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Monday, March 28, 2005
The Budget, Kyoto, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland & Lab
The Liberals are at it again. At first I thought that they were only trying to sneak their assinine Kyoto plan through the back door by bundling it with the budget vote. Now they have been found out in that they are also tying the payouts of resource income to Newfoundland & Labrador to the same vote. What this does is make Conservatives, who vote against the budget because of the Kyoto implication, responsible for stopping, or least delaying the payments to NS and N&L. Divide and conquer. Liberal spokespeople say they have to link them because the money for NS and N&L has to come from somewhere. That comment confirms for me that they are targetting the people of Alberta again. The carbon taxes they collect from the oil industry in my province will be used to offset the payments to the two easternmost provinces. I, and I am sure most Albertans, do not begrudge the agreed to payments, but we already carry a disproportinate of equalization payments within Canada and will be tapped for more if Ontario's McGuinty is successful in his pleas to Ottawa.
Canada cannot the tolerate strains this government is inflicting on the country. I say Harper should tell the country that the Liberals are the sabre rattlers on this issue , and that he will not flinch even if it provokes an election. He has only to say that NS and N&L will get their pomised payments with the money being taken from pet Liberal programs that are not needed. From my point of view an early election is a small price to pay for ridding the country of this deliberately divisive, deceitful and incompetent government.
Posted by Bob Wood on March 28, 2005 | Permalink
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Total agreement on the election along with everyone I know.This massive corruption and exponential thirst for power has to stop, one way or another.
Posted by: rob | 2005-03-28 8:11:55 PM
So let me get this straight, you enjoy the corruption we live under, or are you benefiting from it?
Two outcomes to an election, conservatives win - lib's exposed, Lib's win - Alberta's gone.
Take your pick, no need to answer, I know you enjoy the down right perverted state of the country were the criminals rule and the ruling party relies on your dependency to feed there corruption.
Posted by: rob | 2005-03-28 10:01:12 PM
Robert McClellan wrote:
"I agree Bob. We should have an election. That way when the liberals are restored to a majority government you rubes might finally realize what a bunch of dead enders you are."
Last election result (from offical Chief Electoral Officer WebSite)
(listed in decreasing order of popularity)
Liberal Party of Canada/Parti libéral du Canada 4,982,220
Conservative Party of Canada/Parti conservateur du Canada 4,019,498
New Democratic Party/Nouveau Parti Démocratique 2,127,403
Bloc Québécois/Bloc Québécois 1,680,109
Green Party of Canada/Le Parti Vert du Canada 582,247
Christian Heritage Party/Parti de l'Héritage
Marijuana Party/Parti Marijuana 33,276
No Affiliation/Aucune appartenance 17,796
Progressive Canadian Party/Parti Progressiste Canadien 10,872
Canadian Action Party/Parti action canadienne 8,807
Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada/Parti Marxiste-Léniniste du Canada 8,696
Communist Party of Canada/Parti communiste du Canada 4,426
Libertarian Party of Canada/Parti Libertarien du Canada 1,949
Let me help acquaint you with the cold hard facts from the last federal election. The Liberals won more seats than the conservatives. The "neocons" scored DEAD LAST. As fascists, they attracted a grand total of 1,949 ALL ACROSS CANADA, and were beaten by all other parties, including the Communists, the Marxists.
By ANY REASONABLE measure, the Libertarians are a "fringe" party of fanatics in Canada. However, they have perverted and harmed the Canadian Conservative Party and they were prominent in corrupting the Progressive Conservative Party of Lyin Brian Mulroney.
If we respected the principle of democracy and assigned seats in the House according to how people across Canada voted for the parties, this would be the result, rounded to the closest seat.
Christian Heritage Party 1
Marijuana Party 1
This would have resulted in a minority government where the Liberals and the NDP would have a total of 161 seats which would have been a governing coalition.
Like I said, the "first past the post system" damages democracy and gives too many seats to conservatives and separtists.
