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Tuesday, February 14, 2006

More cartoons

Daryl Cagle has assembled an impressive collection of cartoons about the reaction to the dreaded cartoons. For a sample of how cartoonists from around the world have been responding to this absurd situation, click here.

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DrMuhamad

It was your false Muhammad that was a "hateful" person.

You do not know Muhammad. You worship a pervert. You do not know your quran and hadith. The Muslim terrorists, the "true" Muslims, know and follow the quran very well. They even admit that they do what they do because of what Muhammad tought them. But I don't need their confessions to prove that. They want to exemplify the life of their Prophet. They do it very well. Do you exemplify your Prophet? Do you follow his teachings?

Here is what I say about your self-proclaimed Prophet. Yes, that's right "self-proclaimed". Nobody ever told him or announced to him he was such. He simply told everyone he was. As did David Koresh, Shoko Asahara, and Jim Jones when they created their cults.

I accuse your self-proclaimed prophet of being:

A rapist, a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin, a mass murderer, a ruthless torturer
a terrorist ("I have been made victorious through terror"), a keeper of slaves, a lecher, a misogynist, a narcissist, a plunderer and a thief, a cult leader and being mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies). Does this sound like a person who is really a messenger for God? It sounds like a joke. The problem is, he was not funny at all.

Prove these charges as being false and I will leave this site, but not before apologizing to all Muslims. If you really believe these charges are false then you should have no trouble defeating me. Don't simply denounce me as being wrong. Prove I'm wrong!

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 9:29:39 PM


to prometheus
i mean for real some muslim who explain islam and quran in wrong way and measure and judge your real islam by your beared or gallabya or some so stupid stuff and i considr them really stoned becuase the did not see the the real greatenss of islam and the did not know that islam is the real good actions in life and moving your society forward
but bad people is in evry where not only among muslims right?

to the racist hateful doug

i guess your dad ( if you know him) chosed the right name for you
any way you consider islam your enemy or no,is not big deal for any one beacsue i guess you have mental problems

Posted by: Dr.mohamed | 2006-02-21 9:32:45 PM


Dr.Moahmad,

The best you can do to defend Islam is attack my name. Imagine what you would say if you new my race, color of skin, ethnic background, gender or age...etc. All these things are what true racists love to know, so they can slog more bigoted and racist comments at you. Cursing, name calling and direct insults are the weapons of people that have no argument.

You are not able to refute my charges against your false and self-proclaimed prophet. That's okay, I understand. Because it is not possible to refute the truth. You are only capible of denouncing those that bring it to the forefront and insult them. Just like those cartoons. Mulsims don't like it when their cult is exposed for what it is, an ideology from a doctrine of hate and destruction. They can't bare to face this truth, or know that others have learned it. So they go on rampages, make threats, demands, destroy and even kill.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 10:46:13 PM


Dr. Mohammed (and all other Islamists),
The world is watching and Canada is tired of your religion's terrorists, threats and shoving Islam down our throats. We have been watching your dialogue with Kazemi, Doug and everyone else in the hope you can answer their questions but we all can see you have nothing to tell those gentlement but dodge their direct questions.
Dr. Mohammed (and all other Islamist) please get out of our lives, we don't want anything to do with Islam, terrorism or your twisted religion.
You are fee to believe whatever you want, and you can stay in Canada as long as you abid by Canadian Laws but please don't try to force Islam onto us or try to take away our freedom. I will continue to make cartoons of prophet Muhammed and I speak negatively and make fun of him because it is my opinion. And Dr. Mohammed, you and all other Islamist can't do anything about it.
I will be honest to you, I don't hate Islam, I just started not liking it because it's anti-freedom, and has a problem with Non-muslims and the rest of the world.

Please answer the other five questions linked here:
http://terror-watch.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=23

Posted by: fw | 2006-02-21 11:34:31 PM


(I'm still lost on the people want to be stoned issue. Who in the hell wants to get rocks thrown at them?)

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-22 1:16:42 AM


To doug

the reason that i did not reply for your questions is they are stupid lies and it was my first time to read something like that

1- you said muhammed is rapist..
he did not rape any one becauss simply he married to the all women he lived with
he married to ausha at 9 not 6 and as explained before it was so common to marry young in this time.
as scientific fact boys and girls turned to be mature ( i mean men and women with big bodies) in the age of 8 and 9 in cruel hot environment on the contrary of could weather area .

2- mass murder?!!
how come ? and after capturing alot of men in badr battle he orderd to free every prisoner can teach any ignorant muslim?
after surrounding mecca he did not kill any body but told them to go any where if they need and no obligations
3-keeper of slaves!!!!
islam isonly religion that stated clearly about the equality of all races that is why alot of muslim are african and they are converted without any war
belal is the name of the guy who was making the azan ,and he was salve and freed to be one of the most important personalities in the history of islam, why muhamed did not keep him?
why muhamed did not keep the men he capured in badr battle or mecca?
4- theif!! of course that is beacuse your blind racist reading becasue if you realy read with fair heart and mind you will find that the nick name of muhammed since he was young among his people is THE HONEST. and it is mentioned in any book about muhamed
5- mentally drainged!!
how did you know mr psychologist?
how come mentally drainged guy lead nations and put the base of one of the greatest civilzations from 7th century till 15th century??
6- hallucinated because jinnies!!
whats wrong of seeing jinnies , the profit knig SOLOMON did not see jinnies and even you used him in his kingdom and even in the corresponding with the queen of sieba?
7- he think he had sex and he did not!
really iam curius how did you know?

8-had suicidal tendencies?
if he had why he died after completeing hiss messages? why he did not suicide when his people decriminated hime? why he did not suicide in mecca before going and immigrate to al madina?
why he did not suicide with first battle( badr) when he had 300 men facing 1000 of his enemies???
that is stupid lie douge.
9- seeing angeles!
all profits and messneger saw angeles? they are hallucinated too?
plz do not keep posting lies and calm down mr. hateful

to FW i will answer your question tonight if i have time

Posted by: Dr.mohamed | 2006-02-22 8:51:37 AM


If there was a discrepancy between what Mohamed say and do if he was described as you said, he would be ended forgotten in the books of history just like many other traitors..

think about it,

quran speaking about moahmed:
(68-4) And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality.

Posted by: muslim | 2006-02-22 11:57:20 AM


To Doug, promutheus and everyone

First: i would like to clear one thing the teaching of islam is only from the quran and from Mohamed sayings “sunna”. And there is only ONE version of quran with me with Dr. Mohamed with Osama bin laden, in Pakistan, in morocco, in USA everywhere.

So please do not mix things up unknowingly and say stuff like islam say people should blow themselves up… and other things


Second the Quran did not change from the day of revelation till now. You can find a certified version of the quran on this site: http://www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/quran_table.html please keep it in your favorites and check anything that you read with it.

Third: Quran glorifies those who give up the most precious thing that they have, their soul to defend their country, religion, family, and themselves. And there is even a “code” for this. And forgiveness is always preceded than war
[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
[8:62] If they want to deceive you, then GOD will suffice you. He will help you with His support, and with the believers.

Fourth: check your resources and put in your mind that there are lots of sites that fight islam using faulty and misleading information. They even have the impudence to change the verses of the quran.
[3:71] O followers of the scripture, why do you confound the truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, knowingly?

Posted by: muslim | 2006-02-22 12:38:19 PM


Islam and science integrate well

see this site
http://www.hyahya.org/
i wont talk much

[35:28] Also, the people, the animals, and the livestock come in various colors. This is why the people who truly reverence GOD are those who are knowledgeable. GOD is Almighty, Forgiving.

Posted by: muslim | 2006-02-22 12:43:20 PM


I've been reading this discussion for a while without speaking. Doug, and Prometheus, and Kazami and many others here have said exactly what I agree with.

You have asked reasonable questions, and been responded to by the online equivalent of screaming, spitting out of control behaviour.

I did get quite a chuckle on more than one occaision. It reminded me of my kids in a tantrum, when rational speech has left and they are out of control, and screaming, spitting and hitting are all they can respond with.

As an ordinary Canadian, I am now asking myself a few questions?

Am I tolerating racism towards my fellow Canadians of Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Pagan, Wiccan, religions and the non religious belief sets of Agnostics and Atheists when I tolerate a Muslim acting and talking in this manner about other religions?

AND races? Dr M was most eloquent in his last slur on Kazemi which included some racial slurs which says something about him. The other Muslims who responded also seemed racist and didn't even have the awareness that they were doing that, even as they scream that we are being racist towards them.

So let me get this straight? It's ok for them to slur other races and religions, but when it comes to them, they are immune, we can't even question whether they are wrong, without being called racist.

If Muslims are so intolerant of others, then why keep them here?

A THOUGHT ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH:

Maybe we should seriously look at keeping a closer eye on what they say and write and print, then maybe just maybe we need to send them back home if they step out of line even a little bit.

After all, they don't really care about free speech, so they won't mind if the government monitors their phone calls, emails, private conversations, because they don't really want free speech.

I can see they don't want me to have free speech to print a cartoon, or to read it even when it's of serious social interest.

I think I will stop viewing Muslims as just like everyone else.

I have not yet heard a moderate among them speak up and give answers to reasonable questions and concerns.

I have heard them screaming slurs at anyone and everyone who asks them to give a rational answer.

And as we say in our house when the small persons are out of control, GO TO YOUR ROOM and WHEN YOU FEEL YOU CAN BEHAVE IN A CIVILIZED MANNER, you may THEN and ONLY THEN rejoin the family.

Perhaps we Canadians have been a tad too tolerant of Muslim differences.

When those differences interfere with Canadian freedoms, perhaps it's time to send them packing back to where they came from

until such time as they develop civilised behaviour patterns and can tolerate a rational discussion.

When those Muslim differences threaten my Canadian friends of Buddhist, Sikh, Jewish, Christian, Wiccan, Pagan, Agnostic, Atheist and any race you can think of that lives here in harmony,

when they threaten my freinds, my fellow Canadians who came here from other lands for freedom and equality

I say it's time to stop giving the Muslims the same freedom and equality till they learn to behave.

If individual Muslims can behave, fine, let them stay without problem, they are my friend, but if they threaten other people groups, other religions, then BACK HOME for a while.

Otherwise, they may turn my freedom into the kind of hellish place they came from, and hated enough to leave.

