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Tuesday, November 21, 2006

The song

Editorial in the Toronto Sun: Globe sees the light at last!

...Globe and Mail Ottawa columnist John Ibbitson has helped to answer those questions in a remarkably blunt column last Friday. Headlined "Bob Rae and the China syndrome" Ibbitson said the fears of many westerners (and other conservatives) that Canada is run by an eastern liberal elite are valid.

btw in case you missed it here's how the Ibbitson column ends:

One day, not that far off, the West will choose the song, and the masses will elect whom they please, and the elite of the liberal consensus will find themselves talking only to each other, and being listened to by no one at all.

h/t Joanne's Journey via Blogging Tories

Posted by Kevin Steel on November 21, 2006 in Canadian Politics | Permalink


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I must admit I do not read Ibbotson or Simpson
but the Sun is right on - Ibbotson is right I would think but he will end his days at the Globe editing the Want Ads. MSM is unquestionably Pro Socialist and Liberal has been for decades, just look at Oliver on CTV and Robertson who look like they were embalmed decades ago. The late Senator Keith Davey
was a master manipulator of the MSM. Trudeau is often reported as despising the MSM, but I doubt if he ever gave them a nano second's thought. Harper's attitude towards the MSM is strikingly refreshing.

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2006-11-21 8:44:13 AM

Even in deep muck that we call Canada the wheel slowly turns.

Watch for NEP 2 if the Libs get back in under Rae.

That just might be the tipping point for Western separation.

I hope I live long enough to see that happen.

I don't care to see the West running the East, I want the West to run the West and let the East try to put an economy together that will fund the Socialist schemes they love so well.

Lets see ... more call centers, more unsalable automobiles, better marketing of maple syrup.
What else ... mmm try to make movies and music that someone will pay to see and hear.

I know ... join the European Union where most of the East belongs anyway.

Posted by: Duke | 2006-11-21 9:05:07 AM

I see this as a wake-up call for people to start doing their own thinking!! Please get your information from a variety of sources and try to take the bias into account before formulating an opinion.

Thanks for the H/T, BTW!

Posted by: Joanne TB | 2006-11-21 9:22:43 AM

The real problem is not East vs West, it's Quebec-based corporations and their paid political and media hacks. China outrage? Maurice Strong and Power Corp inspired. Global warming and assault on Harper/Ambrose? Quebec Hydro positioning itself for US market sales. Iggy's Quebec "nation" ploy? One rule for us, another for the rest of "our Hinterland" of English Canada. Excessive deference to ethnic minorites? Look at where the big ethnic vote blocks are: you have to keep the hired political help in office to maintain the illusion of 'democracy'.

Let's face it: Canada has been a "Company Country" for most of its life. Power Corp and the Demarais clan are in the "noble" tradition of the Hudson's Bay Co, the railways, Big Steel, the Ontario auto industry. Big capital demands deference. Marry it to Quebec nationalism, stir in political opportunists with only the desire to stay in power and what do you get? The immortal Liberal Party of Canada.

Now that the economic centre of gravity of this country is moving westward, the power structure established over the last century is panicking. Expect a Liberal/NDP coalition after the next election, a perpetual Liberal socialist regime. Western separation becomes not a preference but an absolute necessity.

Posted by: Patrick B | 2006-11-21 9:36:56 AM

Jack M:

Like you, I do not read Ibbitson and am perplexed as to what his motives are. (I presume he has higher ambitions than the want-ads). It seems to me that this it the wrong time for this type of article to come from anyone friendly to the MSM. Notwithstanding what the Liberals state, it really is the Liberals and MSM who have the real "hidden agenda". Why is he confessing this truth at this time?

Consider that
1) the Conservatives are in power, an election will be well before the 5 year term ends, and their popularity is influenced significantly more by MSM than by their own performance
2) as Ibbitson points out, the Liberals seem ready to choose MSM approved Rae as Leader - this article does not help Rae at all
3) Alberta PC Party is getting ready to choose a new Leader as well - this type of column will not help front-runner Dinning and may help provincial-rights advocate Morton - if Morton gets in, Alberta's political influence will expand faster within Canada than with Dinning

So the question is - what is Ibbitson's motive? Is he tired of the Globe and is getting to apply somewhere else, like say, at the Western Standard?

