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Sunday, July 30, 2006

Iran should 'prepare' to fight Israel, US: IRGC

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards commander says Iran should 'prepare' to fight Israel, US :

However, the reporting news agency retracted these comments.

One thing is for sure and that's the amount of provocation these comments make in the western world. Many leftists claim US is looking for an excuse to invade Iran but, really US doesn't need much excuses when there are idiots like this one in Iran inviting the western world to attack Iran.

Within the next few months, the only viable option to deal with Iran will be a foreign intervention and that's unfortunate when there are people inside of Iran ready to do the job of toppling these lunatics with a little moral and financial support.

Cross-posted @ The Spirit of Man

Posted by Winston on July 30, 2006 in International Affairs | Permalink


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usa should not invade iran

just 6 NUkINGS OF THE 6 LARGEST IRANIAN CITIES will do for a start

ONLY then will the muslim one world order discard their OBVIOUS plans

---and here

all muslims who have more than 1 child must leave the country immediately

Posted by: woodbridge | 2006-07-30 11:25:01 PM

Woody, I appreciate that you're frustrated with Islam like every infidel. But please take the time to correct typos and avoid unnecessary upper case phrases.

Oh, and also please try to be reasonable, kicking Muslims out won't happen because we were too stupid to allow them in and there's simple to many of them already. A better approach is pushing for a serious immigration and citizenship reform.

Posted by: Canadian | 2006-07-30 11:42:13 PM

IRAN in fact has been fighting the U.S. and Israel on a continuous basis since the creation of Hezbollah by the Kohmeni in 1982 after the IDF
withdrew from Lebanon. All the "insurgents" in Iraq are provided with weapons, money and tactical training by Iran, which in turn is supported by North Korea and the People's Republic of China. Today, sources in Israel report that the Lebanese National Army and Hezbollah will attack a UN "crease fire enforcement force" (UN and French Forces). Which they did during the Lebanese Civil War. Hezbollah exists only to kill Americans and Israelis. Dealing with IRAN directly through the use of force is a very complex issue. The key appears to be destruction of IRAN's ability to generate substantial revenues by oil sales. As US and IDF troops know Hezbollah and their Iranian mentors have no fear of death. the situation in Lebanon increases the risk to Canadian forces in Afghanistan which in evident in reports of increaing attacks on Canadian troops.

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 4:07:41 AM

As hysterical as Woodbridge sounds I agree with him. A united front (something that will never happen) an ultimatum, then pull back the troops and start leveling cities. The time to do it is now. As evidenced by the reaction of the current Israeli/Lebanese conflict the world has lost its collective mind and is controlled by the appeasing socialist left.

They will appease till the Iranians, or one of the radical terrorist states have a nuclear weapon which they will no doubt use on Israel, or on this continent, or both. If that's what it takes to get the message across (much like the Japanese in WW2. then so be it. It worked then, it can work now.

If the terrorists want terror, show it to them. They are piss-ants, thugs who hide behind human shields knowing full well how to play the media to their advantage. It is time to take off the kid gloves and deal with these thugs much like Israel is doing but on a much grander scale.

If they want terror and are teaching a new generation to spread it, end it now and start over. But first they need to learn the true meaning of terror, and we have the means to provide it.

Either cast out the terrorists and end terrorism, or cease to exist, a simple choice really.

Posted by: deepblue | 2006-07-31 7:36:08 AM

Deepblue “ the world is controlled by the appeasing left”

I agree, that’s the problem. How are we going to level it?

The Islamofascists also know that’s the problem that we have.

Conservative capitalists have won the war on the economy, which is clear to everybody since the Fall of the Berlin Wall. But we haven’t won the war on our institutions, which are still controlled by the utopians. We need to focus on electing conservatives and gradually installing conservative judges in the SC and conservative academics in universities and closing the CBC and so on. It will take decades. But as soon as the 1.3 billion Muslims see that we conservatives are dealing with the real problem of the utopian left they will back off because they will know they can’t win.

Otherwise I’m going to have to go up and down my street and try and determine who’s a Moderate and who’s an extremist – I can’t do that.

Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-07-31 8:01:45 AM

Nevertheless, it remains the case that Canada is a democracy, and in order for the right side of the political isle to form the government, a plurality, and preferrably a majority, of the electorate must be convinced to cast their vote for the conservative party.

