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Monday, August 28, 2006
War, Hitler, Muslims, and the Left
Blogger Tim Denton offers insights into the Israel-Hezbollah/Iran conflict from his recent reading of Ian Kershaw's Hitler 1936 To 1945: Nemesis:
The point to watch here was the direct resort to war by Hezbollah, at the behest of its Iranian masters, the day the European powers found that Iran was not in compliance with some part of the process of diplomatic discussion about nuclear weapons development. Boom. Immediate outbreak of hostilities. Their recourse to war was immediate and unconditional.
So it was a refreshing dose of reality to read how Hitler's personality, ideology and decisions led Europe ineluctably into World War II. Kershaw's masterly treatment of the rise and rule of Hitler places the blame squarely where it belongs, on Hitler and the forces he unleashed. I am not saying that the Iranian leadership is on all fours with Hitler's - though I am saying that, in the perspective of history, we may be living in the equivalent of the 1930s, the years of buildup to a world war.
The other thought that occurred to me, as I was watching the stars the other night, was how precisely the Islamic threat is aimed along the lines of cultural weakness that have been relentlessly developed at all levels in western society by the political left. Though their great god Marxism failed, the left's animus against western civilization has not abated.
Turning back to reflect on the Thirties, millions marched for communism, supported the Hitler-Stalin Pact, and worked tirelessly against western rearmament. The folly of the Left then was the stated belief that the greater danger came from Churchill and the conservatives.
When you organize around what you hate rather than what you love, you will always get it wrong.
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I can't say if the comparisons between the 1930s and today are appropriate, but the picture in the link below show that one group - Hezbollah - can provide some proof of it.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-08-28 8:25:06 AM
Let's try that link again:
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-08-28 8:27:48 AM
Brigitte Gabriel Speech at Duke University
Remarks of Brigitte Gabriel, delivered at the Duke University Counter Terrorism Speak-Out
I'm proud and honoured to stand here today, as a Lebanese speaking for Israel , the only democracy in the Middle East . As someone who was raised in an Arabic country, I want to give you a glimpse into the heart of the Arabic world.
I was raised in Lebanon , where I was taught that the Jews were evil, Israel was the devil, and the only time we will have peace in the Middle East is when we kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea.
When the Moslems and Palestinians declared Jihad on the Christians in 1975, they started massacring the Christians, city after city. I ended up living in a bomb shelter underground from age 10 to 17, without electricity, eating grass to live, and crawling under sniper bullets to a spring to get water.
It was Israel who came to help the Christians in Lebanon My mother was wounded by a Moslem's shell, and was taken into an Israeli hospital for treatment. When we entered the emergency room, I was shocked at what I saw. There were hundreds of people wounded, Moslems, Palestinians, Christians, Lebanese, and Israeli soldiers lying on the floor. The doctors treated everyone according to their injury. They treated my mother before they treated the Israeli soldier lying next to her. They didn't see religion, they didn't see political affiliation, they saw people in need and they helped.
For the first time in my life I experienced a human quality that I know my culture would not have shown to their enemy. I experienced the values of the Israelis, who were able to love their enemy in their most trying moments. I spent 22 days at that hospital. Those days changed my life and the way I believe information, the way I listen to the radio or to television. I realized I was sold a fabricated lie by my government, about the Jews and Israel , that was so far from reality. I knew for fact that, if I was a Jew standing in an Arab hospital, I would be lynched and thrown over to the grounds, as shouts of joy of Allah Akbar, God is great, would echo through the hospital and the surrounding streets.
I became friends with the families of the Israeli wounded soldiers: one in particular Rina, her only child was wounded in his eyes.
One day I was visiting with her, and the Israeli army band came to play national songs to lift the spirits of the wounded soldiers. As they surrounded his bed playing a song about Jerusalem , Rina and I started crying. I felt out of place and started waking out of the room, and this
mother holds my hand and pulls me back in without even looking at me.
She holds me crying and says: "it is not your fault". We just stood there crying, holding each other's hands.
