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Wednesday, January 25, 2006
This cannot stand
Louisiana-style vote-counting in Saskatchewan.
Posted by Ezra Levant on January 25, 2006 | Permalink
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Sorry Ezra don't you mean 'Florida' style vote-counting? Why is following proper voting procedure important when it's you people that are on the losing end??
It wasn't important to you in 2000.
Posted by: Justin | 2006-01-25 8:22:28 AM
Oh grow up - Harrison's a sore looser.
Posted by: nBob | 2006-01-25 8:43:19 AM
Ya! Grow up!
To believe that this could happen would require one to believe that a liberal candidate and/or supporter would stoop to unethical behaviour just to get elected. I mean, really, who could fathom such a thing?
Posted by: Rob R | 2006-01-25 9:23:56 AM
The interesting thing is that this isn't just the CPC guy complaining. The NDP candidate also reports that her office received complaints about Liberal tactics, and that she supports the recount and the investigation. That should give the complaint more credence, no?
Is there actually a chance that they would have a reelection? Has something like that ever happened?
Posted by: MV | 2006-01-25 9:29:27 AM
Sorry Ezra don't you mean 'Florida' style vote-counting? Why is following proper voting procedure important when it's you people that are on the losing end??
It wasn't important to you in 2000.
He could mean 'Florida' style vote-counting. After all, in Florida we repeatedly saw Democrats in Democrat-controlled counties violating proper vote counting procedures in order to count extra votes for Gore.
Posted by: John Thacker | 2006-01-25 9:36:12 AM
I'll warrant this wasn't the only riding where Liberal ballot magic occured...fortunately Laurie Hawn causght onot Landslide Aniie's ballot scam prior to the election and this produced a clean voter's list which showed the gap between Annie and CPC was fairly dramitic....I'll wager it was the 3 times before but in those days no one suspected the Liberals of the depth of criminal depravity it takes to defraud electoral process.
We are wiser now after Adscam.
After the revelations of criminal acts by the Liberal cartel of the past decade perhaps an appropriate motto for the party would be " we have palusable deniability in everything we do".
Posted by: WLMackenzie redux | 2006-01-25 9:40:23 AM
"I have spent my career focused on integrity and accountability," says the Lib candidate. If so what was he doing running for the Libs at this point in his stellar and unvarnished career?
If he's not guilty he has absolutely nothing to fear, after all people of integrity and accountability want to ensure electoral systems are fairly administered
Posted by: ward | 2006-01-25 10:12:11 AM
"He could mean 'Florida' style vote-counting. After all, in Florida we repeatedly saw Democrats in Democrat-controlled counties violating proper vote counting procedures in order to count extra votes for Gore."
Really? This sounds like a problem. Someone should notify the US Supreme Court about this and hopefully they'll look into it...oh wait.
Posted by: Justin | 2006-01-25 10:25:08 AM
Justin, give it up. Repeated investigations into the 2000 Florida vote showed that none of the claimed irreguarities happened. Gore, who took the results to the Florida court and the US Supreme Court, lost fair and square. Kerry also lost fair and square in case you want to drag Ohio 2004 into things.
Now, what are your thoughts on the irregularities claimed in this riding?
Posted by: Kathryn | 2006-01-25 10:34:47 AM
I sent a note to CBC( wow they actually are covering this?!)explaining what I saw as a local scrutineer.The poll was walking distance from my neighborhood. Most voters would have to drive a kilometer or two(rural), and it was a lovely winter day ...no precipitation, ambient temp -1C. Voter turnout, same as national average...65%. Something stinks about this story. And who can we trust to do an honest investigation?
