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Wednesday, March 08, 2006
Women Worth Celebrating
Today is International Women's Day, or Woman's Day, whichever. I tend to be quite cynical about this sort of nonsense, as such things are generally created by and for comfortable white women with every opportunity open to them. It's sort of like women's studies courses at universities -- all there for spoiled girls with nothing significant to whine about. However, like many, I have seen this widely-circulated video of Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist, giving 'em hell on al Jazeera. And it has occurred to me that women like her deserve a day, and then some, in their honour. Here is part of what she had to say:
The Jews have come from the tragedy [of the Holocaust], and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror; with their work, not with their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. Fifteen million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.
Extraordinary. Of course, she has been denounced as a blasphemer, a heretic and an infidel. I figure a fatwa isn't far off. I just hope she doesn't get beheaded. Women like Sultan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and every other moderate female Muslim, who doesn't want to live under the restrictions Islamists would impose upon them, are a great ally for us in this war. I believe an army of them, with ideas and nothing more, can go a long way to bringing down the enemy.
Cross-posted at Wonkitties.
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That's what real courage looks like.
Compare and contrast that to George Clooney and the idiot lefties in Hollywood. The fluffery of Hollywood insult the brave by their obsurd claims of inclusion into the ranks of better people than themselves.
Posted by: Warwick | 2006-03-08 11:41:10 AM
I won't celebrate today until the damn fake feminists stop standing against me being a stay at home mom...
Posted by: Sara | 2006-03-08 11:41:51 AM
In the name of true eguality, when is International Men's Day ?
Posted by: JRob | 2006-03-08 11:43:01 AM
The is true courage and these women deserve not only our praise but our total support, like other Muslims men and women, to risk their lives to rescue Islam from the Islamists.
The majority of our so-called 'women's associations' funded of course by our tax dollars couldn't care less about issues needed to be addressed. I see they are demanding that the new government continue with the Liberal national day-care plan. This is typical of how little they represent Canadian women and how they are nothing more than radical leftish. They will do support anything that attacks, undermines and seeks to destroy the traditional family, motherhood and the true wellfare of children.
Posted by: Alain | 2006-03-08 11:51:16 AM
Wanna see a list of Jews who have won Nobel Prizes
All 150 of them and Oh! I also listed the 7 Arabs who have won. One of them is that terrorist Arafat.
http://dukemcgoo.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Duke | 2006-03-08 12:06:06 PM
Yes - she's incredible. Absolutely incredible.
So is Irshad Manji.
They are Real Women - who are not afraid to confront, to dissent, to insist on justice.
The feminists began with constructive intentions about 40 years ago and assisted in guiding the change in social structure that was developing on its own anyway - after WWII - the entrance of women into the public (out of the house) economic realm.
But, like unions, these groups have become dysfunctional and even anti-social. Their denigration of men, their denigration of the family, their denial of the biological differences between men and women, their insistence on a resultant privileged equality..is harmful to society.
Then, along with this insistence on equality, is an insistence on special treatment and privileges - such as changing the criteria of selection for particular professions, to enable women who don't meet those standards, to enter the field (eg. military).
Many programs in women's studies seem to be completely ignorant of history, ignorant of social structure - and ground their perspectives solely on the simplistic and false beliefs that Men are Patriarchal and domineering..etc.
And - most of them are completely disinterested in the role of the family and the nurturance of the next generation.
What I also find strange, is how, with the feminist adamant rejection of 'the woman's body as an object', that plastic surgery of that same woman's body has burgeoned over the decades of feminist domination. The perception that the body IS an object, to be modeled and remodeled as often as one wishes..and as often as one's bank can fund..is considered a feminist attribute. Puzzling.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 12:10:33 PM
Just to fan the flames here, I think a big part of the Islamofascists movement is about a bunch of medieval males who don’t want to relinquish the Qur’an’s teachings that woman aren’t equal to men. These Neanderthals like things the way they have been for 1400 years (I confess that there are brief moments when … nah .. I’d better not go there, look what happened to Larry Summers)
Men from the civilized West can recognize this Islamofascism for what it is and fight it verbally and militarily; but men aren’t going to change those tribal cultures. Only women can.
