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Friday, March 17, 2006
Letter from Canada
While I thank Liberal Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette (who tried to outlaw spanking of children) for defending Canada’s seal hunt the means to the end is twisted and of course the CBC can’t help themselves from printing the story. A family in the U.S. wrote a letter protesting the seal hunt and stated they wouldn’t be visiting Canada because of it. The response on behalf of Canada:
In her response, Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette said that what she finds horrible is “the daily massacre of innocent people in Iraq, the execution of prisoners – mainly blacks – in American prisons, the massive sale of handguns to Americans, the destabilization of the entire world by the American government’s aggressive foreign policy, etc.”
She said Americans are not in a position to criticize others. “They must start to look at their own behaviour, the permanent heightening of the planet’s insecurity since the election of Bush,” she told La Presse. #
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Céline Hervieux-Payette shouldn't be in a sinecured senatorial position to influence others.
I believe in her right to free speech and the right of her American correspondents to the same. She is wrong to say Americans are not in a position to criticize others.
The unelected senator is also in error about the massive sale of handguns in the USA. Handguns are not sold in masses but, generally, one at a time.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-03-17 9:19:34 AM
Now there's a classy broad.
Posted by: Rob Huck | 2006-03-17 9:25:44 AM
The next upcoming national debate will focus on the Senate of Canada. Should be abolished. Harper is threatened by Senator Joseph Day NB - a Liberal Federal canadidate who lost every election he participated it (several)- now he is quoted in the pro Liberal media. But Day is a total nonentity like most Senators. The Senator from Quebec is perhaps not old enough to remember what a boycott of Canadian products, advocated by Brigette Bardot did to Canadian food exports; to this day one cannot buy Canadian ham, bacon, butter etc. in the UK or France. Newfoundland is vulnerable to an international boycott, particularly in value added fish products. The politicians in Canada should walk away from the annual seal hunt, which will eventually vanish in any event.
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-03-17 9:29:25 AM
Jack, are you saying the debate or the senate should be abolished?
Posted by: Speller | 2006-03-17 9:38:15 AM
Just another far left screamer, presuming as always to speak for "all Canadians", shrieking from her cave. Disgraceful, but it has become oh so "Canadian".
The far left has lost their collective mind. She is only influencing people who can't be helped, or can't help themselves to the facts. Sadly that is far to many.
Posted by: deepblue | 2006-03-17 9:38:53 AM
She has the right to speak, but why does she have the right to make me pay for it?
Scrap the Senate.
Posted by: Warwick | 2006-03-17 9:45:52 AM
I suspect Joe Day (senator) will find his email box getting busier as the anticipated obstruction from the lib senators begins to kick in against the new governments proposed legislation.
Posted by: Joe Molnar | 2006-03-17 9:51:00 AM
Here's a copy of the letter I sent to Ms Hervieux-Payette, to the PM, Peter MacKay, Stockwell Day, and Margaret Wente G&M (she's sharp).
Dear Ms Hervieux-Payette:
I am writing in response to the reported outline of your letter to an American family, written in response to their complaint about the seal hunt. What you have done, in your response, is to denigrate their concerns by using a fallacious ad hominem type of argument - the 'tu quoque' tactic..which says that you can't critique someone because you, the critic, also 'misbehave'. That's a reprehensible tactic.
This article reports that you stated that what YOU find 'horrible' about Americans, i.e., about the people who criticized the Canadian seal hunt, is:
"the daily massacre of innocent people in Iraq, the execution of prisoners - mainly blacks - in American prisons, the massive sale of handguns to Americans, the destabilization of the entire world by the American government's aggressive foreign policy..
You are quoted as saying that Americans therefore have no right to criticize others, that they must consider "the permanent heightening of the planet's insecurity since the election of Bush".
How dare you write and comment this way - ON BEHALF OF CANADIANS.
Your views are ignorant, biased and hostile.
1) "Innocents' are NOT massacred by Americans in Iraq. How dare you even imply such a thing. You ignore the massacres - and they were massacres - carried out by Saddam Hussein. You ignore that the murders being perpetrated now in Iraq - are carried out by terrorists from within and external to Iraq - (Syria, Iran ) who are trying to prevent the Iraqi people from obtaining their rights in a democracy. You ignore that the Iraqi people voted for a democracy. For the first time, they voted. Why are you an apologist for the terrorists in Iraq, who are trying to prevent Iraqis from developing their own democracy/
2) You have no right to, in your attempt to denigrate the family who wrote to you protesting the seal hunt, to engage in 'tu quoque' attacks against their criminal justice system.