Posted by: Vicki | 2006-01-25 10:48:43 AM
Kathryn; actually those investigations have shown that if their were any irregularities in Florida (and many other states) they were committed by guess who; that's right the left. That will come as no shock to anyone who has watched the complete meltdown of the left down south and predictably it will be no different up here. These people truly believe they are above the rest of us; the common folk; and it is their god given right to rule. They will do and say anything to keep; or to return to power. I heard a quote once; "there is a raft of people out there completely devoid of common sense; and there is no way; absolutely no way they will ever be swayed by facts and/or figures." Pretty much sums up the left these days. As they control the MSM prepare for the barrage.
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-25 11:34:04 AM
Apparently the missing ballot box from the last poll that reported, didn't show up at its intended destination until two hours after it was supposed to. The person carrying the ballot box said that they had car trouble and that is why they were late. In the meantime, this ballot box showed almost all votes for the Liberal candidate, coincidence?? The ballot box went missing out of the view of scrutineers for two hours, a lot could happen in two hours.
Posted by: wasp | 2006-01-25 12:08:57 PM
" These people truly believe they are above the rest of us; the common folk; "
Is George W. common folk? If you believe that than you're 'special' folk.
Posted by: Justin | 2006-01-25 12:15:42 PM
In Louisiana, we have had a state law requiring maching voting in all parishes for a long time. "Vote counting" is done by opening the back of the machine. I second the respondents who wrote that you must mean Florida. Not that we haven't had our share of election shenanigans here, they just don't involve thousands of little pieces of paper.
Posted by: Raymond in Louisiana | 2006-01-25 12:17:03 PM
Call in Stephen Levitt to do some economic forensics.
I believe you all mean South Dakota voting, where Daschle appears to have won a squeaker allegedly because of too-much-to-be-plausible voting from an Indian reserve.
Posted by: Murray | 2006-01-25 12:39:22 PM
After reading your other brilliant posts above I considered not replying; I would never consider George Bush common folk but compared to the shrieking Kerry, Dean, Kennedy, Pelosci; or any top Dem right now he certainly is the voice of reason who speaks to the common folk; and he appeals to the common folk; he won reelection; even with all the lies, false accusations and everything else the left wing nut jobs and left wing press threw at him; and are still throwing at him today. What is it that the moonbat left and people like you don't understand? The people have spoke down there just as they have spoke up here. You don't have to like it; anymore than I enjoyed being held captive by the Liberals in this country having ridiculous legislation rammed down my throat. But taunting and following the lead of the out of touch left is not going to help you anymore than it helped Martin or Kerry.
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-25 1:04:16 PM
"The people have spoke down there just as they have spoke up here. "
Yes they did speak up here - and a vast majority of them DID NOT vote for a conservative agenda.
Posted by: Justin | 2006-01-25 2:24:57 PM
Justin, you are really mising the point (on purpose, perhaps?). The issue here is not whether the vote count in Florida in 2000 was done fairly. It is not whether a majority of people voted for the CPC. It is whether there was tampering with the vote in this one riding in Saskatchewan. If you cannot get fully on board with the idea that it is important to ensure that the vote count is right in this case and to deal with anyone who tampered with the results (if that is what happened) then you are no friend to democracy.
You seem to like to complain about what others might have said about other cases, but you have not said what you think about this one. It gives the clear impression that you don't really care if there was tampering in Saskatchewan. That is really sad.
Posted by: Edwin | 2006-01-25 2:43:43 PM
thank you edwin
Posted by: asdf | 2006-01-25 3:47:53 PM
"Apparently the missing ballot box from the last poll that reported, didn't show up at its intended destination until two hours after it was supposed to. The person carrying the ballot box said that they had car trouble and that is why they were late." -wasp
WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!
The EXACT same thing happened in the last provincial election. The "car trouble" excuse was also used that time. I know Saskatchewan has the oldest cars in Canada but this is too much of a coincidence.
Posted by: Barnstormer | 2006-01-25 3:49:38 PM
Of course I care. That's my point. Unlike you people I'm CONSISTENT.