So God Bless the very brave woman mentioned on this thread and I hope the women in our Western civilization worry as much about this subject as they do about getting into the Augusta Golf Course with Maureen Dowd.
Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-03-08 12:35:24 PM
" Of course, she has been denounced as a blasphemer, a heretic and an infidel."
Wait four months.
John M Reynolds
Posted by: jmrSudbury | 2006-03-08 12:39:57 PM
Here is another list of reasons to be very suspicious of anything Muslim
http://dukemcgoo.blogspot.com/2006/03/know-your-muslims.html
Posted by: Duke | 2006-03-08 12:44:58 PM
My true women of the year has always been Queen Esther who stood up for the Jews being persecuted
(Est 4:7 KJV) And Mordecai told him of all that had happened unto him, and of the sum of the money that Haman had promised to pay to the king's treasuries for the Jews, to destroy them. 8 Also he gave him the copy of the writing of the decree that was given at Shushan to destroy them, to show it unto Esther, and to declare it unto her, and to charge her that she should go in unto the king, to make supplication unto him, and to make request before him for her people.
(Est 4:12 KJV) And they told to Mordecai Esther's words. 13 Then Mordecai commanded to answer Esther, Think not with thyself that thou shalt escape in the king's house, more than all the Jews. 14 For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this? 15 Then Esther bade them return Mordecai this answer, 16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not
Posted by: Christian | 2006-03-08 1:09:05 PM
>>We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people.
History revisionist, you realy did shit in your pants.
and what not one Israeli soldier had murdered a defenseless Palestinian now protesting that Israel had stolen their land? They undeniably did.
Posted by: Queen Sheba | 2006-03-08 1:13:31 PM
>Can Muslims be Good Americans?
Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.
Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist.
Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
good Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends.
The more of us who understand this, the better it will be for our country.
The war is bigger than we know; Pass this on.
What do you think?"
Send it to S harpoer and P MacKay too
Posted by: Canadian | 2006-03-08 1:17:04 PM
Hey you fanatic supporters of the old thieving Jew Israel. who has been even replaced by the new wine, the new Jew, the new bride, the Christian church.
There is not one verse in support of Israel return to their land, their land claim of Israel by Jesus, or by any of the apostles in the whole new testament.
On the contrary the Bible says they Israel lost it all even as a nation when they had forsaken the true God and his commandments and Jesus as their Messiah.
Jesus himself had said their house would be desolate.. and he cursed the fig tree and it died . (Mat 23:37 KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
I trust that P Mackay MP can get this wrong too..
Posted by: Reality | 2006-03-08 1:24:36 PM
what you cannot find a true good canadian woman of the year?
Not even Colleen Klein who stood behind her bad husband wine while he was drinking thrree bottles of wine a day, abusing social welfare recipients and the other drunks too?
Posted by: Belinda | 2006-03-08 1:27:54 PM
So- what do you suggest, Duke and Canadian - Ship all people of the Muslim faith in the USA and Canada to some country that, legally, operates by Islam?
I recall that the same perspective, i.e., stating that X-people could not be members of a religion and also citizens of Y-country, was a basic belief of the Third Reich. Their 'final solution' was dual - (1) get them out of the country by expulsion and expropriation of their land and property, by forbidding them the rights of other citizens such as the right to own property, the right to work; (2) and/or get rid of them by 'camps'.
