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Monday, December 18, 2006
The Great Left Double Standard
I saw this on the local leftist blog Cathie from Canada
Cathy calls this kid "The Coolest 8 Year Old in the World". I would think that someone like Cathy would find this child cool because she attacks Bill O'Reilly and the Republican Party (as well as usuing bad language, a hallmark of the left). All this child did was regurgitate the brainwash of her lefty handlers... That not cool, that's abuse...
1) Kids like the late Mattie Stepanek are not only cooler, but have contributed more to the world with heatfelt messages of love, than children being taught how to hate. Rest in peace Mattie.
2) If another 8 year old, one that belonged to the Aryan Nations, spouted off about blacks or gays, would that be considered cool? Is coolness defined by the side of hatred the person takes? Both are equally disturbing... ( I deliberately didn't mention brainwashed Palestinian children and their hatred of Israel in the example because some "progressives" would actually find that cool.)
For the record, I find any parent using their kids as political props equally offensive, left or right. Let the kids be kids. They have the rest of their lives to be disappointed in humanity.
I find the headline from Cathie just plain wrong. This poor kid isn't cool... This kid is abused. Wake-up!
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Poor kid, being used as a political pawn by her parents.
Posted by: Johan i Kanada | 2006-12-18 7:35:05 AM
Anyone clear thinking person knows modern Liberalism is a mental disorder, and the extreme far left is simply sick.
This just shows them for what they really are.
Although this is an extreme example the frightening thing is, as most academia has been taken over by the left, as has Hollywood and most of the entertainment industry, most kids are being exposed to this kind of indoctrination on a daily basis.
Society is failing at a fast rate, hard to say whether the decline can even be slowed, much less halted.
One thing for sure, it starts at home.
Posted by: deepblue | 2006-12-18 8:42:42 AM
The leftists are for everything they, themselves, don't preach
Posted by: Winston | 2006-12-18 9:01:00 AM
Well, that about sums it up doesn't it.
Just yesterday a friend of mine who is a high school teacher made the statement " I am afraid of the future". When I asked what he meant he advised that, the moral and educational quality of the children he is teaching today is non existent. He fears we will have no leaders and no qualified workers to take over in his golden years. In simple truth he thinks we are going to hell in a handbasket. This little girl just proves that he is likely right.
Posted by: BDT | 2006-12-18 9:13:55 AM
Moral and educational quality of the children? You idiot. My son's grade 10 science teacher stood up in front of his class last year and said " hail Hitler". Medicine Hat High is full of Nazis (staff). His social teacher informed him that Irish people are all drunks. You're blaming the children? The quality of Canadian teachers is so poor that they have to rig test results to improve their image.
My girlfriend's son was homeschooled after his highschool principal told her that her son was only smart enough to pick up people's garbage. He's making about $40 an hour servicing computers now. He finished top of his class at Devry. The fact that he was the only Asian kid in the school in small town Sask. probably had something to do with the principal's remarks.
Back to the subject, it is wrong to use kids to fight your battles. When the Jehovah's Witness show up and make a cute kid stand in the cold with no coat it just lessens my respect for them. Their message is blurred by this tactic.
Posted by: dan | 2006-12-18 10:03:04 AM
So your son's high school teacher is a lefty who promotes social engineering?
What else is new?
Home schooling is the way to go, for sure.
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-12-18 10:14:19 AM
It's worse than that. He's openly gay. Hitler would have hung him on a meat hook.
Posted by: dan | 2006-12-18 10:23:56 AM
Set you free wrote: Home schooling is the way to go, for sure.
And just how many parents are capable of teaching their children chemistry, physics, biology etc.? I suppose that if you wanted to teach them a foreign language you could give them a set of Berlitz tapes.
Posted by: No Spin Zone | 2006-12-18 10:24:03 AM
Where to start....
First: The girl is an actress playing a role she got paid to play. She is not being brainwashed or used by her parents. Get a grip.
