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Thursday, March 16, 2006

The News of the Day . . .

. . . has a couple of Canadian angles.  They are . . .

Sujiatun organ harvesting camp investigated; Canadians express outrage: The World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong has begun a probe of the Sujiatun death camp (lead and third item). What they have found so far confirms the camp's existence and operation. Doctors at nearby organ recipient hospitals have described the camp thusly: "that place is like hell" (Epoch Times). The transcript of the report (so far) can be found at Clearwisdom. The prisoner organ harvesting continues to be a brisk and profitable business for the Communists (Epoch Times, Clearwisdom via Epoch Times). A protest against Sujiatun was held in Ottawa; among those in attendace was the China Supoort Network's Canada Director, Brian McAdam (Prime Time Crime).

. . . and . . .

The situation on Taiwan: The Jamestown Foundation's China Brief has two pieces on Communist China's aggressive actions against the island democracy - the first on Zhongnanhai's attempts to isolate Taiwan's elected President, and the second on the ever-increasing Communist military threat to Taiwan. Meanwhile, Alastair Gordon, of the Canadian Coalition for Democracies, calls for the Great White North to stand by the island democracy.

For the rest of the news (including growing triad influence in the CCP), look here.

Posted by D.J. McGuire on March 16, 2006 in International Affairs | Permalink


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Re organ harvesting: Mao's hiers still in charge.

Posted by: murray | 2006-03-16 10:00:22 AM

Besides the Edmonton arrests, there were two in British Columbia, two in Alberta, two in Manitoba, three in Ontario and one in Quebec.

3 in Alberta, Alberta leads the pack

Posted by: Even Mohamed did it | 2006-03-16 1:25:06 PM

I am sickened by this trade and traffic in people's lives.

Overseas organ "donation" is horrifying.

Posted by: Canadian freedoms fan | 2006-03-16 2:10:29 PM

EMdi: Wow ! They are harvesting organs in Alberta from falun Gong members now ?

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2006-03-17 4:19:47 PM

Hi, here is more news that has since aired on the authenticity of the allegation:


"Initial investigations by researchers for a US congressional committee have identified the site at Sujiatun as a hospital, where it is suspected organ harvesting occurs but on nowhere near the scale claimed"

Now, if there is no concentration camp, rather isolated instances of abuse and irregularity contrary to Chinese law, then there exists a very different reality than what's alleged.

The congressional committee on International relations, Asia Pacific subcommittee has been contacted. However they seem to be unwilling to help. It may be our government's wish to remain ambiguous on this issue.

My opinion is if this allegation is false, we need to make that clear, so we in the West can not be accused of allowing our ambiguity to be exploited for some nefarious, well-timed, political indictment.

Looks like efforts may be needed to make FOIA request to congressional committee. Private citizens without substantial resource and time will likely meet a lost cause.

There are also many questionable issues surround this allegation:

- Many details about the alleged camp site appears to be lifted from the hospital website's About page, including the alleged number of victims, 6000, which is part of the admission statistics published by the hospital in 2005 (2nd paragraph of About page).


- Hong Kong newspaper TaKungPao investigated the allegations and came up empty:
1) Reporters visited the hospital; the only underground structure found is the septic tank:


2) Reporters contacted Lanzhou University, but alleged arrested students' names do not exists in student registry:


- It appears the surprise discovery of an underground tunnel built by japanese army during 1905-1920 period, back in August 2005 could be the inspiration for this twist of fact.

The tunnel was sealed up by the Japanese then and unknown until it was discovered by a photographer from the 918 WWII museum working in Sujiatun.


When it was discovered in 2005 the tunnel was half *under water*, above link has a picture of it so everyone can get a good idea how this tunnel can, before its discovery in 2001, hold 6000 people,
plus an army of skilled transplant surgeons, nurses, 500-700 jail guards - equipment, rations, and supplies for nearly 10,000 people - all of them eating drinking defecating on top of each other.

And the amazing thing is Sujiatun is a populated close suburb of Shenyang city, with over 150 foreign company and 50-60 foreign family too - "nobody goes in and out of the concentration camp"?

More info about the tunnel, including dimension of the facility:


"after jumping down and passing two holes, we arrive at the entrance of the underground facility. The hallway is 2 meters long and only wide enough for one person. After the hallway is a wider 8 square meter area. After 5 meters we arrrive at 3 meter wide, 2 meter tall underground structure. Cement covers the walls, it's flooded with water 1 meter deep. the structure is about 4 meter under ground, with some of the walls crumbling.

According to Wang TsenJie who discovered it, from above ground estimation it is 2000 meter long [with widest point @ 3 meter], half completely flooded. Water is clear with fish that have no eyes. Some ammunition and human remains have been found [human remain from WWII.]"

(get help from http://world.altavista.com if you can't read Chinese. It
ain't a billion people's fault.)

(Just for comparison Guantanamo Bay is a huge base, and it only holds 700 detainees.)

Posted by: bobby fletcher | 2006-04-06 11:30:42 AM


There are at least 36 death camps that have been disclosed so far by witnesses and a UN investigation is on the way. The discovery of the underground city makes the witnesses sound even more credible. Overseas mainstream media are vigorously reporting this atrocity and the world is stunned.

The orgs you're talking about are pro communists. These people will never admit that the CCP has anything to do with crimes against humanity or any wrongdoing for that matter. Most of them are sponsored by the CCP and deny the persecution of Falun Gong, they say that the Tiananmen Massacre never happened and that nobody died during the Cultural Revolution!

The Consulates and Foreign Affairs Departments are in denial too up to now. The UN investigation might take months to materialize--it might be too late by that time. The slaughtering has already started apparently.


Oh I forget...they say that there is freedom of religion while the Christians and nuns are being raped in the backroom.

The Chinese Communist Party is based on lies and deceit. I suggest that you take a look at the http://www.ninecommentaries.com namely Commentary 7. You are sure to be shocked.

Posted by: lana | 2006-04-06 2:17:53 PM


My guess is you're also the fellow who posted this on my site yesterday. Good to hear from you again. You haven't been commenting on my page for a while; I was afraid something had happened to you.

First of all, Ta Kung Pao was funded by the Communists for over 50 years. The other sources on the tunnel itself are also Communist news organs. Besides, that tunnel was reported over eight months ago, not recently enough to "inspire" twists of anything.

Secondly, the camp itself, according to the sources, was underground, and at least partly on (or in, to be more accurate) the hospital grounds.

Thirdly, the Epoch Times has reported about this tunnel, but has not definitively alleged it to be the camp. They also found this (http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-4-3/40034.html) on an underground facility in Shenyang (the city of which Sujiatun is a part) that is over 1 square kilometer. Now, I can't say if this one is the camp either, but it is clear the Japanese weren't the only ones building underground Shenyang.

As for Gitmo (Guantanamo Bay), let's not forget it's a military base, housing U.S. military personnel as well as the detainees from the War on Terror.

Posted by: China e-Lobby | 2006-04-06 2:38:17 PM

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