Therefore, those people who come here to the Shotgun and make fanatical and extremist claims, from the perspective the electorate as a whole, are damaging our ability to win their hearts and minds. In that sense, these right-of-center extremists are as damaging to our efforts to see the world improve, from our perspective, as are the very opponents over which they are foaming at the mouth.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-07-31 8:30:04 AM

Agreed nomdenet. You might want to read Robert Fulford in the National Post Saturday 29 July 2006, on "Lebanon According To Hezbollah" I suggested that Ezra reprint it, and also forwarded the piece to the Jerusalem Post today.
CBC and CTV are manipulating the News as well as
CNN. Most Canadian Military detest the Canadian
and the International Media, who for the sake of a better word; "lie" MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 8:30:44 AM

I think there's a problematical tranformation in the cards for North America, related to population growth, China and India supposedly have booming economies yet the majority in both countries live on less than $500 a year. As population grows in North America there are going to be major changes. Right now the 'poor' here are not that badly off by global standards but there will be steady movement towards global standards, if our population growth continues, and all indications are that it will, and we will develop enormous collections of the truly poor - no jobs, no education, no hope. Is there any doubt they will vote socialist? We have decades of rapid change ahead of us and there will be hard times. The set-up's in place, "progressives" have disbursed their ideology of entitlement and social justice through the media and the education system, it's quite possible democracy will result in the North American versions of Chavez or Hamas grasping power. We've got our own revolution coming down the tracks, we'll have to deal with it before we can save the world.

Posted by: calgarian | 2006-07-31 8:46:44 AM

On Friday [I think it was, or perhaps Thursday] last week the CBC had its correspondent in Lebanon interview the President of Lebanon.

This is the arabic speaking correspondent, the good looking one, with the pale skin and the wide-spaced eyes.

She interviewed this guy, and he said all the things that he should be expected to say: Israel is a monster, they made an unprovoked attack on the UN, we stand behind Hezbollah, Nasrallah is a freedom fighter and a hero, we stand firm, blah, blah blah.

However, the thing that struck me was not this guy's fulminations, but that the correspondent was utterly sympathetic to him. In other words, our national, tax-funde broadcaster is a Hezbollah sympathizer, a terrorist sympathizer.

I would love to see the CBC dismantled. Ya know, in turning the tv-watching public against Israel, they are in effect making it easier, more comfortable for the terrorists to operate, and in so doing, put our own soldiers in Afghanistan at risk.

Posted by: DCM | 2006-07-31 8:58:33 AM

Jack, yup Fulford is great, but most of the MSM lies and/or is lazy. This isn’t a war between Israel and the Hez. It’s a War between the West and Islamofascism led by Iran. I think we can get Iran to negotiate just like Nixon got China to join the West. . I know, I know, ... there’s still problems with China. But their interests are now more and more closely aligned with ours than they were before Nixon. These issues take decades. Maybe it takes us ol farts to realize that we aren’t going to get instant gratification on Iraq, the Hez, and Iran etc. Perseverance is key.

Vitruvious, yup, we have trolls in our party. We have trolls in my Church. Trolls are everywhere. Trolls are dangerous to our health and we have to clean up the SC, academia and the MSM . We need to marginalize them. By doing that we’ll show the Moderates how to marginalize their trolls.

Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-07-31 9:04:05 AM

The "Talking Head" you refer to is in fact Lebanese "Canadian". CBC has lots of talking heads, most profoundly biased and ignorant, not really "reporters". In reply to Calgarian" you are right. The nature of our work, technology and aerospace development consulting for decades
often requires economic impact studies. We bring in highly skilled academics for this mostly from Dalhousie U Halifax NS, Canada will indeed slide into a "have not" status unless the mentality of the welfare state and entitlement vanishes. The tragic decline of the Canadian aerospace sector during my life time, is an example, which hit Western Canada particularly hard. For instance McDonnell Douglas Malton ON, had one of the best and highest skilled labor forces in the World in 1974-1978, but Federal focus on Quebec caused a major change in priorities (and that is only one of many horror stories") also the decline of Canadian shipbuilding and the loss of skills which were introduced to Canada in the 18th centuary. I cite these instances because the loss of marketable skills is the first step in major industrial decline, which Canada is facing at this moment. MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 9:43:26 AM

Everone who knew the London Tube bombers thought they were moderates.

Posted by: Speller | 2006-07-31 9:45:42 AM


And how many were so called peace activists? They claimed they would not hurt a fly, and yet there they were, all dressed up in bombs, doing jihad, on average innocent civilians!

When so called moderates go crazy, and the average Muslim simply spends his day defending himself, instead of attacking the premises of Jihad and terrorism, I get more and more uncomfortable.