Second: Insofar as there is anything interesting at all in the vid clip, it is the idea of how a band i have never heard of can used the political lunatics on both sides of the spectrum (and, just to be claer, I'm talking about both you, Mike, and Cathie) who are so eager to give them free advertising. I liked the song clip at the end, and I am interested to check out the band now. Advertising works! Well done to whoever came up with the idea. Baiting both the self righteous right and looney left at the same time is a brilliant masterstroke!
Third: "If another 8 year old, one that belonged to the Aryan Nations, spouted off about blacks or gays, would that be considered cool? Is coolness defined by the side of hatred the person takes? Both are equally disturbing." Thw WS does not seem to have any trouble sponsoring hatred spouted off routinely against homosexuals. Perhaps thenext time that happens here we will see a reply from you saying hate is not cool? I won't hold myu breath. Hypocrisy, thy name is Mike.
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-12-18 10:29:56 AM
How many teachers are capable of teaching physics?
I'll re-phrase that. How many Canadian teachers are truly capable of teaching Physics? Apparently not many. Most engineering students come from engineering families, where they can get tutoring to get past the highschool level. Kids who hit highschool cold are out of luck.
Posted by: dan | 2006-12-18 10:34:47 AM
Back to topic.
How is this a double standard? The left has always used children to get their point across. The right has always accused the left of being immoral, and corrupting children. I'd call this video typical.
Posted by: dan | 2006-12-18 10:51:22 AM
Not being a secular progressive, I have never seen an eight year old dressed up like whore before. It's probably normal fair in the world of the Left who like age of consent at 14 or less if possible.
And Mark Logan. I don't know anyone who thinks that children singing Aryan nation songs would be cool.
However, a lot of SPs obviously think this little slut/pawn is very cool.
Logan your name is sickness.
Posted by: Duke | 2006-12-18 11:05:45 AM
That kid's parents need a damn good beating.
Posted by: Ralph Rattfuc | 2006-12-18 11:06:35 AM
My nephew was an extra in a Disney movie when he was 8. He made $300. His career never really took off, but he turned into a hopeless lefty.
Posted by: dan | 2006-12-18 11:12:32 AM
Earth to Duke ... come in Duke ....
"And Mark Logan. I don't know anyone who thinks that children singing Aryan nation songs would be cool."
(1) You might have missed that Mike is the one who asked the question about kids supporting Aryan Nations, not me. Try reading more carefully, K?
(2) I don't know anyone who thinks it would be cool, but a lot of WSers think gay bashing is cool, as proved by this blog.
(3) Who said anything about "children singing Aryan nation songs"? No one mentioned songs until you did. Perhaps you are letting your interest in Prussian Blue show ( Website: http://www.prussianbluestore.com/ Picture: http://thepulseblog.chattablogs.com/archives/hts-thumb.jpg ). The girls are 14, too. So maybe that ties into your age of consent comment? A psychiatrist would have a field day with your post!
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-12-18 11:22:07 AM
I don't see how, Mark, you can make a statistical conclusion on the behaviour of Western Standard readers based on a sample space of the six or eight people who constantly post the same drivel over and over again at the Shotgun. Have you considered, for example, that most of the Western Standard readers have better things to do than hang around arguing with said sample space, and that perhaps the only reason said sample space hangs around here is because Ezra's free-speech policy provides them with a outlet that would not be tolerated at an un-moderated site?
Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-12-18 11:44:43 AM
Duke,remember Jonbenet Ramsey? Dressing little girls up like whores is old as the hills.
Maybe it's a good form of reverse psychology, since most kids rebel against their parents attempts to mold them in their image.
Posted by: dan | 2006-12-18 11:44:45 AM
Vitruvius: "I don't see how, Mark, you can make a statistical conclusion on the behaviour of Western Standard readers based on a sample space of the six or eight people who constantly post the same drivel over and over again at the Shotgun. Have you considered, for example, that most of the Western Standard readers have better things to do than hang around arguing with said sample space...."