What a contrast between her, a mother looking at her deformed 19 year old only child, and still able to love me the enemy, and between a Moslem mother who sends her son to blow himself up to smithereens just to kill a few Jews or Christians.
The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character. It's barbarism verses civilization. It's democracy verses dictatorship. It's goodness verses evil.
Once upon a time, there was a special place in the lowest depths of hell for anyone who would intentionally murder a child. Now, the intentional murder of Israeli children is legitimized as Palestinian "armed struggle".
However, once such behaviour is legitimized against Israel, it is legitimized every where in the world, constrained by nothing more than the subjective belief of people who would wrap themselves in dynamite and nails for the purpose of killing children in the name of god.
Because the Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause, the whole world now suffers from a plague of terrorism, from Nairobi to New York , from Moscow to Madrid , from Bali to Beslan.
They blame suicide bombing on "desperation of occupation". Let me tell you the truth. The first major terror bombing committed by Arabs against the Jewish state occurred ten weeks before Israel even became independent.
On Sunday morning, February 22, 1948 , in anticipation of Israel 's independence, a triple truck bomb was detonated by Arab terrorists on Ben Yehuda Street , in what was then the Jewish section of Jerusalem .. Fifty-four people were killed, and hundreds were wounded. Thus, it is obvious that Arab terrorism is caused not by the "desperation" of "occupation", but by the VERY THOUGHT of a Jewish state.
So many times in history in the last 100 years, citizens have stood by and done nothing, allowing evil to prevail. As America stood up against and defeated communism, now it is time to stand up against the terror of religious bigotry and intolerance. It's time to all stand up, and support and defend the state of Israel , which is the front line of the war against terrorism.
Posted by: Duke | 2006-08-28 9:10:15 AM
Popularly accepted western studies of WWII by historians center on Hitler being the cause.
Very little input by German Generals who fought WWII or examination of the Soviet Union's motives are contained in these studies. The interpretation of events comes almost solely from leftist western historians.
WWII was triggered by the German/Soviet nonaggression pact which allowed Hitler and Stalin to carve up Europe between them. The balloon went up when Germany invaded Poland.
But what of the USSR's invasion and occupation of eastern Poland?
Viktor Suvorov, author and former GRU agent, wrote a book called "Icebreaker" which argues Stalin was the cause of WWII.
Stalin and his Soviet Union was also the big winner of WWII.
I think Russia will be the cause of the next World War as well.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-08-28 9:36:21 AM
IHR = Institute of Historical Review. That's David Irving's outfit, and it is very notorious for shoddy historical revisionism. Basically, it's a Holocaust Denial organization - and should be avoided at all costs.
Why do some right-wingers - and Ontarians in particular - go for that nonsense? Kershaw's bio of Hitler is very highly regarded by all, so it is worth using as a source. But not Irving, who has no credibility whatsoever as a scholar. We must analyze our sources - something the left doesn't do but is often quick to catch. It's the only way we real people can defeat the Islamofascists and their leftist sympathizers.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-08-28 9:41:03 AM
Scott did you even bother to read the link? Can't you make your own decisions based on actual information?
There is NOTHING there about holocaust denial, Viktor Suvorov's books all warn about Communist aggression. Nazi aggression isn't a threat today, Communist aggression still is.
The USSR destroyed the Third Reich and was the big winner in WWII. The Communists walked away with over half of Europe. Are you a communist Scott?
Posted by: Speller | 2006-08-28 9:50:53 AM
THE VERY REASON WE ALL NEED CRANIALRECTUMOLOGIES AND HAVE OUR HEADS REMOVED FROM OUR ASSES AND REALIZE THAT AS LONG AS THE LIBERAL MEDIA KEEP FEEDING US THE BULLS_ _T OF THESE "INSURGENTS" BEING FREEDOM FIGHTERS. WHOSE FREEDOM ARE THEY FIGHTING FOR, DEFINITELY NOT WOMEN OF THE MUSLIM WORLD. THEY ARE SIMPLY MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE TO KEEP THE MULLAHS AND OTHER ELITE IN THE MUSLIM RICH AND RUNNING ARAB WORLD LIKE THE LAWRENCE OF ARABIA DAYS.