There are reasons why countries have freedoms and civil rights, and obviously Muslim nations are not first and foremost, in spite of the protests to the contrary. Counting on the fingers will tell you that.

Muslim nations have abominable human rights track records. While Western democracies have had their troubles, on the whole, we stand for people's rights and freedoms.

As for advances in Science and Math, those were largely in the past, and were long surpassed by the Western nations ever since the invention of the printing press, the Renaissance and Reformation (when we learnt to separate church and state btw) and the Magna Charta.

In fact as an interesting historical note, it was the invasion of the eastern Roman Empire and the sacking, looting and burning of the eastern Roman Empire LIBRARIES that may have partially sparked the Renaiassance period.

The discovery of zero, and algebra were nothing compared to the deluge of math and science that followed that era in the West.

And going back, just a touch further, to the Crusade period, how come the Muslims don't remember their own invasions of the West.

It was a deciding factor in history when a man called Charles Martel held off the invasion of the Muslim armies as they were poised to enter France thru Spain.

North Africa had a rich Christian culture until the Muslims over ran it, and "converted" the inhabitants at sword point. From being a center of wealth and commerce, it became the poverty zone it remains today.

In fact if you look at the distribution of wealth, it's no accident that Western society which is built on individual's rights including the right to own something, is wealthier.

For whatever reason, Muslim society seems to bring poverty in it's wake.

Muslims become angry at the "rich west" and decide that we are the enemy perhaps because we surpassed their original successes in medicine, math and science while they remained stagnant.

It may well be that the Muslim culture prevents it's people from thinking and questioning the status quo and that very thought pattern may be part of our success.

After all we used to be backwards savages who fought tribe against tribe once ourselves.

Posted by: a canadian who is worried about freedom | 2006-02-22 7:09:06 PM


to worried canadian

thanks for your comment
but please reread again the comments of the others and you will find them , it was so racist and hateful and including of alot of cursing for islam and our profit mohamed

we do not consider the western enemies as you think othere wise we would be here

when muslims were in spain and south frnace they made it as as castle of advance and science while most of europeans in caves and you can see that from the monuments, palaces and old streets in spain on the contrary of crussade wars that came and destroyed our cities.

yes you are advanced in maths and sciences...

but do not forget they are islamic sciences and the most little proof is the numbers you are writing in , they are arabic and ask any college student.+ 0 is arabic invention

any way thanks again
please read for both sides and be fair
thanks

Posted by: Dr.mohamed | 2006-02-22 9:27:47 PM


Dr. Mo --- history is all fine and good, even if your's is somewhat slanted.

However, you haven't answered my question:

Who, exactly, *wants* to get stoned to death?

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-22 10:03:06 PM


Dr.mohamad,

Thank you for taking up my challenge regarding the charges against your false and self-procliamed Prpphet.

As it will require me time to respond to your weak defensive arguments, I will take on each of your points one at time. I do not have a great deal of time to devote. But none the less the effort will be worth it!

DR.MOHAMAD SAID:
1- "you said muhammed is rapist..
he did not rape any one becauss simply he married to the all women he lived with
he married to ausha at 9 not 6 and as explained before it was so common to marry young in this time.
as scientific fact boys and girls turned to be mature ( i mean men and women with big bodies) in the age of 8 and 9 in cruel hot environment on the contrary of could weather area."

MY REPLY
Not only was Muhammad a rapist, after battle (oh such a man of peace!), he encouraged his followers to rape the women captured in war. No reasonable person would accept that having sex with women captured as booty is consensual sex. What kind of woman would want to have sex with the murderers of he husband, father, brothers and other loved ones?

Mohammad would never be respected by his followers if only he himself committed rape, and his followers were forbidden. So Mohammad had to diplomatic and play it smart. The fact that Muhammad committed rape is evident from the stories of Rayhanah, Safiyah and Juwairiyah and the fact that he sanctioned rape of women captured in war is clear from the the quranic verses. An I will provide three scholarly translations.

4:24 YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:24 PICKTHAL: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.

4:24 SHAKIR: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess.

The right hand possessions are women captured in war.

The above verses are irrefutable proof that Muhammad sanctioned rape of the prisoners of war. It does not matter if these women's captors looked after them, fed them, clothed them, or even eventuallly married them. They were taken by force. Many were no longer married because their husbands were slaughtered by Mohammad and his thugs.

These next Quran verses (23: 1-7) describe the virtues of a believer that include abstaining from sex. Of course as tought my Muhammad.

23.1
YUSUFALI: The believers must (eventually) win through,-
PICKTHAL: Successful indeed are the believers
SHAKIR: Successful indeed are the believers,

23.2
YUSUFALI: Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
PICKTHAL: Who are humble in their prayers,
SHAKIR: Who are humble in their prayers,

23.3
YUSUFALI: Who avoid vain talk;
PICKTHAL: And who shun vain conversation,
SHAKIR: And who keep aloof from what is vain,

23.4
YUSUFALI: Who are active in deeds of charity;
PICKTHAL: And who are payers of the poor-due;
SHAKIR: And who are givers of poor-rate,

23.5
YUSUFALI: Who abstain from sex,
PICKTHAL: And who guard their modesty -
SHAKIR: And who guard their private parts,

23.6
YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,

23.7
YUSUFALI: But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-
PICKTHAL: But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -
SHAKIR: But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits;

We can clearly see that Quran makes a distinction between Married women and women captives. Captured women were a great prize! Is it any wonder that Muhammad and his followers would kill the husbands of these women in their raids?

In the hadith "Bukhari" we are told about a beautiful woman named Safiyah, whose husband was killed with all the Jews whom Muhammad killed at Khaybar. Now many Muslims like to claim that after massacring the relatives and the loved ones of Safiyah, the prophet saw how beautiful she was and hence decided to protect her from being abused. He sought privacy in the tent with her to "console" her and tell her that there is "divine intervention at play here".

Muslims will say that they slept together peacefully and nothing happened. But, what is both funny and absurd about that is that Muslims do not explain why a man who claimed to be a messenger of God with sublime morals, should asleep in the same tent with a beautiful woman in the first place!

And perhaps on the first night we could accept nothing did happen, so what! Does that mean that Muhammad did not made advances towards this grieving woman. Why was he so interested in this particular (and beautiful)woman in the first place? Many others were also widows at the brutal hands of Muhammad?

The following passage in the story of Safiyah shows that Muhammad did try to force himself on her, but was rejected.

"The Prophet had a slight grievance against her for she had refused when the Prophet wanted to have privacy with her, at the previous stage (of the journey)."

This is from the hadith writings of those that followed and love Muhammad!

Yes Dr.Muhamad, Your "holy" and moral Mohammad loved his sex, and so he sure loved his wives.

Bukhari Vol.7 Book.62 Number.6
Narrated by Anas: "The Prophet used to go around (have sexual relations with) to all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives."

However this does not mean that he actually could keep up to those young women. He simply content himself to undress them and fondle them.

Bukhari Vol.1 Book.6, Number.299
Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menstral), he used to order her to put on an Izar (a dress worn below the waist) and start fondling her." and Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."

Does a man who wants to be in control go round fondling naked women? Though this must be what he told his young wives to save face, the truth is most likely he simply could not do it. He found more pleasure touching and fondling his naked women and hallucinating about having sex with them.

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660:
Narrated Aisha:
Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufiyya said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect).

Perhaps the women were simply faking their orgazims! LOL!

That is enough for today on this subject. I will be back tomorrow to prove this pervert Muhammad was a child molester too.

And yes, you are correct. Muhammad married Ashia when she was just six-years-old. How kind Muhammad was to wait until she was all grown-up to the mature age of 9 before he consumated (stuck his penis into her) the marriage, and the "mature" Ashia had just been playing with dolls moments earlier. Truely a holy man, wasn't he? See you tomorrow.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-22 10:25:20 PM


I forgot a comment "Muslim" woman who posted to me.

Muhammad claimed to have sublime morals and a good example to follow. Muhammad followed the example of the people of his time whom he called ignorant. Therefore instead of setting a good example he gave in to the vices of the people whom he came to guide. As the result his followers are confused and believing in his words in they follow his example. Consequently the vices of an "ignorant" and primitive society of 1400 years ago is now being practiced by a billion plus of his followers who are duped into believing his claim of being a good example to follow. Muhammad was not a trendsetter and a good example but a follower and a practitioner of a barbarian culture. One he wish to be ruler of. By following him the societies that have succumbed to his lies have become stagnant and they are unable to liberate themselves of the morality of those primitive people whom Muhammad called ignorant. Honor killing in Islamic countries is just one symptom of this stagnation.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-22 11:03:47 PM


Dr M. I have read and re read this entire thread. It is interesting.

A point or two of history,

Most of Europe was NOT in caves during the Muslim occupation of Spain, it was a feudal society, not unlike your own feudal period.

France, well they stayed pretty much Muslim free up till recently, and now look at the problems they are having with the rioting over a cartoon.

Spain after the Muslims were expelled, had the usual poverty problem, with a brief infusion of Inca gold from their discovery and looting of Central America -- The Muslims did NOT leave them wealthy at all.

and while the art and buildings the Muslims left behind in Spain are lovely, (please note that Christians didn't destroy them-- in fact they are carefully preserved!)

But equally beautiful were the Buddhas that were recently destroyed by Muslims, and the Cathedrals of North Africa and the Eastern Roman Empire which were destroyed as the Muslims over ran those areas. Remains of the broken cathedrals are all over Tunisia and Libya to this day. A few were converted to mosques and the art within them was defaced or removed.

Churches in East Asia are burnt, and the Christians in them tortured and killed by Muslims. How are they a threat to Muslims, and where are the Muslims protesting this abuse of power? The JEWS protested to their own government about the abuse of Palestinians but you haven't mentioned that.

Entire libraries of ancient learning was lost in the looting and burning of the old Eastern Roman Empire by the illiterate hordes of invaders. This was unfortunate as much was lost to the west forever.

It had survived the earlier pillaging of libraries in the west by the Vandals and Visigoths in the Western Roman Empire but sadly perished in the Muslim armies urgent need to destroy any evidence that other cultures had knowledge and learning and civilisation as well.

This ensured that mathematical and scientific advances were lost for centuries till the Renaissance period when learning in the West was accompanied by the freedom of thought encouraged in the Reformation, and fed by the printing press.

