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Monday, September 26, 2005

France, non. Canada, oui.

Ho ho! Those sanctimonious Liberals who said there was nothing inappropriate about Michaelle Jean's dual citizenship have now been proven to be hot air bags by no less an authority than Jean herself. The GG-designate has announced that, in recognition that she is to be Commander in Chief of the Canadian Forces, she is renouncing her French citizenship. Now, if only she'll answer the question, "Have you now or have you ever been a supporter of the FLQ?....."

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I understand she is refusing to swear on a bible.

Posted by: Ron | 2005-09-26 8:48:37 AM


One wonders what the "family reasons" were that led Michaelle Jean to apply for French citizenship in the first place. Perhaps better career opportunities in France (and the whole EU with French citizenship) until she was offered the GG
gig--which also includes a lucrative life-time pension when her term of office is up.

By the way, note how veterans are subtly damned in the sub-head on the Globe's story: "Veterans feared she'd have two masters"--as if only they had concerns.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050926/JEAN26/TPNational/TopStories

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2005-09-26 8:56:42 AM


Maybe she wanted French citizenship as a refuge in case Quebec ever succeeded in becoming independent?

Posted by: Two Cents | 2005-09-26 9:21:45 AM


Remember that everything done by the Liberal Party has only ONE agenda: Power. Over the past decade the Liberals have calcified, rather like a senescent tyrant, into a Closed Unit. As a senescent tyrant they have only one focus: their remaining in control.

The media informed us that Ms Jean obtained French citizenship on her marriage to her husband. Wrong. She applied, deliberately, for it. She did the same with her adopted daughter.
Now, she is 'resigning' that citizenship. For five years.
She was appointed as G-G for one reason; votes in Quebec. The Liberals want to take votes away from the Bloc, so they appointed a separatiste as 'Theirs'. It will work, for Quebecers are all separatistes, primarily in the weak (aligned) mode rather than the strong (complete) mode. But they all consider themselves incompatible with the ROC.

The Liberals are also going to imagize Ms Jean as 'herself' in charge of her agenda. No, only in minor 'girl' issues (such as her dresses; who cares). Otherwise, she is a pawn of the Liberals.

I suggest that her giving up French citizenship was an action taken by the Liberals, to reduce any use of this French citizenship during an election campaign. ALL three parties, the NDP, the Bloc and the CPC could use this dual citizenship and double loyalties against the Liberal Party.

The Liberals want a Fall Election before the Gomery Report. That's why they are saying they don't want an election; they want to be viewed as 'victims' of the Greedy CPC, who 'lust for power'...while the poor Liberals, who have no such lust for power, merely want to beallowed to govern the country...but the Evil Greedy CPC won't let them...(tears, weeping in background). The rhetoric is all there.

The thing about the Liberals, is that they always pre-test their agenda by announcing it, via indirect leaks to the MSM, several weeks before. You can predict, exactly, the new few weeks for the Liberals; their strategy is always pre-tested.

Posted by: ET | 2005-09-26 9:22:17 AM


Two stumbling blocks down with the denoucement of separatism and cahing in the dual citizenship, 1 more to go with the refusal to touch a bible.

One wonders why a foreign citizen with separatiste sympathies and athiest militancy was even chosen in the first place...why this confrontaion with Canadian values by the PMO promoting such a person for head of state?

Perhaps the Liberal PMO's A-list for appointees reveals the real contempt they have for real "Canadian Values"

Posted by: WLMackenzie redux | 2005-09-26 9:23:25 AM


Mack,

Wouldn't it show more disrespect, not less, for an unbeliever to swear on the Bible? Her atheism may be a point of contention, but her honesty, at least on this point, shouldn't be.

Posted by: surly | 2005-09-26 9:45:18 AM


GG's appointment was from PM Paul Martin, Jr., a Roman Catholic Christian. The Church of Rome holds the Bible (which version?) as the vessel/fount from which it has sprung.
How will Martin react to GG "not" swearing on the Bible as tradition/law/custom dictates?