Posted by: Justin | 2006-01-25 3:57:46 PM
thank you Justin ;)
Posted by: asdf | 2006-01-25 4:00:11 PM
This item from the Sage (an aboriginal publication dated January 2, 2006) should be great cause for concern to those trying to bury this election result. To claim a greater than 100% turnout in a region that normally has 40% should be cause to raise red flags regardless of who won the vote count. That it resulted in a Liberal victory only adds to the reason for public scrutiny.
To Justin: If we become so accepting of government as to not challenge anything they do, then we have kissed the democratic principal of self determination good-bye.
http://www.ammsa.com/sage/Sage-Jan2-2006.html
"The percentage of eligible Aboriginal voters who cast ballots in federal elections is traditionally lower than the percentage for Canadians as a whole. According to information on the Elections Canada Web site, it's estimated that about 40 per cent of Aboriginal electors voted in the last federal election on June 28, 2004, while the overall turnout rate across the nation was about 60 per cent."
Posted by: Servant | 2006-01-25 4:09:51 PM
To Justin: If we become so accepting of government as to not challenge anything they do, then we have kissed the democratic principal of self determination good-bye.
Servant; Justin and a good many of his friends just finished voting in 103 members of a party that define the very art of corruption; ineptitude and disgrace. Despite your best efforts you can be sure what you say will fall on deaf ears. But you are absolutely right; this kind of thing has to be looked into; there is no other choice. Its time to start cleaning up the mess.
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-25 4:25:16 PM
When I first heard about the sudden box of Liberal jubilation in Saskatchewan, I flashed back to election night and to the opening words of Andy Scott's victory speech in Fredericton, N.B. His opening statement began by thanking the Chief of the St Mary's and Oromocto Indian reserves. At the time, I thought it was odd that those two men would be singled out for praise at the beginning of an acceptance speech. Perhaps I was wrong?
Posted by: anselm | 2006-01-25 4:27:39 PM
"Justin and a good many of his friends just finished voting in 103 members of a party..."
I didn't vote Liberal in my riding but LIKE OVER 60% OF THE COUNTRY I didn't vote for the Conservatives either.
Posted by: justin | 2006-01-25 5:48:50 PM
Raymond in Louisianna;
Florida - not Louisianna? Huh? Ever hear of Huey Long?
Posted by: BCer | 2006-01-25 6:19:07 PM
justin,
I thought you and your ilk were all progressives and supported Dithers? Oh wait that was Buzzlightyear? Oh wait, that was Doucette and the Bloc. Or is that the Democratic Party of the US? It doesn't matter. All the same anyways.
Ed the Hun
Posted by: EdtheHun | 2006-01-25 6:28:09 PM
Justin; ahhh so you voted for the jackass who propped up the most corrupt party in the modern world to force his agenda on the rest of Canada; which includes forcing every Canadian into a waiting line for his wonderful "single tier health care" while he is over at the Shouldice clinic paying to get his own hip fixed. Another class act from the left. The hypocrisy of you people is utterly astounding.
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-25 6:47:11 PM
Richard,
By 'you people' I guess you're referring to the majority of Canadians. This brings me back to the point I've always ended up at here at the ShotDumb - you people hate Canada and hate Canadians.
I look forward to the future passage of a bill in decades to come that will create a special outhouse in the back of the Parliament buildings where they'll hang the portraits of Prime Ministers John Turner, Kim Campbell, and now, Stephen Harper.
Posted by: justin | 2006-01-25 8:19:34 PM
Yep; from the mind of a Lib; designate; procrastinate, postulate; and if you still don't agree with them legislate. You forget about the 40% of the population that didn't even bother to vote; but perhaps your antics are beginning to wake them up. Your forgetting about a left wing press bias unequaled in the modern world; faithful to "the cause" that scares the hell out of people unsure of change with their absolute lies and propaganda. I say give the people the truth and let them decide for themselves. Then lets have a straight up vote. As for arrogant, narcissistic people like yourself; enjoy your Trudopia while you can; the people who built this country are here to take it back. With or without you. By the way I will enjoy seeing the portrait of John Turner; and will certainly use it accordingly; he was a Liberal moron.
