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Thursday, March 30, 2006
News of the Day
The United Nations on Iran - all bark and no bite:
Communist China gets UN Security Council to remove teeth from "statement" on Iran: The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously to ask the Iranian regime "to suspend its uranium enrichment program within 30 days" (Washington Post). However, thanks to Communist China - a longtime supporter of the Iranian mullahcracy - the call was a "nonbinding statement" that has absolutely no teeth. Anne Bayefsky of the Hudson Institute has the details on the fiasco in National Review Online.
For more of the news, including more awareness of Sujiatun, look here.
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The teeth will come out in the form of multiple cruise missiles by the USA if they continue to build a nuclear bomb and threaten the world.
China is as big an enemy of the west as the Muslims. Try not to forget that next time you are shopping.
Posted by: Duke | 2006-03-30 10:03:32 AM
I strongly disagree and feel that the extreme hostility of China e-lobby in his many posts on this web, is his own problem and has little to do with reality.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-30 10:19:06 AM
I agree with Duke. The slaves in China (everyone but the top "Yes people") do not appreciate us buying cheap china goods either. We are making two 'wrongs' by buying from a country that fuels it's economic engine by using slave labour. Sort of like trading with Germany in the Nazi times or the Soviet Union in Communist times or Iraq in Saddam times. The dollars a person can save is covered in blood.
Posted by: jema54j | 2006-03-30 1:52:52 PM
China's emerging middle class and its emerging strong focus on science and research, will move it into democracy. It would be disastrous to reject China, now, 'just because' it is communist. That is changing.
Chinese workers don't define themselves as slaves. They actually don't want to work, like the French welfare state, for a 35 hour week, with vacations. They are working 7 days a week; they are constantly busy; they want - to make money. And these workers do appreciate us buying their goods; it's fueling their economy - they are living a much better lifestyle than even 10 years ago.
You have, I think, a misinformed vision of China, as beaten, cowed, enslaved people, whipped by their evil commisars. They are, instead, entrepreneurs, moving bigtime onto the international production and marketing system - and they want to do a lot more. The ideology of communism is dissolving as this level of economic and outward focused research increases.
Remember, at one time, in the West, workers also worked 12 hours and more a day, 7 days a week.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-30 2:32:40 PM
Iraq had more than a dozen United Nations Resolutions against it and Saddam was just about to become a pot smoking hippie liberal when the regime change thing came along according to genius level Democrat/Liberal sources.
Therefore Iran should have two dozen resolutions against them! They'll certainly turn into gay tree huggers singing kum-bye-yah in no time! That'll teach them to mess with the UN!
Posted by: infidel | 2006-03-30 7:41:28 PM
Good grief, my hubby works at least 12 hours/day most days, and 7 days a week. Of course, he's paid enough to live on, and gets to vote, speak his mind, and has religious and political freedom. Can't say the same for a lot of folks in China, especially in the rural areas.
Posted by: RK | 2006-04-01 11:59:06 AM
RK- Chinese people are also paid enough to live on. Don't assume they aren't. Check out what it's like to live in Shanghai, for instance!
By working 12 hours day/7 days a week, I mean as an employee in a factory shift.
And they can speak their mind too; just try speaking your mind here in Canada and watch out for political correctness censorship to take over. Ezra is being sued for enabling a discussion about references to Muslims and terrorist violence; the religious institute that rejected renting their hall for a lesbian wedding was sued; just try to write an editorial against SSM and see what happens; write an article about 'terrorism' and 'Muslims' and see what happens.
Religious freedom? Think about Canada a half century ago; there were clubs that didn't admit Jews; McGill had a Jewish student quota. And so on.
Turing, the great computer scientist of WWII, was a homosexual; he was forced to take drugs to 'combat' his homosexuality. That was in the '50s.
You are ignoring that social and political systems change. China was a peasant agricultural system a mere generation ago. Kindly ackowledge this and allow it to develop and change. Just as Western societies develop and change.
Posted by: ET | 2006-04-01 12:43:23 PM
I think it's great if China really is changing. Good for them. I know a girl from China, she is from a wealthier family though. (And yet, she's here...not China. Hmmm. If it's such a lovely place to live, why are the wealthy Chinese moving here?) My issue with China is, well, it's communist for starters. And although I think that Canada's "freedoms" are shallow, I won't face the firing squad for pissing off the people in charge. I'm not forced to have an abortion if I am caught pregnant with another child. The list goes on.
Posted by: RK | 2006-04-01 12:50:54 PM
RK - don't get your data base just from your own personal experience! You know 'a girl' from China. ..and then, you move on to claim that 'the wealthy Chinese are moving here'. You can't make such an enormous leap in data from ONE to MANY! You don't have the evidence!
If the wealthy Chinese are, as you say, moving here, then - does that mean that those who are left in China are all poor? Do you have the evidence for this?