3) Handguns are a constitutional right in the USA; you have no right to denigrate the criticism of this American family, by imply that Canadians are morally superior because they don't have such a constitutional right. That is an invalid conclusion.
4) How dare you imply that the world is destablized by American foreign policy. That is your personal opinion. Would you prefer the destabilization that is caused by terrorist attacks? You are an apologist for the terrorists and for Islamic fundamentalism. That is your personal view - and you have no right to state it as a 'Canadian answer' to this American family.
5) Equally - how dare you state that the planet is less stable under Bush. I, myself, am a strong supporter of the US in its defence of the world against Islamic terrorism and am a strong supporter of Bush. There are many other Canadians who feel as I do. Therefore, you have no right to state your views as if they were 'official', as if they represented Canada. They don't.
6) Your response to this American family should have focused only on the seal hunt. You ought to have articulated why you agree it. You had no right to move into an abusive, ad hominem 'tu quoque' argument.
7) You are a disgrace to the Canadian Senate. I sincerely hope that this government abolishes the Senate, filled as it is with non-elected, unaccountable tax-payer funded appointees.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-17 10:01:54 AM
It would have been way faster just to mention that since the twit isn't elected, isn't accountable, and isn't in government, she has no moral right to speak on behalf of Canada or Canadians.
In her response, she should not have used government letterhead or implied that she speaks on behalf of anyone but herself and other ignorant retards.
Posted by: Warwick | 2006-03-17 10:06:10 AM
Liberals are not in any position to criticize...they lost.
Posted by: Cheri | 2006-03-17 10:10:25 AM
I agree with you that the seal hunt serves no useful purpose and will eventually be done away with, either way it doesn't matter to me. My concern is when anything gets politicized, whether it be the Iraq war or the seal hunt, how the left is able to use total falsity's to carry their point while the true facts are simply thrown out the window. How can this happen in a supposedly modern world?
No where in the MSM, or coming from Paul McCartney did I see the most simple fact pointed out, that being, hunting or killing the pups they use in their propaganda films has been against the law since 1987. Likewise, even the adult seals, if they have a pup and are on breeding grounds are also immune to the hunt.
Instead the lies, just like in the Iraq war, are pushed by the MSM media till it is considered truths. Every day I hear interviews from the soldiers in Iraq, everyone of them proud of the job they are doing over there, of their country, of their mission, of the Iraq soldiers they have trained, many of them have reenlisted so they can be back over there. No where, at night on TV do I see the smiling faces of these brave soldiers, only the doom and gloom message the leftest MSM wants to push.
Now we have the national media and our own MSM pushing this stuff. What good is debate when you have many of the people debating, like this joke of a senator, completely devoid of the facts?
Bravo ET, never has one of these far left America hating jerks spoke for me. They never have and they never will.
Posted by: deepblue | 2006-03-17 10:14:35 AM
Excellent ET. Ditto Warwick and others. She’s not just another adolescent Canadian cave-dweller. We pay her a lot of tax dollars to represent us in a harmful way. We all need to pound out some emails.
Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-03-17 10:24:34 AM
Follow the link to read the viewer feedback and you'll see comments like "while I do not support the seal hunt I totally agree with jumping on every opportunity I can to bash America." Moonbats never miss an opportunity to forgo one of their "principled" beliefs when it comes to taking a swipe at America or Americans.
Posted by: Lemmytowner | 2006-03-17 10:25:04 AM
Right, Warwick, I do agree with you. The problem is, that the Senate IS a legal infrastructure in Canada. Even though it isn't elected. But there are lots of elected twits who think and talk just like her (C. Parrish, for one). I have to admit - that kind of talk infuriates me. I start to froth and fume..just the same way as when a postmodernist starts to spout their nonsense.
Her view is common among the left, among academics, .. and very, very common in Quebec. Quebec is steadfastly anti-American, as part of their indifference and hostility to the anglophone world.
But, my god, she's a lawyer. Doesn't she know the basic 'tu quoque' argument? It's lesson in Critical Thinking. Instead - her whole tone is anti-American, anti-Bush.
