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Friday, November 04, 2005
France's intifada enters its second week, complete with calls to appease the rioters, even to withdraw police from the riot zones and with them, French sovereignty. Denmark is trying something different: A blunt reassertion of western freedom of speech. For some reason, the establishment left loves to joust with religion when it is Christianity -- viz., Piss Christ. Not as many show the same courage when the religion in question is Islam. It is fair for Muslims to take offence to the Danish cartoons, just as it is fair for Christians to despise Piss Christ and other "transgressive" artwork targetting them. What is being taught here is that the proper response is to debate, not to decapitate, one's opponents.
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You don't deal with a 10th century mentality with words, it's a sigh of weakness.
Posted by: AsISeeIt | 2005-11-04 5:07:19 PM
What we have in the West is an apissement mentality.
Posted by: Mark Collins | 2005-11-04 5:21:43 PM
Religion doesn't seem to have much to do with anything at all that's going on in France. The driving force seems to be that they are (a) not born in France and (b) are people of colour and (c) poor.
No doubt it will prove to be fertile recruitment territory for some of the Islamist hotheads - becasue they exploit frustration and anger- but really this is just another version of LA' s Watts Riot of the 60's or the Brixton Riots in 70's/80's London ( which recently flared up again)
Posted by: Nbob | 2005-11-04 5:37:19 PM
Religion has nothing to do with it ? Islam is not considered a religion anymore ? These thugs are Muslim/Algerian/whatever else you want to call them...not Christian, Mormon, Buddhists...
Posted by: Mark Alta | 2005-11-04 5:46:14 PM
Just had to post one more time,read elsewhere.
Hey France, Watts up man?
Posted by: AsISeeIt | 2005-11-04 6:21:50 PM
friday, november 04, 2005
French Intifada, Day Nine
Violence flares again in France, deepening sense of crisis.
This is one of the few wire stories I have seen that explicitly identifies the rioters as young Muslim men, as most of the world media do their best to look the other way. LGF
Overwhelmed police have found themselves powerless to stop the conflagration, which has seen a total of over 1,000 vehicles torched and more than 200 people arrested.
Those responsible are groups of young Muslim men, the sons of families from France’s former Arab and African colonial territories, who have said in interviews that they are protesting economic misery, racial discrimination and provocative policing. >>> Via LGF
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-04 6:32:51 PM
CF-18s just Scrambled from the Calgary International Airport. Sonic booms.
Posted by: Speller | 2005-11-04 6:44:44 PM
No problem. Not terrorists, just typical Air Canada service. One of their planes had an engine problem and had to return to Calgary airport.
Posted by: Scott | 2005-11-04 8:00:13 PM
France made a "dhimmi",a submission pact with Hitler's Germany in 1940. The Vichy regime collaborated with Nazi Germany in all respects, including the forcible eviction of Jews from France to their deaths in the Nazis' death camps.
Nemesis is more than an old Greek god/myth.
Beware of nemesis: as in today's jargon, what goes around, comes around. >>>>
James, I also have little understanding of the internal French political system. However, to understand some of the contributing causes of the riots in France by the mohammedans, a great read is Eurabia by Bat Ye'or where proof is shown that France made a dhimmi pact with the arabs. Also read the koran (as much as you can), the hadiths of Bukhari and the sira or life of muhammed by Ibn Ishaq.
France, from Nietzche to nihilism
to submission to islam. Quite a journey >>>
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-04 8:00:45 PM
I have seen some people interviewed by reporters on TV. What amazes me is the lack of the sense of responsibility and power to change things. It is like they would consider riots like a hurricane or natural disaster. No one manifested real anger. No one said let's get together and do something about this intifada.
It seems their brains cannot make the connection. Group of muslims putting fire to their property and nothing to be done.
And the government rather than taking action is waiting and giving interviews to some teenagers. Compare that with the French attitude before the war in Irak.
I sense the same attitude that was in France before WWII. I was not there but I read Général De Gaulle memories.They would not do anything to anger Hitler. Now they try not to do anything to anger Islam.
