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Thursday, March 31, 2005

Hypocrisy watch

From the CP story on the a human rights complaint being filed against Calgary Bishop Fred Henry:

Stephen Lock, regional director of Egale Canada, a gay rights lobby group, said he doesn't dispute that Henry has an obligation to represent the views of his church, including on same-sex marriage. But Lock said lumping homosexuality in with things like pornography and prostitution is going too far. "When anyone starts calling for the coercive power of the State to suppress or curtail any legal activity, that's really oppressive to be saying stuff like that," Lock said.

And what about the oppression of using human rights tribunals to punish or, at the very least, attempt to silence, oh, I don't know,  a bishop who speaks out against homosexuality?

There are some good comments to the post on this issue yesterday. I especially liked Doug's suggestion:

"... simply treat every HR complaint as an HR violation itself. And in this case, it certainly is. The purpose of the complaint in this case is quite clearly to suppress public debate by terrorizing citizens into silence with the threat of legal consequences for holding and expressing unauthorized opinions."

I've had related discussions with conservatives about the tactic of using human rights commissions against illiberal liberals for borderline hate speech against people of faith and the like. Some people really like the idea of using this apparatus of the Left against itself and others (including myself) don't want to lend such institutions and processes any credence. That said, I'm open to being convinced that there will be a time for a tactical shift.

Posted by Paul Tuns on March 31, 2005 in Current Affairs | Permalink


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Robert wrote:

In short, how about you all just grow up and start acting like rational, civilized human beings with a different point of view instead of acting like a verbally abusive children.

Then Robert wrote:

But seriously, can we get some medical experts in here to determine whether or not the right whingers are in a permanent vegetative state and if so, can we have their feeding tubes removed? It would after all, be the humane thing to do.
Happy thoughts to you.

I wrote: Bobby, I'll have to seriously ponder your advice, it seems like it is cogent and well laid out. Happy thoughts to you as well. Bye Bye.

Posted by: mr | 2005-03-31 6:03:35 PM

So lumping homosexuality in with adultery and other sins is a human rights violation? Hmm...I guess St. Paul's letter to the Corinthians is enough to get the Holy Bible banned nation-wide.

"Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves - non of these will possess God's Kingdom"

Hate literature, don't you think? Ban it and burn it.

Robert, you completely miss the point here. This is about freedom of speech. You should defend the speech rights of Bishop Henry, Ernst Zundel, Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore, and yes, even Avi Lewis (darn).

Posted by: Michael Dabioch | 2005-03-31 7:30:59 PM

I agree with you Robert. I work hard to refer to Bishop Henry as a socail conservative Christian, But I have to say he really makes it hard to do so. When he says I am going to cause the end of family he is pushing it. My family is just as valuable as his or anyone elses. My three hetero children survived gay parents and all are doing well.

His attack on gays is also attack on out families, our children, parents, brothers, sisters to name a few.

Posted by: Rick Barnes | 2005-03-31 11:13:55 PM

>But Lock said lumping homosexuality in with things like pornography and prostitution is going too far

Pornography is legal and people including Libby Davies are working on legalizing the negotiations side of prostitution. What's the beef?

Posted by: lrC | 2005-04-01 12:27:53 AM

Rick wrote:

His attack on gays is also attack on out families, our children, parents, brothers, sisters, to name a few.

I wrote: I don't like to see an attack on out families either - another cogent and well laid out comment - must ponder Happy thoughts to you - bye bye.

Posted by: mr | 2005-04-01 7:09:32 AM

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