And, let us be rest assured, there are men and women of the Muslim faith, who are out there, as pissed as the rest of us, that this is happenning. They are not out there defending the terrorists. They are doing what any righteous person would do, and you can tell the difference. It is in their eyes! They are gentle people, and can be trusted.

The others, who go burning flags, destroying buildings, and attacking pregnant women, without provokation, they are the enemy!

Posted by: Lady | 2006-07-31 9:53:20 AM

Jack I think the decline starts with the lack of an investment class. We need more rich people to make equity investments in our enterprises. The Liberals and their cabal of families, Desmarais and Stronach and Bombardier want to run it like a banana republic and hold all the investment cards.

Conservatives are not in the pockets of big business. The Liberals are tight with big family run business, particularly regulated industries. We need to bust up the CRTC , for example. Instead Conservatives have a large base of entrepreneurial support.

We need to cut the taxes on capital gains and encourage the growth of an investment class versus a bureaucratic/government class that want to invest our own money in CUPE run day care outlets.

We now have a choice before us.

Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-07-31 9:54:55 AM

Would not include Frank Stronach with Bombardier or Demarais. Stronach, well known to us started out as an immigrant machinest from Austria and became an icon in the industry because he is smart as hell, and discovered a market niche which created new wealth and opportunities, which continue to this day. When one talks to the Honorable Belinda Stronach, she certainly thoroughly understands her father's businesses,and technology manufacturing more than any other politician we have met over the past some fifty years. Too bad she crossed over.

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 10:17:41 AM

Good point Jack

Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-07-31 10:20:11 AM

Desmarias company, Power Corporation, had considerable shares in Total Elf Fina, which was given drilling rights in Iraq through Saddam Hussein's close personal relationship with French president Jacques Chirac.

Desmarais' father-in-law Jean Chretien was against Canada's involvement in the US action to enforce UN resolutions against Hussein, even though Canada supported action in Afghanistan.

Chretien can deny the connection all he likes, but chances are he was also profiting from Hussein's expolitation of Iraq's populace through the corrupt Oil-For-Food program.

Posted by: Set you free | 2006-07-31 10:26:41 AM

In supporting Bombardier, Chretien was only emulating France's support for its nationalized airline industry.

Chirac provided Iraq with its air force hardware and Iraq was paying off the debt by supplying oil to France. One of the reasons France voted against the invasion of Iraq was because of this debt.

International convention has it that a country's people are not responsible for debts run up by a deposed dictator.

The huge amount of debt by France, Germany and Russia for military equiments used to arm Hussein's regime is the very reason they voted against invading.

Posted by: Set you free | 2006-07-31 10:31:20 AM

Just another point about Iran's potential future
the US War College and the Brooking's Institute have published several papers on the "Iran" Threat. Our opinion is that for instance if the Mullah's had pissed off the Soviets they would have turned Iran into a cinder covered parking lot with nuclear weapons.
But if the US "attacks" most likely they will use
a new laser guided tactical hard cased bomb, the CBU 550 capable of penetrating 2,000 feet of earth works and 200 feet on reinforced concrete
a "strong bomb" with dense TNT and aluminum powder for maximum effect. these bombs could knock out all of Iran's Nuclear and Power facilities with minimum loss of life. MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 10:37:57 AM

Iran needs to be dealt with but casual talk of nuking their cities doesn't exactly amount to useful policy advice for those who would have to make the decisions. Also, Winston, I don't think the opponents of the regime in Teheran are yet prepared to do what it takes to topple it. Certainly they have not yet understood that force will be necessary.

Posted by: TJ | 2006-07-31 10:39:54 AM


Where did you find info on the CBU 550 specs. Are you talking about the terradynamic cavitator Lockheed was working on?

Posted by: TJ | 2006-07-31 10:43:08 AM

I agree TJ. They see themselves in a war that has been going on for 14 centuries. I see it since 9/11; many still don’t see it.

So, if they are trying to provoke us into a full-scale battle, we should ask ourselves why are they doing that? Should we comply with their wishes? Or should we try and figure out their strategy and set the agenda ourselves versus let them set it. We, in the West , should only do battle when we’re prepared to go through the democratic process of Parliament and Congress and get approval from our people to go in and win.

We won’t get that approval. First we need to fight and win against our own utopians. We can’t skip that step.

Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-07-31 10:51:18 AM


I doubt we have the luxury of fighting the war of ideas at home first. Anyhow, the basic problem isn't really the left per se, but the average man and woman on the street. They don't want to see their society threatened by the Islamo-nuts, but their instinctive reaction is to 'change the channel'. There will be a day when that will be impossible, but I fear it will have to be much more deadly than 9/11. At that point the West will wake up and there will be a butcher's bill to pay in our enemies' homelands.
I suspect president Bush's strategy can be better understood if we realize he's trying to win without the horrors of Total War. Good on him for that.
Specifically on Iran, remember, Sun Tzu opined the greatest victories were the ones that avoided sending the army into the field.

Posted by: TJ | 2006-07-31 11:40:08 AM

Agreed, TJ. It is to the great credit of modern western civilization, particularly the Americans and the Israelis, that we do not run around dropping nuclear weapons on people unless we believe that there is absolutely no other way to minimize bad results. That's what rational people do, especially considering the massive bad results that come from using nuclear weapons in the first place.

We are trying to find some way, almost any way really, to acquire and/or maintain peace, order, freedom, and justice, without having to write up a butcher's bill. I think that those who suggest we should behave otherwise are as much enemies of western civilization as those who are obviously our enemies.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-07-31 11:54:21 AM

Yes TJ, and as others have noted here before, if the West had listened to Churchill’s comments on the “gathering storm” how many millions of lives could have been saved?

Gosh, even the left can read history. I’m making progress with my utopian BA in Humanities friends, it’s slow but it’s big progress in the last month.

We need to defeat the utopian mentality. We need to get a majority Conservative government elected as fast as possible. Hopefully Giuliani or some facsimile gets in 2008. That will save lives.

Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-07-31 11:59:05 AM

The CBU 550 was reviewed on the US Site Military.Com several months ago, but is one of several which now include GPS precision guided
munitions, in use by the USAF and Navy plus the RAF. All of these weapons would be utilized in Afghanistan or certainly against Iran and Syria.
IDF shot down 100 Syrian AF fighters in one day
a few years ago. A consensus appears to be in the
West that Iran and Syria must be punished to be controlled MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 12:10:25 PM

Canadian media led by the CBC CTV Red Star and G&M are bitterly condemming IDF for the Qaan bombing, but reports from Jordan and Isreal indcate that the structure did not collapse (tumble) until 8 hours after an explosion. Took a very close look at the structure which was built using prestreesed and precast concete panels and frame. I have thought that some 60 people in the structure was a bit much to accept. But precast structures will tumble or collapse from ground shock waves which need not be in close proximity.
That is why when earthquakes hit places like India, Iran, Pakistan where precast is normal buildings will collapse &
tumble. all structural engineers and architects know this in fact the process of precast prestressed concrete for building was invnted by French engineers in Lebanon. Lebanese precasters are among the best in the industry. I think hezbollah set off a big bang and knew the biased and untruthful western media would buy their bullshit. CBC don't ask questions unless they already know the answers. CBC should be sold to the Asper family. MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 12:35:58 PM

The media has been over-covering the war in Lebanon, with very little on the effects of the war on Israel!

Here is an article I found, while googling. I believe it is the first one I have read, that shows the Israeli side, to this conflict!


Just how desperate is Hezbollah?
By David Potter July 31, 2006

The death of innocent women and children in Qana, is of course, a sad and regrettable thing. The deaths of innocents always are. There is something revolting about the idea of young lives being cut short in this manner; and the world as always, has been quick to blame Israel.

Yet little has been said about the rocket attacks by Hezbollah, which has been using children such as these as human shields. If indeed it was an Israeli weapon which brought down the building these children were sleeping in, it was not Israel which was at fault - but Hezbollah. It was Hezbollah which sought refuge among the civilians of Qana. And it was Hezbollah which brought an Israeli attack upon Qana -- first by their presence -- and second by their rocket fire into Israel's cities.

Hezbollah is at fault for hiding behind the women and children of Qana and using them as human Shields. They knew that Israel's attacks would come. Perhaps they were even counting on it, to deflect world criticism away from their terrorist group, and towards Israel. It would not be the first time a terrorist group has used the deaths of children as a rallying cause. At the very least -- Hezbollah can be accused of negligence in the deaths of these children. But there are also hints that Hezbollah may have had a far more direct role in their deaths.

Not only is Israel not at fault -- it may not have even been involved.

According to the Associated Press:

"The Israeli Army said it was investigating Qana. It said it was puzzled that the strike on Qana happened between midnight and 1 a.m. local time and hit next to the building, but that the building only collapsed around 7 a.m. Brig. Gen. Amir Eshel said it was at least possible that the explosion was caused by munitions stored inside the building."