Math and Science existed in Greek and Roman times, and even dates back to Ancient Egypt, all predating the Muslim era.

We know certain mathematics texts that were lost, had various proofs of equations, from Greek mathematicians as they are referred to by other texts, that did survive. Medical and scientific advances were similarly lost in the looting and pillaging of the Western Roman Empire by the Vandals and Visigoths,

but then the second great loss of these works happened during the Muslim invasions. Perhaps some did survive and reading them, caused ideas to spark in the Muslims who may have preserved them.

So yes, in one sense you did give the world the concept of Zero, and the delights of algebra (LOL bane of junior high students everywhere-- now THERES a group with a gripe, and a reason to riot!)
;-) and some medical advances.

But the western world had much more that was lost in the invasion and burning of the libraries in Egypt, and in the former Eastern Roman Empire.

SO for a few advances, we gained, but we lost far more in the ancient texts that were lost forever. We know about them thru the references to them, and to the work they contained in the fewer surviving documents.

Muslim invasion was perceived as a very real threat back in the days of the Crusaders. I now think that maybe they were onto something, especially after reading what Osama here and bolbol and the other similar Muslim proponents have to say.

You are the closest thing to a reasonable Muslim yet on this thread.

I do worry that you consider yourself a good man, and one who feels he can contribute to Canada. I believe you are trying.

But evading questions, and changing the subject when asked about legitimate problems means that you won't stand up for my freedoms if it comes down to that.

So I can't count on you to preserve my freedoms, as a fellow Canadian because you don't yet understand them, or why they are important.

I am just not sure that you understand why tolerance and freedom of speech is a good thing in Canada and why we would be worried that Muslim tolerance isn't something we all feel really good about.

Every time one of us asks you about specific problems within the Muslim world, you change the subject or try to turn it around and avoid answering.

Bolbol or whatever he calls himself, Osama something, turns downright nasty. I really hope he never becomes a Canadian, you on the other hand I do have a little hope for if you can learn why we need tolerance and free speech.

All I have to do is look around the world at the recent track record of Muslim countries and frankly, it scares me. Muslims kill other Muslims, torture them, deprive them of rights, all without a second thought it seems. A culture of violence.

The treatment of women is particularly alarming. That passage from the Quran that someone quoted above about stupidity and menstruation, really doesn't sound very respectful of women, or of their abilities.

By the actions of the taliban, and other Muslim countries where women are mistreated routinely, that makes me nervous that Muslims will bring those ideas here and destroy centuries of progress.

Canada should not be a country where women are afraid of the Taliban, where Sharia law kills them as it does in Saudi Arabia.

Canada should be a place where a citizen should feel safe and free regardless of race, gender or religion.

I worry that if too many Muslims like bolbol or Osama or the others (probably all the same person, --rude, racist, and illiterate) come here, that we could lose the very freedom we have.

And I feel like I sure can't count on the moderate Muslims to stand up against the like of bol bol and his "friends".

To me, the beginning of that loss of freedom of speech is already here. It happened when we felt we couldn't publish a political comment in the form of a cartoon.

To say that we can't read or see a political comment in a cartoon form, is to say that Muslim law is active here in Canada already.

And it's backed by world wide terrorism and threats.

Essentially the threat to Canada goes like this--if Canadian media prints the political comment (the cartoon that pretty much says Islam is a terrorist organization-- such big news that!)

well then no Muslim will be able to stop their terrorist brothers in faith from killing Canadians abroad.

That means that whether you pull the trigger and kill Canadians abroad, or just feel a bit sad for the dead Canadian, you feel it's our fault,

GET THAT? YOU FEEL IT'S OUR FAULT IF SOMEONE DIES BECAUSE WE PRINTED SOMETHING YOUR TERRORIST BRETHREN IN FAITH consider blasphemy.

EVEN though in this country we have that right!

BUT ANYTHING critical we say gets the Muslim world to react as if it's blasphemy, and they go off on a killing rampage around the globe feeling perfectly justified.

We on the other hand just lost free speech because we gave it up, to all Muslims, for fear of the terrorist Muslim group.

We say it is to avoid insulting moderate Muslims everywhere, the remarkably silent moderate Muslims;

but really it's because we are afraid that a Canadian somewhere will die over a cartoon.

the terrorists WON without shedding a drop of Canadian blood (yet!)

Meanwhile, centuries of blood was shed, in the past to ensure that here in the west, people had the FREEDOM to criticise RELIGIONS, POLITICS and GOVERNMENT, and to do it FREELY AND OPENLY.

And now we can't.

We lost without even a fight.


That shouldn't be.

We should publish anyway.

Because the choice to be a murderer, lies with the murderer.

And at this point I can't say I just FEEL the LOVE and the PEACEFUL INTENT of the Muslims worldwide.

That attitude of world wide Muslim reaction makes me so nervous, that I'm beginning to wonder if we should tighten the hate crime laws so we can expel Bolbol and his alter egos or brothers.

And really keep a MUCH closer eye on ANY canadian coming from Muslim countries or who goes to a Mosque.

Because if Bolbol is allowed in, then he could harm and threaten and abuse people of other races, religions, and gender all and justify it all within the holy divine will of Allah in the Quran.

If I as a tolerant Canadian tolerate a racist like Bolbol, then I'm guilty of racism too.

But maybe, if we do like good parents, and send intolerant types packing back to the hell holes they came from, and not let them back until they understand how civilised people act,

then maybe it will help retrain some. And prevent the ignorant moderate Muslims from making this into the same intolerant terror filled country because they brought some bad ideas here with them and didn't understand how to live as a Canadian.

Posted by: a canadian who is worried about freedom | 2006-02-22 11:55:17 PM



Get the Real Picture of The Prophet Mohamed

While others are clamoring over what to do when someone draws a cartoon or a picture of one of the prophets of Almighty God, (peace be upon them all), we decided it was time to show the "Real Picture of Mohammed" - everything we could find from A to Z.
Please feel free to copy, print, forward, download or utilize any of our presentations for the purpose of sharing these important contributions to the true historical character and mission of Mohamed ibn Abdullah ibn Abdul Mutalib, the last and final messenger and prophet to all mankind and jinn.

Muhammad A - Z
(+ 2)
(Peace Be Upon Him)
By Yusuf Estes, Former Christian Preacher

Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Abdul Mutallib
Born 570 C.E. (Christian Era); died 633 C.E.
The following is based on books, manuscripts, texts and actual eyewitness accounts, too numerous to mention herein, preserved in original form throughout the centuries by both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Many people today are discussing Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Who was he exactly? What did he teach? Why was he loved so much by some and hated so much by others? Did he live up to his claims? Was he a holy man? Was he a prophet of God? What is the truth about this man?

You be the judge.

First before listing the A-Z (+2) Facts about Muhammad, peace be upon him, let us begin with the very simple historical evidencesHere are the facts as narrated by thousands of people, many of whom knew him personally.

Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Abdul Mutalib (Muhammad, the son of Abdullah, the son of Abdul Mutalib) - Muhammad means "praised one" or "praising one"

Muhammad was born from the lineage of Abraham's oldest son, Ishmael (Ismail in Arabic), to the noble tribe of the Quraish who were the leaders of Makkah in those days,.

He never fell into the common practice of his tribesmen to worship statues, idols or man-made "gods."

He believed that God was truly One God, and as such, He was to be worshipped alone, without any other "gods" beside Him.

He held the Name of God in the highest of reverence and never took God's Name in vain or for any vainglorious purpose.

He despised false worship and all of the complexities and degradation to which it leads.

He insisted on keeping the Commandments of Almighty God, just as prophets of old had done in the past.

He never committed adultery, and he forbid others from doing it.

He forbade usury and interest on money lending, as Jesus, peace be upon him, had done centuries before him.

He never gambled and did not allow it.

He never drank alcohol or strong drink, even though it was a very normal thing for people of his time and place.

He did not engage in gossip and used to turn away from hearing anything related to it.

He offered prayers in the manner and direction (toward Jerusalem, until Allah ordered the change toward Makkah) as was prescribed of prophets in the Bible, standing, bowing, kneeling and prostrating as they had done before him.

He fasted for days at a time to be closer to Almighty God and away from the narrowness of worldly attractions.

He taught that Jesus, peace be upon him, was the immaculate conception and miracle birth of Mary, and that she was the best creation of Almighty God.

He insisted even to the Jews of Madinah, that Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Messiah, the Christ, the one predicted to come in their Torah (Old Testament).

He said Jesus, peace be upon him, did many miracles by the permission of Almighty God, curing the lepers, restoring sight to the blind and even bringing a dead man back to life.

He stated clearly that Jesus, peace be upon him, was not dead, rather Almighty God had raised him up.

He predicted Jesus, peace be upon him, is going to return again in the Last Days to lead the true believers in a victory over the evil and unrighteous people, and he will destroy the Anti-Christ.

He commanded the payment of charity to the poor and he was the defender and protector of widows, orphans and the wayfarers.

He ordered people to unite with their families and honor the ties of kinship and he restored relationships between family members.

He required his followers to engage only in lawful marriage relationships with women, and forbid sex outside of Almighty God's Ordinance.

He insisted on giving women their proper rights, dowries, inheritance and property.

His patience and humble attitude were exemplary and all who knew him had to admit to these virtues.

A. He never lied, never broke a trust, never bore false witness, he was famous with all the tribes in Makkah and was known as: "Spirit of Truth" (As-Saddiq).

B. He never once engaged in sex outside of marriage, nor did he ever approve of it, even though it was very common at the time.

C. His only relationships with women were in legitimate, contractual marriages with proper witnesses according to law.

D. His relationship to Ayesha was only that of marriage. He did not marry her the first time her father offered her hand to him in marriage. He did not marry her until she reached puberty and could decide for herself. Their relationship is described in every detail by Ayesha herself in the most loving and respectful manner as a match truly made in heaven. Ayesha is considered as one of the highest scholars of Islam and lived out her entire life only having been married to Muhammad, peace be upon him. She never desired any other man, nor did she ever utter a single negative statement against Muhammad, peace be upon him.

E. He forbade any killing until the orders for retaliation came from Allah. Even then the limits were clearly spelled out and only those engaged in active combat against the Muslims or Islam were to be fought in combat. And even then, only according to very strict rules from Allah.