Why not, instead, stick up for our principles of democracy, which includes freedom of religion and freedom of speech and freedom to dissent..and insist that, if they wish to live in this country, they must abide by our rules (cf. that's what the PM of Australia said)..and, support those Muslims who are insisting that Islam reform itself.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 1:28:50 PM
One of the Globe's headlines today is "Stick to child-care deals, women urge Harper". Of course, it turns out that women are urging no such thing; rather, an assortment of the usual suspects are agitating for state-run daycare. (http://tinyurl.com/oy3cx)
My feelings on International Women's Day are essentially the same: it's not about women, it's about left-leaning politics.
Posted by: dr_dog | 2006-03-08 1:31:35 PM
I am having a real hard time trying to figure out still who was the best womman of Canada
we know undeniably the best Canadian was the Christian preacher Tommy Douglas from the NDP too
But that was in the good old days when the west was a true Bible belt and not rather as today the mostly self centered Devil's belt too.
Tommy Douglas was the most influential politician never to be elected Prime Minister. He pursued his radical ideas relentlessly until they became so mainstream rival politicians claimed them as their own. Called a communist and threatened by in-party fighting, Douglas battled hard to bring the New Democratic Party to legitimacy in its first ten years. He was often criticized for his singular idealism but through it all Douglas was undeterred, convinced that he was helping to create a better, more humane society. In 2004, Douglas was voted number one in CBC's The Greatest Canadian contest.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-73-851/politics_economy/tommy_douglas/
Posted by: Paul | 2006-03-08 1:39:13 PM
>>>So- what do you suggest, Duke and Canadian - Ship all people of the Muslim faith in the USA and Canada to some country that, legally, operates by Islam?
Amen
or put them into prsion?
They are being kicked out of many Countries world wide already and that is how many of them ended up next in Canada
At least the west does not murder someone who has converted to the Christian faith like they do in the Muslim Countries.
Posted by: Canadian | 2006-03-08 1:42:26 PM
Whomever this lady is making these bald statements should be educated. No Jew (or rather Israeli, (lets not sweepingly turn political issues revolving around displacement of populations and land into simplistic religous issues), has ever blown themselves up--They have Apache Helicopters and F-16's with which to maim Palestinian children instead.
Posted by: Bruce Lee | 2006-03-08 1:44:34 PM
>>One of the Globe's headlines today is "Stick to child-care deals, women urge Harper". Of course, it turns out that women are urging no such thing; rather, an assortment of the usual suspects are agitating for state-run daycare.
complained more likley by the liberal women who ironically mostly practice abortion, divorce, lesbianism and adultery
New recent statistics released indicate that single women are increasing in Canada even due to divorce.
Posted by: Paul | 2006-03-08 1:47:03 PM
PS: While we're on the topic of International Women's Day, a speaker visited my university a few months ago to lecture about female circumcision in Africa. You know: that abusive, obviously patriarchal convention designed to keep women in their place, which is almost unbelievable in this day and age. Right?
Wrong. Apparently female circumcision is an “important rite of passage” for women and contributes to their socialisation in a way that we Westerners just aren't fit to judge. The strongest condemnation she could muster was that she “...Would like to see that the practice ends, but in a way that does not make the position of girls and women worse in society.” (http://tinyurl.com/es8nv ) -- Human rights, it seems, only apply to the developed world.
Never have the absurd contradictions of feminist cultural relativism been so apparent. So to all readers, I wish you a surreal International Women's Day.
Posted by: dr_dog | 2006-03-08 1:48:17 PM
Paul - How do 'We' (??? who are 'we'?) know, UNDENIABLY that 'Tommy Douglas' was 'the best Canadian'.
Why is it undeniable?
I certainly don't agree with you. The CBC is hardly a legitimate source of truth and its vote can't be defined as valid and reliable.
Don't you think that it would be more accurate for you to say that YOU, yourself, consider Mr. Douglas to be 'the best Canadian'..rather than asserting that he IS such - without the possibility for others to have very different conclusions?
My, my, Canadian. What a democratic tactic. Round up all Muslims and 'ship them elsewhere'. Do you suggest cattle cars for ease of shipment?