FACE IT EITHER CONVERT TO ISLAM OR BE PREPARED TO BE BEHEADED BY ISLAMONUTS. WE CANNOT USA DIPLOMACY WITH THESE NUTS. LISTEN TO THE SPEECHS THEY DO NOT GIVE YOU ANY OPTIONS. CONVERT OR DIE.
Posted by: SAL | 2006-08-28 10:17:33 AM
Here are links to other reviews of "Icebreaker" if you can't be objective because of the source of my first link.
I don't deny the Holocaust, I have no interest in Holocaust deniers.
Communism is the threat yesterday and today. The Communists and socialists are the ones who are arming the Islamists. They intend to use the Islamists to weaken us to the point that the Communists can realize their world revolution.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-08-28 10:26:49 AM
Indeed there are many events today that remind one of the late 1930's. Once again the world is threatened by an ideology whose sole purpose and goal is world domination; once again anti-Semitism is rapidely increasing with Jews/Israel (as the world's Jew) being accused and blamed for everything and anything; and once again we find most of the free world ignoring the danger and wanting to negotiate.
The Nazis and Communists were much the same. Yes, they may have differed on the odd small thing, but the end result for the people was much the same. As for socialism, it is simply communism in a better wrapping. The socialists believe they can achieve the same thing (as the communists) without an armed revolution.
Posted by: Alain | 2006-08-28 11:31:28 AM
I never thought you were a Holocaut Denier, but your use of the IHR link is highly questionable. As a general rule it is best to steer clear of Irving and his kind. They are not trustworthy.
Neither is Suvorov, who has been known to sensationalize in his books, particularly the one about the Soviet Army. By the look of this book, it sounds rather shabbily put together out of printed sources, rather than archival ones. The reviewers also seem to be less than fair - one from the "Future of Freedom Foundation", run out of a suite in suburban DC; the other by some mad Bulgarian. I suggest finding other reviews from scholarly journals.
However you may be correct about the Chinese, North Koreans and Russians (now non-communist but anti-west) arming the Islamofascists. While they don't need any additional encouragement - the Koran takes care of that - their weapon suppliers are not helping. This has less to do with ideology as it does hurting the West. Little do they know that the Islamists don't care one way or the other.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-08-28 4:41:32 PM
Speller is quit right about the communists, the terrorists are being enabled by the communists ie: Russia and China.
Both countries are arming and practicing war games together, both have issued warnings to the USA not to interveen in their affairs.
Both block real UN motions against the terrorists.
The terrorists provide political cover.
That's not to say the terrorists are not a threat, just a much exagerated one, their potential for destruction is limited, not so the communists, their only limiting factor is the threat from the USA.
Posted by: Durward | 2006-08-28 4:42:25 PM
All systems which attempt to submerge individual liberty are inherently evil.
And, I use the word evil deliberately, since all human beings were born with free will and have the capacity to make their own choices.
Within those totalitarian systems, including Islam (as definded by Osama bin Laden himself), submission to the self-defined chosen few.
And within those systems, individual humans become slaves to the systems and all their natural gifts of creativity become subservient to the system.
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-08-28 5:13:47 PM
Right you are SYF.
Posted by: Alain | 2006-08-28 7:07:14 PM
Check out this video blog entry from Michelle Malkin.
Hopefully it works, because it has some of the programming from Al-Manar TV, the Hezbollah TV station. Please, dear friends, see this because there's no way I can describe it to you. Not even the CBC is this biased! The CBC!
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-08-28 7:43:29 PM
Not that says it all. I saw the peice with Malkin. I just hope more people come to the realization that this is more than just the US poking the beehive.
Posted by: sal | 2006-08-28 8:01:55 PM
Thanks for the link. Unbelievable. Madness for the masses.