F. Killing any innocent life was forbidden.

G. There was no genocide of Jews. He offered mutual protection and forgiveness to the Jews even after they broke their covenants with him many times. They were not attacked until it was clearly proven they were traitors during time of war and tried to bring down the prophet, peace be upon him, and the Muslims at any cost. Retaliation was only to those Jews who had turned traitor and not others.

H. Slaves were common in those days for all nations and tribes. It was Islam that encouraged freeing of the slaves and the great reward from Allah for those who did so. Prophet, peace be upon him, gave the example of this by freeing slaves and encouraging all of his followers to do the same. Examples include his own servant (who was actually considered like a son to him) Zaid ibn Al Haritha and Bilal the slave who was bought by Abu Bakr only for the purpose of freeing him.

I. While there were many attempts of assassination made on Muhammad, peace be upon him, (most famous was the night that Ali took his place in bed while he and Abu Bakr escaped to Madinah), he did not allow his companions to slaughter any of those who had been involved in these attempts. Proof for this is when they entered Makkah triumphantly and his first words were to command his followers not to harm such and such tribes and so and so families. This was one of the most famous of his acts of forgiveness and humbleness.

J. Military combat was forbidden for the first thirteen years of prophet hood. The desert Arabs did not need anyone to tell them how to fight or do combat. They were experts in this area and held feuds amongst tribes that lasted for decades. It was not until the proper method of warfare was instituted by Allah in the Quran, with proper rights and limitations according His Commandments, that any retaliation or combat was sanctioned. Orders from Allah made it clear who was to be attacked, how and when and to what extent fighting could take place.

K. Destruction of infrastructures is absolutely forbidden except when it is ordained by Allah in certain instances and then only according to His Commands.

L. Cursing and invoking evil actually came to the prophet, peace be upon him, from his enemies, while he would be praying for their guidance. Classic example is that of his journey to At-Taif where the leaders would not even hear him out nor offer so much as the normal courtesy called for and instead they set the children of the street against him, throwing rocks and stones at him until his body was bleeding so much, blood filled his sandals. He was offered revenge by the angel Gabriel, if he would give the command, Allah would cause the surrounding mountains to fall down upon them destroying them all. Instead of cursing them or asking for their destruction, he prayed for them to be guided to worship their Lord alone, without any partners.

M. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed every person who is born is born in a state of ISLAM (submission to God on His Terms in Peace), as a Muslim (MU-Islam means; "one who does ISLAM" i.e.; submits to God's Will and obeys His Commandments). He further stated, God has created each person in the image that is His according to His plan, and their spirit is His. Then as they grow older they begin to distort their faith according to the influence of the prevailing society and their own prejudices.

N. Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught his followers to believe in the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus, peace be upon them all, and to believe in them as true prophets, messengers and servants of Almighty Allah. He insisted on ranking all the prophets up at the highest level without any distinction between them, and ordered his followers to say the words, "Peace be upon him" after mentioning their names.

O. He also taught the Torah (Old Testament), Zabur (Psalms) and Enjil (Gospel or New Testament) were originally from the very same source as the Quran, from Allah to the angel Gabriel. He asked the Jews to judge according to their own Book, and they tried to cover up some of it to hide the correct judgment, knowing he, peace be upon him, could not read.

P. He prophesied, predicted and foretold of events to come and they happened as he had said. He even predicted something from the past that would come true in the future, and it has.

The Quran states pharaoh was drowned in the Red Sea while chasing after Moses and Allah said He would preserve Pharaoh as a sign for the future. Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book, "Bible, Quran and Science" makes it clear this has happened and the very person of Pharaoh has been discovered in Egypt and is now on display for all to see.
This event took place thousands of years before Muhammad, peace be upon him, and it came true in the last few decades, many centuries after his death.

Q. There has been more written about the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, than any other person on earth. He has been praised very high even by famous non-Muslims for centuries. One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms:

(regarding Muhammad) ". . . a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men."
(Vol. 12)

R. Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, peace be upon him is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History." He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, peace be upon him, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.

S. While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, consider this:

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.

T. And then we read what George Bernard Shaw, a famous writer and non-Muslim says:

"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
(The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)

U. Then we found that K.S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian (Hindu) professor of Philosophy, in his booklet "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" calls him the "perfect model for human life." Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:

"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."

V. What should we think about our prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, when someone with the worldly status such as Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, peace be upon him, says in 'YOUNG INDIA':

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

W. English author Thomas Carlyle in his 'Heroes and Hero Worship', was simply amazed as to:

"How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."

X. And Diwan Chand Sharma wrote in "The Prophets of the East":

"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him"
(D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12)

Muhammad, peace be upon him, was nothing more or less than a human being, but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

Y. Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, Sarojini Naidu says:

"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."
(S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169)

Z. In the words of Professor Hurgronje:

"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues, "the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."

Z-2. (we went over the A-Z alphabet) Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley, on the profession of ISLAM, writes in "History of the Saracen Empires":

"I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."
(History of the Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54)

Z-3. Wolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, wrote about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He said:

"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
(Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32)

People do not hesitate to raise to divinity and even make 'gods' out of other individuals whose lives and missions have been lost in legend. Historically speaking, none of these legends achieved even a fraction of what Muhammad, peace be upon him, accomplished. And all his striving was for the sole purpose of uniting mankind for the worship of One God on the codes of moral excellence. Muhammad, peace be upon him, or his followers never at any time claimed that he was a son of God or the God-incarnate or a man with divinity – but he always was and is even today considered as only a Messenger chosen by God.

Today after a lapse of fourteen centuries, the life and teachings of Muhammad, peace be upon him, have survived without the slightest loss, alteration or interpolation. They offer the same undying hope for treating mankind's many ills, which they did when he was alive. This is not a claim of Muhammad’s, peace be upon him, followers, but the inescapable conclusion forced upon by a critical and unbiased history.

Now it is up to you.

You are a rational thinking, concerned human being. As such, you should already be asking yourself:

"Could these extraordinary, revolutionary and amazing statements, all about this one man, really be true?

What if this is all true?

Then who do you say about Muhammad, peace be upon him?
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Posted by: TheTruth about the Prophet | 2006-02-23 3:15:20 AM


to doug

A lot of what you said is mere fabrication. where the truth is mingled with the falsehood to delude the non-muslims!

Religion is a serious matter you have always to check your resources and double check with a muslim resource before judging and quoting verses!!!!

which are by the way ridiculously fabricated and twisted.

mercy on us all

Posted by: muslim | 2006-02-23 9:59:33 AM


Yes Muslim, you are correct. The Quran is ridiculously fabricated and twisted.

Mercy on us all.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-23 3:55:23 PM


DR.MUHAMAD SAID:
"he [Muhammad] lived with
he married to ausha [Aisha] at 9 not 6 and as explained before it was so common to marry young in this time.as scientific fact boys and girls turned to be mature ( i mean men and women with big bodies) in the age of 8 and 9 in cruel hot environment on the contrary of could weather area."

MY REPLY:
Well done and well said Dr.Muhamad. Only a Muslim can do better than I at proving Islam is a twisted and shameless cult.

Do you honestly believe that any "merciful" God in our modern day and age, would permit grown men in their fifties to have sex with little nine-year-old girls? Muhammad claimed he was a messenger of Allah. If so, why not behave like one?

Your delusional mind completely sidesteps any moral or ethical spectrum regarding the "untouchable" and "unfallible" so-called "messenger of God". You make the most ridiculous of excuses. You are absurdly trying to claim that there is a "scientific fact" that proves young boys and girls mature faster in hot climates! This is your excuse to Muhammad's pedophilia? Good grief! It is hardly necessary for me to prove how disfunctioinal your self-proclaimed Prophet was. You are doing a better job than I am at it!

Dr.Muhamad. I lived in the tropics for many years, only a few hundered miles from the equator. During that time I never saw any young girl (or boy) that even remotely looked or behaved mature enough to be marrying, let alone have sex. This fabricated excuse absolutely absurd! You are definitely a mindless brainwashed Muslim fool. And even if this so-called "scientific fact" were true, where are all the 10-year-old mothers and fathers with babies in their arms today? Was it only the hot climate of Muhammad's time that made children mature faster? If anything, children of today are probably more maturely developed than those of 1400 hundred years ago, yet I do not see any evidence (in any climate) of 9-year-old girls mature enough to be engaging in sexual activities with males of any age, let alone 53. Heck, they are all playing with toys, watching cartoons and helping mommy and daddy in the kitchen.

The Muslims claim Mohammad was a messenger from God. If this is true then Muhammad should have been setting a moral and ethical example to his followers. That is how a true messenger of God would behave. Not molesting little girls. He should have been an honorable man. Muslims will say that their were no such moral values in Muhammad's time, and it was a barbaric period. This is also cover up lie.

True, Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide at that time. Yet they did actually develop codes of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it or near it. An adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends make a pact of brotherhood thus considering each other as true brothers. However the Prophet himself disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

For example, as I explained, it was not acceptable to marry the daughter of ones brother. But this didn't stop Muhammad. For example, Abu Bakr was a brother to Muhammad. He was also the father of Aisha. But let us learn from what Hadith teaches us:

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated by Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

No, the true rules of Muhammad were simply "Do as I say, not as I do"!

Below are examples of the recorded statements of Aisha herself, as she reported them. They are the evidences that would convict any accused pedophile in any civilized court of law.

(Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Sahih Bukhari 8.151)Narrated by Aisha: "I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me." (This is because the playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, who had not yet reached puberty)


Continued: Aisha narrated, "When Prophet (pbuh) married me I was only six year old at that time. After that we traveled to Medina where I got sick and my hairs were shed due to fever. After I got rid of my sickness my hairs were grown back again. One day while I was playing with my friends in a swing-sets (dolnas) I was called on my mother and when I reached to her she (Mother) held my hand and took me to the door. At that time I was breathing rapidly because I was still tired of swinging with my friends. And I did not understand why I was called here. Then, my mother took me to a room where I saw three helping maids (ansar) who immediately decorated me and handed me over to the Prophet (pbuh), and they left the room. At that time I was only nine-years-old. Prophet (pbuh) consummated our marriage that day".

And on a final note, to prove that Muslims must follow the examples of their Prophet, it is a known fact that approximately fifteen years ago, Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini passed a Islamic law that permitted men to have sexual relations with girls as young as 9, "provided that they cause no physical harm".

