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Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Coming out of the bigamy closet

From Angry in the Great White North, news about legalized polygamy in the Netherlands:

The Netherlands and Belgium were the first countries to give full marriage rights to homosexuals. In the United States some politicians propose “civil unions” that give homosexual couples the full benefits and responsibilities of marriage. These civil unions differ from marriage only in name.

Meanwhile in the Netherlands polygamy has been legalised in all but name. Last Friday the first civil union of three partners was registered. Victor de Bruijn (46) from Roosendaal “married” both Biance (31) and Mirjam (35) in a ceremony before a notary who duly registered their civil union.

Angry poses the question: is this really a polygamous relationship, legally, or just a case of a bigamist being tolerated by the State?

The difference is important, since as a bigamist, the only legal relationship is between the man and each wife. The wives have no legal relationship to each other, or to each other's children.

In that legal void lurks all sorts of problems.

If Canada starts to tolerate bigamists as a way of allowing polygamy through the back door, it won't be long before the legal problems with that approach will force these people to demand formal recognition and new laws to cover their "lifestyle".

Angry has more analysis.

Now watch as Canada yells "Yippeeee!" as it careens down the slippery slope.

[Cross-posted from small dead animals]

Posted by Steve Janke on September 27, 2005 | Permalink


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So there goes one of your arguments against gay marriage.

Posted by: Justin | 2005-09-27 2:33:28 PM

Actually, the post is about polygamy, of which bigamy is merely one variation.

But to address Justin's typically vacuous contribution, the reference article is about a woman having experienced a once-in-multi-million-times phenonenon by having a baby develop outside the uterus, to which some addled (and probably agenda-driven) "journalist" decided to add his own speculation based on his favourite Schwartzenegger/DeVito movie.

The idea of coming here and stating flatly that "Men can have babies now", on the basis of that story, is pathetic (yet oddly typical).

(Tell you what, Justin - when you come across a verifiable story of a man ovulating and developing Fallopian tubes in his rectum, then we can discuss male pregnancy. Until then, please do us a favour and remain on Planet Zarx.)

Meanwhile, back on topic, I'm actually much less concerned about the legal approval of polygamy (multiple wives) and polyandry (multiple husbands)than I am about the enforcement of queer "marriage".

For one thing, polygamy has a fair bit of historical precedent in various societies through history, where queer "marriage" is a completely modern pathology. (And it [polygamy, that is] has worked quite well in those societies.)

Also, there are (admittedly extreme) circumstances where such a thing might become the norm. To take Justin's science-fiction theme a step further, suppose some weird plague were to wipe out the majority of the men in the world (or women for that matter). Polygamy might be necessary simply to rebuild the population, not to mention maintaining some sort of societal stability.

(On that last note, consider China's massive imbalance in the sexes resulting from the one-child policy and the cultural preference for a first-born son. Thirty million unattached and unattachable twenty-something males is a biiiig problem brewing.)

But as Mark Steyn (among others) has noted, once you remove the one-man-one-woman concept as a criterion as to who can wed whom, then there can be no logical restriction on numbers ... or age, pre-existing relationship, species, you name it.

Funny how when you start down that slope, things just naturally start accelerating ......

Posted by: Doug | 2005-09-27 6:42:18 PM

You guys are the best.
So easy to start you up. Like a mouse to cheese.

Oh and ebt - my previous multiple invitations to a throw-down still stand. Any time you want to back up those pathetic little insults with some real face-to-face then I'm open to it.

- a stupid faggot (but much more of a man than ebt)

Posted by: Justin | 2005-09-27 9:09:07 PM

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