Or - put them in prison. Do you mean concentration camps? Have you learned anything from WWII?
What legal grounds do you have for such an action? Doesn't that move you into a non-democratic nation?
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 1:49:12 PM
>>Whomever this lady is making these bald statements should be re-educated. No Jew (or rather Israeli, has ever blown themselves up--They have Apache Helicopters and F-16's with missles with which to maim Palestinian children instead.
and wrongfully justify it in the name of the same God who has said they are no longer his people too. And God still does not support these murders.
Posted by: Tom | 2006-03-08 1:51:13 PM
Women Worth Celebrating
For me, that would be my wife, my daughter, my four Grand daughters, and Maggie Thatcher!
Posted by: Joe Molnar | 2006-03-08 1:54:16 PM
Watch the CBC movie this weekend the Tommy Douglas story and learn why too,
and maybe next they will make a movie about you?
released from prison for wasting taxpayer's money by playing at work on the internet?
Posted by: Tom | 2006-03-08 1:54:39 PM
ET .. you are usually a pretty clear thinker, but on this one your naieve ...
They won't they don't they can't. So they have to go.
I don't think any of them can be trusted and as I mention above, they will not ever be us anymore than we will ever be them. Except may George Looney and Michael Moron.
I am for getting them out of our country unless they denounce publicly their idiotic culture and start behaving like free decent people. But I would monitor them even after they did.
If they cannot assumilate into the western culture then why are they here? That is the question.
Posted by: Duke | 2006-03-08 1:54:46 PM
By the way - I'm an atheist. I'm aware that some people are not. Fine - that's their business; just as my atheism is my business.
Therefore, I don't fling my perspective on the nature of metaphysical reality at them, and I would appreciate it if these people do not cut-and-paste selections from the bible (which is meaningless to me)..and fling it onto their posts.
Just as my atheism can't be used to support an argument - so also, selections from the bible can't be used to support an argument.
An argument must stand on its own logic, reason and evidence. Snip and paste selections from various texts, including the bible, are an 'argumentum ad verecundiam' and therefore, are fallacious tactics of argumentation. They prove zilch.
Paul- what a strange thing to say ' liberal women who mostly practice abortion, lesbianism, divorce and adultery'. I'm not sure what you mean by 'liberal'. And those four terms: abortion, lesbianism, divorce and adultery' are hardly equivalent and you are using it, in an ad hominem manner, to attack their position (on daycare).
I'm against their position on day care also- but, surely my opposition ought to be based, not on ad hominem against them, but on the basis of whether/not such a daycare contributes to the well-being of the child, and whether/not it provides citizens with free-choice options rather than a top-down centralized governance.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 2:02:36 PM
For the good of us all, the rest of us good folks, I always do consistently and rightfully advocate using the existing laws and putting all of trouble makers, the abd immoral persons into prison, and even any Jews, Christians, Easterners, westerners, politicians, civil and public servants, even any Albertans too
Anyone who still thinks that Muslims are not real religious fanatics disturbing the peace shoveling too often their religion down other people throats, never mind their common lying, stealing, tax evasions too as I have witnessed too often in Canada has now not dealt with a Muslim.
For Islam is not a relgion it is sadly a murder weapon.
I also got fed up with all those too many lying refugees who put down they are Christians when applying to Canada.
Posted by: Paul | 2006-03-08 2:03:22 PM
>>By the way - I'm an atheist. I'm aware that some people are not.
Thnak God you are an atheist
otherwise hell might be empty next
Posted by: Belinda | 2006-03-08 2:05:30 PM
>> liberal women who mostly practice abortion, lesbianism, divorce and adultery
Real Women of Canada Promote equality for all women including homemakers, with emphasis on the family as most important unit in society and champion traditional values
www.realwomenca.com
Conservative women such as the Real Women of Canada who are also professing Christians they do not do these things they are unbiblical, forbidden by the Bible. That is why they dare to call themselves too now the real women.
you being an atheist I now understand your Bible and moral, liberal ignorance
Maybe next Real Women would be my choice for the best Canadian women?