So as we can see, Muslims do indeed support pedophilia and child molestation. Thus they must defend the vile acts of Muhammad, as we see with Dr.Muhamd's ridiculous post above. Muhammad's life and teachings are the example that all Muslims must accept and follow. They follow a pervert!

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-23 5:53:42 PM


To Muslim,

Can you not read? Does your Almighty Allah blind you from comprehension. I told you to PROVE what I say as wrong. Just simply denouncing me and saying I am wrong does not dispute the facts and truths I present. Prove i'm wrong. I would be happy to be corrected.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-23 6:05:15 PM


Dear readers
i guess nothing can be added after the articele posted recently by(the truth about prophit).
i hope that you can read and listen from both side and think a little bit , because unforunately most of you charged sgainst muslim
so you do not have intention to listen to us
any way i believe someday you will find the truth
thanks all
and god save and bless you

Posted by: Dr.mohamed | 2006-02-23 8:56:58 PM


Qu'ran says:

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Did everyone hear that clear? is there any doubts about what the Qu'ran commands Muslims do to NON-muslims?

If they are forbidden by Islam to befriend Non-muslims, what are they doing in Canada (and the west)? Are they sleeper cells for al QAEDA and other terrorist groups?
or are they here to take away our freedoms and convert us to Islam?

Posted by: HY | 2006-02-23 9:04:23 PM


Dr.Mohamad

RE: "Get the real picture of Mohammad"

Yes, every day when we read or watch the news!

Intelligent people can learn the truth about Muhammad by reading Quran and Hadith. We don't expect to get much truth from the stories told to us by Muslims who give only taqiyya (deception).

A salesman that wants to sell you a car will only tell you about the finer things about that car.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-23 11:34:04 PM


Some people dont know what does it mean the word(Allah) ,and if it means God just for muslem.
as i said from the begging the proplem is that christian or the most of them Igonrant about the others.It is our fault to, because we have to educate them about us and about the christianity as well.
The language which jesus used to use is Aramic or assyrian.
so the word Allah it means the God not just for muslem .but even Jesus(pbuh) had used it when he talk about his God.because there is just one God
Allah
http://learnassyrian.com/aramaic/church/church.html

Posted by: TheTruth about the chistian | 2006-02-24 5:38:37 AM


Do you know the Bible?
Gods Punishment in the Bible: Pregnant Women will be ripped open!
Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. that is the real peace!

Psalms 137:8

Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who pays you back
what you have done to us.

Psalms 137:9

Happy is he who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rocks.
Nahum 3:10

Yet she became an exile;
she went into captivity.
Her children were also dashed to pieces
at the head of every street.

2-Why do they describe the dashing of innocent children to rocks as ‘God’s righteous judgement, this is sick!
Ezekiel 23:45-48 (King James Version)
45: And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands

47: And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up thei
3-Why do innocent childeren have to be slay (as punishment) for the crimes (murder, adultery, idol worshipping) commited by their parents? Do you call this righteous dear christian ?
Let us look at Noble Verse 23:96 "Repel evil with that which is best: We are Well-acquainted with the things they say."

Now did you really read the bible before???????
I dont think so,anyway am not attacking but I want to show you your bible

Posted by: TheTruth about the bible | 2006-02-24 6:01:13 AM


Do you know Islam?
Did you read the holy Quran?
Noble Verse 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...

Noble Verses 2:190-191 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

Sunnah of prophet Muhammed (saw) (he forbade the killing of innocents) :
1-Ibn `Abbas says: The Messenger of Allah, when dispatching his troops, would tell them, " ..Do not behave treacherously, nor misappropriate war-booty, nor mutilate [those whom you kill], nor kill children, nor the people in cloisters." [Narrated by Ahmad, Tirmidhi (who graded it hasan sahih ]).
2-Another contains, "…Do not kill a woman, nor a child, nor an old, aged man’ [Narrated by Baghawi, through his isnad [Sharh al-Sunnah, 11/11]. He said, "This is an authentic hadith, narrated by Muslim.]
3-'Avoid the seven ruinous [sins] … associating partners with Allah, sorcery, unrightfully taking life which Allah has prohibited , consuming riba, consuming the property of an orphan, fleeing on the day of marching [in battle], and accusing a chaste, oblivious believing woman of adultery (Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, Nasa'i, Abu Dawud
4-Another version says, "The Messenger of Allah forbade taking something with a soul as a target."[Narrated by Tirmidhi (who graded it hasan sahih).and Ahmad, via Ibn `Abbas. Both of them included mention of Ibn `Abbas witnessing an incident involving a pigeon, similar to that witnessed by Ibn `Umar as in the preceding narration.]
5-Allah curses the one who takes something with a soul as a target (Narrated by Ahmad, through a sound, contiguous chain of transmitters (Hushaym-Abu Bishr-Sa`id ibn Jubayr-Ibn `Umar)

Now did you really read about Islam......!
It is up to you to compare

Posted by: TheTruth about the Islam | 2006-02-24 6:09:41 AM


To all Muslem brothers.God is witness.I tried to show them the reallity.and Allah is my witness in the judgement day.
Oh Dear prophet Mohamed ,I save you with ,my mother , my father , myself and all mankind.
Oh prophet of Allah I love more than myself and my son.
May God help me and my all muslem brothers.
May God show them the real Islam .
May God show them the true path.
ameeeeeeeen ameeeeeeeeeen
Muslim.who write for the cause of Allah

Posted by: TheTruth about the Islam | 2006-02-24 6:20:04 AM


Jesus said, "you will know them by their fruits" in a pithy comment on being wary of "wolves" which was a metaphor for false prophets.

In other words, don't listen to what they say, listen to what they DO!

So far, Islam fits Jesus warning.

The fruits of their philosophy and religion are violence, wars, killing, and while all the other religions seem to have that to some degree, it's certainly the first thing a person sees on the news when looking at Islam.

So by that measure, I don't want anything to do with it, and I'm not in favour of allowing people who believe such things ready access to Canadian society and citizenship

WITHOUT PROVING THEIR PEACEFUL INTENTIONS AND ABILITY TO LIVE IN A TOLERANT SOCIETY.

They should have to be ready to be scrutinized carefully by other Canadians of all other faiths or non faiths that they are prepared to live in a secular society where we are all equal under the law

and where we have freedom of speech as long as it doesn't fit under the hate crime laws.

And a cartoon of Mohammed as a terrorist, is certainly not a hate crime by Canadian standards.

I deeply object to the Muslim insistence that their rules apply here.

I also deeply object that in order to make their point around the world they are busy killing and rioting.

I DON'T WANT their brand of world peace and love to rule here

and it seems like it already has!

After all we didnt' print the cartoons here, with one notable exception.

Which says to me, that Islamic Law is now in Canada enforced by the threats of world wide Islamic terrorists.

How is this not a problem?

Jesus said you'd know them by their fruits, and I must say, I do!

The fruits of Islam are terrorists of all kinds, moderates who can't seem to help the terrorists grow up and use words instead of violence and bully tactics.

It is NOT peaceful, and it is NOT safe.

Posted by: a canadian who is worried about freedom | 2006-02-24 10:50:20 AM


Dr.mohamad,

Thank you for taking up my challenge regarding the charges against your false and self-procliamed Prpphet.

As it will require me time to respond to your weak defensive arguments, I will take on each of your points one at time. I do not have a great deal of time to devote. But none the less the effort will be worth it!

DR.MOHAMAD SAID:
1- "you said muhammed is rapist..
he did not rape any one becauss simply he married to the all women he lived with
he married to ausha at 9 not 6 and as explained before it was so common to marry young in this time.
as scientific fact boys and girls turned to be mature ( i mean men and women with big bodies) in the age of 8 and 9 in cruel hot environment on the contrary of could weather area."

MY REPLY
Not only was Muhammad a rapist, after battle (oh such a man of peace!), he encouraged his followers to rape the women captured in war. No reasonable person would accept that having sex with women captured as booty is consensual sex. What kind of woman would want to have sex with the murderers of he husband, father, brothers and other loved ones?

Mohammad would never be respected by his followers if only he himself committed rape, and his followers were forbidden. So Mohammad had to diplomatic and play it smart. The fact that Muhammad committed rape is evident from the stories of Rayhanah, Safiyah and Juwairiyah and the fact that he sanctioned rape of women captured in war is clear from the the quranic verses. An I will provide three scholarly translations.

4:24 YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:24 PICKTHAL: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.

4:24 SHAKIR: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess.

The right hand possessions are women captured in war.

The above verses are irrefutable proof that Muhammad sanctioned rape of the prisoners of war. It does not matter if these women's captors looked after them, fed them, clothed them, or even eventuallly married them. They were taken by force. Many were no longer married because their husbands were slaughtered by Mohammad and his thugs.

These next Quran verses (23: 1-7) describe the virtues of a believer that include abstaining from sex. Of course as tought my Muhammad.

23.1
YUSUFALI: The believers must (eventually) win through,-
PICKTHAL: Successful indeed are the believers
SHAKIR: Successful indeed are the believers,

23.2
YUSUFALI: Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
PICKTHAL: Who are humble in their prayers,
SHAKIR: Who are humble in their prayers,

23.3
YUSUFALI: Who avoid vain talk;
PICKTHAL: And who shun vain conversation,
SHAKIR: And who keep aloof from what is vain,

23.4
YUSUFALI: Who are active in deeds of charity;
PICKTHAL: And who are payers of the poor-due;
SHAKIR: And who are givers of poor-rate,

23.5
YUSUFALI: Who abstain from sex,
PICKTHAL: And who guard their modesty -
SHAKIR: And who guard their private parts,

23.6
YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,

23.7
YUSUFALI: But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-
PICKTHAL: But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -
SHAKIR: But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits;

We can clearly see that Quran makes a distinction between Married women and women captives. Captured women were a great prize! Is it any wonder that Muhammad and his followers would kill the husbands of these women in their raids?

In the hadith "Bukhari" we are told about a beautiful woman named Safiyah, whose husband was killed with all the Jews whom Muhammad killed at Khaybar. Now many Muslims like to claim that after massacring the relatives and the loved ones of Safiyah, the prophet saw how beautiful she was and hence decided to protect her from being abused. He sought privacy in the tent with her to "console" her and tell her that there is "divine intervention at play here".

