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Tuesday, February 14, 2006

More cartoons

Daryl Cagle has assembled an impressive collection of cartoons about the reaction to the dreaded cartoons. For a sample of how cartoonists from around the world have been responding to this absurd situation, click here.

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Prometheus and any body has the same brain

1+1+1=3 father+son+holyspirit=fiction just like hindu faith
as I told you before .read the bible.
Jesus said I did not came to change the laws
soo it is the same in your bible you have to stone and to kill ,why you have to kill kids
the OT and the NT in your bible that is your faith
if the fathers in the churches did not say that to you it is not my problem .you are ignorant about your bible .

Posted by: Eng,Osama&Desert&holyspirit,trinity fiction | 2006-02-20 2:33:10 AM


kazami
ia m3fn ro7 nam west7ma ia abo shakha

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol | 2006-02-20 4:08:33 AM


Wow. Complete inane babble.

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-20 11:05:51 AM


@ EngOsama...

You are at the wrong web site. People here are too intelligent to take anything you have to say as important or truthful. You are only fooling yourself, nobody else. I'm not a Christian. I don't have any religious beliefs. But if people want to beleive in God I have no problem with that, I'm happy for them. But Informed people know that the Bible is not filled with instructions teaching its followers to go out and commit acts of violence against non-Christians.

The reason people focus mostly on Islam is because Christianity and Judaism are exposed and demystified already along time ago by many scholars born within Judaic and Christendoms. Also these two religions are in decline. They will die on their own without anyone's help. Most important of all, I have no business to criticize the religions of others, unless they become a danger to me. No one would pay attention anyway, because it is natural that the followers of different religions attack each other’s faiths.

This kind of religious feuding has been going on since the beginning of the history of mankind. We have to see our own errors not the errors of others. We are responsible for ourselves not for others. If we find our own mistakes and bring them to the light, it is because we love and care about others. But if we point out the faults of the others, they dismiss it and they become hostile and intensify their fanaticism. Apart from that, unlike Islam, the doctrines or ideologies of Christianity and Judaism represent no threat to the peace and security of the world.

Islam on the other hand, is a constant menace to the world peace and to the Muslims themselves, who are capable of sacrificing their own lives in order to kill their percieved "enemies" of Islam. The level of fanaticism is far greater amongst the average Muslims, than the average Christians or Jews.

People travelling throughout this world aren't thinking about being killed by Jewish and Christian fanatics are they? We all know who they are worried about when they board an airliner, bus, train or attend discos and other tourist attractions...and they are rightly justified in their fears.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-20 2:17:15 PM


Dear readers in the same time my friends)

i guess that will be my last time to write, because forunaytely i have a job to take care of

i have some comments i want you to read
1- iam Dr.mohamed nnot Eng osam, i do not have to hide myself.

2- someone of the reader mentioned that the black slavary happened in islamic empire , yes that is unforunately happened but it was just 1/2 million not as many cases happened by european in 14th and 15 th century, but islam still only religion which stated so clearly on the equality of people no matter what is your color , so that is why alot of africans are muslims
3- also one mentioned that the islam spread by sowrd and 85millions klilled , i guess that isso strange number becsue simply people killed in world war 2 - from 20 to 30 millions - and modern weapons used not like sowrds used by muslims unless muslims had nuclear swords!!!!

and islam spread by morals of muslims traders and simple ones in Indonesia, malysia , philipines and in many of african countries without any wars, even the army that entered egypr was 5000 men faced 2 millions so simply peoply converted so peacefuly.

3- Mr.Doug
you said that most terrorist are muslims, i agree with that because i do not understand that somebody kill his people and naming that jihad, simply it is not , it is terrorism
but in the same time do not name the people who is fighting the occupation and facing very modern armies and the do notb have any weapons but themselves as terrorists!!! they are resisiting defending their land.

but the actual fact is when armies fo civilzed countries going and kill civilians inavede and occupy,that is the real terrorism and every soldier is a terrorist and these governments are terrorists and even people who elected these governments are terrorists too

so doug we have some but you have bunch!!!

4- the point of mohamed married to alittle girl

kids in cruel hot weather environment turning to man and women with big bodies so early starting from 8 and 9 and 10 on the contarary of cold countries.
so it was so normal to marry in very young age , our prophet did not invented, it was usual matter in this time.