Imagine the Imam/Sheik of Swat pisiiii/dissing the Koran? Quel/what an uproar, oui/no?

Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Posted by: maz2 | 2005-09-26 10:01:55 AM


ET: Those poor, poor afflicted Liberals. How they stand the stress and suffering is beyond mortal comprehension. Though maybe all those MP and ministerial pensions somehow help in bearing the non-cross of power.

By the way, the GG gets a large, life-time pension at the end of her term. So maybe Michaelle Jean will not have an economic motive to get her French citizenship back. Let's see in five years or so.

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2005-09-26 10:04:53 AM


I believe the French citizenship was taken out in order for her daughter to qualify for welfare, in the form of free education in France. If her daughter now has French citizenship then it isn't necessary for her mother to maintain it.

The thing about not swearing on the bible could mean she's a principled atheist, or it could be a message to her separatist buddies, "Voyons donc, I didn't sell out because I didn't really swear to serve the Hinglish Queen."

Posted by: Justzumgai | 2005-09-26 10:05:05 AM


The Liberals will deal with her refusal to touch the bible, by saying that anyone who objects to her refusal is a Bible-Thumping RedNeck member of the CPC, is someone who rejects the Great Ideology of Multiculturalism, blah blah.

The fact remains; she has no qualifications to be the G-G. None.
IF you define the qualifications for the highest political and governmental authority of this country to be:
1- born outside of Canada
2- member of minority group
3- francophone
4- separatiste ideology
5 -works in the MSM
then, one must wonder why you have selected these attributes as indicative of this highest role. Why, why, why?

The only answer. Votes in Quebec.

Note also how, according to the Liberal Leak, she was chosen. Not by a rational action by one person or a committee deliberating about 'required attributes' and 'best fit for those required attributes'. No. It was a 'coup de foudre' of Martin and only Martin, who 'saw, heard and loved'. Nonsense.

The Liberal Gang don't have any emotions; their agenda is power and power is best run with a cold heart. The Liberals used their oligarchic dictatorial powers to fulfil this SOLE AGENDA of power. Ms Jean was chosen, deliberately, and also deliberately imagized as an emotional choice, for one reason: Quebec voters.

It's to move them out of the emotive soap opera of the Gomery produced show, 'Betrayal of the Quebecers by the Liberals', into the New Fall Show, yet another soap opera, which reveals 'The Truth about the Liberals'. Yes, their hidden nature; they all Love Quebec, and they are, in their souls, 'Quebecois separatistes'. Proof? That coup de foudre love for Jean.

Posted by: ET | 2005-09-26 10:25:11 AM


By the way, I heard that Ms Jean didn't need to take out French citizenship so that her daughter could be a French citizen; she was already defined as French, because she was adopted by a French citizen, her father.
No, Ms Jean took out French citizenship because she wanted it.

Quebecers do not link themselves, ever, to any anglophone country. All anglophone countries - and that means the ROC and the US and elsewhere are viewed as one 'set'. And rejected.

Quebecers align themselves only with francophone countries. Only. The language division is unbelievable but it's there and sits at the root of all behaviour.
Actually, Quebec and francophone countries will see this G-G role as proving their dominance over the ROC.

It will also be interesting to see how Queen Adrienne, who really wanted to be G-G for Life, is going to handle this situation. She has already indicated that she is going to write a Tell-All book, and that it will accuse the Liberals of 'not being nice' to Her Greatness, particularly when it became obvious that she was a liability. Her spending, her snobbery, her ego, were all becoming Openly Talked About, and the Liberals realized she was a liability. She had to go - and I think Adrienne is extremely upset about this. You do not cross Her Magnificence; she and her sophist husband think very highly of themselves...and it will be interesting to see what she will do.

Posted by: ET | 2005-09-26 10:35:08 AM


If Ms Jean is indeed an atheist:
- It is certainly NOT an issue, as Canada is a secular country.
- And she should NOT swear on the Bible as this would be hypocritical.
- Finally, she would be a refreshing contrast to all those Catholics who control the Canadian government.