Muslims will say that they slept together peacefully and nothing happened. But, what is both funny and absurd about that is that Muslims do not explain why a man who claimed to be a messenger of God with sublime morals, should asleep in the same tent with a beautiful woman in the first place!

And perhaps on the first night we could accept nothing did happen, so what! Does that mean that Muhammad did not made advances towards this grieving woman. Why was he so interested in this particular (and beautiful)woman in the first place? Many others were also widows at the brutal hands of Muhammad?

The following passage in the story of Safiyah shows that Muhammad did try to force himself on her, but was rejected.

"The Prophet had a slight grievance against her for she had refused when the Prophet wanted to have privacy with her, at the previous stage (of the journey)."

This is from the hadith writings of those that followed and love Muhammad!

Yes Dr.Muhamad, Your "holy" and moral Mohammad loved his sex, and so he sure loved his wives.

Bukhari Vol.7 Book.62 Number.6
Narrated by Anas: "The Prophet used to go around (have sexual relations with) to all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives."

However this does not mean that he actually could keep up to those young women. He simply content himself to undress them and fondle them.

Bukhari Vol.1 Book.6, Number.299
Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menstral), he used to order her to put on an Izar (a dress worn below the waist) and start fondling her." and Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."

Does a man who wants to be in control go round fondling naked women? Though this must be what he told his young wives to save face, the truth is most likely he simply could not do it. He found more pleasure touching and fondling his naked women and hallucinating about having sex with them.

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660:
Narrated Aisha:
Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufiyya said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect).

Perhaps the women were simply faking their orgazims! LOL!

That is enough for today on this subject. I will be back tomorrow to prove this pervert Muhammad was a child molester too.

And yes, you are correct. Muhammad married Ashia when she was just six-years-old. How kind Muhammad was to wait until she was all grown-up to the mature age of 9 before he consumated (stuck his penis into her) the marriage, and the "mature" Ashia had just been playing with dolls moments earlier. Truely a holy man, wasn't he?

DR.MUHAMAD SAID:
"he [Muhammad] lived with
he married to ausha [Aisha] at 9 not 6 and as explained before it was so common to marry young in this time.as scientific fact boys and girls turned to be mature ( i mean men and women with big bodies) in the age of 8 and 9 in cruel hot environment on the contrary of could weather area."

MY REPLY:
Well done and well said Dr.Muhamad. Only a Muslim can do better than I at proving Islam is a twisted and shameless cult.

Do you honestly believe that any "merciful" God in our modern day and age, would permit grown men in their fifties to have sex with little nine-year-old girls? Muhammad claimed he was a messenger of Allah. If so, why not behave like one?

Your delusional mind completely sidesteps any moral or ethical spectrum regarding the "untouchable" and "unfallible" so-called "messenger of God". You make the most ridiculous of excuses. You are absurdly trying to claim that there is a "scientific fact" that proves young boys and girls mature faster in hot climates! This is your excuse to Muhammad's pedophilia? Good grief! It is hardly necessary for me to prove how disfunctioinal your self-proclaimed Prophet was. You are doing a better job than I am at it!

Dr.Muhamad. I lived in the tropics for many years, only a few hundered miles from the equator. During that time I never saw any young girl (or boy) that even remotely looked or behaved mature enough to be marrying, let alone have sex. This fabricated excuse absolutely absurd! You are definitely a mindless brainwashed Muslim fool. And even if this so-called "scientific fact" were true, where are all the 10-year-old mothers and fathers with babies in their arms today? Was it only the hot climate of Muhammad's time that made children mature faster? If anything, children of today are probably more maturely developed than those of 1400 hundred years ago, yet I do not see any evidence (in any climate) of 9-year-old girls mature enough to be engaging in sexual activities with males of any age, let alone 53. Heck, they are all playing with toys, watching cartoons and helping mommy and daddy in the kitchen.

The Muslims claim Mohammad was a messenger from God. If this is true then Muhammad should have been setting a moral and ethical example to his followers. That is how a true messenger of God would behave. Not molesting little girls. He should have been an honorable man. Muslims will say that their were no such moral values in Muhammad's time, and it was a barbaric period. This is also cover up lie.

True, Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide at that time. Yet they did actually develop codes of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it or near it. An adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends make a pact of brotherhood thus considering each other as true brothers. However the Prophet himself disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

For example, as I explained, it was not acceptable to marry the daughter of ones brother. But this didn't stop Muhammad. For example, Abu Bakr was a brother to Muhammad. He was also the father of Aisha. But let us learn from what Hadith teaches us:

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated by Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

No, the true rules of Muhammad were simply "Do as I say, not as I do"!

Below are examples of the recorded statements of Aisha herself, as she reported them. They are the evidences that would convict any accused pedophile in any civilized court of law.

(Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Sahih Bukhari 8.151)Narrated by Aisha: "I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me." (This is because the playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, who had not yet reached puberty)

Continued: Aisha narrated, "When Prophet (pbuh) married me I was only six year old at that time. After that we traveled to Medina where I got sick and my hairs were shed due to fever. After I got rid of my sickness my hairs were grown back again. One day while I was playing with my friends in a swing-sets (dolnas) I was called on my mother and when I reached to her she (Mother) held my hand and took me to the door. At that time I was breathing rapidly because I was still tired of swinging with my friends. And I did not understand why I was called here. Then, my mother took me to a room where I saw three helping maids (ansar) who immediately decorated me and handed me over to the Prophet (pbuh), and they left the room. At that time I was only nine-years-old. Prophet (pbuh) consummated our marriage that day".

And on a final note, to prove that Muslims must follow the examples of their Prophet, it is a known fact that approximately fifteen years ago, Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini passed a Islamic law that permitted men to have sexual relations with girls as young as 9, "provided that they cause no physical harm".

So as we can see, Muslims do indeed support pedophilia and child molestation. Thus they must defend the vile acts of Muhammad, as we see with Dr.Muhamd's ridiculous post above. Muhammad's life and teachings are the example that all Muslims must accept and follow. They follow a pervert!

Next I will also prove that Muhammad was an assassin, torturer, mass murderer and a terrorist ("I have been made victorious with terror!"), and this will be the easiest job.

Dr.Mohamad so far has not been able to refute any of the facts that I present. He will just continue to call me a "dog" as he has several times in many of his previous posts. Insults are the weapon of the weak minded who have no argument. Are we to respect what this man has to say about Islam? A Muslim that claims Islam is a peacful and tolerant religion, but he calls me a dog? And so far the Muslims can only reply to me by burying my posts with their propaganda and lies, because that can't refute the facts.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-24 12:49:27 PM


Blood for oil.The christian deal in the east.

When christian Usa with fighting in vitnam and killing innocent people.
when The world wor 1 and 2 and the christian countries kiiling each other and killing muslems.
when the christian English and french was invading the muslem countries and killing them and stealling thier resources.
when the christian france killed million and half algerian muslem.
When the christian serb killed thousands of muslem in Albania.
when christian Usa helping Isreal to steal more land everywhere starting with the palastinian lands and ending with stealing lebanese and syrian lands.
Usa in afghanistan,Iraq,killing abusing in abu ghareeb and gonatanamu
who is the terrorist now??????????????????????????
Do you think that is the reality of christianity.
am talking here about countries not indeveduals.
by the way muslem just fight back.
canadian dont warry about Islam warry about people who is fighting for oil.

Posted by: TheTruth about the Islam | 2006-02-24 1:03:21 PM


Jesus came for peace in the bible


Matthew 10:34 (King James Version)
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword

Posted by: TheTruth about the Islam | 2006-02-24 1:08:39 PM


as a christian believe (the father ,the son ,and the holyspirit)
Is it ok to Jesus to give birth to his mother?she was 12 and some bible said 9?
the god give birth to his mother?
jesus said you cant be christian till you hate your mother and your father and every body.
the god asking the people to hate everybody!!!!!!

Posted by: TheTruth about the Islam | 2006-02-24 1:14:01 PM


To Truth about Islam,

You cannot prove that what I said about Muhammad is a lie, So now you resort to attacking Christianity and insults.

What part of the Bible were those in Vietnam following. The "Christians" also went to Bosnia to save lives of Muslims who were being killed by "christian" rulers. Where was the Islamic countries with their army to help their Muslim brothers?

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-24 1:15:43 PM


I don't care about Christian religion. I do not follow it. It too is stupid. But no Christians are deliberately and intentionally targeting innocent humans by premedited plans of crashing planes into buildings or blowing up buses by suicide to please their God.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-24 1:20:19 PM


Dr.mohamad,

Thank you for taking up my challenge regarding the charges against your false and self-procliamed Prpphet.

As it will require me time to respond to your weak defensive arguments, I will take on each of your points one at time. I do not have a great deal of time to devote. But none the less the effort will be worth it!

DR.MOHAMAD SAID:
1- "you said muhammed is rapist..
he did not rape any one becauss simply he married to the all women he lived with
he married to ausha at 9 not 6 and as explained before it was so common to marry young in this time.
as scientific fact boys and girls turned to be mature ( i mean men and women with big bodies) in the age of 8 and 9 in cruel hot environment on the contrary of could weather area."

MY REPLY
Not only was Muhammad a rapist, after battle (oh such a man of peace!), he encouraged his followers to rape the women captured in war. No reasonable person would accept that having sex with women captured as booty is consensual sex. What kind of woman would want to have sex with the murderers of he husband, father, brothers and other loved ones?

Mohammad would never be respected by his followers if only he himself committed rape, and his followers were forbidden. So Mohammad had to diplomatic and play it smart. The fact that Muhammad committed rape is evident from the stories of Rayhanah, Safiyah and Juwairiyah and the fact that he sanctioned rape of women captured in war is clear from the the quranic verses. An I will provide three scholarly translations.

4:24 YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:24 PICKTHAL: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.

4:24 SHAKIR: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess.

The right hand possessions are women captured in war.

The above verses are irrefutable proof that Muhammad sanctioned rape of the prisoners of war. It does not matter if these women's captors looked after them, fed them, clothed them, or even eventuallly married them. They were taken by force. Many were no longer married because their husbands were slaughtered by Mohammad and his thugs.

These next Quran verses (23: 1-7) describe the virtues of a believer that include abstaining from sex. Of course as tought my Muhammad.