5- Mr.doug , you lways ask about our treatement for non muslims
i guess you have trnslated quran and you can find the statmenets about treating (people of book), i mean christians and jewish, and you will know how we treat them.
and also you can tell the reader about scientific miracle in quran like
a- the detailed steps of the formation of fetus.
b- the geology of mountains
c- how the quran mentioned that the iron not orignally from this planet but came from somewhere else.
and many .... all that mentioned 1400 years ago

i hope that you are fair and brave enough to tell the readers that.

and people of other religions still reading in bible the story of dragons of 10 heads and 7 crowns!!! and of course the song of songs mentioned by eng osama.

to the genious kazemi who can do compurer and potatoes chips in the same time

first of all every point i mentioned always i got the answer of ( it was horrible, the do not mean it!!) like guantanmo all the people even united nations do not like what happened in abou ghraib except you and you found a reason no one know it!!!
and also the big lie of killing 70 millions indu!!!
how come man? why the indu still the majority and muslim minority? and what kind of weapons they used to kill people more than people killed in world war1& 2?!!
you forgot to mentioned about killing muslims in india and kashmir!! you forgot right? and destroying of mosques like babery mosque right?

by the way one of the best periods of indian civilzation that time when controlled by muslims and taj mahal is a good proof of the indian civilzation in this time.

- and yes the islamic world now is crisis because nothing can last forever we were excellent for 800 hundred years, all scienes and arts done by muslism scientists and no educated one can deny that... then there is decling happened and that is the nature like any empire before , you can read about hellinic , roman and pharaohs....and now we are living in the age of american empire and tommorrow the chinese empire and so on...

- yes you can discuss everything about islam and you can discuss all points that annoying you but in polite fair way not just attack and telling lies.
- as a muslim we appreciate our messenger so much and we consider him as complete human being because he is normal man like us so if he did something that you think it is wrong ,simply it is not because he did it for reasonable reason but you do nt know so simply you can ask if you do not know.
we apprciate mohamed and jesus,the virgin maria, david , and joseph..... and all messnegers and profit sent by god and we consider them as ideal comolete people and it is part of our believes.

finally i miss spel alot beacuse iam not native speaker , so sorry for that but iam doing my best because simply i have been speaking in arabic for many years and now i have to speak in another language so any one of you speak in english or french and start to speak in arabic will be in the same problem.
any way thanks alot because i learnt new words
and i pray for you all to have the chance to have opened hearts & eyes to see the truth that always in fron of you

peace on you

Posted by: Dr.mohamed | 2006-02-20 7:23:32 PM


Dr.mohamed

ISLAM HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING TO THE ENTIRE WORLD!

see for youself:

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boycott-egypt.html

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-20 7:34:22 PM


To Doug or dog
As you see your name is not soo far from dog
the same if you have your God is man or you dont have one.Not big deal from Idiot to other idiot
I have told you make me laugh .You just an Idiot
waw islam has been caught
ok
Christian has been caughtfhttp://youtube.com/w/Gay-God?v=xlWw0MYEYSw&search=gay

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol | 2006-02-20 8:54:46 PM


Yes 3antrwebolbol,

The truth hurts, doesn't it? Muslims claim their Islam should never be insulted, especially by the kafir, but insulting a kafir is always acceptable in Islam. It is a typical response when they are faced with the truth or defeat. Muslims are triumphalists and claim victory even when they are clearly defeated. A Muslim can never accept defeat.

I learned years ago that the best way to win an opponent is to know him and learn about his weaknesses. The biggest weakness of Muslims is not being able to dispute truth and facts when it is presented to them. When this happens they have meltdowns, become enraged, insult, make threats and even kill. The evidence of this we have been watching on our televisions for the last week.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-20 9:22:44 PM


Dog
as I told you .you make me laugh .let it eat you
You calim that you dont have God.you mean that you are just like animal,who ,eat sleep,and use the restroom.but the animal know that he has god
but the kind of people like you are just nothing.
you dont deserve to talk with you.
We know who we are ,and we know how you people sick in your heart and your brain .and again let it eat you.I just gonna let you bark as dog and not gona answer you cause you are just DOG.now face it
please dont bark Dog ,I wana study and sleep.

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol | 2006-02-20 9:36:45 PM


3anrt we bolbol,

Tell me, when your 6 year old slave/wife puts her head against your ear, can she hear the ocean?

