was showing all the killings during Saddam's reign, as they are showing all the killings now, yes it was definitely worse while Saddam was in power. Unfortunately the media wasn't as interested in doing that then...

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2007-01-13 11:29:20 AM


MarkAlta; And the question is "Why was the msm not interested in these stories about life in Iraq under now dead Saddam?"

The answer is 'the msm follow the money'

The msm can get no money from brutes without guilt so msm stays away from them. Better to concentrate on glob all (s)warming or attack the President of United States. All msm bloodsuckers know that GW Bush has a heart(he cares about other people) problem and that Saddam and KimII are not ever ready to 'pay off' msm thingies for exposing any aberrations or brutal activities. Hence; the pressure the msm puts on GW Bush because with the help of guilt ridden successful people they can destroy the most successful nation the world has ever seen - The United States of America.

The left wingos do not contemplate anything past next year. They seem to be so obsessed with the destruction of people who would help the victims of Dictators that they cannot picture themselves as victims when the Dictators take over. As anyone familiar with any history would know; tyrants often kill their own supporters off first because the supporters want a piece of the Power Pie - see Paule Martin, B. Stronach, etc (Canada), Robespierre, Count Witt, Rommel, Bukharin, Alexander II, Stolypin, Tolstoy, Pasternak (Europe) Che (Cuba) etc.

The people who long for the destruction of GW Bush and the United States of America are fools in the extreme. They will be the first on the shredders list when the thugs win and they will be screeching for people like Duke to help them.

When the money dries up from sensible people who feel remorse for perceived mistakes and actually know how to walk in another person's moccasins, the world will be owned by the evil genius downstairs. God will not be able to help because he gave us all the option to speak up for righteousness when there was still time.

Killing the murderers of innocents is not bad but it does open another door; an issue of our own - Abortion.

Posted by: jema54j | 2007-01-13 1:27:48 PM


Yikes and MarkAlta:

Thanks for pointing out the basic facts to peterj.

I'm getting more and more convinced people are taking memory-erasing drugs to help fuel their delusions.

Posted by: Set you free | 2007-01-13 3:06:03 PM


SYF,

Check out the name of this thread, pretty much sums up the mindset of the left wing bats who post here.

It is disturbing though, to see supposedly well educated young people who are so completely devoid of the facts , and with such a lack of common sense, that they fall for the complete fallacies and rewriting of history perpetrated by the left.

Unimaginable a few decades ago, but more commonplace these days.

Posted by: deepblue | 2007-01-13 3:19:59 PM


Agreed.

There's something about what used to be an education system which has not turned into an indoctrination system.

Anyway, I'm off for the rest of the evening.

Posted by: Set you free | 2007-01-13 3:56:08 PM


jema54:
Good post.
Martin wanted not just a piece of the "Power Pie", he wanted the whole pie.
Funny thing he worked for ten years to get his hands on the pie and in the end it wasn't fit to eat!
We should note his nemesis , le petit gars, is still pulling strings and poor Paul is off picking his wounds. Says a lot about the whole tribe.

Without the United States of America, there would be a very diminished existence for a huge part of the world.
They have on their coinage "In God we Trust" and they mean it. We are the luckiest people on earth to share a border with them.

Posted by: Liz J | 2007-01-13 4:15:19 PM


Snowy,
How could you?

"My cruelty aims towards a lot of posters on here who decry EVERYBODY who does not blindly agree with them and who (if they could) would PROBABLY spit on the person sitting on the street asking for change."

This is just so disrespectful and untrue. I know you have it in your heart to apologize for such an uncharitable characterization of people with whom you disagree.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-13 5:08:53 PM


h2o,
I believe you underestimate the level of frustration,anger and betrayal a lot of these liberal footsoldiers feel as they watch all they have believed being slowly eradicated by a faltering party and yet another inept leader.Add to that the defections and the Gomery II freightrain they can hear in the distance.....we may start seeing suicides the scale of the great market crash.
Lashing out at the very people they feel responsible is a pretty clear symptom of that mindset,even understandable if you think about it.

Of course,none of this excuses vile attacks on others,but you must admit,there is plenty of hatred flying in both directions on these partisan sites.

I will be impressed when I see a con chastise a fellow con or a lib chastise a fellow lib for going too far with vile and hurtful words.That would be taking a gutsy moral stand.