Posted by: Democrat | 2006-08-28 9:19:38 PM
Knowone should listen to Zebulon Pike, he is a seperatist in his own right and should be tried for treason.
Posted by: Stones | 2006-08-28 9:27:19 PM
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-08-28 9:57:07 PM
Give stoner a break. He's a product of our education system.
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-08-28 10:03:39 PM
Zeb, like me, believes the traitors are the people who condoned and benefited from the breach of section 109 of the 1867 Constitution Act. Until there is an apology and proper redress for the NEP and continuing rape of our resources it is they who have broken the faith, not us.
We owe it to future Alberta generations and to ourselves to do everything possible, including creating a sovereign Alberta Nation, to see that it never happens again.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-08-28 11:14:36 PM
Heil to the Liberal Party of Canada.
We are the Master Race/Party.
Liberal means CenSSorship:
S.U. all you Canadians. We are the Master Race; We, the Liberal Party of Canada; We are the party of democracy, tolerance, inclusion, multicult, feminism, etc.
All in all, we are the party of Censorship. We and our new leader, M. Ignatieff, and his national co-chairman, D. Coderre, support hezbollah; support/endorse anti-semitism.
Dat's da Canadian values. We are the Master Party.
A message from the Liberal Party of Canada:
Director of Legal Affairs and Legal Counsel
Directeur des affaires juridiques et avocat-conseil
Liberal Party of Canada/Parti Libéral du Canada
Email/Courriel: [email protected]
The following from voy forums ...-
Lib censorship at work - doesnt the Lib party support Hezboallah?
August 28, 2006
First, the Liberal Party killed Youth for Volpe.
Last week, 'Liberals for Hezbollah' mysteriously went offline.
Now, this site's ISP has received a letter from the Liberal Party of Canada, full of imaginary legal violations (Slander? Has a HezboLiberal Broadway-style musical opened somewhere?) and veiled threats.
My ISP has been great and has given every indication that they would stick by me through this. But, I have decided to take down the website to save them further hassles.
If the Liberal Party ever wants to repair its reputation, it has to learn that it can't censor, threaten or demand that Canadians 'shut up.' There are too many of us, and it is too easy for us to communicate these days for that sort of tactic to work anymore, in a free society.
If the Liberal Party doesn't like what it sees on blogs and on the Internet, it has to stop doing stuff so outrageous and offensive that someone would spend an entire day building a website just to mock it.
Until that happens, you are going to have to learn to live with it.
------- Liberal Party Lawyer's Letter Follows -------
Posted by: maz2 | 2006-08-29 6:59:49 AM
Good post on the Duke University speech. Makes you realize how long Israel has been dealing with what the rest of the world has just recently begun to. As far as the original post, I think it is for the most part a crock of bipartisan happy horsesh*t ... a little like finding an ultra-right whack job and saying that person represents all people who lean towards the right. It's only good for politicians.
The one correlation I agree with between the the original post and the speech you posted was that of evil. There was something inherently evil with what happened in Nazi Germany. The same is true of what happened on 9/11. Hard to believe the later was inspired by a religion. I don't know much about the religion - don't care to. The only thing I can judge it by are the fruits it produces. Which brings to mind ... what was the title of Salman Rushdie's book?
Posted by: Democrat | 2006-08-29 6:14:36 PM
I copied and pasted Duke's post onto another chat group. Here is a cut-and-paste of the response.
It's from somebody who has lived there in that turmoil, I guess and paints a somewhat horrifying picture ...
Anyone who knows the Mid-east at once realizes that this Brigitte is a Maronite. For anyone who knows the Mid-East, that is enough. The Maronites give Christianity a bad name, a very bad name. The Presidents of Lebanon must always be Maronites, and they have achieved this office by murders that make the Mafia look like boy scouts. They started the 17 year Civil War by attacking Moslems and Druze whom they felt, challenged their primacy in Lebanon. The then president of Lebanon went to Israel seeking military help against his fellow Lebanese. When the Israelis withdrew from Lebanon, they turned over the Palestinian refugee camps of Shatila and Sabra to the Maronite "Christians" (and their Facist Falangist Party Militia) who killied every man, woman and child, and even the animals in cold blood. For details check Shatilla, and Falangist on Google.