I hope there's a fuss about her letter. We've had enough of gov't twits bad-mouthing the Americans and being apologists for terrorism.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-17 10:26:29 AM
Deepblue. MSM is a self perpetuating problem because there are politicians who cater to them
-this is particularly true of CTV and the CBC from Ottawa and Toronto. I think Harper is on the right track by defining a code for the Ministers in his government, unfortunately at least one Minister, MacKay should be removed from his current portfolio. Here on the coast we thought the NS cabinet post would go to Casey,
a skilled, well connected businessman and MP. The
local politicians like Williams and Easter are playing the media. Danial Williams QC MLA is too sophisticated to support the seal hunt in private
he is after all a Rhodes Scholar, and very smart,one of the best lawyers in the country. Duffy and friends should be required to register as Liberal Party lobbyists, but from a strictly Party perspective, it is fatal to cozy with the media; Harper knows this. The MSM were with one or two exceptions scared shitless of Trudeau, who treated them with ill disguised contempt. But the point is, for Canadian politicians to take on the international media, like CNN to defend an 18th century creature cull is incredibly stupid; Canada cannot win in this forum, and the country might pay a hard price in a numner of arenas.
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-03-17 10:44:56 AM
I believe the un-elected senate should be elected by Canadian Citizens. I believe the poor upset minnesota people should stay home until us cruel types stop eating non veggies.
Posted by: Donovan R. Dow | 2006-03-17 11:25:46 AM
Excellent letter, ET.
Please let us know of any response, particularly from Hervieux-Payette.
Posted by: Kathryn | 2006-03-17 12:02:59 PM
CBC News has printed a number of letters focused
on the Senator's comments - if you read them carefully, they all sound like they were written by the same guy. Years ago, there was a popular pulp magazine called "True Confessions" - very popular with unhappy housewives of the period. Later learned that every "Confession" in one issue was written by a tough old broad crime reporter from Chicago. One letter on the CBC site
allegedly emenated in Middle Sackville N.S., and
commenced with the word "Bravo"; not a word one would hear in the middle of nowhere Nova Scotia
I think the Senator by the way was appointed to the Senate by Chretien because he and Little Eddie Goldenberg wanted her Quebec seat for one of their "stars", (Pettigrew, or Dion perhaps). My original point was and is: the Senate of Canada should be abolished, it in fact serves no
useful purpose, other than as a repository for the politically faithful, whatever.
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-03-17 12:10:59 PM
Finally you say the senate should be abolished, Jack.
"My original point was and is: the Senate of Canada should be abolished, it in fact serves no
useful purpose, other than as a repository for the politically faithful" Jack Macleod
I agree with this, Jack, that is, IF the senate as constituted remains the same.
I suppose you were out of the country for the last18 years and are unaware that the people of western Canada, particularly Alberta, want a EEE senate.
Not an abolished senate, mind you, a EEE senate.
If it were abolished as you want, Jack, you should understand that Canada would be abolished by those people who want a EEE senate.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-03-17 12:23:41 PM
Regardless of one's views of the seal hunt, capital punishment, the war in Iraq, and anti-Americanism, her letter was completely wrongheaded for two simple reasons:
(1) She assumes that the people who wrote the letter support the death penalty and the war in Iraq. But what if they don't? To tell them that she thinks the US is doing worse things than the seal hunt might be something they agree with, so her response is really non-responsive.
(2) Let's grant her, for the sake of argument, that the death penalty and the war in Iraq are bad and worse than the seal hunt. This does not prove that the seal hunt is not bad and should not be halted. Rape is worse than theft, but we do not use that as a reason to criticize anyone who speaks out against thieves. Two wrongs don't make a right, and a greater wrong does not transform a lesser wrong into something unobjectionable.
The Senator's letter shows a profound lack of logic. What's wrong is wrong and worth objecting to whether or not other greater wrongs exist. If the seal hunt is right, it can be defended on its own merits. Talk of Iraq and the death penalty are just enormous red herrings. I hear seals like to eat herrings. Maybe maybe we should feed her letter to them. It would be a better use of it.
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-03-17 12:25:50 PM
Nice comments, Mark Logan. Yes, her letter is completely illogical. She is attempting to reject criticism of the seal hunt by bringing up other 'things we don't like' - which are utterly irrelevant.
I hope that people will write to her - and, cc your email to Harper as well. He has to know what people think about that useless, arrogant Senator and Senate.