23.1
YUSUFALI: The believers must (eventually) win through,-
PICKTHAL: Successful indeed are the believers
SHAKIR: Successful indeed are the believers,

23.2
YUSUFALI: Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
PICKTHAL: Who are humble in their prayers,
SHAKIR: Who are humble in their prayers,

23.3
YUSUFALI: Who avoid vain talk;
PICKTHAL: And who shun vain conversation,
SHAKIR: And who keep aloof from what is vain,

23.4
YUSUFALI: Who are active in deeds of charity;
PICKTHAL: And who are payers of the poor-due;
SHAKIR: And who are givers of poor-rate,

23.5
YUSUFALI: Who abstain from sex,
PICKTHAL: And who guard their modesty -
SHAKIR: And who guard their private parts,

23.6
YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,

23.7
YUSUFALI: But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-
PICKTHAL: But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -
SHAKIR: But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits;

We can clearly see that Quran makes a distinction between Married women and women captives. Captured women were a great prize! Is it any wonder that Muhammad and his followers would kill the husbands of these women in their raids?

In the hadith "Bukhari" we are told about a beautiful woman named Safiyah, whose husband was killed with all the Jews whom Muhammad killed at Khaybar. Now many Muslims like to claim that after massacring the relatives and the loved ones of Safiyah, the prophet saw how beautiful she was and hence decided to protect her from being abused. He sought privacy in the tent with her to "console" her and tell her that there is "divine intervention at play here".

Muslims will say that they slept together peacefully and nothing happened. But, what is both funny and absurd about that is that Muslims do not explain why a man who claimed to be a messenger of God with sublime morals, should asleep in the same tent with a beautiful woman in the first place!

And perhaps on the first night we could accept nothing did happen, so what! Does that mean that Muhammad did not made advances towards this grieving woman. Why was he so interested in this particular (and beautiful)woman in the first place? Many others were also widows at the brutal hands of Muhammad?

The following passage in the story of Safiyah shows that Muhammad did try to force himself on her, but was rejected.

"The Prophet had a slight grievance against her for she had refused when the Prophet wanted to have privacy with her, at the previous stage (of the journey)."

This is from the hadith writings of those that followed and love Muhammad!

Yes Dr.Muhamad, Your "holy" and moral Mohammad loved his sex, and so he sure loved his wives.

Bukhari Vol.7 Book.62 Number.6
Narrated by Anas: "The Prophet used to go around (have sexual relations with) to all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives."

However this does not mean that he actually could keep up to those young women. He simply content himself to undress them and fondle them.

Bukhari Vol.1 Book.6, Number.299
Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menstral), he used to order her to put on an Izar (a dress worn below the waist) and start fondling her." and Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."

Does a man who wants to be in control go round fondling naked women? Though this must be what he told his young wives to save face, the truth is most likely he simply could not do it. He found more pleasure touching and fondling his naked women and hallucinating about having sex with them.

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660:
Narrated Aisha:
Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufiyya said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect).

Perhaps the women were simply faking their orgazims! LOL!

That is enough for today on this subject. I will be back tomorrow to prove this pervert Muhammad was a child molester too.

And yes, you are correct. Muhammad married Ashia when she was just six-years-old. How kind Muhammad was to wait until she was all grown-up to the mature age of 9 before he consumated (stuck his penis into her) the marriage, and the "mature" Ashia had just been playing with dolls moments earlier. Truely a holy man, wasn't he?

DR.MUHAMAD SAID:
"he [Muhammad] lived with
he married to ausha [Aisha] at 9 not 6 and as explained before it was so common to marry young in this time.as scientific fact boys and girls turned to be mature ( i mean men and women with big bodies) in the age of 8 and 9 in cruel hot environment on the contrary of could weather area."

MY REPLY:
Well done and well said Dr.Muhamad. Only a Muslim can do better than I at proving Islam is a twisted and shameless cult.

Do you honestly believe that any "merciful" God in our modern day and age, would permit grown men in their fifties to have sex with little nine-year-old girls? Muhammad claimed he was a messenger of Allah. If so, why not behave like one?

Your delusional mind completely sidesteps any moral or ethical spectrum regarding the "untouchable" and "unfallible" so-called "messenger of God". You make the most ridiculous of excuses. You are absurdly trying to claim that there is a "scientific fact" that proves young boys and girls mature faster in hot climates! This is your excuse to Muhammad's pedophilia? Good grief! It is hardly necessary for me to prove how disfunctioinal your self-proclaimed Prophet was. You are doing a better job than I am at it!

Dr.Muhamad. I lived in the tropics for many years, only a few hundered miles from the equator. During that time I never saw any young girl (or boy) that even remotely looked or behaved mature enough to be marrying, let alone have sex. This fabricated excuse absolutely absurd! You are definitely a mindless brainwashed Muslim fool. And even if this so-called "scientific fact" were true, where are all the 10-year-old mothers and fathers with babies in their arms today? Was it only the hot climate of Muhammad's time that made children mature faster? If anything, children of today are probably more maturely developed than those of 1400 hundred years ago, yet I do not see any evidence (in any climate) of 9-year-old girls mature enough to be engaging in sexual activities with males of any age, let alone 53. Heck, they are all playing with toys, watching cartoons and helping mommy and daddy in the kitchen.

The Muslims claim Mohammad was a messenger from God. If this is true then Muhammad should have been setting a moral and ethical example to his followers. That is how a true messenger of God would behave. Not molesting little girls. He should have been an honorable man. Muslims will say that their were no such moral values in Muhammad's time, and it was a barbaric period. This is also cover up lie.

True, Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide at that time. Yet they did actually develop codes of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it or near it. An adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends make a pact of brotherhood thus considering each other as true brothers. However the Prophet himself disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

For example, as I explained, it was not acceptable to marry the daughter of ones brother. But this didn't stop Muhammad. For example, Abu Bakr was a brother to Muhammad. He was also the father of Aisha. But let us learn from what Hadith teaches us:

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated by Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

No, the true rules of Muhammad were simply "Do as I say, not as I do"!

Below are examples of the recorded statements of Aisha herself, as she reported them. They are the evidences that would convict any accused pedophile in any civilized court of law.

(Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Sahih Bukhari 8.151)Narrated by Aisha: "I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me." (This is because the playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, who had not yet reached puberty)

Continued: Aisha narrated, "When Prophet (pbuh) married me I was only six year old at that time. After that we traveled to Medina where I got sick and my hairs were shed due to fever. After I got rid of my sickness my hairs were grown back again. One day while I was playing with my friends in a swing-sets (dolnas) I was called on my mother and when I reached to her she (Mother) held my hand and took me to the door. At that time I was breathing rapidly because I was still tired of swinging with my friends. And I did not understand why I was called here. Then, my mother took me to a room where I saw three helping maids (ansar) who immediately decorated me and handed me over to the Prophet (pbuh), and they left the room. At that time I was only nine-years-old. Prophet (pbuh) consummated our marriage that day".

And on a final note, to prove that Muslims must follow the examples of their Prophet, it is a known fact that approximately fifteen years ago, Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini passed a Islamic law that permitted men to have sexual relations with girls as young as 9, "provided that they cause no physical harm".

So as we can see, Muslims do indeed support pedophilia and child molestation. Thus they must defend the vile acts of Muhammad, as we see with Dr.Muhamd's ridiculous post above. Muhammad's life and teachings are the example that all Muslims must accept and follow. They follow a pervert!

Next I will also prove that Muhammad was an assassin, torturer, mass murderer and a terrorist ("I have been made victorious with terror!"), and this will be the easiest job.

Dr.Mohamad so far has not been able to refute any of the facts that I present. He will just continue to call me a "dog" as he has several times in many of his previous posts. Insults are the weapon of the weak minded who have no argument. Are we to respect what this man has to say about Islam? A Muslim that claims Islam is a peacful and tolerant religion, but he calls me a dog? And so far the Muslims can only reply to me by burying my posts with their propaganda and lies, because that can't refute the facts.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-24 1:22:25 PM


wow, I've never read their Koran, I'm sure glad I don't have to.

I am also thankful for the education I'm receiving in this thread.

Doug, I appreciate your time and effort. Up till now I thought of Muslims and Islam as just another religion with their own little bands of looney tunes as all religions have.

But from the excerpts you and others like Kazemi (thank you Kazemi)have provided I have changed my mind. By their OWN Koran and Hadith it shows these things to be true.

Their prophet really was a child molester, a pedophile, a rapist and thoroughly nasty.

No wonder they act like they do.

I have gone from reluctantly agreeing that invading Afghanistan was a necessary thing to stop Osama Bin Laden's terrorist attacks in the West

(and I thoroughly and completely disagreed with invading Iraq for the record)

to rethinking my former position that I didn't mind moderate peaceful Muslims in Canada.

I haven't seen any of them speaking up or doing anything to curtail their terrorist brethren from rioting and killing all around the world

so I assume that silence gives assent!

In other words, WHEN YOU STAY SILENT AND ALLOW YOUR BROTHERS IN FAITH TO COMMIT A CRIME YOU ARE CONSIDERED EQUALLY GUILTY!

So DONT expect me to use my vote for any of you to stay unless you prove your peaceful and tolerant intent by standing up to your terrorist brethren and publically denouncing their terrorist acts.

You can start by admitting our rights as Canadians to have FREE SPEECH HERE IN CANADA according to our own laws and QUIT trying to intimidate us by vaguely threatening that your colleagues abroad will harm our soldiers.

I really don't give a rats rear end that you didn't kill anyone on Canadian soil, that you kept it peaceful here.

That was only because we gave in to your unreasonable demands to change OUR society and OUR rules to suit YOU!!!!

and the implied threat was OR ELSE SOME CANADIAN OVERSEAS OR HERE will get it and Canadian blood will be shed.

I think that proves you to be the terrorists at heart that your prophet obviously is by his own actions, recorded in your own holy books.

Posted by: a canadian who is worried about freedom | 2006-02-24 4:23:14 PM


... Their prophet really was a child molester, a pedophile, a rapist and thoroughly nasty. No wonder they act like they do. I have gone from reluctantly agreeing that invading Afghanistan was a necessary thing to stop Osama Bin Laden's terrorist attacks in the West (and I thoroughly and completely disagreed with invading Iraq for the record) to rethinking my former position that I didn't mind moderate peaceful Muslims in Canada. I haven't seen any of them speaking up or doing anything to curtail their terrorist brethren from rioting and killing all around the world so I assume that silence gives assent!

and Muslims have been killing many people without case for centuries now too so where have you been hiding?