But it also does not give enough seats to the Greens, which should have receieved 13 seats giving them official party status in Ottawa.
So is there anyone left in Canada that believes that "neocons" like Tom Long, Rod Love, Mike Harris, Ralph Klein, Stockwell Day or some others in the right wing fringes, actually have much support from the Libertarians, from the Objectivists (Ayn Rand Party), anarchists, fascists, or other right wing lunatics?
Even in the Bible Belt of Alberta, the fundamentalist Christians could only win one seat.
Nothing more clearly illustrates the differences between Canada and the United States then these official election results.
Posted by: Joe Green | 2005-03-29 12:23:11 AM
Oh yes, one other little detail.
Does anyone know where the Libertarian support really is located in Canada?
Apart from the above three jurisdictions, all other Canadian Provinces did not provide a single vote for the Libertarian Party. I am proud to report that my province is not only rat free, its also Libertarian Free.
The biggest infestation of right wing American Republican "neocons" is in BC, with the second largest outbreak occuring in Ontario.
So Rob, Scott, and the rest of your miserable band of whiners and complainers, how come you did not even stand for office in Alberta? Do you lack the courage of your convictions?
In other words, "cowards?" What the "neocon artists" cannot win fair and square in an honest election, they try to obtain by cheating and subverting a party like the Canadian Conservative Party.
No wonder that Andrew Coyne and his banking family friends are in dispair. No wonder that Diane Francis is besides herself, utterly befuddled by the True North Strong and Free that are simply never going to buy their snake oil.
Posted by: Joe Green | 2005-03-29 12:33:48 AM
Do you get the impression Joe is taking this far too seriously?
Posted by: Scott | 2005-03-29 1:48:22 AM
BobWood: You said:
"That comment confirms for me that they are targetting the people of Alberta again. The carbon taxes they collect from the oil industry in my province will be used to offset the payments to the two easternmost provinces. I, and I am sure most Albertans, do not begrudge the agreed to payments, but we already carry a disproportinate of equalization payments within Canada and will be tapped for more if Ontario's McGuinty is successful in his pleas to Ottawa."
I ask the question: what makes you think that after those carbon taxes are imposed, there will be an Alberta economy left to pay them? It happened in the NEP and it will happen again. Kyoto was a disaster from the start, the Feds knew it, but cannot back down to save face. This is the kind of thing that will push Alberta out of Canada. I can live with that, but I doubt the Federals and their rich friends can.
Posted by: Scott | 2005-03-29 4:47:12 AM
Joe, aka Angus, likes to rattle and distort any position that advance his argument. He probably argues with himself before coming on here...
The so called "neocon" blogs, as Joe puts it, are burning up now, and Joe and Bob could be in for a dissappointment. People are SICK of government invading there lives, which is the underlying difference between lib/ndp, versus Conserv., and want to give big brother the boot out of there homes. This dosen't even facter in the Fraud and Corruption.
Posted by: rob | 2005-03-29 6:49:52 AM
Rob: I personally believe ideology is meaningless now. Albertans vote Conservative because we'd be destroyed if we voted Liberal - the same party of the NEP.
It has now come down to a fight between privileged Ontario and weak Alberta. They have rich, easy lives (supported by an underclass of poor immigrants) and will fight to protect their riches - I can't say that I blame them. However, in Alberta, we have to fight even harder to protect what we have. We have it good in Alberta, and want to keep it that way - but the Feds need Ontario more than they need us, so we get the bill for their luxury.
To cooperate with those people is a crime. We have to stand firm at all costs. We will lose everything if we surrender, but we will keep what we have if we keep fighting. It's a tragedy that a supposedly modern state has to have this eternal battle for basic survival every day. Danny Williams of NF showed us what can be done - just take down their flag and the Feds will knuckle under.
In America, you are equal whether you live in Montana or Massachusetts. In Canada, Ontarians are at the top - everyone else doesn't matter. Please, make us a state as soon as possible! All it requires is learning a new national anthem and adopting a new flag - so long as we can keep our jobs and homes, we'll be happy. Isn't that what life is all about?