/Johan

Posted by: Johan i Kanada | 2005-09-26 11:05:41 AM


Queues. The answer is queues.

As anyone who has traveled to the EU in the past 15 years can attest, the lines for non-EU passport holders are unconciably (sp?) long. Why on earth would anyone subject themselves to the line if it could be avoided? Can't you imagine the conversation? "Jean Daniel, you take our child with you through the fast line. I will catch up with you sometime next week."

Now that she is eligible for the fancy green "diplomatic" passport, the lines will be even quicker, and there will be no need to fill out that pesky customs declaration. Side trip to Amsterdam? "Please madame, step behind the curtain for a physical examination. Sacre-bleu, that damned green passport! Have a nice day Your Excellency".

Give up the conspiracy theories folks. She was just trying to make more efficient use of her time. If I could get away with it, you can be damned sure I would.


PS. If you are traveling in Asia, look for the APEC booth at passport control. No one knows what APEC is so the lines are always the shortest.

Posted by: herringchoker | 2005-09-26 11:06:06 AM


In other news, the paranoid, delusional Conservatives who said Jean was going to use her position as head of the armed forces to claim Canada for France have now been proven to be paranoid, delusional hot air bags by no less an authority than Jean herself.

Posted by: Greg | 2005-09-26 11:14:12 AM


A citizenship acquired in 2004 is cancelled in 2005. Dresses ordered in August are cancelled in September. I wonder which decision was the more difficult.

Posted by: mike m | 2005-09-26 11:14:19 AM


Hmm. I can't stop musing...

The selection of Ms Jean as G-G is a deliberate election strategy. My guess is that the Liberals are going to have her VERY busy over the fall, using her as their major campaign Disney platform in Quebec. The tactic in Quebec is to focus on emotion, and the emotion is Love Quebec.

The Liberals want a fall election. They will continuously present themselves as not wanting an election. They, poor dears, just 'want to govern'; they just want to 'do what the people want'. Oozing sincerity. The Evil CPC Who Lust For Power are insisting, however, on an election. Sigh. So, the Liberals, who will suddenly remember what 'no-confidence vote' means, will be forced into an election by These Evil Ones.

The Liberals MUST get votes in Quebec. That's what the frisky Ms Jean is all about; votes in Quebec. So, they will have her zipping around Quebec and only Quebec all fall. Opening this, funding that...on and on and on. She's their key platform.

Then, they must silence Adrienne Clarkson, who is seething at being booted out. They've been soothing her monstrous ego by a number of tactics. That 'Farewell to the Chief' Military Parade was a major attempt. Then, they've rapidly set up a Clarkson Foundation. They are going to have to feed and feed that ego, for Madame Clarkson's Ego is bottomless and she is very angry at the moment.I suspect there will be other acts taken to Silence Clarkson; they'll appoint her to this and that; send her off as ambassador or High Priestess or whatever. They have to silence her, for an Angry Clarkson is quite something and she's very vindictive. (Note, her own two children have had nothing to do with her for many years).

What other tactics? Bribe the Maritimes. They've already been doing that in the past few weeks. They'll have to do something in Ontario, for Ontario is getting a bit fuzzy about the Liberals. I'm not sure what they'll do, but, the tactic will be leaked to the press, a few weeks before they actually do it. The West? They'll ignore it or use it.

Posted by: ET | 2005-09-26 11:17:29 AM


“They’ll have to do something for Ontario …”

Scott says they are planning to build a big ‘ol pipeline from Deputy PM Landslide Annie’s riding straight into the 905 area code (the Librano$ have already locked up 416)

Posted by: nomdenet | 2005-09-26 11:38:41 AM


herringchoker - Are you serious? You are claiming that the only/major reason for Ms Jean's applying for French citizenship was to avoid passport queues in Europe???