Posted by: paul | 2006-03-08 2:11:26 PM
No, Duke - I disagree with you. I don't think that the answer to 'the Muslim problem' is to 'round them up and ship them elsewhere'. That was the solution, also to 'the Jewish problem' - and look where that led us.
The difference between these two situations is that the Jewish people, in Germany, in Italy, etc, weren't causing any problems. The opposite. Indeed, many had lived for centuries in those European countries, and did not consider themselves by their religion, but by their national citizenship - e.g. as Germans, as Italians.
Most certainly, the Muslims in the ME countries are causing serious problems. And, many of the immigrant Muslims in Europe/Canada are ideologically brainwashed by these ME imams; indeed, Saudi Arabia set up many of the mosques in Europe/N.America..and supports them.
But - is the solution to round up all Muslims and ship them to the ME? How would that help? I think it would set up an explosive situation.
First- it would prove to these people that they are completely unacceptable to the West. They would, rather than attempting to reform their religion and its mindset, and move themselves out of the middle ages, become reified in that same mentality - with a violent hatred of the west. Now, it's the extremists who hate the west. When you ship everyone out, with their losing their homes here, their futures here - you'd set up everyone in a mode of hatred. Then, you really would set up a 'clash of civilizations'. There'd be no holds barred; either they win or we win. Everyone would be an extremist.
So- I reject your solution.
I think that thhe solution has to be, as Irshad Manji and Wafa Sultan outline - that the Muslims themselves have to take charge and speak out against the extremists. The moderate Muslims. For instance - the Manifesto: together facing the new totalitarianism. That's a vitally important manifesto, signed by 12 public international moderate Muslims - seeking the reform of islam. It was posted here last week, but unfortunately lost in a 'double post'. If you google 'Manifesto: Together facing the new totalitarianism"...you'll find it. It's excellent.
To my mind - that's the way to go.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 2:15:38 PM
If they cannot assumilate into the western culture then why are they here? That is the question.
To get an education, to rich while pushing Islam down other peoples throat and to certainly to make Canada a theocratic dictatorship as well
You did know that in many Muslim regions the girls, women cannot go to school?
70 percent of Quebecers polled would still not let their sons and daughter marry a Muslim ( nor a Jewish person) and kinda explains why so many Jews left Quebec and went to Toronto, Calgary too.
Posted by: Canadian | 2006-03-08 2:16:21 PM
ET,
I ardently subscribe to Christian values simply because they are right and good and make sense. If nothing else, they are good values to live by.
The fact that I too am Atheist doesn't create a conflict for me. I simply don't believe in magic.
I also subscribe to logical thinking and that is why I cannot believe in a diety.
I think that human evolution has not gone far enough down the line yet where many humans, or in the case of Muslims, sub-humans, can get on very well without a strong belief system.
One does not have to be a believer to employ what is right and good into their lives. Nor to be able to call a spade a spade.
Posted by: Duke | 2006-03-08 2:17:07 PM
Well, Belinda my dear - since I don't believe in heaven or hell..then, what can I say to your threat??? It's without meaning. Sorry.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 2:18:06 PM
I got to go my boss
Jesus is coming
Posted by: Tom | 2006-03-08 2:18:48 PM
Et, you are arguing with 'the Preacher' a Multi Nic Troll I first encountered on the Canoe Canadian Politics Forum in 1999.
On this thread Preacher has used these Nics:
Reality
Belinda
Canadian
Queen Sheba
Christian
Paul
Tom
paul(small)
All the same psycho.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-03-08 2:22:31 PM
Further ...
YOur last post was crying out a bit "IF ONLY"
If only we allow Muslims enough time to see the light and assimilate or at least stop hating and trying to take over our culture just doesnt' cut it.