Posted by: Scott | 2005-03-29 7:24:21 AM
The Big Lie technique - frequently misattributed to Goebbels - is used constantly by liars; wannabe dictators of the Joe, aka Jaws variety.
They shout, yell, bellow, & etc. hoping to cow people into submission to their lies.
Joe Red-Green has The Answer he yells.
Submit he bellows; Join us or off to the Gulag with you, is his message.
Down with Joe Red-Green and his foul, corrupt message. We shall not submit to your evil doctrine.
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-03-29 9:24:52 AM
maz2 the wounded "neocon" bellows:
"Down with Joe Red-Green and his foul, corrupt message. We shall not submit to your evil doctrine."
Don't shoot the messager, the message is from the Chief Electoral Officer of Canada. Its official, the Libertarian Party of Canada is the least popular Party in Canada. For the entire country, they could only get 1,949 votes.
We already know that "neocon" Libertarians regard democracy as an "evil doctrine". All fascists do.
Still that does not change the fact that Marxists out polled them by a factor of over 4 to 1, and the Communists out polled them more than 2 to 1. The Christian fundamentalists out polled them by more than 20 to 1.
You right wing crazies need therapy. You can begin by learning to respect other people and begin to value the opinions of others that do not agree with you.
And you need to curb your pathological hatred for society and groups of people within it. A course in Socialization 101 would offer immense benefits for your condition.
Posted by: Joe Green | 2005-03-29 10:59:53 AM
"Do you get the impression Joe is taking this far too seriously?"
I do take you crazies seriously. I do believe you that you want to kill Canada as a country. And I will not let that happen. All by myself, I shall stop the Libertarians, all 1,949 of you. Somehow when you look at the raw data stripped of all the PR and hype, it seems a more manageable task. Something like standing up to the Soviet Air Force once you understood that the Bear was a propeller driven bomber.
My strategy is simple. I want you to pursue your American dream and be happy. And I want you to leave us in peace.
Posted by: Joe Green | 2005-03-29 11:07:40 AM
Precious little of your diatribes warrants response, but I just can't let one of your many foibles go without further comment. It's actually a pretty common one among your ilk:
"We already know that "neocon" Libertarians regard democracy as an "evil doctrine". All fascists do." (usually followed by reference to conservatives as "Nazis", "brown-shirts", etc. etc.)
Merriam-Webster defines "fascism" thusly:
1 : a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Hmmm - "centralized autocratic government", "dictatorial leader", "severe economic and social regimentation", "forcible suppression of opposition" - why do these phrases resonate? Ya know, Jooooe, I take it back - I think you're onto something here - the fascists are not only already among us, they're IN CHARGE!!!!
Posted by: firewalls 'r us | 2005-03-29 11:38:13 AM
Red-Green's monomania is showing.
Count the "I"'s in his screed.
Yep, he has The Answer: Joe Stalin's Answer.
Joe Stalin's Answer collapsed in the rubble of the Wall, the Berlin Wall.
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-03-29 11:47:55 AM
Anyone who would confuse libertarians with neo-cons or fascists is unworthy of being taken seriously.
Alberta is less likely to leave confederation than Quebec, even though the former is paying for the privilege of remaining in and the latter obtains quite a sweet deal.
Posted by: lrC | 2005-03-29 2:23:22 PM
Joe(aka anfus) babbled:
"I do believe you that you want to kill Canada as a country."
As long as people that share your views of oppression, and dependency of the masses, the need to rape the people that provide you.....the answer is YES!!!
Posted by: rob | 2005-03-29 3:18:44 PM
"Anyone who would confuse libertarians with neo-cons or fascists is unworthy of being taken seriously."
Call a spade a shovel. The Libertarians are the least popular political party in Canada.
Its official. Canadians do not like Libertarians.
Oh, one other thing. There is no confusion. Libertarians all worship at the Reformed Church of Objectivism where Ayn Rand is the High Priestess. They worship the Babylonian god, Mammon.