From the internet, I see that she was an MP in the Montreal-Mercier riding, which is primarily francophone, unionist - and would have a typical anti-anglophone and therefore, anti-american perspective. She won the riding in 1979 and 1980-84..when she lost to the Mulroney PC's. She then worked in various businesses..and then, in 1995, was appointed by Chretien to the Senate. She's a disgrace - she's not someone we want to have Stand Up For Canada.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-17 12:52:51 PM
You are getting excited again Speller. The Senate of Canada will be abolished as the future unravels. I have heard all the nonsense about the EEE Senate; simply will not work. How would you run an election campaign? Elect us to the Senate of Canada and we will look after your interests by staring into space most of the day
(or night)in a strictly partisan way, whatever that is at the time. Oh, and by the way, if you get unhappy with us, well you and all your friends can seperate from Canada, or join Quebec
or something. Abolition of the Senate has been discussed in the Liberal Party of Canada, but the general reaction is that an Upper House is needed. Our arguement is: why? the original purpose of the Upper House, (the Senate) was destroyed when it became the repository for ultimate political patronage (other the the SCC)
Mulroney flirted with the Republican form of Government which Thomas Jefferson and friends introduced into the former British Colonies. But
Mulroney had promises to keep and many of them ended up in the Senate.
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2006-03-17 1:17:24 PM
This is hilarious! Compare the letters above to the ones here:
Apparently the senator is hero(ine)! You guys must be wrong.
Posted by: cricket | 2006-03-17 1:28:07 PM
Weren't you just on another thread yakking about the bigots on this site who spread hate and intolerance? What do you call the rabid hate of the US on an obvious Liberal site?
I suppose in your small mind, and the mind of most Libs that is perfectly acceptable. Of course they would consider themselves correct. It simply displays the incredible hypocrisy of the left.
Posted by: deepblue | 2006-03-17 1:38:49 PM
Read the wisdom of an Easterner, Albertans, as he declares your political values to be nonsense.
Psst, Jack, Alberta Nationalism isn't a threat, it's a promise. I'm still working toward it right now because there has NEVER been a conservative government which was anything other than a caretaker government for the Liberals.
People who believe in the Canada hoax, for instance you, should be working to accommodate western ideas, like the EEE senate, in the hope that will delay the demise of your Canada.
Abolishing the senate instead of reforming it drains the hope that Canada can ever be a representative democracy.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-03-17 1:46:26 PM
What an invalid conclusion, cricket.
You have fallen into two logical fallacies.
1) The letter written by the senator, is logically invalid. It uses an ad hominem 'tu quoque' argument as a rebuttal to the American family's complaint against the seal hunt. This is logically invalid. As has been commented above, it is rejecting the criticism of seal hunting - not by arguing about the benefits of seal hunting..but by hurling irrelevant comments of 'you do bad things too' ..which have nothing to do with seal hunting.
That would be like arguing that because Canada has not provided roads and hydro to many native reserves, then, Canadians have no right to comment against the poverty in the Middle East. Hmmm?
2) The fact that a number of people are writing in favour of this lady's viewpoint, doesn't validate that viewpoint and it doesn't invalidate our conclusions. That's another logical fallacy you've fallen into.
Lots of people believe in ghosts; that doesn't mean that ghosts exist, does it?
Lots of people venerate Bin Laden. Does that validate what he says?
You know- I think a number of us will continue to think that Ms Hervieux-Payette's letter is ad hominem, fallacious, illogical and Just Plain Stupid.
And that we should either abolish the Senate or elect its members for fixed, limited terms.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-17 2:06:46 PM
Posted by: lwestin | 2006-03-17 2:16:14 PM
Bill Graham just issued a press release:
Ottawa –– The Honourable Bill Graham, Leader of the Opposition, today issued the following statement in response to the comments made by Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette:
Senator Hervieux-Payette’s comments, as published in La Presse today, reflect her personal opinions and not those of the Liberal Party of Canada.
The Liberal Party of Canada values the friendship and commitment to democratic principles that Canada shares with the United States.
In government, as well as in opposition, the Liberal Party of Canada has maintained strong ties with our American colleagues. Over the years, we have developed a relationship of mutual respect which is the cornerstone of our strong friendship.
Posted by: Darcey | 2006-03-17 3:37:56 PM
Thanks to freedom of speech, even the worst case moonbat should not be deprived of that right. If she actually did use an official letterhead, then she needs to be disciplined, because she was NOT given any official mandate to speak for Canada.
Another point is how this confirms the sorry level of our media, because none of this is trully news worthy other than to give free publicity to the nuts on both sides of the border.
Posted by: Alain | 2006-03-17 4:12:56 PM
More disturbing to me than the anti-American letter itself (which we've come to expect from Liberal politicians, and particularily for whatever reason from female Liberal politicians), is the high level of support she is receiving on the CBC feedback page from "ordinary" Canadians. Canadians are a pretty temperate lot normally, but when it comes to the US a blind man could see we carry a very large chip on our shoulders. Unfortunately comments from cretins like the right honourable Senator just seem to feed the worst sides of our nature.