Your english is terrible, which I normally wouldn't care about except you are trying to communicate on an english forum with all the grace of a drunk tourettes victim with a mouthful of pudding. You're not adding anything constructive, and you're not doing much other than reinforcing existing stereotypes.

If you can type something that is both cogent and coherent, feel free. If not, don't you have a riot to attend to?

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-20 10:20:47 PM


Prometheus
Tell me when your God give birth to his mother
tell me how old she was 12 years old.tell me about the prophets of your bible sleeping with kids and the most of them gays.your naked jesus and all his student saw his butt.you want me tell you more .
any way I think you just another Dog barking.by the way am not english but I speak Arabic , African and saumaly.and my english is not that bad
so shut the hell up.am doing master in civil engineering in usa .may be my English is not soo good ,but I have brain not Idiot and worship lamb like you.the bible said(those will fight the lamb because the lamb is the king of kings)
your God is lamb and you want to talk with me
go away ,when your god become cow ,come and talk
I swear you guys make me laugh ....halahoia

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol | 2006-02-20 11:29:12 PM


To jihadist 3antrwebolbol

You must leave this place and never return. Allah in angry at you.

Yes, I am a dog. A filthy dog. My tounge is out. I am drooling. I am standing over a copy of Qu'ran. I am drooling and slobbering all over it. Then i'm going to lift my leg....

I am with Jinn. We wait for you in Jahannam. We will make you fall from the bridge. You will be with us in Jahannam forever!

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-20 11:49:16 PM


you dont like that word
Your God told the jew that they are snakes and son of snakes and fools.
so that is the words of the bible
ok lamb worshiper
I dont need to talk with kind of people like you.
and keep barking you and the others who like you
by the way read the bible(about the dragons and the god who has 7 heads)is it book or starwor movie

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol | 2006-02-21 12:06:30 AM


3antr we bolbol -

I'm going to tell you something you may have a hard time understanding, so I'll try to keep it simple and save the distinction between agnostic and atheist.

I do not believe in God.

I do believe, however, that the world is on the brink of being over-run by morons of all creeds.

And in the West, I am allowed to not believe in God. Is that same freedom extended to people in Islamic countries?

Kiddo, directing religious barbs at me to try and offend me is a waste of your time. I try to keep an open mind about Muslims, but your efforts here are not helping mine.

And your English *is* terrible. Is there a lot of multiple choice questions on the test in civil engineering - good Lord I hope there's no essays.

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 12:14:21 AM


Doug - You'll get a kick out this, considering the lastest threads. I owned a dog named Allah for years. Great dog! Cross between a Jack Russel Terrier and Boarder Collie. Named her that way on purpose - I love dogs, and can't see why they're so deingrated in some cultures.

*She* loved pork chops too.

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 12:18:22 AM


All - too anyone who feels that it is only Westerners that make set errors in their reasoning (e.g. all Muslims, all Muslims that), please don't make the mistake of thinking this is simply Western arrogance fueling this.

As 3antr goobldey-gook clearly illustrates by assuming all Westerners are Christians, there's no monopoly this type of thinking.

And question to any who might know - is there such a thing as metaphor in the Muslim tradition. I honestly do not know, but several of the posts on this thread seem to be taking Biblical metaphors literally.

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 12:25:25 AM


By the way the arab christian call the god Allah
and jesus used to call the father Allah
as I told you .you are an Ignorant about your religon
Lamb worshiper
so your trinity is
(the son and the dog and the holydog)
that is what you said Idiot
by the way what the language Jesus used to use when he teach his student......you dont know ,because you are Ignorant ,as I told you make me laugh(lamb worshiper)and now(DOG worshiper)

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol ia 7omar | 2006-02-21 12:27:39 AM


3antr AKA "Tourettes"

Do you read the other posts, specifically the replies to your nonsense before you post comments? Do you not understand the concept that this forum is meant to be a discussion, which implies there some logical structure to it - some underlying exchange of ideas on a unified topic - or is that too tough?

Can you comprehend that some people don't worship anything?
Can you leave the middle ages and join the modern era under the guise of debate?

Can you write a complete simple sentence?