What is it going to take to wake up the French people?
Posted by: Rémi houle | 2005-11-04 9:39:32 PM
I hope the French wake up before Notre Dame is turned into a mosque, the Louvre is a madrassa and they are named the 18,346th and 18,347th holiest sites in Islam.
Western leaders have to start telling Muslims unhappy with western values that they should move to any part of the ummah they choose. And it might be cheaper in the long run for the west to pay their passage.
Posted by: Kathryn | 2005-11-04 9:55:12 PM
> who have said in interviews that they are protesting economic misery, racial discrimination and provocative policing. >>>
Right- you don't hear them say " cause Osama told us to " or
" this is jihad " or " we want piglet banned" or " we're out to destroy decedent western culture" No, they want their share of decedent western culture.
Spinning it as some sort of Islamist Intifada misses the point - but then again that's par for the course much the time round here.
Posted by: Nbob | 2005-11-04 10:06:44 PM
Spontaneous riots can erupt over single incidents but extended violence requires a group identity. An individual will feel safe in the anonymity of crowds only if he's confident that the guy next to him is like him in some signficant way.
Nbob argues that identity is poverty but that old shibboleth is too general and too worn out as a justification for every anti-social act to be useful.
We have all seen enough over the past few years to at least recognize the possibility that the rioters identity glue is Muslim. The distinction is significant because politicized Muslims are not looking for their slice of the pie. They want the whole thing and the rest of us restricted to the kitchen to cook it.
Islam grew rapidly because it provided a rationalization and a group cohesiveness to take material goods from others. Mohammed was a brigand by trade and the first Muslims were nothing more than gang members. Like it or not,Islam was then and has always remained a Mafia with rituals.
There is no appeasment. Only a quiet period between battles.
Posted by: Speller | 2005-11-04 10:33:30 PM
Hope I don't upset you Speller, but excellent retort ! Couldn't have said it more clearly myself.
Posted by: MarkAlta | 2005-11-05 10:02:29 AM
National Socialists' fear and loathing expressed for all the world to see>> By: The colour Yellow>>>>
Quebec seizes yellow margarine
Raids turn up 72 tubs. Inspectors descend on four Wal-Marts in Quebec City area
Saturday, November 05, 2005
Agriculture Department inspectors swooped down on four Wal-Mart stores in the Quebec City area yesterday and seized 72 plastic tubs of yellow Becel margarine with an estimated street value of $179.28.
The margarine is butter yellow, which makes it illegal for sale in Quebec. >>>>>
montreal gazette >>>>>>
Nazis Order Jews to Wear Yellow Stars
At The History Place - Part of the Holocaust Timeline.
www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-star.htm - 2k -
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-05 11:13:01 AM
"There's war going on in France..." : Wretchard. >>>
It’s hard to find some good reporting on the Paris riots, one of the newspapers here this morning claimed that the violence had abated somewhat. Well, that’s hardly the case. Below I’ve translated an excerpt from the Dutch public broadcasting organization’s report on night number nine, Friday night ... The term "Paris Riots" has become a complete misnomer. There's war going on in France and that is coming from someone who is not given to hyperbole, but the facts have made that conclusion inescapable. ...
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-05 6:09:31 PM
Here is an insight into the psyche of la Belle France (by a commenter who lives in & posts from Paris) : "ubiquitous dog shit on the side walk." >>>
immigrant kids have been burning cars, protesting, rioting, beating up passers by and generally engaging in obnoxious public behavior for years. nothing astonishing here and likewise nothing astonishing in the rise of the Front National as a political force (despite its many and obvious political defects). in paris, the voyou (thug) is a fact of life which one learns to avoid, very much as one learns to avoid the ubiquitous dog shit on the side walk. >>
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-05 6:44:21 PM
Smart people are using hyperbole to describe the conflict in France.