Maybe we could show Harper the ultimate compliment by emulating his impressive stands of morality and challenging all hateful attacks from posters,despite the probable backlash from our own partisan attack dogs.It's so easy to berate a liberal who is fanning the flames of hatred....it takes courage to confront a fellow con dealing the same vile sh*t.

Sorry h2o,I didn't mean to single you out,you just inspired me to express my thoughts on a larger problem.
Have a good evening.

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2007-01-13 9:38:17 PM


CO,
I don't feel singled out in the slightest and I believe what you wrote is more or less correct and there is enough partisan mud and vile attacks going both ways.

"I will be impressed when I see a con chastise a fellow con or a lib chastise a fellow lib for going too far with vile and hurtful words.That would be taking a gutsy moral stand."

I believe this conversation rises to the level of at least moral introspection on this issue. Well done.

Additionally, I have witnessed Vitruvius and others do precisely what you ask. Vit has even challenged or corrected me a few times and I self-corrected where appropriate.

I, myself, have taken Woodbridge to the woodshed a couple of times.

I have also been known to respectfully disagree with a con poster on a point and generally, they will respecfully stand their ground against me. I honour that. For example:

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2006/11/liberal_double_.html#comments

"Mike,
For a conservative or right-winger...that is a stretch. However, as you said the following: ..."
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 17-Nov-06 5:12:36 PM

As to my post to Snowy, I was trying to point out the irony of him verbally spitting on "everybody who does not blindly agree with" him.

In his case, I at least feel it is within his character to recognize this and correct it. There are others here of whom I have no such expectation such is the level of their frustration, hatred, and anger.

Your point is well taken. Please keep up the good work.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-01-14 8:26:09 AM


h2o,
Thanks for taking time to give me some feedback on my thoughts.
It's funny how a good nights sleep and quick reread can affect your perspective but I see I was nevertheless remiss in commending your taking the high road in the first place.
Snowrunner would be wise to accept your offer to do the same and right a wrong.
As a matter of fact,he would be wise to recognise that by retracting such a mean-spirited comment,he would be adding credibility to the POV he is otherwise trying to articulate here.If not,he outs himself as nothing more than yet another narrow-minded poster lost in a forest of partisan bigotry.

Considering the often combative tone of these blogs,you have offered him a rare opportunity to reclaim some credibility.I respect that.

I hope snowrunner does too.

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2007-01-14 9:53:09 AM


Hay Dave Hendershot...do you do business in the US?...do you ebven watch or paly the markets?

You sound like a knee jerk who hasn't a dime to lose by marching lockstep behind partisan branding.

Posted by: Wlyonmackenzie | 2007-01-14 11:44:47 AM


A Different Sean:

I REALLY like your idea for the US' exit strategy being to go through Syria. It's exactly what should happen but won't, thanks to left wing, UN-style "prostration diplomacy" being so in vogue these days.

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"The people who long for the destruction of GW Bush and the United States of America are fools in the extreme. They will be the first on the shredders list when the thugs win and they will be screeching for people like Duke to help them."

-jema54j

Well put!

We ARE at war, and the enemy is Radical Islam. Weak-willed left wing appeasers will indeed be the first to go, as they walk with white flags high and open arms toward our enemy. What they never explain is why tyrants NEVER respond to their plaintive cries for mercy and "understanding".

Posted by: Larry | 2007-01-14 2:52:33 PM


I see the Sun newspapers are doing a series on racism and intolerance.

And, among the examples of racism they give, in the form of a graph that also contains many other references to Islam, is the Pope's recent speech, which contained what somebody in the whatever century said about Islam.

Dunno about you, but when somebody asks me to fill in the blank on: Islam is considered to be among the world's greatest (fill in the blank here), race doesn't come to mind.

Posted by: Set you free | 2007-01-14 7:34:57 PM


SYF:

I agree! Islam is NOT a race. It's surprising to me because the Sun (at least in TO) is not a left leaning paper.

In the last generation, the left has managed to smear just about every common-sense principle we used to have in the name of inclusion, neutrality or whatever.

I think we're seeing the white flag bearers in action, assuring us that "we have nothing to fear from Islam".

Posted by: Larry | 2007-01-15 7:52:37 PM



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