I agree with all that you say here. But I was not trying to characterize WS *readers*. I was characterizing WS *writers*. Gay bashing is a fun pastime for several of those who - with the WS's blessing - start threads on this forum. But if Mike really thinks that it would be bad if an 8yo did it, it certainly is bad when an adult does it. I just have never seen him post a comment here criticizing it. Funny, that.
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-12-18 1:58:46 PM
Ah, the troll Mark Logan appears...
1) I guess that kids acting out hate is better than kids actually hating. And if they get paid it makes it better? Wow, you're talking like what your think capitalists act like. A parent that would let a kid say those things is pretty sick... By that's lefty parenting I suppose.
2) Art is personal. I don't care for the lyrics at the end of the video. I've always thought that if you need to swear in your art, need to shock, a la Britney Spears, it disguises the fact you have little talent... I appreciate the classical arts more. But you're entitled to your tastes.
3) I have no control about what others say in this forum, but if you can point out any specific points where I have been hypcritical in any of my points, feel free to point it out. You think that because I don't fight everyone in here, I'm being hypocritical. I just like pointing out your deficiencies, which is almnost a full time job...
Straw man, thy name is Mark Logan....
Posted by: Mike The Greek | 2006-12-18 2:06:47 PM
As per your last misguided post... The point of the post is a) what a lefty like Cathie thinks of inappropriate behavior from children and b) what sort of handlers would allow a child to make a video like that and c) there is a lefty double standard.
If some adult wants to rail against gays, blacks etc. here, they can do what they want. They're adults. I was referring ot the actions of a poor child...
I have been the victim of racism right here on the WS Shotgun and have not removed those posts. I have never seen you defend me either, if you are indeed the social conscience of this blog...
I believe light should be shone on ignorance rather than hidden.
That's why I never delete your posts either...
Posted by: Mike The Greek | 2006-12-18 2:15:02 PM
Brain-washing is never defensible, whether relogious or political.
But for some reason, if you're a religious fundamentalist it is perfectly ok to brain-wash your kid with religious propaganda.
And, if your a political extremist left or right), it is perfectly ok to indoctrinate your kid.
What happened to the ideal to teach a child to think for him/herself?
Posted by: Johan i Kanada | 2006-12-18 3:10:39 PM
Jesus Logan, get a grip!
I cannot find any reference to Aryan Nations or homosexual references in the comments until YOU brought it up.
If you are going to attack the comments on this site, for Christ's sake pick your targets with better care.
Grow up!Typical Leftie. Bring on the PC slurs where none exist.
Posted by: Ralph Rattfuc | 2006-12-18 3:16:23 PM
Take a look at Jhonny's comments and please tell me if those were my own comments...
Posted by: Mike The Greek | 2006-12-18 4:39:10 PM
Since when is hating Bill O'Reilly and Republicans comprable to hating blacks and gays?
Posted by: poploser | 2006-12-18 5:03:57 PM
has anyone thought of calling the childrens aid society. im serious
Posted by: john a. | 2006-12-18 5:18:28 PM
Nice try Mark, but changing readers to writers changes nothing; it remains the case that the Shotgun is not equal to the Western Standard. Claiming otherwise is disingenuous, not that I would expect otherwise from the sort of people who spend too much time hanging around on blogs.
Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-12-18 6:40:30 PM
I must agree with Vit on this one. Snowy tried much the same equivalence last week. I expect better from you.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2006-12-18 7:03:07 PM
"And just how many parents are capable of teaching their children chemistry, physics, biology etc.? I suppose that if you wanted to teach them a foreign language you could give them a set of Berlitz tapes."
And just how many of the current crop of publicly educated are learning much, if anything, of physics, etc.?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2006-12-18 8:15:35 PM
Mike: The fact that you need to reply twice in a row to my posts indicates that you do take them seriously. The "troll" talk is just to engage in the insulting language you claim to disdain. If "troll" means someone who disagrees with you and says so, then I am a troll. But we both know that's not what it means, so to use such insulting language shows that insults are not just the technique of the loony left.