The more the Muslims cry out INJ PROTEST about the Danishes, the more people find out what Muslims are really like too and that makes more Muslims unhappy still.

More Muslim Danishes with english tea is just what we all need.

Posted by: WOW | 2006-02-24 5:31:33 PM


http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Posted by: TheTruth about the Islam | 2006-02-25 12:15:21 PM


http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Posted by: TheTruth about the Islam | 2006-02-25 12:16:03 PM


Well I went to that link, and found (no surprise) on one of their pages that one of the peaceful Muslim type groups, the B'hai were listed as a cult to be avoided on that link site.

And that says something too. I know some Bahai people and they are as their religion preaches, a peaceful gentle group. I'm not a B'hai but I've never met one that I didn't find to be peace loving and gentle.

I'm continuing to learn more about Islam, thru this thread.

Thanks again to Doug for his patience and Kazemi and others. It is a most interesting discussion and one that I'm recommending all my friends see too.

Eye opening.

Posted by: a canadian who is worried about freedom | 2006-02-25 8:41:34 PM


I found this link to this Star article most interesting. By Richard Gwyn Feb 24/2006 and it discusses the recent horrifying destruction of a Shia Muslim holy place by Sunni Muslims.

I thought it deserved a place, since I don't see any thinking Muslims who are ready to admit wrong doing on the part of Islam, nor who are ready to join Canadian society in a tolerant and secular way.

There are some, and the Muslim who poses the opening question is the kind of Muslim I applaud, and could happily live in the same country with.

This article poses questions and encourages moderate Muslims to stand up.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1140735014765&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

Here is the article itself in case of problems with the link:

"What brings more prejudice against Islam?" journalist Jihad Momani asked recently in a column in the Jordanian newspaper Shihan, "these (Danish) caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras?"

Momani's brave question was brilliant because it goes to the heart of one of the central issues of our time: Is there in Islam, not in the religion itself but in its contemporary version — and by no means in all of its contemporary version — something that is inherently accepting of violence?

To put the question another way: Is the so-called "clash of civilizations" not between the West and Islam but rather within Islam, between moderates and extremists, with the moderates too often losing because too many of them lack the bravery and moral brilliance of someone like Momani?

Questions like these are now acutely relevant, in part only because of the nature of the response across the Muslim world to the Danish newspaper's cartoons about the Prophet Muhammed, although the violence and deaths that so often accompanied that response does confirm the scale of the phenomenon. Even more so now, this kind of inquiry is justified as a consequence of this week's attack on, and destruction of, the al-Askari shrine at Samarra in Iraq. Here, where four of the Prophet's descendants are buried, is one of Islam's holiest shrines.

What happens inside the building is worship, prayer and meditation. This quiet place, where so many Muslim pilgrims have gone over the centuries, has now been turned into a pile of rubble by other Muslims.

The deed was done to Shia Muslims. It was almost certainly the work of Sunni Muslims. It was done beyond the least doubt by some Muslims to other Muslims. Since then, more than 100 Muslims have been killed in retaliation by other Muslims and some two dozen mosques have been attacked by Muslims.

There is nothing unusual in this phenomenon. The overwhelming majority of the deaths now occurring in Iraq as a result of the insurgency are now of Muslims killed by other Muslims.

Something similar happened last month in Islam's holiest city, Mecca. Some 360 pilgrims were trampled to death in a stampede that broke out among a crowd of 600,000 taking part in a ceremony known as "stoning the Devil."

Crowd accidents happen everywhere. But a key cause of this one was that clerics refused the request of civilian authorities for the time of the ceremony to be changed to lessen the risk of a disaster. The clerics did this on the grounds it would be heresy to make any change from the way things were done at the time of the Prophet, when crowds were tiny.

It's unavoidable now that painful questions have to be asked about why there should be so much violence so continuously across the Islamic world.

Such questions would be academic except that they are being asked now by Muslims themselves.

Momani isn't alone. A Yemeni journalist, Muhammed al-Assadi, similarly questioned whether the reaction to cartoons that really were just silly, wasn't wildly overdone.

Significantly, a number of the world's most renowed Islamic scholars recently issued a declaration calling for moderation in the response to the cartoons. Even in cleric-dominated Saudi Arabia, opinion may be beginning to change as a result of the disaster at Mecca.

Columnist Hussein Shubakshi recently wrote for the daily Al-Sharq al-Awast that imams couldn't go on clinging to the past, "(as if) the sharia is valid in all eras and places."

Shubakshi, though, lives in London where his paper is published. And Momani, back in Amman, is now under house arrest.

Their questions really are brilliant. But they are very brave men.


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Posted by: a canadian who is worried about freedom | 2006-02-25 9:03:14 PM


"Lies about Islam".

Yes the Bible is ridiculous to. But I don't care about Christianity and the Bible. I have read the Bible and I reject it to, however not for the same reasons. Of couse, if people want to believe in God, then I'm happy for them.

You are typical of most Muslisms when they cannot refute the facts and truths presented to them about their disfunctional cult. They resort to attacking the doctrines of other religions (nothing new of course). The funny thing about Muslims doing this, is that they don't realize that they have just proven my point, that the Quran is not the word of any God. In doing this Muslims like you have only served me, by proving that you agree and acknowledge that Muslims follow a book of absurdities, that it is not from any God.

Thank you.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-25 9:06:31 PM


Square one again = A disrespect for another's person's faith and culture is the only true quality that comes to mind when cartoons like this get published, ....especially now. The only people who defend Mr Levant's position to publish are those that share this dangerous mindset. Now is the time when we should all be putting our hands out to help them instead of slapping them. This would be the most constructive thing to do. We all got off the boat a few years ago (being your not Native), it is really funny how it is great that we can pick on those off the Boat last. Keep up the Good Welcome Wagon Work!

Posted by: Colin | 2006-02-25 9:45:08 PM


Oh and I wonder if the people who did reaserch like this below actually talk with a real people about real issues.

"Societies are understood as architectures for the systematic transformation of energy into information/matter, and, using this hypothesis, are examined within two architectural frames--that of the unilevel and the bilevel society. Architectonics of Semiosis lifts semiotics from its literary-linguistic sphere and expands biophysics from a materialist focus to explore the interrelationships of these two forces of organization within the evolving complexities of sociocognitive forms of order. The conflicts and resolutions between the differential goals of the group's recursive metanarrative and the individual's emergent freedoms of choice are explored as natural aspects of a lyric-poetic evolution of the complexity of energy as operative within sociocognitive forms of reality. This interdisciplinary work offers original examinations of societies as complex codifications of energy, and of human beings as integrated aspects of larger and more complex codifications of energy."

Should Thinktanks Like this really be promoting the Cartoons and the spin- Maybe? should we care maybe?

Posted by: colin | 2006-02-25 10:24:48 PM


Here the truth can be seen by all still

Contents [hide]
1 Jewish persecution of Christians
1.1 Later Jewish persecution of Christians
2 Persecution of early Christians by Romans
2.1 Persecutions narrated in the New Testament
2.2 Rise of persecution in the Roman Empire
2.2.1 Persecution under Nero, 64-68 A.D.
2.2.2 Persecution in the 2nd century
3 Early persecutions outside the Roman Empire
4 Persecution of Christians by Christians
5 Islamic persecution of Christians
5.1 Al-Andalus
5.2 Iconoclasm
5.3 Ottoman Empire
5.4 Genocide in Turkey
5.5 Persecution of Christians in Sudan
5.6 Attacks on Christians by Islamists in Pakistan
5.7 Attacks on Christians by Islamists in Indonesia
5.8 Discrimination and persecution in other Arab and Muslim nations
5.9 Persecution in the Balkans
6 Nazi-Fascist persecution
7 Discrimination and persecution in the Soviet Union
8 Persecution in other Eastern Bloc nations
9 Persecution of Christians in China
9.1 Emperor Tang Wu Zong
9.2 Qing Dynasty
9.3 People's Republic of China
10 Persecution in Japan
10.1 Arrival of Christianity
10.2 Edo Period
10.3 Meiji Revolution and WWII
10.4 1945 onwards
11 Hindu persecution of Christians
12 Recent Christian persecution in other countries
13 References
14 See also
15 External links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

Posted by: Non Mulsim | 2006-02-25 11:58:23 PM


Colin,

Research comes from doing your own serious study of the facts, not copy and pasting the remarks and opinions of others.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-26 12:37:02 AM


No wonder the dogs still barking
by they way the dogs is a word Jesus used it when he was talking about Non_jews
so even your god is anti peace.
WOW
Violent JESUS in the bible,want every body to hate each other.even to hate your father and mother
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household
Matthew 10 (King James Version)

Jesus said the jew are gods lol
John 10:34 (New International Version)is he crazy!!!
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'[a]?
jesus the one he has no sin cursed the people lol
Matthew 16:23 (King James Version)
23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Posted by: christianity anti peace religon | 2006-02-26 2:41:05 AM


'No wonder the dogs are still barking...' - capr

In other words, Jesus wasn't a push over.

I get a kick out of these bush wacker posters. Can't even put their handle or emails with what they say. I think you got your initals mixed up...should be christianity religion anti peace.

Woof woof.

Posted by: tomax | 2006-02-26 3:31:39 AM


Chris anti peace religion,

You really are wasting your time my friend. Christianity is a dying religion. It will disappear soon enough without your help. Christianity has already been destigmatized and demystifed over the last two centuries, and much of that was done by the clergy itself. The Vatican has already announced and admitted that much of the Bible was not the word of God, and therefore no need to follow those particular segments. In fact, the Old Testiment is not followed by virtually all Christians. It was debunked long ago as the writings of men.

Now, if the teachings in the Bible called for Christians to kill all non-Christians, to "terrorize them", "beleaguer them", "cut off their finger tips", "strike of their heads", and if the Bible tought Christians that all apostates must be punished by death, then I would be one the first to speakout against it. These of course are the very teachings one finds when they read Quran. Are the Muslims ever going to change what is written in Quran? Me thinks not.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-26 8:02:02 PM


Well all you Muslims can be happy now. The people of Denmark have issued you all an official apology. http://www.danishmuhammedcartoons.com/Apology.html

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-27 10:47:06 PM



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