So what, if it's communist. I doubt if you know what it's like to live in such a regime. And, you are ignoring that China's communism moved the country from a peasant agriculture (do you know what that actually, socially and politically, means??)..to an industrial economy in the space of a generation? It took the west about 500 bloody, strife-filled years to make that same change.
China will drop its authoritarian communism, just as the West dropped its authoritarian upper class rule.
No, in China, you don't face the firing squad just for 'pissing off the people in charge'. It's not quite that black and white.
Same with abortion. It was set up in 1980, because of a massive population base far beyond the carrying capacity of the economy and relaxed in 1986. However, in the peasant outlands, many female infants are exposed at birth (this is not policy; it's superstition and tradition).
Again, I suggest that you don't look at the world in such black/white terms, and - gather some data.
Posted by: ET | 2006-04-01 1:24:05 PM
Nice attempt at moral equivalence!
Here are the problems:
1) Communist China has no independent labor unions (those who try to form them are jailed or thrown into mental institutions).
2) Yes, the CCP has allowed folks to be materialistic (I don't mean that word perjoratively), but they most certainly cannot "speak their minds." I don't like what the Western Standard is going through with the Human Rights Commission, but no one is in jail. That's not the case in CCP-land.
3) Private clubs excluding certain religions, while nothing to tolerate, is a far cry from the state torturing you for your faith.
4) Canada, if I read your comment correctly, believed homosexuality to be a disease in the 1950s. The CCP declared it a disease as its official policy until 2001 (and for those who care, they banned Brokeback Mountain).
5) They've relaxed one child? Really? I guess Chen Guangcheng is just getting arrested and beaten because he's blind . . .
Look, the Communists do a very good job at making sure Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen look like modern, efficient cities where the people are too busy earning a living to worry about their political rights (well, they have problems in Beijing because all of the appellants go there). However, outside of the Potemkin cities (my term), the political repression and economic depravity is there for anyone to see, if they bother to pay attention.
And even in Shanghai and Shenzhen, the persecution rears its ugly head for anyone who doesn't follow the script.
The CCP has no interest in bringing democracy to the Chinese people. Hu Jintao led everybody astray with his "intraparty democracy" nonsense, and everyone bought it - until he took over the Central Military Commission (more powerful than the Politburo) and implemented a media crackdown so severe it made Jiang Zemin look like a human rights advocate by comparison!
Besides, the only reason people think the economy in Communist China is "capitalist" is because we have forgotten what the word really means.
Posted by: China e-Lobby | 2006-04-01 1:43:25 PM
China-e-lobby. I guess you and I will continue to disagree on just about everything, including the state of Chinese democracy and capitalism, the nature of Falun Gong, the relationship of Taiwan to China.
I am not talking about moral equivalence. I'm not bringing in morality at all; I'm talking about historical change - which you refuse to acknowledge. You think that societies ought to all operate in the same mode, at the same point in time. I disagree. You are ignoring the deep infrastructural change in China; you focus only on 'the surface level'. You are ignoring the deeper infrastructures of sociopolitical causality - which have to do with the ecology, the land, the ratio of population to arable land, etc.
Turing, by the way, was English.
Your deep hatred of Chinese communism, and your filiation with Taiwan, in my view, hides from you the fact that China is changing.
So, the lifestyle in Beijing, Shanghai and other Chinese cities is just a front? Not real? I disagree.
I am very glad that China has no independent labor unions; they are destroying France and are a bane in Quebec and in the rest of Canada.
Montreal's McGill University was not a private club but a public institution; it had a ratio on Jewish students.
Brokeback Mountain has been banned in the Bahamas - which is hardly a bastion of communism. And I don't think that a society's romanticization of homosexuality is necessarily a variable in its social and political progress.
Chen and Zhan are drafting the legislation against abortion. The gov't, in case you don't know, doesn't force abortions, but, you have corrupt local officials who link their job promotions to enabling low populations.
But, you and I will continue to disagree on everything about China. Not much can be done about that. ahh--bu hao de xingwei!
Posted by: ET | 2006-04-01 2:06:02 PM
ET, boy you sure get your knickers in a knot easily. I don't claim to be an expert on China, but as far as the wealthy moving here, it sure as hell ain't the poor! I hope there are positive changes in China, and I certainly don't think we've got the only way to live, but you can't honestly say that the average joe in China has a free existence, and that the communist regime is fair to its citizens. I thought you didn't like to bring personal experience into things...yet you criticize me for saying that life under a communist regime is not appealing. Interesting. Also, your intellectual vanity is showing. There is no need to be condescending. I may not know all your academic jargon, but at least I don't sound like I'm quoting from a textbook everytime I post.
Posted by: RK | 2006-04-01 2:50:20 PM
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