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The mainstream media is generally anti-war. But when the prospect is a civil war in Iraq -- a civil war that would undermine the U.S. and its government's theory of spreading democracy and pursuing the war on terror -- the Left is practically handing out Improvised Explosive Devices.

You know when Rolling Stone magazine can't stomach the leftist glee, it's pretty bad:

Is it just me, or are some in the progressive blogosphere hyping the possibility of a full-scale civil war in Iraq just a little too eagerly?

h/t Tim Blair

Posted by Ezra Levant on February 25, 2006 | Permalink


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Don't you just love that level of informed discourse?

Posted by: Axeman | 2006-02-25 11:04:09 AM

Ezra, the ease with which you drain complex issues of all their subtleties and nuances to leave only a stark black and white picture of hate never fails to astound me. You'd make any propagandist proud.

Posted by: Complex World | 2006-02-25 11:05:29 AM

Isn't it ironic that the Liebrals, NDP, Tronna Star and the Gloat and Wail have all now turned against the mission in Afghanistan?

I distinctly remember in 2003 that they all favored Afghanistan instead of Iraq. They said it was safer. One could say either "that was then, this is now" or that the Liebral tradition of hypocrisy is as strong as ever.

My, how stupid can Ontarians get? Maybe they're worried there won't be enough troops to clear Toronto of snow.

Posted by: Scott | 2006-02-25 11:47:38 AM

Black and white is good. Gray is for losers that can't make up their [own] mind and just follow their dogma rife lib/left reality hick leaders. Blind hate, love, greed and religion is pretty black and white. Follow the money, just follow the money.

Posted by: Western Canadian | 2006-02-25 12:02:49 PM

I'm pretty sick of hearing the liberal/socialist hypocrites being described as "Progressive".
Although I'm sure they prefer that term to the now despised "liberal" name.
There is nothing progressive about failed and empty ideology or pathologic fear and hatred of social conservatism.

I think it behooves us conservatives to resist the attempt of the left to rebrand itself as progressive. Lets speak plainly and call a spade a spade....liberal/leftists get no free ride here.

As for the MSM they are the worst of the worst. Simply promoting the hysteria about a volatile geopolitical situation is self serving and despicable.....yet this is what continues to pass for journalism in the mainstream.

Posted by: PGP | 2006-02-25 12:20:40 PM

"Is it just me, or are some in the progressive blogosphere hyping the possibility of a full-scale civil war in Iraq just a little too eagerly?"

It's just you, Ez. Your delusions are taking over again. Time to up your dosage.

Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-02-25 12:54:54 PM

awww...just nuke 'em.

Posted by: tomax | 2006-02-25 1:21:16 PM


Written like a true backroom boy, with no real life experience. Trust me, it's a lot different when you're the one kneeling in someone's blood, brains and shit doing CPR to keep them alive. Your hero, George Bush is an asshole who couldn't give a fuck about the people he puts in harms way, as long as his Dick's, and Donny's insane agenda gets pushed forward. And now the whole bloody mess is unraveling, so lets blame the "mainstram media" because we don't have the balls to admit that we fucked up so badly.

Ezra, get a life, and lose the wink and thumbs up crap.


Posted by: Ian Patton | 2006-02-25 1:27:02 PM

It seems like the mainstream media is most "anti-war" when America is winning the little battles. Where Western troops create regional pockets of stability, and train Iraqi troops, and get power and water up and running, our institutionally lefty media ignore it, then eagerly head to the nearest bomb-blast site, from which they broadcast statements suggesting ongoing harm.

Any Canadian schooled during the Liberal-values era is probably not shocked at the sight of privelged Westerners hoping for the victory of extremists and terrorists while pretending not to. We're used to it. That's why when our Leftist bretheren suggest -- as per the demands of violent thugs -- that the West censor historic, newsworthy cartoons in the interest of "sensitivity", and yet remain silent when someone like Mohamed Elmasry suggests that children, women and the elderly are suitable targets for mass murder whenever such targeted actions advance his political cause, we see those positions as part of a consistent whole, as evidence of sensitivity to other cultures.

It's a form of cultural schizophrenia. The Left thrive on their circular, unexamined, continuously repeated idea that they have cornered the "goodness" market. They insist on it. It's not surprising what manner of septic horrors grow under such mass inanity, but it is surprising how such murderously disingenuous postures thrive, unchallenged by the bulk of our media.