It would be just like Hezbollah to set off a bomb inside this building - after luring dozens of innocents inside -- just to have something they could blame on Israel. After all, that's what terrorist organizations do.

If true . . . it is a sign of Hezbollah's desperation over Israel's campaign.

They had everything to gain and nothing to lose. And previously, things had not been going well for Hezbollah. They expected world condemnation for Israel's campaign to destroy them; but for the most part, it was not as large as they hoped for. True - their usual "allies" in Europe were quick to condemn Israel.

Maybe they were not allies in the conventional sense, but the hesitation and lack of leadership among European countries served the same purpose. There was none of the expected support from the Arab world however.

Instead -- the Arab world criticized Hezbollah.

Some of the Lebanese criticized Hezbollah also. Lebanon was entering an age of prosperity compared to the Civil War years. Syria had been forced to leave. Lebanon had a new airport in Beirut. There were shops and places of business, where before there had been only poverty and ruins. Although buildings with bullet holes in them were ghastly reminders of the past, Lebanon considered itself to be "the other democracy" in the Middle East.

"Why" many of them asked, "did Hezbollah chose now to start a conflict".

Perhaps it was for the same reason they may have also blown up the building in Qana, and taken the lives of innocent women and children. Hezbollah thrives on conflict. Peace and prosperity on the other hand, have the opposite effect. It tends to diminish Hezbollah, and relegate it to a level of less importance.

Without conflict Hezbollah -- like other terrorist organizations -- cannot survive.

Lebanon's government had also reached a moment of truth; and in principle at least, had agreed to dismantle Hezbollah. True -- they would have needed the help of an international force. Lebanon's military was not strong enough to do it themselves. The offer was being negotiated however, and might have been the final ingredient that forced Hezbollah into an act of desperation.

If taking Israeli hostages was a calculated risk for Hezbollah, then so would be blowing up a building full of Lebanese civilians. At this point in time, of course, the investigation has barely begun. The idea that Hezbollah blew up the building -- and not Israel -- is now speculation. It is simply a theory but, like all theories, it can be tested. Today, there is only the "mystery" of why a building that was not even allegedly hit by Israel, took so long to crumble to the ground.

If it were hit by Israel -- it took 6 hours to fall?

A matter of minutes . . . people could understand.

But a matter of hours . . . could only involve an act of desperation by Hezbollah.


Meanwhile, the facts, that the dead bodies, of the children and women, were placed into the building, and then it exploded, was not made public, until after this article was written.

Posted by: Lady | 2006-07-31 12:43:35 PM

And, I am still waiting for the western media, to pick up on this fact. We use forensics all over the world, and the media is quick to discuss details, but for some bizarre reason, they are avoiding the realities, that the bodies showed effects that would have been in place, only if they had died well before the explosion!

And, the record of the missile attack on the Hizbullah missile launcher, that ended in the early hours of the morning. There was no Israeli fire, at the time that the building exploded, and the suppossed children, and women were killed.

And, why are western media sending in such stupid, uneducated people, to get reports!?

Posted by: Lady | 2006-07-31 12:47:21 PM

Yet another shamefully superficial performance by the media?

It will be interesting to see how the latest Big Bang Theory plays out.

Posted by: Set you free | 2006-07-31 1:02:05 PM

If the IDF had hit the Qaan structure with a GBU28 Laser Guided Bomb, capable of penetrating 200 feet of earthworks and 20 feet of reinforced concrete the building would have been blown up and into small fragmented pieces. The bodies of the dead would also have been reduced to small parts and spread out over a very wide area. The GBU28 designed by Lockheed and Raytheon is a very powerful example of laser guided munitions.
CNN just featured some unknown Brit talking to a lady from Amnesty International which is anti US, and Israel has been for many, many years, their theory being bullshit baffles brains. Cheers

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-07-31 1:30:36 PM

Based on the time difference discussed above, I see no reason why the building simply couldn't have fallen in on itself hours after the strike on the launch sites. Badly damaged buildings of that form tend to behave like that.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-07-31 1:42:58 PM

Why would Iran prepare to fight countries that have been openly threatening it for months? I don't understand?!

Posted by: Duh | 2006-07-31 4:49:09 PM

It seems to me that we're going out of our way to not threaten Iran. If we were going out of our way to threaten Iran, there would be millions dead, and there arean't.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-07-31 5:09:17 PM

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