(I know you're trolling, and I know I should know better, but this is like shooting fish in a barrel and I can't help myself)

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 12:35:49 AM


For a great satire on the cartoon uproar, check out:

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2006/02/seething_midwes.html

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 12:45:10 AM


Salam for who deserve salam
The prophet said (if I do bad for any Non_muslem
the same likeif i do for the prophet)
but that who insult ,they deserve eye to eye

Really If you deserve to talk with you in respect
I do ,but from the begging you and the civilized world as you think insult my dear prophet.and believe or dont believe it. if what happened is for Jesus(pbuh)I gonna do the same .Because I love him more than you think and even more than you do.
as I told you I have alot of homework, but I like my prophet more than my father and my mother and even my self( you dont know that)
and now for every body.peace for who deseve peace
and God has the power .may God show you the true Islam if you really looking for the truth.
No God but one,and one only,and Mohamed , Jesus ,and Moses are the servant and prophets of Allah

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol ia 7omar | 2006-02-21 12:56:58 AM


Tourettes -

Can you, for a single simple sentence (just one), say *something* without a religous reference?

I got a $20 riding on a bet with Janet Gretzky that you can't. Prove me wrong big guy! You can do it! Break down the stereotypes in the West that Muslims are monomaniacal drones with a mind full of only Islam!

(or just type another seizure into this thread).

Sigh.

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 1:05:49 AM


Idiot
theat is the differace between Islam and Christianity .
Islam is way to live.(religon and state)

so let everybody live as he want and dont fight anybody and, cry when the other fight back
I know that you dont want me to stop.
you are not smart enough.

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol ia 7omar | 2006-02-21 1:13:14 AM


bolbol

I know you addressed this to Kazemi, but I'm dying to know what it means:
ia m3fn ro7 nam west7ma ia abo shakha

You said : am doing master in civil engineering in usa. You also said: Islam is way to live.(religon and state).

Are you not being very hypocritical in taking your ed. in the USA which makes a clear distinction between religion and state? To be true to your beliefs, shouldn't you be studying in one of many fine universities in the Muslim world?

Posted by: Kathryn | 2006-02-21 1:24:20 AM


Tourettes.

Wow! That was the best $20 I ever won! Incomprehensible as ever, and right back to the same nonsense. You sir, are a shining example of your ilk, and I would be proud to parade you around the entire G7 myself on a junket to raise awareness of how fine and rational the Muslim mind can be. The final result of your complete "way to live."

(Actually, I have to admit I'm feeling a little like I'm picking on a child here, so I better give it a rest). Looking forward to more of your humor therapy tomorrow, champ.

Ta!

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 1:26:12 AM


>>By the way the arab christian call the god Allah
and jesus used to call the father Allah
as I told you .you are an Ignorant about your religon
Lamb worshiper
so your trinity is
(the son and the dog and the holydog)
that is what you said Idiot
by the way what the language Jesus used to use when he teach his student......you dont know ,because you are Ignorant ,as I told you make me laugh(lamb worshiper)and now(DOG worshiper)

Hey do cut this out, thse absuve lies, disortions, this only brings more bad name, disrespsct to all of the Muslims. If you really want respect for the Prophet of Islam,

and Christians in Canada have a right not to be abused by you.

and to worship Jesus, who is the sole God as a dog is to bow down in humble submission to him, something one day even you will do.

(Isa 45:23 KJV) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

(Rom 14:11 KJV) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

(John 1:29 KJV) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

(John 1:36 KJV) And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Islam's prophet does not take any sin away, nor can he forgive it still too.

Posted by: Paul | 2006-02-21 1:49:46 AM


Promethus,

Your dog named Allah is hilarious. Must remember that when I get my next dog.

Hey bolbol boy. My friend Jinn has a messege for you. Elhas teezi! Khud zubri fi teezak, ya haloof! He his coming to see you this night, when you are asleep. Sweet dreams.


Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 2:04:25 AM


>>Hey, I figured that one out - (Porno in the Bible?,,,,,, oh he means the Song of Songs). I just needed my "Junior Jihad" decoder ring to unlock some of the the message. The bulk is still quite cryptic though.....

actually it is quite easy to understand, even more in Hebrew. It is like a Shakespeare play about love, made up of various characters, and the newer Bibles do not show the various different lines given by the different persons actually spoken by the different persons.