Posted by: EBD | 2006-02-25 1:38:47 PM

The explosion of the shia mosque seems to be inspired by Iran in order to try to stop democracy in Irak.

If democracy takes root in Irak, the Iranian nutjob will have to find a way to stop democratic forces in Iran.

As we can see Iran has some means to pursue its agenda. Add Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, and you have some explosive cocktail brewing. I bet Bin Laden is in relationship with Iran.

I believe the solution is to hit Iran first. We should not wait any longer because things can only worsen.

Posted by: Rémi houle | 2006-02-25 4:13:48 PM

Remi, do you even -try- to read the threads you post in or do you just start in on whatever rant you have in your head at the time?

Posted by: Complex World | 2006-02-25 5:11:01 PM

It's truly amazing to see the left on the side of the muslim fanatics when those very same fanatics are violently opposed to all the left's dearests ideas, ie, feminism, abortion, gay marriage, etc.
And now they are cheering for a civil war in Iraq because that will be bad for George Bush, and these so called caring progressives could give two shits about the thousands of Iraqis who would die.
It might be time for some of the lefties to grow up and actually start thinking about their idiotic opinions.

Posted by: Stan | 2006-02-25 7:25:11 PM

No need of Hyping anything it is a full scale war right now.

Posted by: Colin | 2006-02-25 8:09:50 PM

Liberal commentators are such fascists it's hilarious. Liberal love for strongmen such as Saddam Hussein is so sick and twisted it's astounding how convoluted their thought processes must be. Liberals rub their hands with glee at the thought of civil war in Iraq only because it makes George W. Bush look bad, they could care less about the suffering of the people in Iraq. Hypocrisy thy name is LIBERAL.

Posted by: simpleton | 2006-02-25 11:55:15 PM

Actually, I think Remi has had the most intelligent comment in the bunch.

I would just add this: Iran didn't need to hit the Shiite mosque itself. Its Syrian allies probably did it for them. The Iran-backed folks hit the Sunnis in reprisal.

It's very simple: Syria-aided Sunni terrorist (al Z) kill innocent Shiites, Iran-aided Shiite terrorists (al Sadr, at least according to Iraq the Model) kill innocent Sunnis, and it looks like civil war.

I find it VERY interesting that this hit just as the Kurds, Sunnis, and Allawi-Shiites had joined forces (making a bloc bigger than the Shiite UIA) and were reaching out to the non-Iran-backed parties and members of UIA.

Looks to me like Iran and Syria were trying to freeze the politics in place before their buddies were thrown out on their ears.

Posted by: China e-Lobby | 2006-02-26 2:20:20 AM

6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. Matt 26:46 NIV

The mainstream news media is anti having a physical war, it is not anti war, it often does still now in Canada provokes even wars, fights with all kinds of persons, groups.

"The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms which begins: "Whereas Canada is founded upon the principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law." Immediately, the Charter proceeds to list our fundamental freedoms. The first one is the freedom of conscience and religion. The second is freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression. In the Supreme Court case, known as Big M Drug Mart case, Chief Justice Dickson established the nature of religious freedom in broad terms: "The essence of the concept of freedom of religion is the right to entertain such religious beliefs as a person chooses, the right to declare beliefs openly and without fear of hindrance or reprisal, and the right to manifest belief by worship and practice or by teaching and dissemination ..." Regrettably, it's mostly been downhill ever since. " Calgary Bishop Fred henry

While freedom of religion is first, this right as well as the right of freedom of expression, speech is subverted not only by the many self centered, immoral, bad political leaders, who only allow you to be heard at election time in part, it is often subverted by the news media itself, and by some of the secular non religious folks, but also it is often subverted by religious folks Protestant, evangelicals, Catholics included even in Calgary Alberta, Canada wide. If you dare to say something that is not politically correct or a negative truth, you will likely and wrongfuly next be shouted down, insulted, personally attacked , abused equally by all persons, ostriches in Canada. Forget about trying to have a religious discussions with any hardship with the religious or the non religious he non religious folks, , someone will immediately object to it and just as much ironically in the Church. In fact if you do not agree with what the too often dictatorial leaders agenda is they will likely get rid of you, kick you out of church. Someone people cannot register the folks that while there are religious folks, there are still the real bad religious folks and not just the good ones.