Posted by: Dave | 2006-03-17 5:30:07 PM
Remember, the CBC is completely staffed by and run by this leftist and bigoted mentality.
The perspective shown by Hervieux-Payette, is the basic mindset of the CBC and Quebec. The CBC is deliberately not selecting any comments from those who disagree with this perspective. Why should it?
What is bothersome is not only that our national media is run by ONE bigoted perspective, but that this same perspective cannot even see the illogical and fallacious nature of Hervieux-Payette's 'argument'.
She's not dealing with the issue of the seal hunt! She's attacking, in an ad hominem manner, the rights of someone to criticize that seal hunt. And - according to her, if your country is not, in her view, morally pure, then no citizen of that country has the right to criticize any other country.
What the CBC and that dimwit Hervieux-Payette don't get is that, following her tactic, then, since Canada is also not 'morally pure' - then, Ms Hervieux-Payette has no moral right to criticize the Americans!!
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-17 5:41:14 PM
who is this broad? Never heard about her - has she ever been to Western Canada or anywhere else?
As an unelected senator she has no right to impinge on the character of Canadians. I think she should resign - right NOW!
Posted by: Peter McCaffrey | 2006-03-17 6:12:48 PM
What's wrong with you tree hugging, homo loving losers in Canaduh? Stop with the clubbing of helpless seals already. Do your duty, step up to the plate and kick some Iraqi ass.
They're not cute, they're definitely not cuddly, and hell, they're not even white. They even squeal like baby seals when we attach electrodes to their genitals or shove a cattle prod up their butt.
It's time for you Commies put up or shut up. If not, we'll be up there soon giving you a taste of freedom and democracy, American style.
God Bless America. God Bless George W. Bush.
Posted by: Haywood Jablowmie | 2006-03-17 6:32:04 PM
I think Haywood is from France and just trying to stir up trouble.
Don't you guys celebrate St. Patrick's Day? I'm surprised anybody can see the keyboard this late in the day.
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2006-03-17 7:17:16 PM
I would agree Conrad-USA.
Hey Hayseed, you ain't no Stern.
Anyway, this woman does not speak for me so please don't lump all us "Quebecers" together, afterall we voted 9 more conservatives seats here. Some of know the difference and are glad Harper is at the helm.
Posted by: Varenne | 2006-03-17 7:47:23 PM
An elected Senate - Yes - but not for life. There has to be a shortened term.
Posted by: MustControlFistOfDeath | 2006-03-17 8:35:19 PM
The Senator is ridiculous.
You'd think - you'd hope, anyway - that as long as the PM gets to appoint Senators, he or she would at least be selecting really high calibre, amazing people - the kind of intellectual that wouldn't do very well on a door-to-door campaign, because they're too busy being thoughtful and discerning to be chatty and cheesy.
But nooooooo - turns out they can be just as moronic as half the elected MPs.
I wish there was a mechanism to remove her - she's behaved completely inappropriately.
Posted by: Jason | 2006-03-17 9:56:15 PM
Defending the seal hunt by bashing Bush...now I've seen it all. I thought Bush's gang LOVES shooting things! I suppose this is consistent with the pretzel logic of the loony left: Bush is both a dimwit and a sinister manipulator; a neo-con puppet and a shoot-from-the-hip cowboy.
Posted by: NCF TO | 2006-03-17 10:30:54 PM
Props to Haywood on a great post. Good thing I'm an Albertan and not a canadian. Anyways Jack, do you even know what a triple E senate is? Elected, effective, and something else that starts with E.... maybe Electrified? Anyhoo, the idea is it would be like the senate in any other modern democracy; set terms in office, actual legal power, equal represtation among provices and urban/rural regions. Basically something that affirms that Canada is a confederation, not just a giant suburb of Toronto. And frankly I'm with Speller; if the rest of Canada won't listen to Alberta, I think it's time for Alberta to move on.
Posted by: Big Makk | 2006-03-17 11:15:27 PM
This site and most of the comments expressed give me a great deal of hope not only for the United States, of which I am a citizen of, but for Canada as well. The press of the U.S. only seems to report the base ravings of Liberals and we hear nothing of what I hope are the opinions of the majority of the Canadian people. When I was growing up I always heard how brave, honorable, and decent Canadian people were. Now I hear only the hateful ravings of people like your senator Céline Hervieux-Payette. I still beleive the majority of the Canadian people are pretty much like people in the U.S.; good, decent, and hard working. I hope and pray that I am not wrong and that the majority of Canadians are not like your senator. God bless us all in these trying times and keep up the good work.