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-25 9:01:28 PM
Justin: "Really? This sounds like a problem. Someone should notify the US Supreme Court about this and hopefully they'll look into it...oh wait."
You have to be freakin' kidding me. Why don't you go blog on Mikey Moore's site, I think he too is still whining about this 6 YEARS LATER!!!!!!!!! We're talking about Sask here. Do you have something to say about it or are just going to stick to your shtick of amateur agitator?
Posted by: Stopthetrain | 2006-01-25 9:57:47 PM
I apologize to my fellow bloggers for being off topic and engaging this guy; I know its completely immature; I will try and do better; but damn its fun!!
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-25 10:18:03 PM
Justin,you just need a hug. Why don't you grab your picture of Belinda and a kleenex and lay yourself down for the night.In the morning you will feel much better.
Posted by: wallyj | 2006-01-25 10:30:52 PM
He's had his hot cup of milk and gone down already. First period geography tomorrow, 9:00 sharp.
Posted by: Stopthetrain | 2006-01-25 10:47:23 PM
For crying-out-loud!
This is the year 2006, why the hell are we using this antiquated ballot crap when computers & identification technology at the polling stations would definitively solve the problem of matching people to there ridings & if they are eligible to vote.
Posted by: missing link | 2006-01-25 10:57:49 PM
I grew up in said riding; these type of voter fraud shenanigans would not surprise me in the least. I recall reading that after the 2004 election the natives were furious that a CONSERVATIVE (gasp) had actually gotten elected (the NDP and Liberal candidates , both natives, had split the vote and Jeremy got in). They were not going to let this happen again. The racial tension in that area is very high and it's always Natives vs. other folks. In this case, though, I believe the NDP candidate is also aboriginal and she is saying that she's heard of shady happenings as well.
Would not surprise me in the least. Hey, let's get the army to supervise the re-vote (at the ballot box. On election day. In Canada.)
Posted by: Soccermom | 2006-01-25 11:24:48 PM
The conservatives (including you people here) have been demanding things like a 'free vote' on same-sex marriage because the 'majority of Canadians are against it'!
Well then - BRING ON YOUR FREE VOTE!!!!
My point was that Canadians HAVE REJECTED AGAIN the neo-consverative agenda in huge numbers. In 2004 almost 70% said 'NO' to Harper's America-lite policies. A vote for either the Liberals, NDP or the Green party is a progressive vote no matter which of the parties it goes to.
Anyway again, bring on the marriage free vote!
(this is a repeat since you people are in DENIAL)
Posted by: Justin | 2006-01-26 8:01:49 AM
Oh; your back! Once again your arrogance exceeds your intellect!
One of the most amazing things about you lefties is your complete ignorance of history and truth. Do you really think the agenda you moonbats are pushing has not been tried before? You people have been around forever and frightfully have managed to even take over a few countries. The Soviet union comes to mind; remember them; the true definition of the "nanny state" in which everyone was treated as an equal. Free health care; free education; free child care; they had it all. Where are they now? Sadly any country who has given into the left has paid dearly for it; in many cases in blood. Anywhere it has been tried has been an unmitigated disaster.
It is hard to discern any difference between you and the typical left wing loon in the US these days. Screaming about they speak for the majority; the "majority of people are against the Iraq war" (even though real poles; and the one that counts the most; reelection; would prove that wrong) The "majority of people support same sex marriage" they shriek; so to prove their point they put it to a referendum in 11 of the most Liberal states in their last election; where it met a crushing defeat. Funny; I haven't heard much about the same sex marriage issue down there since.