JAS 4:1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

1PE 2:11 Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.

Posted by: Relgious | 2006-02-26 7:53:11 AM

>>It's truly amazing to see the left on the side of the Muslim fanatics when those very same fanatics are violently opposed to all the left's dearest ideas, i.e., feminism, abortion, gay marriage, etc. And now they are cheering for a civil war in Iraq so Bush can look bad."

The leftist do also tend to hate Jesus Christ, whcih they have in common with the Mulims, and the reason is simple, the very same reasons surpassingly many cops in Canada hate Jesus. Jesus reminds them of their unrepentant sins,

Furthermore when people go fanatical in one part of their life, they tend to be a fanatically extreme in the other parts too. Most people are still very abnormal, imbalance for they either have wrong, false personal values or they tend to go to extreme, excess even with the good values. Leftist and rightist included.

It seems like the mainstream media is most "anti-war" when America is winning the little battles. Where it's a form of cultural schizophrenia. The Left have a real big fear of death, of dying, of going to meet the Maker. I had a best friend who was a clear really weird leftist. WE hung out together for a few years, ate together often, visited each other The minute the war broke out in Iraq, he phoned me and out of the blue, unexpected he called me personally there very every dirty name in the Book, said I was immoral like Bush and his un godly war. My now ex friend he wrongfully had believed that all Christians are also war mongers. I never saw him since that phone call. The root issue really rather his was cared to die because he knew his past, present sins that had not been dealt with, they had not been forgiven yet and thus he was afraid of any war where his life could be put into danger and he might die. I am ready to both live and to die at anytime for I do know God's love and forgiveness for me.

>>"The explosion of the shia mosque seems to be inspired by Iran in order to try to stop democracy in Iraq If democracy takes root in Irak, the Iranian nutjob will have to find a way to stop democratic forces in Iran. As we can see Iran has some means to pursue its agenda. Add Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, and you have some explosive cocktail brewing. I bet Bin Laden is in relationship with Iran. I believe the solution is to hit Iran first. We should not wait any longer because things can only worsen. "

It often does seems that a full scale war is inevitable with Korea, Iran, Syria but I still do often think rather that " Blessed are the peace makers" and that people should first try Prayer over war. " Pray one for another, pray for peace, and " Pray for the peace of Jerusalem for they shall proper who do this" as well.

Posted by: Paul | 2006-02-26 8:18:05 AM

The Liberal mainstream news media, and most women as well, world wide are often anti having a real physical war, but they realy are not anti war, for they often does still now in Canada provokes even many little wars, provokes fights with all kinds of persons, groups. So do many men and women too.

"It is better to live in the corner of an attic than to live in a big large home with a brwaling woman" Proverbs.

Posted by: Experienced | 2006-02-26 8:31:01 AM

>>The leftist tend to hate Jesus Christ and the reason is simple, the very same reasons surpassingly many cops and Mulsims in Canada do hate Jesus. Jesus reminds them of their unforgiven, unrepentant sins

How this is so true.

Posted by: Cooleen | 2006-02-26 8:33:49 AM

The Bible says , don`t live with a big brawling woman in a big home ? Is that the King James version or the Homer Simpson version ?
Leftists hate Christ because He slaps restrictions on their loose morals and offendw their unfocused , spaced - out mindset. Muzzies hate Christ because he asks for tolerance and pacificm , but cops hating Jesus ? . They just don`t talk a lot about it , just like the military doesn`t, because they can`t sit back and take cheap shots .They have to actually do something about the trash . As do conservatives , when it comes to dealing with Liberals and the damage they inflict on society.

Posted by: daveh | 2006-02-26 10:23:30 AM

Dave you always make an ass of yourself, when you now do deliberately make problems here, and you do also show to all your total complete ignorance of the Bible too. Grow up

(Prov 21:9 KJV) It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

(Prov 25:24 KJV) It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house.

There are two references..

(2 Cor 13:1 KJV) This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Posted by: To DaveH | 2006-02-26 12:40:07 PM

>> But cops hating Jesus.. you realy do have no experiences with the many bad Calgary cops too now do you Daveh?

otherwise the cops would not be unfraid in courts to lie on the Bible.