Posted by: Brent Weston | 2006-11-21 10:04:34 AM

As I watch my fellow conservatives repeatedly screaming'foul'at the media,I consider how we got here.
As an'active'teen,I remember'the man'as being strictly conservative.You know,tough law enforcement,strict teachers,etc..
After a few decades of sleep-walking,we find ourselves here,with a definite liberal establishment.
To me,it demonstrates one clear difference between the right and left in Canada.The left tends to take their assorted causes to the streets.
Gay rights,anti-war,anti-poverty,unions,Greenpeace,woman's lib and many more have all marched in our streets demanding change

They do it because it works.

Where the hell are we?

Posted by: Canadian Observer | 2006-11-21 10:18:32 AM

Ignatieff will easily win the Liberal national leadership "contest" I would say virtually all the
Ontario, Atlantic Canada and Western Delegates have already signed on. Ignatieff's campaign team is formidable. Despite nonsense from much Media, trying to fill print and electronic space demanded by editors, Rae is not a real contender any more than the world's tallest Midget, Dion; the rest? - nonentities. Ignatieff will have much difficulty attempting to engineer a defeat of the Harper Government in the House, because the Liberal's will remain riven and divided for many months after the Montreal debacle. Big loosers will be Layton and the NDP, because the power brokers behind Ignatieff detest Layton and his socialist horde. Bloc? can be bought. MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2006-11-21 10:29:40 AM

Is it journalism to write an "editorial" where all you do is repeat the things that were said in a single column published by another paper? Well, maybe that's *SUN* "journalism".

Next editorial: What the National Post is writing about, the abridged version (of course)!

Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-11-21 10:33:08 AM

It's pretty obvious what the Conservative agenda is now ... champion of the middle-class taxpayer.

First, if you were paying attention during the fallout after the income trust, the answers were always about tax fairness and the counter-attacks were against the Liberals defence of their pals on the corporate welfare dole.

Second, the news comes (bourque.com) today that Finance Minister Flaherty is mulling income-splitting for middle-income families.

Once again, championing the middle-class taxpayer by spending $5 billion of its surplus in this venture. Announcement, according to bourque, is expected on Thursday.

Naturally, this is bad news to Canada Inc., considering it is choosing a new leader in early December and is watching its source of ill-gotten funding starting to dry up.

The Conservatives can carry the day with the support of the NDP, the party which coined the term ‘corporate welfare bums.'

Oooh. This week is going to be so much fun as another round of outrage and howling by those in central Canada we support with our hard-earned dollars are sure to squeal in protest.

I can hardly wait.

Posted by: Set you free | 2006-11-21 11:16:44 AM

MSM is having one tough time, they know they're up against the wall with the new PM.
After years of wining and dining with the Libs and getting the easy scoops it's hard to have to work for scoops and leaks and buy their own food and drink as well.

Then we have Craig Oliver and Lloyd Robertson, who look like they've been done up at the Undertakers and the rest of PPG and MSM looking mighty befuddled and lost.

If they want to improve things they could start by doing some balanced, unbiased reporting and fair interviews, otherwise the jig is up.

The worst of the worst of Political shows is the Mike Duffy show with current Host Jane Taber. she's even worse than Don Newman.

Posted by: Liz J | 2006-11-21 11:27:00 AM



Thanks for that link. The article is flawed because it only points out one side of a potential change in social behaviour. It is correct to state that some families would work less because the lowered taxes would mean they would have more disposable income. However, it is also correct to point out that many people would also work harder (increase in national productivity) because they would get to keep more from their efforts.

This would be a great move politically for the Conservatives. Harper has repeatedly stated that it is really the Liberals who are the friends of Big Business in Canada. Despite the inevitable MSM opposition, this might be just what is needed to have middle-class Ontario people have their own look (without the MSM filter) at the Conservatives.