I did not know that anyone on this list supported a Papist Falangist organisation, patterned after the Ustashi of Croatia, or the Maronites of Lebanon who have been murdering their fellow Lebanese Christians, Druse or Muslims for decades. Even the Greek Catholics in Lebanon dispise them, and shudder, fearing that all Christians will be blamed for their atrocities.
I was in Lebanon and Palestine from 1975 to 1979, the period of which she writes. Abbess Julianna and I are the only ones on this list who have lived under Israeli Rule, and she isn't talking. I was many times beaten and spit upon, as were my students and fellow clergy by Jews. Maronite Papist rule has always been worse than Muslim rule, which is why so many Patriarchs exclaimed, "Better the Turban than the Tiara!"
Those who have lived in the Holy Land under both Muslim and Maronite Rule know what it is like, what the Fascist Falangists Maronites are like. Who else would name an Arab girl "Brigitte"?
Is this list meant to inform and edify? Are personal attacks the norm on this list?
Shatilla and Sabra. The horror of the collaboration of two terrorists groups, the Israelis and the Falangists. The kindest thing to say is that both have been whipped up to a blood thirsty frenzy which justifies any crime, any lie, believing the end justifies the means.(The Maronites all study at the Jesuite University in Beyrut) For the Israelis it is a Jewish State, cleansed of all Christians, and Muslims. For the Falangists it is a Roman Catholic State, eventually converting all the Orthodox, and repeating Sabra and Shatilla until all the Muslims are dead. Unbelievable as it sounds, just remember Shatilla and Sabra. Cold blooded murder by "Christian" militia!
Look down from Heaven O God, and behold. The Earth is not just calling Jerjis, but the blood of the innocent poured out on the earth cries out to God and to humanity! Deliver us from Maronites and Israelis . . . the Falange and the Irgun, and all their Zionist supporters and US weapons.
Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-08-29 6:25:26 PM
Set you free:
The Maronites aren't the existential threat to the Mideast and never have beeen; Hisbullah is. Nazrallah started the war and we should concentrate on destroying his storm troopers now
Further, your hyperventilating hysteria towards the Maronites and slurring of Brigitte Gabriel ensures we'll ignore you.
I support the Maronites along with all of the Arab Christians because no one supports them and everyone pretty much forgets about them.
Posted by: xavier | 2006-08-30 9:37:10 AM
What rubbish and lies you just posted SYF. I am surprised. That the civil war and problems in Lebanon were caused by Arab Christians of any denomination is quiet an invention. And of course those terrible Jews had to be included. If you are interested in the truth, try the PLO with Arafat and his thugs as the cause.
Posted by: Alain | 2006-08-30 1:14:58 PM
I was just posting something from a different perspective.
I neither endorsed it or rejected it ... merely posted it as another viewpoint.
I let the guy who send it to me know he was part of the problem, not part of the solution, since his viewpoint is pretty hateful, in my opinion.
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-08-30 2:17:35 PM
Set you free;
Yeah, I can't say one way or another how much truth is involved here, but just looking at the manner in which it was written would lead me to believe it is for the most part propaganda. For sure, nothing's black & white - it's the righteous indignation & unrelenting hatred that seems to insure that nothing will ever be resolved - it's self-feeding.
Posted by: Democrat | 2006-08-30 3:50:54 PM
Sorry SYF I misunderstood. It remains a piece of rubbish propaganda all the same. There is not one country with Christians in power of any demonination where the poor Muslims are oppressed, but there is not a single Islamic government that respects religious freedom of non Muslims. I am not and do not have to be Christian to recognize this fact.
Posted by: Alain | 2006-08-30 3:56:41 PM
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