If they are going to reform, they need to reform in the countries they come from or we can never be sure about any of them. We should know enough about them by now to know that they cannot be trusted ... any of them.
They need to earn our trust, but changing their own countries and showing the world that they accept others. So far they have not shown any sign of that.
Sure, there are one or two speaking out, but what about the other one and half billion of them?
I reject your argument at pollyanna.
Posted by: Duke | 2006-03-08 2:22:52 PM
Canadian, you're treading on thin ice here.
In particular, you seem to be arguing a rehash of the old lie that Catholics (or Jews, or whatever) cannot be "true" Americans/Swiss/Germans/etc. because their loyalty is divided between the state and their faith. For an elegant refutation, see Matthew 22:21.
Regardless, the suggestion to deport Canadian Muslims en masse is ridiculous, and hearkens back to a certain point in history that no sane person would care to repeat. As much as I oppose Sharia or theocracy taking root in Canada, a police state with the power to kill, imprison, or "monitor" people at will isn't even worth considering.
Posted by: dr_dog | 2006-03-08 2:24:48 PM
>>The fact that I too am Atheist doesn't create a conflict for me. I simply don't believe in magic.
you likely will when the doctor next says you a or your loved ones are sick and the Doctors cannot help them for who else can you go for help?
I HAVE BEEN THERE OFTEN MYSELF,
even when they told me my own daughter had an incurable disease and she was going to die. The same medical doctors next told me they had no explanations for it but she had managed to cure herself. And with no remissions too.
The fact still is that most of the prayer requests received by pastors are
1: Firstly about marriage or a problem spouse
2: Prayer for a sick or dying love one
3: a better Job and more money
This has been my experience the last 30 years in Canada
(Isa 53:5 KJV) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
(Acts 10:38 KJV) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. (Heb 13:8 KJV) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome
Posted by: paul | 2006-03-08 2:29:53 PM
Canadian - your conclusion that the reason many Jews left Quebec was because Quebecers wouldn't intermarry isn't really valid, as the same stricture was valid for many Jews, who would not intermarry with a Catholic. The Jewish people were a strong percentage of the population in Montreal and left primarily in 1970, after the PQ won. They were afraid of Quebec's separation and weren't interested in the issue of intermarriage. Quebec certainly is not open to other groups, despite its repeated self-description that it is - and almost all of Quebec's 'diversity' is in one and only one city- Montreal.
Duke - Muslims are not sub-humans. There's no such species. They are the same species as we are. BUT - their religion is frozen into a medieval perspective ..a medieval economic, political and economic perspective - and they haven't evolved that perspective. They have to - or, they cannot function within the modern industrial world.
As you note - compare the scientific output of the Muslim world - with the rest of the world. They haven't produced a scientific thought for over 1,000 years. The two Muslims who won Nobels (Ahmed Zewail in chemistry, Abdus Salam in physics) were educated in and living in, the West! And remember - that's over a billion people - and NO SCIENCE!
The education in the Muslim world is abysmal. As has been pointed out, there are more books translated into Spanish in one year than have been translated into Arabic in one thousand years.
The patent outputs from the Muslim world - are equally nothing. For example, in one recent year, Israel received 970 US patents. Saudi Arabia - 31 - and, most of them come from the foreign expertise hired by SA. Others - NONE, NONE, None.
They aren't sub-human; they are frozen into a mindset that is 1,000 years out of date. They have to move out of it..
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 2:34:41 PM
Speller - ahh. Many thanks.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-08 2:36:18 PM
Duke, if you mean that you are having trouble distinguishing between those that are moderates and those that are radicals, therefore you find yourself fearing them all. Then you would be on solid ground. But is that what you are saying?
“Why are they here?” to escape the hellhole they came from. We encouraged them to come here, Liberals did not clearly define our expectations of them.