Posted by: Don Mc Donald | 2006-03-18 12:45:06 AM
Not to worry Don, most of what you hear, much like down there, are the ravings of the lunatic left and their all too eager press core.
Something I know you are all to familiar with. They certainly do not represent the opinion of main stream Canada.
Posted by: deepblue | 2006-03-18 1:11:04 AM
Just one more reason to move towards abolishing the Senate.
Another Liberal senator did seem to be making some sense (wow!!!)in terms of Canada being the only country in the world who allows "celebrities" (protesters, press?, etc.) to come physically anywhere near the seal hunting action.
Sooooooo - if this is true, then change the policy. It is much easier than abolishing the Senate. I doubt parliament has to be in session to make a change like this. The time to do this is now - not in a couple of weeks when all the protesters have either arrived, will be arriving, or have gone already (like Paul M.)
With Harper's move re Fortier combined with his support for Bill S-3 and his play to P.Q - how realistic is senate change (much less abolition)
Posted by: calgary clipper | 2006-03-18 7:23:40 AM
Big Makk, equal, effective and elected, which our present senate definitely is not. one of our Alberta senators is very pro Kyoto can't imagine where in hell you'd find someone here in Calgary or anywhere in Alberta with the same sentiments.
Posted by: kelly | 2006-03-18 8:35:22 AM
"lunatic left"?? you mean the vast majority of Canadians aren't just as disgusted as the senator at Bush's illegal war? What it has to do with the seal hunt I don't get, but why should she be castigated for saying things about the US that are a. true and b. believed by most Canadians?
Posted by: peter | 2006-03-18 9:06:02 AM
Peter, take a deep breath, step out of your cave, and have a look around. Sorry to break this to you, but the only people thinking like you, are your fellow highly misinformed cave dwellers, and thankfully they are getting fewer every day.
Now you can go back in your own hateful, depressed, world/cave, watch your cbc and ponder your abc's.
Posted by: deepblue | 2006-03-18 9:39:49 AM
No Canadian can be surprised that the tourist industry in Canada is suffering a drop in USA visitors.
Bush did it. -sarc-
This Senator just did an extreme disservice to the many,many Canadians depending on American customers and IMHO should be fired (if that is even possible and it does not cost us additional millions).
Oh well, this summers draft dodger reunion party will soon hit the headlines and will predictably bring more boycotts of Canadian tourism and Canadian products from some Americans. I guess the left wingers over at the CBC hope the EU and Asia are going to take up the slack. Personally I think they are dreaming.
Posted by: concrete | 2006-03-18 9:53:29 AM
Peter, why do you say the Iraq war is illegal?
Both houses of Congress gave Bush authority to use force. There's nothing illegal there and if you doubt me, please read the United States Constitution.
Possibly you mean that the UN didn't authorize the war. If so, could you please tell me when any sovreign nation, let alone the US, ceded that sovreignty to the UN.
You go on to say that most Candians also believe the war to be illegal. I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but if something is incorrect, it doesn't matter how many people believe it, it's still incorrect.
Posted by: Kathryn | 2006-03-18 11:30:15 AM
Once again the MSM gives instant credibility to an unelected, appointed , Liberal hack to the Senate , as though she somehow speaks for the Government of Canada or Canadians as a whole.
Yet another reason to abolish the Senate.
Posted by: willy | 2006-03-18 1:25:54 PM
Most of the rapidly shrinking number of Americans who support the Iraq War don't travel abroad anway, so I doubt Niagara Falls has much to worry about. And the Canadians who support the war seem to all be pretty much on this board--you certainly don't hear the Conservatives talking about it! I think I'll have to expand my cave!!
Posted by: peter | 2006-03-18 2:06:23 PM
peter - would you provide some statistical data to prove your statement that 'most of the Americans who support the Iraq War don't travel abroad'. That is a strange correlation and I'd be interested to find out how you came up with both the hard data of these two variables, and also, linked them: (American in support of war; American not travelling abroad).
I'd also like to know the statistical data that enables you to assert that the Canadians who support the Iraq War are 'pretty much' only on this blog. Would you provide your evidence please?
I'm sure you know that a symptom of a CaveDweller is their reliance on fictional allegations.
Posted by: ET | 2006-03-18 2:16:46 PM
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