Posted by: Brent Weston | 2006-11-21 11:39:40 AM


I just skimmed the article and did not notice the outcome guessing.

The MSM usually is on the side of Chicken Little and the sky is always falling, so consider the source.

Liberals are the party of Big Business. Not sure where the NDP stands now. It started out as a prairie populist party (my wife's grandparents were among the founding members), became the voice of Big Labour until its split with CAW blabbermouth Buzz Hargrove.

I guess now it can best be described as the party of the lunatic fringe, always howling about the ideal but never appealing to the mainstream enough to inflict its brand of Protestant-based, save-the-world predeterminism.

I was at a gathering after a funeral yesterday and ran into one of these nutbars, a feminist animal-rights activist member of the United Church who railed on about how dangerous evangelicals were.

The group quickly carved her up and I went home. I'm sure she complained bitterly to the host, a lifelong friend, about how she felt interrogated.

To be honest, I could care less what she though of me because she is an obvious charter member of the lunatic fringe who believes humans are no better than house pets. Yeesh!

Posted by: Set you free | 2006-11-21 11:50:30 AM


I do not think I was clear enough with my comment about the Liberals. Liberal opposition to tax cuts (particularly corporate tax cuts) usually comes in the form of "the Tories are looking after their RICH friends". I think most of us on the "right" side know that the Liberals real game is: they simply want more taxes to spend on their own priorities. Too many people not on the "right" take that accusation at face value.

This tax proposal benefits no corporation. It also beneifts the rich individuals only slightly. If both individuals are already in the highest tax bracket, there is no benefit. If one wealthier individual has a large income and the spouse is not yet in the top bracket, the benefit to the spouse is limited to that amount of income below the top tax bracket (significant benefit to non-wealthy families but perhaps a small benefit to this hypothetical wealthy family).

Therefore this proposal is truly middle class. This proposal benefits all families where at least one income is below the top tax bracket. It will be difficult to sell this proposal as a benefit to "rich friends". Therefore, this may be what is needed to have others look at the Conservatives with a more-balanced eye regardless of what the MSM may or may not say about this proposal.

Posted by: Brent Weston | 2006-11-21 12:15:08 PM


Bottom-line, there are more middle-income earners than the rich or corporate interests.

By claiming and capturing the middle ground, that's where the votes are.

Posted by: Set you free | 2006-11-21 12:44:38 PM

New Brunswick native Basil Hargrove knows damm well
that his big Union never supported the Socialist Horde, but approved big cash gifts to the Liberals
whom the voted for on a routine regular basis. Union
membership focus on supporting "winners" but I think they are moving towards Harper's Conservatives. Long time Union guys here in Moncton whom I have coffee with on occasion "like Harper's gutsy style", especially how he dealt with the MSM and his recent trip to the PRC. Canadian labor detest China's cheap, slave labor policies. MacLeod.

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2006-11-21 2:07:02 PM

Union members to the Conservatives? It's not that far fetched, they're a pack of whores when it comes to their bottom line. From NDP to Paul Martin's Liberals and now they just may hop in with the Conservatives? Jacko would have the vapors, really have to sniff double through his dogshit in Springtime moustache.
We'll await the presentation of the Leather jacket to Harper from Buzzy??? Doubt if Harper would go for it though, it didn't help allowing Paul into the Brotherhood.

Posted by: Liz J | 2006-11-21 2:30:41 PM

Good old John Ibbitson! It is good to see a national reporter admit what we on the right and Conservative have known for a long time. There is a move afoot by the MSM & PPG to show the Harper government as incompetent. Hence the tirades on the environment, the meetng with the Chinese and the APEC meeting. However, Canadians are watching and I don't believe are buying all this negative press. I have stopped watching Question Period, Don Newman's politics and Mike Duffy with the witches of Eastwick (Taber, Galloway & McCharles). The quality of my life has improved immeasurably and my blood pressure has gone down.