Heck, I travel a fair bit in Europe each year, with a Canadian passport, and over quite a few years- arriving in Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels, Prague, Dresden, etc...and have never, ever, in all those years had to deal with unreasonable times customs. In fact, I've always been surprised by how FAST their customs is; you simply zip through.

You know where the LONG delays and queues are?? Here, in Canada. It's terrible. I've spent, several times, at least an HOUR in the Pearson airport customs queue.
Waiting, waiting...until my turn, to be met with irrelevant questions - such as 'what type of conference were you attending; what does 'informational dynamics' mean? [What business is it of theirs?]
In Europe, there aren't any questions; they check passport, visa if you require one..and that's it.

So, sorry, but I don't buy your quite fascinating claim that the reason for Ms Jean's deliberate application for French citizenship was to avoid queues at the airport. I think it might be more substantial than that.

Posted by: ET | 2005-09-26 11:57:20 AM


herringchoker: Actually, diplomatic passports are red. The green ones are "special passports" for government officials on official business who do not enjoy formal diplomatic immunity.

GG Jean, as Vicereine, would qualify for the red variety.

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2005-09-26 12:06:18 PM


I stand corrected Mark. La passporte rouge it is.

ET, I'm very serious about the immigration control issue, although if you like, perhaps she was just taking out insurance in case she was canned by RadCan. In that case she would be entitled to work in La Republique, and the rest of Europe to boot, with that French passport.

I'm glad to hear that your travel goes so smoothly. I'll admit, most of my travel has been through Heathrow & CDG2 (although I did come in through Zagreb once, but they weren't so concerned about my passport. The rifle in my kit bag saw to that), where the lines can be quite brutal. My favourite experience was standing in line behind an Indian fellow of about 28. In my estimation he might have been a software engineer trying to slip in on a visitor's visa, but no great threat to the Realm. Instead they went through the process of photographing & fingerprinting while I and several dozen folks stood in line behind him. Try to change line. A definite NoNo.

I do agree with you about treatment at our end, but I think it's hit and miss. If your flight is on time, you breeze through. If you are rushing for a connecting flight it's, "please step behind the curtain." Of course, HM Customs aren't really interested in collecting duty on that carton of Marlboros in my suitcase.

Posted by: herringchoker | 2005-09-26 12:41:26 PM


What is the payoff for liberals? After last Spring, one can bet this is the same gimmick going on.

The new GG may well draw more votes in Québec. I've just read 2 or 3 full pages in a daily paper today. In the first pages, they were telling how nice it is, telling stories of her childhood in Haiti, telling how elated are people in Haiti! Does it look like a nice move for everybody in Québec, in Haiti, in France? I bet the heart of every separatist is accelerating now. And giving up French citizenship, how nice of her, right?

Atheist? Who cares? Canada is a country now promoting anti-christian values. Ministers are friends of the gay crowd. Even in Québec the PQ most popular candidate seems to be a drug addict in addition of being a homosexual.

What can you expect? That the libs are going to become honest overnight? Come on! I suggest as a Christian that we keep on focusing on our goals. Let's support Rev. Tristan Emmanuel.

Posted by: Rémi houle | 2005-09-26 12:42:13 PM


Herringchocker,

I got my passport for precisely the reason you mention. And work. When travelling in Europe the EU lines are always shorter. This is especially the case in Heathrow. Who doesn’t have at least dual passports these days? I’ll tell you who, suckers!

Why wouldn’t you get an EU passport if you could? It’s a non-brainer. Like getting a US passport if you had the chance, you’d have to be an idiot to turn another passport down. You might want to go work there in the future. Who knows …

But don’t worry. ET is the MacGyver of conspiracy theories. She once invented a multi-tiered conspiracy involving the Jesuit Order, Power Corp, Desjardins Bank, the Aga Khan Pakistani nuclear smuggling operation and the town of Timmons Ontario. Her only proof was a receipt from a lunch Chrétien was purported to have had where he had drunk seven Labatt Ice beers at an Ottawa Bistro (as well as three unconfirmed tequila ‘body shots’ off the young waitress’s belly), a cigarette butt with liberal red lipstick wrapped seductively around it and a fleeting glimpse she once got of Pierre Pettigrew getting his shoes shined in the Calgary airport as she changed planes for Edmonton. She had an old Polaroid she claimed proved the latter, but upon examination all it showed was a photo of a smudged souvenir mug with ‘Welcome to Vancouver’ written across a backdrop of some mountains which could be the Rockies.