Ralph: "I cannot find any reference to Aryan Nations or homosexual references in the comments until YOU brought it up." Umm ... read Mike's post again. You know, the post that ALL of these comments are in response to? You will find the terms "Aryan Nations" and "gays" both in it. In fact, my first reference to BOTH was a quote of Mike's text. You and Duke both need to take a course in remedial reading, starting with understanding the use of quotation marks to, you know, quote.
Vitruvius: "...the Shotgun is not equal to the Western Standard. Claiming otherwise is disingenuous...." Correct me if I'm wrong, but the banner at the top of the page says "Western Standard". This site is a section of the Western Standard's webpage - paid for by the Western Standard and called "westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun" by the URL. The people who make lead posts here have been selected to do so by employees of the Western Standard - maybe by Ezra Himself - and very few people get that privilege. Their posting here is fully sanctioned by the Western Standard. If that does not make this blog a legitimate part of the Western Standard as much as a column they run in the print edition, I don't know what does.
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-12-18 8:28:25 PM
" Their posting here is fully sanctioned by the Western Standard. If that does not make this blog a legitimate part of the Western Standard as much as a column they run in the print edition, I don't know what does."
Have you never heard on TV the following:
"the opinions expressed do not necessarily reflects those of this stations or its sponsors"
If it did, then I could just as easily argue, Mark, that you and Snowy, and truewest, and Lefty99, etc. represent the Western Standard since you post here. Would this not also be equally true?
So what you are saying is that the Western Standard is a Leftist magazine?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2006-12-18 8:33:31 PM
I didn't say the Shotgun wasn't a subset of the Western Standard, Mark, I said it isn't equal to the Western Standard. It's basic Zermelo-Fraenkel axiomatic set theory. Although hockey and football are both sports, it is not the case that the set of hockey players is the same as the set of football players. You were making a comment about one set of players, and then conflating it with sport per se. I think that's logically incorrect.
Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-12-18 8:37:55 PM
To the nitpickers:
WaterFreezingPointDog asks, "Have you never heard on TV the following: 'the opinions expressed do not necessarily reflects those of this stations or its sponsors'
Yes, I have heard of it. And the fact that the WS blog does *not* offer such a disclaimer is no basis for you to assume that such a disclaimer is in place.
"If it did, then I could just as easily argue, Mark, that you and Snowy, and truewest, and Lefty99, etc. represent the Western Standard since you post here."
I cannot speak for the others, but the WS did not ask me to post and does not provide me with privileged access to start posts. It does that for Mike the Greek. Thus there is already a different status as to how sanctioned our views are. They sponsor his contributions while they merely tolerate mine.
Vitruvius: Before you try to split more hairs with set theory or sports analogies, how about looking at *exactly* what I wrote before. I wrote, with typos left unfixed, "Thw WS does not seem to have any trouble sponsoring hatred spouted off routinely against homosexuals." Note that I did not say that the WS expressed such views, merely that they "sponsor" them. Insofar as they pay for this website and invite the posters who can start threads to participate here, they *do* "sponsor" those views. And sometimes those views are homophobic. So take your semantic nits somewhere else to pick. Thanks.
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-12-18 9:08:02 PM
The exact words you wrote, Mark, that I am taking exception to, were: "a lot of WSers think gay bashing is cool".
Speaking as a charter subscriber to the Western Standard magazine: no, sir, a lot of us don't. Some commenters at the Shotgun do.
I've explained the set-theoretic difference above. As to semantic matters, let me just note that "semantic" means "meaning". So if you don't want to discuss meaning, then you shouldn't take it up.
Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-12-18 9:15:56 PM
Please post a disclaimer to make Mark happy.
"Yes, I have heard of it. And the fact that the WS blog does *not* offer such a disclaimer is no basis for you to assume that such a disclaimer is in place."