There's main cahartcher the young maiden ( a figure of the bride of Jesus, the church of Christ) and next there is her true lover ( a figure of Jesus Christ himself) Then there is the old man who is trying to seduce the young girl, who is generally taken to be the back slidden King Solomon.( a figure of the seducing devil) and then there are the daughters of Jerusalem, the so called friends.( generally taken to be the worldly, religious persons, the non practicing Christian persons, who also seem to give wrong advice to others).

In the end the young woman stays true to her true love.

Posted by: paul | 2006-02-21 2:04:45 AM


Undeniably now the majority of News reporters, 70 percent, who reflect Canadians do believe it was right to post the cartoons. Only 30 perecent did not.

Posted by: Canadian | 2006-02-21 2:14:44 AM


Again the Dogs barking.nothing new

Posted by: 3antr we bolbol ia 7omar | 2006-02-21 7:29:01 AM


Bolbol,

Look in the mirror. You will see the true barking dog...and squealing pig. Why are you scared of us? You are terrified of us. This is because the truth of Islam is exposed. You are a coward like your terrorist Muslim friends. Attack innocent people. Kill innocent people. You do the same work here with your idiotic comments. You are too stupid to see that we all are laughing at you. You are a very funny dog! You squeal like a clownish pig.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 10:46:30 AM


Bolbol you even are too stupid to see that you now a real bad Representative for Islam by your bad posts

Posted by: Pretty Girl | 2006-02-21 11:21:28 AM


وجادلوهم بالتي هي احسن

أَلَمْ تَرَ كَيْفَ ضَرَبَ اللّهُ مَثَلاً كَلِمَةً طَيِّبَةً كَشَجَرةٍ طَيِّبَةٍ أَصْلُهَا ثَابِتٌ وَفَرْعُهَا فِي السَّمَاء (24)
تُؤْتِي أُكُلَهَا كُلَّ حِينٍ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهَا وَيَضْرِبُ اللّهُ الأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ (25)
وَمَثلُ كَلِمَةٍ خَبِيثَةٍ كَشَجَرَةٍ خَبِيثَةٍ اجْتُثَّتْ مِن فَوْقِ الأَرْضِ مَا لَهَا مِن قَرَارٍ (26)

يُثَبِّتُ اللّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ بِالْقَوْلِ الثَّابِتِ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَفِي الآخِرَةِ وَيُضِلُّ اللّهُ الظَّالِمِينَ وَيَفْعَلُ اللّهُ مَا يَشَاء (27)

this is how a Muslim should argue as directed in the quran: .....

14:24] Do you not see that GOD has cited the example of the good word as a good tree whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches are high in the sky?

[14:25] It produces its crop every season, as designed by its Lord. GOD thus cites the examples for the people, that they may take heed.

[14:26] And the example of the bad word is that of a bad tree chopped at the soil level; it has no roots to keep it standing.

[14:27] GOD strengthens those who believe with the proven word, in this life and in the Hereafter. And GOD sends the transgressors astray. Everything is in accordance with GOD's will.

=====

Posted by: muslim | 2006-02-21 11:27:46 AM


Muslim,

If people want to know the truth about Islam they are not going to get it from a Muslim are they? Never! Taqiyya (deception) is all they will get.

A used-car salesman is only going to tell you the finer aspects of the car you are looking at.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 4:07:31 PM


My brother Doug,

i am not selling anything Doug, if you believed it will be for your own benefit not mine. God says to Mohamed to recite the quran for the disbelievers. Mohamed is a warner for them

[27:92] And to recite the Quran. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good, and if they go astray, then say, "I am simply a warner."

[27:93] And say, "Praise be to GOD; He will show you His proofs, until you recognize them. Your Lord is never unaware of anything you do."

i have been a Muslim for more than 25 years. i practice Islam, read the Quran daily and i read the prophet sayings. Islam to me is the teaching of the quran and the prophet's saying. I have nothing to hide or lie about. I have read the quran in Arabic. I understand it and work with it. I love it and I feel so much calmed when I read or hear it.

[2:42] Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor shall you conceal the truth, knowingly.

regards

Posted by: muslim | 2006-02-21 6:55:28 PM


Muslim in twenty five years you had still failed clearly to aquuire the love for the others. Sad

Posted by: Canadian | 2006-02-21 7:02:01 PM


to canadian:
i do not understand what do you mean?

Posted by: muslim | 2006-02-21 7:17:56 PM


Muslim - Canadian is refering to the complete lack of instruction in the Koran commanding a Muslim to love and respect a non-Muslim.