To the annoyance of both Francophiles and Leftist acolytes of the Fifth Republic, the actions in France at most still seem to be a battle of opportunity for the local disaffected. We do not know if it has been initiated, or is in the process of being assumed, by Islamist forces. It is a misuse of the word ‘war’ to ascribe it as such. Since the Global War on Terror has been ongoing for 20 - 40 years, and since the conflict is truly global, and since Europe has previously been a front in the conflict, we must watch for an opportunistic attempt to make France a Front or a Theater of the War. France is the Sickest Man in Europe - but she is by far not the only ill patient in the region. The problem for France is that the assumption by Islamists can occur quickly - and that the French have dithered in normal Leftist indecisiveness. Islamist forces can now capitalize on the power vacuum opening up in large swaths of France and Europe.
European appeasement in the GWOT may, in fact, lead to the war being fought here (as in Europe) rather than there (as in the Middle East). Europe may come to regret their inability to project force, but she may be saved by a stronger internal police than exists in America. The frightening thing about this rioting is that France's 'Fifth Republic' may fall in something as small as a regional battle. It may not take a theater campaign to collapse the surrender monkeys. That fact is as sad as it is frightening - and it harkens to a point behind Wretchard's point, that France fell to Nazism as well as to the German army.
If France falls, the pecking order will be Spain, then Italy, then Germany. To date, however, we have no proof that militant Islam has the ability to use this uprising. The Anglosphere may have destroyed this capability. Thus, America may once again save French bacon in a war between good and evil.
We shall soon see how organized militant Islam is...
We may soon see how militaristic the West is...
This is what President Bush strove to avoid...>>>
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-06 11:05:04 AM
** Many left winger artists and liberalism is more againt Christianity and the Bible than other religions and holy books because Christianity has more real merrit. Real and non biase theologian scholars know the Judeo-Christian Bible actually has much historical reality. Thus the constant unfairness attacks upon Christianity. The King James Bible in and of itself is the greatest work in all of literature-and should be aquiered reading for all groups and people who admire books or literature. Five good Biblical reads are: 1-Gospel of John / 2-Acts/ 3-Romans / 4-Proverbs / 5-Psalms. **
Posted by: Larry | 2005-11-06 2:55:16 PM
While Islam claims to be an 'Abrahamic' religion the important factor of Jewish nonparticipation in the revelation and practice is essentially ignored.
From whence comes Islam's legitimacy as an 'Abrahamic' religion?
People of the Book, in deed?
Posted by: Speller | 2005-11-06 3:13:17 PM
And throw in a call to end to the “cycle of violence” too while you’re at it.
posted by Joe N. @ 3:48 PM
Steven Plaut has looked at the rioting in France and proposed a “two state solution”, pointing out that they have always been more than happy to give other people’s safety away.
«Paris is now being targeted by violent rioting hordes. For years, the French accused American racism of having produced the race riots in the US in the 1960s and 1970s, as well as the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King business. And the French are sure that only Jewish cussedness and just plain Israeli evil lie behind the behavior of the Palestinian pogromchiki. The Gall of dem Galls!
[ . . . ]
So after leading the Solidarity-with-the-Baathists movement in Europe during the recent Gulf War, France is now enjoying its own intifada by urban Muslim resistance fighters, in suburban Paris. Of course, this is all on top of France's long history of supporting Islamist fascism and Palestinian terrorism.
Now, a few years back, during a trip to Israel, French Prime Minister Lionel Jospin urged Israel to make concessions for peace. More interesting yet, in documents relating to his visit, Jerusalem was called the ''capital of the Palestinian Authority.'' And what do the French consider to be the capital of Israel? Tel Aviv, of course. This trip followed by a few years a visit made by President Jacques Chirac, who used the occasion of his visit in 1996 to announce that ''Syria has a moral right to demand return of the Golan Heights.''
These French politicians may be on to something important. Never one to back down from a challenge, I have prepared a set of proposals for consideration by the French people, so that not only can they preserve peace in Parisian suburbia, but they too can achieve a full, lasting and just peace with their urban resistance opponents.»
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-06 3:17:35 PM
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