" They sponsor his contributions while they merely tolerate mine."
But I thought we were "intolerant" bigots? That's what other posters say.
I know you didn't say it but would you please help us set them straight when they post such lies. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2006-12-18 9:16:53 PM
No, disagreement is not trolling, usually. But finding every possible (and impossible) argument with everything I post consitutes trolling. Trolling is also defined by the fact you never answer any of my questions, but make bold statements as to where you "think" I stand.
You're just trying to be troublesome. It's obvious to the regular readers of this blog. To state otherwise in disingenuos.
That being said, if you want to be a regular contributor to this blog, feel free to email Ezra and send in some of your previous work, like the rest of us. Or submit the url of your blog. I for one would be interested in seeing your work.
Posted by: Mike The Greek | 2006-12-19 6:47:21 AM
Hey, kid! You want empathy?
Empathy begins at home, little girl. But I guess your handlers have no idea: Preach empathy, but spew vile, anti-Christian, anti-Republican hatred.
That about sums it up for the left. "If I say "empathy," therefore I am empathetic, no matter what else I say or do."
Oh yeah, and the left really care about kids. I'm trying to imagine the pea-brain, potty-mouth who put this kid in front of a camera and scripted her hate-filled screed.
If this isn't child abuse I don't know what is.
Posted by: 'been around the block | 2006-12-19 7:10:02 AM
"If this isn't child abuse I don't know what is."
A quick Google News search gives me:
So, I gotta say, I think there are definitely some examples of child abuse that are a little clearer.
Posted by: poploser | 2006-12-19 9:20:20 AM
While it's sad that this kid was obviously goaded into saying what she did by handlers (parents?), what's sadder is that everything she says is true!
Posted by: Bob Johanssen | 2006-12-19 9:31:31 AM
True from what perspective?
Posted by: Mike The Greek | 2006-12-19 9:36:45 AM
Well, she says that religion has caused more killing than rap music and video games. I'm pretty sure it's a quantifiable fact, making it true from any perspective, except the "my math sucks" perspective.
Posted by: poploser | 2006-12-19 9:43:24 AM
NSZ and Water dog:
Further to the home schooling.
My son, who has a touch of aspergers, was home schooled during his junior high grades (7-9).
He's now in Grade 11 and averaging in the mid-80's.
Keeping his out of the volatile social situation of a junior high playground was the best thing we've ever done.
His marks are much better than mine were in high school despite his social challenges.
The cirriculum took about two days a week to complete, so what are the other three days spents on during a week in the school system?
My guess would be social indoctrination.
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-12-19 9:50:19 AM
That wasn't the question I asked, but thanks...
Posted by: Mike The Greek | 2006-12-19 12:29:14 PM
ebt's explanation of statistics is accurate.
I question whether rap music is the cause of gang violence, os just an annoying by-product.
For that matter is religion the root cause of war? It seems like just another anthem to me.
In this case statistics might not apply.
Posted by: dan | 2006-12-19 1:48:21 PM
This child has learned her acting lessons well. It is unfortunate that she has not yet learned how to reason cognitively and think independently.
Further to the above discussions about home schooling: we have 7 children and have always home-schooled them. Our children have done well and 2 were recently introduced to the Pennsylvania State Senate. You may read about that day here by scrolling down to page 3 and looking for this heading:
"GUESTS OF SENATOR DOMINIC F.
PILEGGI PRESENTED TO THE SENATE"
Posted by: Brent Weston | 2006-12-20 8:31:57 PM
Did the girl advocate violence or any action against the groups she was dissing, or insult them in any way other than they used religion to justify violence?
Read the comments here, by Bill O, and at YouTube and notice how many insult the personal attributes of the girl and her family, urge physical violence or death on them, or say social workers should step in and break up her family.
I think the video proved its point. While she said teaching empathy was the most important point, her detractors want to unleash a Spanish inquisition on her.
Posted by: MrNuts | 2006-12-23 7:10:15 PM
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