Posted by: Prosecutor | 2006-02-26 12:42:38 PM

Why are some men always away from home? They hunt, work extra hours, golf, live in their workshop, manicure the lawn, stay in the basement, or listen to music with headphones. Why? They are avoiding the dreadful creature they foolishly married.

God created Eve to be the perfect companion for Adam (Gen 2:18). Marriage gives a man his own wife for pleasant company, mutual help, and sexual pleasure. But sin corrupted God's design, and selfish women became yapping, nagging irritants at home.

How did we corrupt God's creation (Eccl 7:29)? A man's greatest pleasure becomes his greatest pain! His greatest treasure his greatest loss! His best friend his worst enemy! His source of peace and comfort his endless misery (12:4)! See the comments on 19:13. When the victim realizes his grave error, his spirit is stricken, and he is forced to surrender and withdraw to find his only comfort in the quiet solitude of other pursuits.

A brawling woman is a noisily quarrelsome, wrangling, clamorous, noisy, and bawling woman. You have mostly heard her - she is usually talking, correcting, debating, scolding, suggesting, reminding, and otherwise making herself an unbearable nuisance. Attempts to correct her meet with failure, for her unruly pride cannot submit or shut up.

How widespread is the problem? Solomon warns us five other times with proverbs similar to this one (12:4; 19:13; 21:19; 25:24; 27:15-16). It is a common problem, especially in our rebellious age, when women no longer know their God-ordained place.

she is just as bad as DAVEH

Posted by: Coleen | 2006-02-26 12:46:42 PM

Proverbs 21:9 It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

It is better ... do you hear the Preacher? He gives one of the wise priorities of life. It is better to live on the roof than in a large house with such a woman. It is better to be single, alone and lonely, than to cohabit with this onerous wretch in a joyless marriage.

The infinite God, who created the woman for the man, declared that a meek and quiet spirit is of great price, far more valuable than improvement in appearance (I Pet 3:3-4). External decorating can never cover the inward blemish of a contentious spirit (11:22; 27:15-16). He promised such a woman will be praised by husband and children (31:28).

Young man, reject her! Thoughtless impulse, desperate need, or foolish infatuation will torment you fifty years. Let married men meet and test your prospect and her mother; let them check for a whiff of that odious spirit. Any character flaw you find before marriage will be ten times worse later (30:21-23). And this deformity does not improve with age!

Henpecked husband, have you already married poorly? If she fears the LORD, take her to the tribunal of Scripture and let her read her Creator's orders. Find a church where the man of God will rebuke and instruct her for you. Expose her to gracious women. If she does not fear the Lord, pick the corner of the roof with the least exposure!

Christian girl or woman, hate this repulsive creature as much as the strange woman. Listen for her constant chatter, whining complaints, negative observations, rude interruptions, overbearing corrections, nagging reminders, selfish suggestions, or haughty questions. Vow before your LORD you will never live one day of her life. Submission is your role and duty (Eph 5:22-24); rejecting it destroys your true beauty. Graciousness will secure you perpetual respect (11:16); reverence will earn you everlasting esteem (Eph 5:33; I Pet 3:5-6); quiet reserve will exalt your spirit (17:27).


Posted by: Daved | 2006-02-26 12:51:31 PM

Proverbs 25:24 Hebrew OT parsed.

It is better
towb (tobe)
good (as an adjective) in the widest sense; used likewise as a noun

to dwell
yashab (yaw-shab')
to sit down (specifically as judge. in ambush, in quiet); by implication, to dwell, to remain; causatively, to settle, to marry

in the corner
pinnah (pin-naw')
an angle; by implication, a pinnacle; figuratively, a chieftain -- bulwark, chief, corner, stay, tower.

of the housetop
gag (gawg)
a roof; by analogy, the top of an altar -- roof (of the house), (house) top (of the house).

than with a brawling
midyan (mid-yawn')
brawling, contention(-ous).
madown (maw-dohn')
a contest or quarrel -- brawling, contention(-ous), discord, strife.