The conspiracy was a thing of beauty. So intricate and so beautifully woven it could make you cry to look at it. It should be hanging in the national gallery.

Posted by: Non-Sucker | 2005-09-26 1:26:08 PM


Good god, Non-Sucker; what a bunch of nonsensical garbage you write. Why are you wasting your, and our, time with nonsense?

The issue is - why did Ms Jean apply for French citizenship. I'll maintain that zipping through European customs is simply an insufficient reason, for the simple reason that the customs clearance in Europe is fast and efficient. I, like you, can only refer to my own experience. My experience is over the past 15 or so years, with up to 8 trips a year. Always the same - fast and efficient. The hold-ups are coming back to Canada.

So, according to you, anyone who doesn't have a dual passport today is 'a sucker', someone who merits your contempt. What a smug and sanctimonious attitude.

I'm a bit old-fashioned. I think that if I have a passport, it implies citizenship,and citizenship doesn't mean just its use as a 'slick tactic' to get past immigration. I think that citizenship means more than that. It implies both expectations of services and responsibilities as a citizen. So, I'll think very carefully about what I would expect from the 'other country' and also, very importantly, what that 'other country' should expect from me.

So- no. Obtaining a passport only as a 'slick past immigration' tactic is, to me, irresponsible. You are forgetting the duties of citizenship.

Posted by: ET | 2005-09-26 2:18:14 PM


As to swearing on the bible, it shouldn't be done by a believer anymore than by an atheist.

Matthew Chapter 5: verses
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, SWEAR NOT AT ALL; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: FOR WHATSOEVER IS MORE THAN THESE COMETH OF EVIL.(emphasis mine)

It is enough for anyone to affirm that they will be truthful and carry out their duty.

Posted by: Speller | 2005-09-26 2:42:26 PM


As to swearing on the bible, it shouldn't be done by a believer anymore than by an atheist.

Matthew Chapter 5: verses
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, SWEAR NOT AT ALL; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: FOR WHATSOEVER IS MORE THAN THESE COMETH OF EVIL.(emphasis mine)

It is enough for anyone to affirm that they will be truthful and carry out their duty.

Posted by: Speller | 2005-09-26 2:44:18 PM


Listen to the Heroes: resist the siren call of Power. Strength is needed to resist. Will Canadians find the strength to resist?>>>


ET at 9:22:17 AM above:
"Remember that everything done by the Liberal Party has only ONE agenda: Power."

Wretchard and Tolkien on Power:

"Fabio,

This goes to the heart of the problem: we are obsessed with negating our humanity, whether by wiping ourselves off the planet, melding with machinery, or transforming ourselves by social engineering into the New Man. It's the lure of power. I used to wonder why Tolkien described the slaves of power as being "eaten up by it". People, animals and the earth itself were distorted by power in Tolkien's universe, which although it starts as a means, elevates itself to an end -- the only end. It's heroes are those with the strength to reject it.

Galadriel fades and Aragorn holds fast to the Gift of Men, which Arwen at first does not understand, but in the end she does: "the hour is indeed hard, yet it was made even in that day when we met under the white birches in the garden of Elrond where none now walk. And on the hill of Cerin Amroth when we forsook both the Shadow and the Twilight this doom we accepted. ... Nay, lady, I am the last of the Numenoreans and the latest King of the Elder Days ... now, therefore, I will sleep."

3:09 AM
belmont club

Posted by: maz2 | 2005-09-26 3:17:00 PM


I just tuned into a brief few minutes of CTV with Mike Duffy and tuned out very rapidly. Consider CTV as, now, the MSM television arm of the Liberal Party. They already have the G&M and Toronto Star. But CTV is their private TV station. They are in full election mode - and are openly stating this.