Again, the better question comes from a Muslim like Salim Mansur, a Poli Sci Prof who writes in the Sun, he would ask something like this:
“ As a Muslim who came from Calcutta I escaped a culture that wasn’t safe, why do you Canadians not insist that everyone adopt to your values that work in a democracy? such as:
-tolerate others but don’t redefine yourselves such that you lose the core values that allows intolerence of others creep into the Canadian society.
-equality of men and women and
-the separation of church/mosque and state.”
We have a crisis building, not as irreversible as in say Holland and France, but we are all part of the same problem in Canada because we let Liberals, the MSM and academia suck us into this post-modern, cultural relativism school of thought that is causing George Clooney to be more respected than George Bush. That is how sick we are.
We all need to cured, not just Muslims. We need to encourage Moderate Muslims to identify themselves and then we need to support them. They are now our responsibility because we have misled them with our appeasing cowardness.
Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-03-08 2:36:19 PM
I am not at all sure as to what general point your are stating.
(Mat 22:21 KJV) They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Hey many people do not do this, the reference here as firstly on paying taxes.. do you commit tax evasions?
I too do advocate putting all tax evaders in jail starting with Evangelicals chirstians too
Secondly it is not just the Muslims but also the Jehovah witnesses, some Mormons too who wrongfully refuse to swear allegiance to the secular state.
By the way the topic that gets the most posts here has been gnerally the religious discussions, notably the one about polygamy being unacceptable for all.
Posted by: Canadian | 2006-03-08 2:37:23 PM
International Women's Day is a day in which we all must gather to celebrate women and dedicate ourselves to the issues affecting women's rights around the world:
-- originally posted at http://3edgesword.blogspot.com/2006/03/happy-international-womens-day-now-go.html
-In India, 25,000 brides are burned to death annually because their dowries are insufficient for the groom's family. The grooms are never held legally accountable
-In Jordan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, raped women are still killed by their own families (so-called "honour killing") to preserve family dignity
-28 African countries conduct female genital mutilations, many of which having no legal prohibitions to the practise
-Rape has been used as a weapon of war in Chiapas, Mexico, Rwanda, Kuwait, Haiti, and Colombia.
-In Canada and the United States, women wearing clothing showing off attractive physical attributes are sometimes subjected to harassment including being offered free movies and meals
-In some parts of Canada, women who want to murder their unborn children occasionally have to travel to the abortion clinic BY BUS
Though this is a horrible world, together we can make it better.
Posted by: Feynman and Coulter's Love Child | 2006-03-08 2:41:57 PM
> All the same psycho. Posted by: Speller
Did you leave anyone out?
are you still not the jealous psycho rather?
wanting to be the first one to make the posts
the only one allowed to write and be noticed
being even the bad antichrist are you?
pretend to be a Christian?
get real, get a real job, a real life.
Posted by: Jean MacBean | 2006-03-08 2:43:31 PM
Canadian,
Stop posting bible quotes they add nothing to debate. You make yourself look like mindless fool.
I did state that I subscribe to Christian values ... not the bible or all the nuances that drove people away from Christianity and what we are fighing to Muslims for.
Speller has you listed a phoney troll ... I would list you as an asshole. Go to church if you want to pray, we are having a debate here.
Posted by: Duke | 2006-03-08 2:44:52 PM
Sorry I forgot you, Jean MacBean(Preacher) but you hadn't posted under that Nic on this particular thread yet.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-03-08 2:45:45 PM
female circumcision is an “important rite of passage” for Muslim women only
while the dirty Muslim men alone get to have all the fun
Posted by: WOW | 2006-03-08 2:46:04 PM
The point was that it's possible to have different civic and religious lives, something precluded by your original post.
Posted by: dr_dog | 2006-03-08 2:46:19 PM
You might notice, Duke, that the quotes are done in exactly the same way as Mary, Christian, and paul (small p) although Paul is the Preacher too.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-03-08 2:49:24 PM
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