Posted by: hollinm | 2006-11-21 2:34:05 PM

The people who own the G&M, CTV and other MSM with the exception of the unfortunately State owned CBC are concerned about declining revenues as more and more Canadians tune out idiots like Taber and Matheson, which cuts into their market share. Both
the Red Star and Globe are faced with declining street sales with consequent loss of lifeblood revenue. The Red Star is no longer a major player
in forming public opinion, and is in the midst of chilling blood letting in their Editorial Offices, the Tabloids like the Sun Group is where the action is. As I have posted many times, the CBC should be disposed of. Newman should be required to register as a Liberal Lobbyist. a final point, in the past fifty plus years, the big unions have always voted Liberal, not as a block vote, but by individual members and their choices. No Union leader would dare to tell Union membership how to vote, because they would promptly vote him into oblivion. People forget that PM MacKenzie King, "Rex" to his girlfriends, assorted whores and dogs
was a top Labor Lawyer in the US and Canada, "the
working mans friend". MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2006-11-21 3:30:37 PM

I've got news for you Liz...

Actual union members never backed the Dippers! They have always had conservative values. Work hard and protect your family.

The union leaders on the other hand are said "whores"! Always have been, always will be.

Posted by: Paul Hansen | 2006-11-21 4:10:38 PM

enough should be to say about the liberals, bob rae. bob rae for pm. are they mental. is everyone mental. bob rae was the worst premier is cdn history. he managed to piss off everyone including the unions and his own party. if thats the best the liberals can come up with, this country is in sad shape

Posted by: john a. | 2006-11-21 5:39:59 PM

It was refreshing to read the posts. Most of you are right when you say that the time for change in Alberta is now,RIGHT NOW !!! I can't believe Peter Lougheed has endorsed Jim Denning ( who by the way was booed in Wetaskiwin last night). Guess senility sets in on all of us eventually. Also, where is Mike Duffy these days ??? Sure haven't had the displeasure of seeing him for a long time.

Posted by: Freedom of speech | 2006-11-21 6:46:12 PM

"Tabloids like the Sun Group is where the action is," writes MacLeod...
Only if by "action" you mean a free fall in circulation. Even with a recent 0.7% bump in circ, the Toronto Sun is still under 200,000 on weekdays, which is about half the circ of the Star and a serious decline from the paper's glory days. But, hey, why start worrying about stupid things like facts at this late date?

Posted by: truewest | 2006-11-21 8:38:03 PM

Jack MacLeod wrote: The people who own the G&M, CTV and other MSM with the exception of the unfortunately State owned CBC are concerned about declining revenues

CTV? CTV make boatloads of money

Jack MacLeod also wrote: more and more Canadians tune out idiots like Taber and Matheson

Those are Canadian content shows, better know as “chair shows”, which nobody at CTV cares whether they make money or anybody watches.

Posted by: No Spin Zone | 2006-11-21 9:05:01 PM

Jeez, "Chair Shows"! as opposed to "coach shows"
or "stool shows" "which nobody watches"? if Bell Media CTV Globe and Mail were aware of that, CTV
"Chair Shows" would vanish overnight. Bell Media
will probably get in touch for more advice (don't hold your breath). MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2006-11-22 4:03:34 AM

According to the Audit Bureau of Circulation the
"Circulation statistics" for the venerable Toronto Star are listed as "NF"* * "Not Filed by the Publishers" which is no surprise to me. I forwarded
a copy of Circulation figures for the Quebecor (Sun
Newspapers among others") to the WS. I have been reading the Toronto Star for about fifty years and it is without question a "Liberal Party" organ, known in Toronto and GTA as "The Red Star"The big publishers in the US and Canada are concerned about falling street sales and the impact of the internet and bloggers. I think the next Federal election campaign will be primarily fought by the bloggers. MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2006-11-22 5:55:05 AM


MSM and Liberals know that Harper is not only going to hold on to power but also sweep the house. Many Liberals know that their agenda was hijacked by fanatics like LGBT network, radical feminists and other hangers on, they also know that they carry too much political luggage to mount an effective opposition to Harper or even try to cut some kind of a deal with Conservatives. Liberal ship is sinking and MSM is not able to salvage it so they have to try to switch sides. John Ibbitson is just one of many scouts sent out lately by The Golbe and Mail to check out the terrain."