Be careful what you wish for moonbat; it is questionable whether same sex would pass even a straight up "free vote" in the house of commons; You forget the Liberals don't allow free votes; but I'm sure that's okay with you. It is not for the majority of Canadians. And I know I speak for the majority of people when I say I know how well your vote would go in a true nation wide referendum. Why do you think the left wing loonies who are in much higher positions than you use lies and scare tactics to try and stay in power to prevent such a vote? I am sick and tired of turning on the TV and watching Layton, Martin, or some moonbat like you telling me they speak for the majority of Canadians; they have never spoke for me; or a healthy majority of Canadians on any issue; and never will.
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-26 9:10:01 AM
Richard: "Layton, Martin, or some moonbat like you telling me they speak for the majority of Canadians; they have never spoke for me; or a healthy majority of Canadians on any issue; and never will."
I second that. Layton and Martin (nor anyone else on the left) has never asked me what I thought of anything. They have, however, been more than happy to tell what I should think/act/feel.
To be fair, the small c conservatives have never asked me what I thought either. The difference is that I have never been denigrated by them for daring to think differently. Respect - what a concept.
Posted by: Kathryn | 2006-01-26 10:16:01 AM
ebt; perhaps I have; actually I usually heat the end as well; whats your point?
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-26 12:34:07 PM
Justin,
How about this:
Under our present electoral system, Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada won. A minority government. Just like Paul Martin, before him.
Now, Mr. Martin was simply carrying on the Liberal rule when he took office, took a gamble on calling the election, and dropped the Liberals from a majority to a minority. Smooth move on his part, but anyway, between he and Jack! they managed to get how much of the Liberal platform enacted? Pretty much nothing other than SSM. And if we look at the preceeding years of "progressive" Liberal rule we see much the same trend. Lots of promises in the various election platforms, followed by little useful action (lots of expenses, but nothing to show for it).
So, now we have Mr. Harper taking office.
How about we revisit this conversation when the next election is called, and let's see how much of the Conservative platform has been enacted, and how much better off (or worse off, if you are one of the Liberal voters who reside within one of our institutions of incarceration, I hope) Canadians are.
My guess is that far more constructive work will have been done by Mr. Harper's government than by the previous Liberal governments, and that should go a long way towards changing the results for the next election to place the Conservatives into a true majority government.
Enjoy the next 2 years under an enlightened party instead of a regressive, oh, sorry, "progressive" party.
Posted by: Another Sean | 2006-01-26 1:15:02 PM
Troll troll troll, the Justy's marching:
"Anyway again, bring on the marriage free vote!"
Only if it's a gay free vote as well - :)
Regardless of whatever might be the result of a free vote on SS"M", Father De Sousa made an NB point in the Post today: so-cons may not see much of their agenda accomplished during Harper's term, but at least "progressives" like Just Stunned won't see any of theirs. Judicial redefinition of "marriage" to include everyone in your swingers club is on indefinite hold.
Here's something else to think about as you lie awake at night, J my boy - somewhere out there the legions of Canadian Scalias are awaiting their appointments to fill the present vacancies on the SCC (one down, eight to go) and the other appellate courts. Think Stockwell Day or Myron Thompson with a law degree.
Wait a minute - EZRA's a lawyer!!!
Posted by: Great Walls of Fire | 2006-01-26 2:04:11 PM
Amen brother ebt, and the spirit is growing!
In reference to my having used the above phrase, I am not a religious zealot.
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-26 3:18:54 PM
Its a fact folks when it comes to our hinterland who's who of political shenanigans our native friends always seem to able to show us a thing or two!
Just a reminder of the banana republic mentality certain people seem to thrive on.
BTW could the moderators please consider taking out some of these Off-Topic Rants??
PGP
Posted by: PGP | 2006-01-26 6:05:58 PM
PGP, I posted this farther up,
I apologize to my fellow bloggers for being off topic and engaging this guy; I know its completely immature; I will try and do better; but damn its fun!!
once again sorry, couldn't help myself!
Posted by: Richard | 2006-01-26 6:17:21 PM
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