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 7:22:50 PM


to Mr.Doug

hi how are you doin Mr.doug?
i wonder what happened to you and made you cursing god inthat way and using very impolite language????!!!

any way i left some questions to you to answer and giving the answers for the readers , beacsue you have translation of quran!

if you are posting just bad words i guess there is no need to discuss at all , becusae simply no one will listen except the voice of anger


for Muslim
thanks for your writing , but you came late!!
and i will tell you something , there is no need to invite one for islam, islam will not be stronger by them neither weaker without them
and how you expect that they will listen or read to you and they beleieve in the maths miracle( 1+1+1=3) and believe in the story of the dragons with 10 heads and 7 crowns or the song of songs?!!!
and the same time they himulate the book which containing scientific miracle mentioned 1400 years ago
as the detailed steps of forming the fetus
mentioning that the earth is like a ball
( bible mentined the earth is flat!!)
or mentioning that the iron is not element from earth.

do not waste your time like i did

wa salamon men alla alikom

Posted by: Dr.mohamed | 2006-02-21 7:47:38 PM



He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.
– Genesis 16:12


Posted by: St. John | 2006-02-21 7:56:45 PM


Dr. Mohamed - To whom are you refering when you say "they" as in "they believe"? Westerners, or Christians?

Newsflash for you, so pay attention. Not all Westerners are Christians. Westerners have many faiths, and some no faith at all. Perhaps you could post something that doesn't involve religion, just to provide some evidence that the Muslim mind can think outside of the Koran.

I'll be patiently waiting, but honestly, not holding out much hope...

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 8:00:05 PM


Ezra or Kevin,
You might consider locking this thread. It has become as dignified and thoughtful as something found on al Bawaba!
Enough, don't you think?

Posted by: Polly | 2006-02-21 8:03:40 PM


Dear "Muslim" woman,

If it is proven that Muhammad was a rapist, a looter and many, many other horrible things, Why do you want to follow him? You can do better.

I want to help people like you to open their eyes and others to see the lies of Islam and avoid it. Now, I am either wrong or I am right. If I am wrong, one Muslim should be able to prove me wrong. Where is that Muslim? But if I am right, why should I stop? Don't you think truth must always prevail?

Muslim woman, it is none of my business for you and for others what they should believe or not believe. I don’t give a hoot if you believe in mice, spiders or penguins. My concern is with Islam, because it breeds terrorism.

How can I let you or your religious brothers kill innocent people inspired by a lie? There is Persian saying. "If you see a blind person heading towards a well and don't stop him, you are a killer".

I want to make you see that by believing in a criminal liar like Muhammad you won't go to paradise. He lied to you! And there is certainly no virgin whores waiting for Muslims when they shout "Allhu Akbar" and murder innocent people. God does not prize you for your blind faith and stupidity.

What kind of God is your Allah, that he would offer you reward if you bow to him, and punish you with torture if you don't? That is not a mercyful God! That is a tyrant and a dictator, like Hitler, Saddam, or Stalin.

I want Islam be bannished in all the civilized world. I want the world see that Islam is dangerous, much more dangerous than Nazism. Nazism is banned. Islam should be too. If we don’t do that, Muslims will destroy the world because believers in Muhammad are zombie robots. When they believe, they do that without their brain.

Now, I have told you why I fight against Islam. Can you or any other Muslim tell me why you want to follow a pedophile, a mass murderer, a plunderer, an assassin, a rapist and a liar? That is the question you Muslims must answer, not to me but to your conscience and if you don't have a conscience (Islam destroys human conscience), then you must be prepared to respond to your creator. How can you hide your shame when he asks you, "I gave you a brain, why you did not use it? Didn't you know pedophilia, rape, murder and assassination are bad? Why have you followed a criminal who did all these things?" Muslim woman, how are you going to hide your shame then? Do you think you can say, "My father and my mullah/Imam told me I should follow Muhammad and I did what they told me"? Too late!