However, the Mantra, and we are going to hear it repeated constantly, is, of a Shy Maiden.

1) The Liberals are going to maintain that they do not want a fall election. They want to Keep Their Promise (ahh, the integrity) to Canadians to only call an election "30 days after the 2nd Gomery Report".

Hey wait - this '2nd Gomery Report" verbiage is NEW. Martin simply said '30 days after The Gomery Report'. He didn't specify that it was the 2nd one, which is the non-hot-topics report.

2)They are claiming, openly, that the Conservatives DO want an election. The reason? The dissidents in the CPC, and Duffy presents them as 'many' who want to get rid of Harper, are shouting and shrieking. So, to keep them quiet, the CPC want a fall election. That's the reason for the fall election!

So- if there's a fall election, the Liberals are going to blame the CPC. They'll claim that the CPC are preventing the 'governing party' from 'carrying out the wishes of Canadians' . The arrogance - to consider that a party representing only 34% of Canadians can state that it alone represents the 'wishes of Canadians'.
At any rate, the CPC will be set up as wanting an election, a wasteful election that no-one wants, simply to deal with their internal problems which are all about how useless their party is, about the 'lack of leadership' and the 'Evil Harper'...
That will be a heavy theme in the campaign.

Now, watch the Liberals, who are the ones who actually DO want a fall election - watch them set it up and then, instantly transform themselves into victims of the CPC dissidents-who-want-Harper-out.

It's quite something to watch. Who is there to counter this pack of lies with the truth?

Posted by: ET | 2005-09-26 3:43:45 PM


“They’ll have to do something for Ontario …”
Scott says they are planning to build a big ‘ol pipeline from Deputy PM Landslide Annie’s riding straight into the 905 area code (the Librano$ have already locked up 416)"

I said no such thing.

Will she confirm or deny that she's an FLQ symapthizer? Well is it wrong if she did? The FLQ were definitely criminals, but to call them terrorists gives the crimes of the reactionary Trudeauist regime legitimacy. The real terrorist was Pierre Augusto Pinochet Trudeau, who suspended ALL human rights to wage a personal vendetta against the killers of his childhood friend Pierre Laporte, only to let them go. He, and those remaining from the 1970 cabinet, should be charged with crimes against humanity and jailed.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-09-26 4:52:49 PM


no harm meant Scott

Posted by: nomdenet | 2005-09-26 5:50:13 PM


GG Addy Clarkson, soon to be ex-GG, aka Queen Marie of Rumania, Paris, 1919! Count the silverware before she leaves Rideau Hall!!>>>more

Adrienne Clarkson plays Governor General role to the very end
OTTAWA (CP) - Adrienne Clarkson maintained her high-profile occupancy of Rideau Hall to the end, holding official functions Monday afternoon and planning to break a century-old tradition Tuesday by attending the investiture of her vice-regal successor.>>>>> canoenews

Posted by: maz2 | 2005-09-26 6:57:49 PM


The FLQ with all their little commie cells never amounted to more than 200 people. The War Measure Act declared, over 6000 Quebecers were imprisoned and interogated without legal consel or charges by the RCMP. Afterwards the RCMP infiltrated and destroyed the Waffles Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_for_an_Independent_Socialist_Canada

Fast forward to 1978 and the McDonald Commission on the abuse of Security Powers by the RCMP.

The RCMP infiltrated and destroyed the Waffle Party as well as intimidating Quebecers dueting the 'October Crisis' of 1970.

"To say that the Security Service must need the power to engage in unauthorized or illegal acts because they did these things in the past is clearly to argue the wrong way round. The fact that it was done is not a justification; past mistakes are not legitimized by repetition."