In English, Mammon is the god of money.
Apart from that, libertarians are atheists, as is the high priestess herself.
Ayn Rand's favourite position was squirming under Nathaniel Brandon where she would "admire his values".
Posted by: Joe Green | 2005-03-29 4:55:10 PM
"Hmmm - "centralized autocratic government", "dictatorial leader", "severe economic and social regimentation", "forcible suppression of opposition" - why do these phrases resonate? Ya know, Jooooe, I take it back - I think you're onto something here - the fascists are not only already among us, they're IN CHARGE!!!!"
We agree. The "neocon" fascists run the banks, the large public corporations and multinational companies like ENRON and Bre-X that have abused and injured the citizens of Canada, the US and other countries. They run Wall Street and Bay Street as a private club and they expect everyone else to pick up their tab at the bar.
Now they want to take over Parliament and render it as impotent as the US Congress has become where it and the Senate and the President combined still lack the authority and power to reconnect a feeding tube to a disabled adult in Florida.
GE Capital and others like it want money to care for Terri, or else they will put her to death.
What is there about this that you do not understand?
Milton Freedman stated it very clearly, the market is an amoral place. What further proof do you require that what I have been saying is true.
Milton Freedman is the "neocon" that has almost single handedly created a "derrivatives market" for "currency" that can fluctuate more in five minutes than the entire Province of Alberta can output in a month.
He is an equal opportunity looter along with his friend George Soros that funds the other side of this private club of billionares, all fighting over the dubious right to bankrupt the American people.
Freedman and Soros are the Marx and Rand of the financial philosophical world.
Soros for all his preening about supporting the "left" agrees with Freedman that currency speculation is amoral. They should know.
Posted by: Joe Green | 2005-03-29 5:13:03 PM
"We agree. The "neocon" fascists run the banks, the large public corporations and multinational companies like ENRON and Bre-X that have abused and injured the citizens of Canada, the US and other countries. They run Wall Street and Bay Street as a private club and they expect everyone else to pick up their tab at the bar."
I take it totally back about you being just a leftist Joe, your actually a total Marxist Psycho. Your on the completely wrong continent. Move to France....Quick!
Posted by: rob | 2005-03-29 6:07:47 PM
Joe Green wrote:
GE Capital and others like it want money to care for Terri, or else they will put her to death
I said Huh?
Joe Green wrote:
What is there about this that you do not understand
I said Huh?
Joe Green wrote:
Milton Freedman stated it very clearly,the market is an amoral place. What further proof do you require that what I have been saying is true?
I said Huh?
J.G. then wrote:
Freedman and Soros are the Marx and Rand of the financial philosophical world
I said bye bye.
Posted by: mr | 2005-03-29 10:44:30 PM
"J.G. then wrote:
Freedman and Soros are the Marx and Rand of the financial philosophical world
I said bye bye."
President "Give them Hell" Harry Truman said "if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".
Posted by: Joe Green | 2005-03-30 12:09:25 AM
I take it back Joe. Don't try to explain yourself. You ARE a lunatic.
Everyone else, ignore Joe GRRRRReen. Let's exchange views that are sane and worthy of debate.
Posted by: Jack | 2005-03-30 12:31:06 AM
J.G. wrote: President "Give them Hell" Harry Truman said "if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".
So I'm standing in my kitchen searching for the aluminum (tin) foil pondering an early election call when a chill comes over me - J.G. is right - those Libertarians (all 1,949 of them) don't give a shit about Terri - they're all over at the Church of Objectivism watching Ayn Rand squirming under Nathaniel Brandon - - Bastards -I'm with you J.G. - we must defeat/fight with all our strength these "Fifth Columnists" - now back to that early election thing bye bye
Posted by: mr | 2005-03-30 7:30:16 AM
Joe Green: Nothing more clearly illustrates the differences between Canada and the United States then these official election results.
How ya feeling about that today, Joe?
Posted by: mikem | 2006-01-23 3:15:36 PM
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