It sounds too good to be true. The Liberals and MSM may not be smart when it comes to policy, but they certainly are not lacking for ideas when it comes to playing politics. They will not go down without a fight. On the other hand, many Ontario people do not like the Liberals and simply vote for them because they see the Liberals as the only choice. Perhaps things are changing?? I think I will wait until I see it more consistently in the polls before I count on a Harper majority.


Agreed on your bottom line. I will watch for it tomorrow. US Thanksgiving here, you know. Maybe more than the usual to be thankful for.

Posted by: Brent Weston | 2006-11-22 7:12:18 AM

Att: Stephane Dion

“The Rwandan government launched an inquiry last month into allegations France helped the Hutu government in the slaughter.”

Has anyone seen/heard this in the Canadian MSM: the CBC, Radio Canada, CTV, Globe-Mail, Toronto Star, La Presse, etc.? Why is this not news in Canada? Cover-up?

What is Stephane Dion’s policy-position regarding charges

of genocide

levelled against his nation, France?

Stephane Dion is one of “eight [Liberal] party leadership contenders” summoned/rounded up by Graham to discuss the concept of nations.

Dion is a citizen of two nations: France and Canada. Will Dion become a citizen of three nations? France-Quebec-Canada?

Mr. Dion’s other nation, France, is named as being part of the genocide as shown here below.

…- …-

Rwanda’s Kagame should face court: French judge



Kagame was then leader of the Rwandan Patriotic Front which defeated the Habyarimana government’s Hutu militias to end the genocide. A Tutsi, he accuses France of training soldiers it knew would later commit genocide, a charge Paris has denied.

“The French are trying to appease their conscience for their role in the genocide and are now trying to find someone else to hold responsible for their acts here,” Foreign Affairs Minister Charles Murigande said in Kigali.

“They have panicked because they know their acts during the genocide were going to be exposed to the rest of the world in the on-going probe commission here,” he told Reuters.

French Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei said Paris wanted to continue to work with Kigali but would not comment on a judicial matter or respond to Murigande’s comments.

The Rwandan government launched an inquiry last month into allegations France helped the Hutu government in the slaughter.”


Posted by: maz2 | 2006-11-22 7:17:55 AM


Even more evidence that Pierre Trudeau converted a once-proud Canada into New France.

That's why Quebec will never separate ... it is in fact the centre of power to which all the riches of the country flow.

The game is up, of course, but Quebec Inc.'s mouthpiece, the Liberal Party, will not give up easily.

Posted by: Set you free | 2006-11-22 9:46:19 AM

Harper has made a fatal error.

Saskatchewan is now a nation; Ontario is a nation, etc.

The way is open to all:

Set up your own nation.


Alberta can now separate.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in a statement in the House of Commons on Wednesday that the federal Conservative government will introduce a motion recognizing that Quebecers constitute a nation within a united Canada. …-
national newswatch

Posted by: maz2 | 2006-11-22 1:55:33 PM

You are quite right. I think it has been a delusional sentimentality, coupled with a lack of a René Lévesque style visionary leader that Alberta is not yet an independent nation.

"Although the former characterization of the Balkans is widely used and extremely common today, it is important to note that this characterization is also widely exaggerated and may be connected to historically negative connotations the Balkans have amongst Western European nations and political elites."

Of course the Balkans are no longer 'the Balkans' if they ever were, but I fail to see any connection between the myth of 'the Balkans' and Canada or it's provinces.

Mr. maz2 never explains himself but only enters a blog, burps in a deeply meaningful way(so he thinks), and disappears to whence he came.

Posted by: Speller | 2006-11-22 3:07:51 PM

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