From this reference:

Posted by: Speller | 2005-09-26 7:14:06 PM


The FLQ with all their little commie cells never amounted to more than 200 people. The War Measure Act declared, over 6000 Quebecers were imprisoned and interogated without legal counsel or charges by the RCMP. Afterwards the RCMP infiltrated and destroyed the Waffle Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_for_an_Independent_Socialist_Canada

Fast forward to 1978 and the McDonald Commission on the abuse of Security Powers by the RCMP.

The RCMP infiltrated and destroyed the Waffle Party as well as intimidating Quebecers during the 'October Crisis' of 1970.

"To say that the Security Service must need the power to engage in unauthorized or illegal acts because they did these things in the past is clearly to argue the wrong way round. The fact that it was done is not a justification; past mistakes are not legitimized by repetition."

From this reference: http://www.bccla.org/positions/police/78rcmp.html

The upshot is the longtime political corruption of the RCMP by the Liberal Party of Canada has been institutionalized.

Posted by: Speller | 2005-09-26 7:26:32 PM


Scott and Speller: I fear you have lost touch with reality. The FLQ bombed and maimed and killed people. Trudeau did not. Speller's War Measures Act figures are ludicrous:

"By the end of the year, 468 will have been arrested. Eventually 408 will be released without charges being laid; only two people were sentenced."
http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/chronos/october.htm

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2005-09-27 6:32:53 AM


Mark: like I said, the FLQ were up to no good, committing numerous criminal acts that had to be brought to justice. But to call them terrorists distorts the true picture. For violating human rights with the War Measures Act, Pierre the Terrible commited true terrorist acts. Hundreds of people rounded up at gunpoint and thrown into camps with no legal rights at all. It was unnecessarily harsh, and if it were done today it would bring charges of Crimes against Humanity on to the government.

The worst crimes man has committed against man are the ones with legal sanction. If Pinochet can be brought to trial, so can Trudeau.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-09-27 7:06:33 AM


One last thing: what makes you think people have to die to make it a serious crime? Depriving them of their human rights is enough.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-09-27 7:09:10 AM


Scott: There were no "camps". Read the history before you rant. The FLQ were in fact terrorists by any definition.

With regard to Trudeau, are you proposing bringing a dead person to trial?

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2005-09-27 10:39:24 AM


There may have been no 'camps' in the traditional sense, but there were jails and that's good enough for me.

But where these prisoners are held isn't the point - the suspension of all human rights during this "Crisis" is. There was never any justification for this action, and those responsible should be brought to justice.

I wonder sometimes if Ontarians value human life. With Apartheid being implemented soon, who can tell? Ontario is like the bizarro world from the old Superman comics - just the opposite of the real world.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-09-27 7:02:57 PM


I'm with you Scott. I think the whole crisis was manufactured by the socialist elitist, P. Trudeau, to enhance his own power. A few seedy rebels were 'set - up' so he could use the War Measures Act. He could have let Quebec go their own way with the blessings of Western Canada but instead he had to try to pull a "Stalin" and some fools all accross Canada percieved this action as that of a great leader. Never forget that the majority of 'French' people in Quebec are from Ireland and they have a natural affinity for independance. 98% of the people in Quebec that immigrated from France came here before the French Revolution -1779 - these people were mostly farmers and 'cours de bois' so they too, have a natural affinity for independance. Trudeau gave us all a dependance mentality and if we are to keep our Liberty we have to shake it off. BTW some 'soviets' still think Lenin and Stalin were great leaders who helped the 'people'.

Posted by: jema54 | 2005-09-28 9:14:41 AM


This thread is a crime against history, with an affinity for the silly.

"The whole crisis was manufactured by the socialist elite"?

Your tinfoil hat feeling a bit tight?

Posted by: non-sucker | 2005-09-28 11:03:19 AM


So sorry to read so much negativity here.
We have a great country and much to be thankful for on the eve of our Thanksgiving Weekend ! Our leaders have never been perfect ....but where else would you like to like to live ? Think about that !
Long live Canada and it's new GG also !

Posted by: realrooter | 2005-10-07 5:09:27 PM



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