'ishshah (ish-shaw')
irregular plural, nashiym {naw-sheem'}; a woman

and in a wide
cheber (kheh'-ber)
a society; also a spell -- + charmer(-ing), company, enchantment, wide.

bayith (bah'-yith)
a house (in the greatest variation of applications, especially family, etc.)

Proverbs 27:15 says about a woman who did not come from God— “A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.”

Proverbs 19:14— “House and riches are the inheritance of fathers; and a prudent wife is from the Lord.”

Posted by: to the Twitty Bird | 2006-02-26 12:55:23 PM

Let's examine again the main characteristics of a brawling woman. First:

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.

What does it mean to be "clamorous"? The BDB Lexicon defines this word as:

1993 hm'h' hamah {haw-maw'}
Meaning: 1) to murmur, growl, roar, cry aloud, mourn, rage, sound, make noise, tumult, be clamorous, be disquieted, be loud, be moved, be troubled, be in an uproar 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to growl 1a2) to murmur (fig. of a soul in prayer) 1a3) to roar 1a4) to be in a stir, be in a commotion 1a5) to be boisterous, be turbulent

The above characteristics are present in a foolish woman. In context, the foolish and simple woman in Proverbs 9 is a harlot. She is loud, boisterous, murmuring and noisy. Her spirit is disquieted and she is obviously unsatisfied.

Proverbs 7:11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: 12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

Proverbs 21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

This is in great contrast to :
1pet 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of Elohim of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in Elohim, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Posted by: Peeved off | 2006-02-26 1:19:17 PM

The Bad Women as defined in Proverbs

God warns us about the dangers of "strange women." . 2:16-19
The feet of strange women "go down to death," and "her steps take hold on hell." 5:3-5
Watch out for those evil, strange, and whorish women. 6:24-26
A woman that seduces a man is evil --. 7:5-27
We are warned again about "foolish women" who are "simple" and "knoweth nothing," who drag their guests into "the depths of hell." 9:13-18
A fair woman without discretion is like a golden jewel in a pig's snout. 11:22
Avoid living with "brawling" women. 21:9
Try not to live with "contentious" or "angry" women. 21:19
"Strange women" have "deep pits" for mouths into which fall those whom God hates. 22:14
"Whores" and "strange women" lie around waiting to trap men. 23:27-28
Don't even look at any "strange women." If you do, you will utter perverse things. 23:33
Avoid living with "brawling" women. 25:24
"Contentious women" are like "a continual dropping on a very rainy day." 27:15
Adulterous women eat, wipe their mouths, and say "what a good girl am I." 30:20
One of the four things that the earth cannot bear is: an odious woman when she is married." 30:21, 23
Don't give your strength to women. 31:3
"Who can find a virtuous woman?" for Virtuous men are much more common. 31:10

Posted by: Not a Brawler | 2006-02-26 1:26:37 PM

The part of the BIble Daveh had forgeot about

Proverbs 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. 13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; 14 Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord [NIV: stirs up dissension]. 15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord [NIV: stirs up dissension] among brethren.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings [NIV: arguments and quarrels] about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings [NIV: quarrels] among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war [NIV: quarrel and fight], yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Posted by: Coleen | 2006-02-26 1:32:07 PM

I think I'll try wooing my wife with some of these passages that you've found. Afterwards, it will be better for me to dwell in a corner of the housetop or anywhere that is not within sight of my wife. I think that one has to remember, in the example that Jesus Christ (God Bless Him) set out for us, that we must progress with the times even though it may conflict with the Old and even New Testaments of the Bible.

Posted by: Danny | 2006-02-26 4:49:02 PM

From what planet does Coleen and that other numbskull without a name , [ sounds like Paul or Colin ] come from . I simply reply to some weird ' proverb ' about ' hiding on a corner of a housetop ' blah, blah , and am castigated by the above named geniuses. You folks are downright strange and I suspect dangerous . If I really thought you were from Red Deer , I would have the RCMP on your turbaned a==es by now.

Posted by: daveh | 2006-02-26 9:21:09 PM

Prosecuter , I`ve had a lot of experience with cops and the best advice I would have is , don`t go around doing something stupid and expect a cop to play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules just to let you off the hook . Treat them with a modicum of respect and you`ll do just fine . Start in on them and you might find your ass in jail for a while .

Posted by: daveh | 2006-02-26 9:43:01 PM

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