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 8:08:32 PM


To prometheus

i appreciete your polite response
but what is wrong in thinking in quran if you find the quran is your practical and inspirirtual guide to scucces and feeling self confident in your life!!?
since i read the quran and follow its directions in my life and i found nothing but success and feeling self confident???!!!
whats wrong in that?

and that is why islam is the fastest growing religion although the bad reputaion now becasue the terrorism

anyway if you read it you will find the truth

thanks

Posted by: Dr.mohamed | 2006-02-21 8:13:51 PM


Dr. Mohammed -

There's my point exactly. The West spent centuries of its own blood building secular societies for itself because they *promote the most freedom and the most tolerance*. To do this, or for Muslims to participate in the modern world, you *will* have to be able to deal with the secular world in a secular fashion. This doesn't mean abandoning your faith, but it does mean being able to put down the Koran and pick up pure reason.

How you get your feelings of confidence and self-worth is none of my concern. What does concern me, in broad strokes, is that the Koran can't seem to be put down.

Riddle me this - Forgetting about the Koran, Hadith etc. IS IT WRONG TO STONE PEOPLE TO DEATH?

If you can give me a simple answer to this simple question, in either direction, without refering to the Koran, we can have a debate - which is why I'm here. If not, as another poster said, we're going to be discussing invisible friends.

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 8:31:14 PM


Dr. Mohammad,

The only miracle of Quran is that 1.3 Billion mindless brainwashed Muslim robots follow it. Oh I forgot, there were those messages from Allah in a tomato! This is the Miracle of Islam? LOL!

What science is in Islam? Islam is cannot be scientific because it never allows doubt. Doubt is one of the worst possible sins in Islam. But science is built on the foundations of doubt. A scientist is never a believer, for to believe in any thing means to accept facts without verification. A scientist is always a skeptic, always a doubter. Does this apply to Islam? NO, a big NO! Islam demands 100% faith with no room for any doubt. Islam demands that we accept what the quran says, what the hadiths say, 100%. There is no question for any doubt. No debate. No questioning accepted of the basic beliefs. Any one daring to do so is promptly silenced.

The laughable intelligence of Quran is that teaches that the world is flat! This when Muslims tell us that quran was the word of God, therefore it is infallible. A quran verse says the heaven and the earth were created in 6 days, but another verse says 4 days, yet another says 2. Did Allah get his instructions from IKEA?

Yes, it is a "miracle" that so many Muslims can be so blind? Enough said for now. I can go on and on and on...

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 8:33:03 PM


Doug - ...or at the least, the scientist needs to be able to seperate their personal beliefs from the professional/academic beliefs.

That's the worrisome thing I'm finding through this and other boards - I can't seem to get an answer based on pure reason from any Muslim so far, despite mild provocation/sarcasm, or even pitching the equivalent of an intellectual slow-ball to see if it can at least be bunted.

Polly - This thread is not *that* bad. (some if it's damn funny too!)

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 8:39:55 PM


Yes Prometheus, it amazes me that so many Muslims can't even accpet the proven facts and evidence when it is put right in front of their face. Somehow, they are incapable of using logic, reasoning and rational thinking to question anything. This is why captured cult followers need to be kidnapped by their families and de-brainwashed or de-programed. Once they are, they are grateful.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 8:49:27 PM


Mr.doug

you are very hateful person and impolite and offourse you are such great ignorant to curse the quran and our profit

and why you consider you are right and 1300 million are wrong?
scientifically the possiblities now are
1:130000000 right?

i guess something worng in your mind to be such racist and hateful like thta, you are so angry
you muslim biyfriend did not satisfy you?

to promethus

quran never stoned people but i admit there are people wanna be stoned

quran is the book of everytime and every where
that is why immigrate that is why iam educated
the invitation to be civilized and adavned in quran and when we foolowed that we had the islamic empire for 800 years and and the euoropean came to our countries to learn arabi to know our sciences ( it is historic facts)
so there is nothing between living as muslim practicing evrything and modern one living in civilzed world .
and you can see many examples of successful muslims in north america
right?

Posted by: Dr-mohamed | 2006-02-21 9:03:04 PM


Dr. Mohamed - What in the name of everything good can you possibly mean by:

"there are people wanna be stoned"

Who, on Earth, would possibly want to be stoned to death?

Posted by: Prometheus | 2006-02-21 9:09:12 PM


Dr.Mohamad,

Islam is an insult to the entire world. It is YOU that is racist. I am not Muslim. I do not follow Islam, so then you say to me that I am a dog. Is this the peacful and tolerant Islam you teach me? Islam is my enemy.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-21 9:15:04 PM



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