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Friday, December 24, 2004

We, The Undersigned

"The Maple Leaf is the flag of all Canadians including every single Newfoundlander and Labradorian. It should not be treated as a tool for partisan politics."
Danny Williams Canadian Flag Petition is here.

Posted by Kate McMillan on December 24, 2004 in Canadian Politics | Permalink

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I like Kate's idea.

My comment, though, is on how silly the premier's protest is. If he is really upset, he should be quiet as he prepares contingency plans for an independent Newfoundland.

Perhaps playing the "Quebec card" is the only thing that will make Ottawa bend a bit.

Posted by: Rick Hiebert | 2004-12-24 7:10:06 AM


I support Premier Williams' stand against federal/corporate greed. If CEO Martin of Canada Inc refuses to live up to his promises (okay, I admit we should have seen that one coming a mile away) then he should bear the consequences. Energy revenues are NOT federal territory and they should keep their greedy hands off them. They are Newfoundland's God given human right, and if they have to secede to protect them, then so be it.

All "provinces" should refuse to display the corporate flag until the federals and their Ontario backers smarten the hell up and leave them in peace. Canada will never be a united country until all are equal. Alberta in particular should remove that flag and symbols of monarchy until our grievances are redressed.

Why was there no outcry when Quebec refused to display the federal flag in years back?

You know what - to hell with Canada. Alberta should apply for statehood. Better to be 1 of 51 than 0. Raise the Stars and Stripes and put pictures of President Bush around Alberta - the federals, the CBC and the Toronto Star crowd would love that!

Posted by: Scott | 2004-12-24 7:36:13 AM


Yes Kate, perhaps I do agree with you that the flag is being used as a political tool in this instance. It reminds me of how many times the Liberals have cloaked the red and white around themselves in the Can-bec debate. Is not Mr. Williams move much the same thing?
Regardless, this Can-found issue is about keeping what rightfully yours. In that respect how would you compare the flag as tool in this debate to the tired old Can-bec situation of extorting more from Canada by raising the blue and white over every household in Quebec?
Never-the-less Mr. Williams just played his first solid trump card. It certainly must have raised an eyebrow on the Prime Minister in realization Mr. Williams understands the rules of engangement very well. Your play Mr. Prime Minister!

Posted by: Lyle | 2004-12-24 7:50:36 AM


With all due respect folks, Danny Williams is correct in bringing to Canadians attention Newfoundlands fight with the feds. Paul Martin and his Liberals are pervaricators and cannot be trusted.
Newfounlanders are entitled to their resources just as Albertans are, nothing less.
And insofar as flags are concerned, Paul Martin was quite happy to fly foreign flags on his ships, saving him tax dollars, by dodging Canada's high tax rate.
Good on you Danny Williams, hold fast , I am with you.
Joseph Molnar

Posted by: Joseph Molnar | 2004-12-24 7:53:11 AM


With all due respect folks, Danny Williams is correct in bringing to Canadians attention Newfoundlands fight with the feds. Paul Martin and his Liberals are pervaricators and cannot be trusted.
Newfounlanders are entitled to their resources just as Albertans are, nothing less.
And insofar as flags are concerned, Paul Martin was quite happy to fly foreign flags on his ships, saving him tax dollars, by dodging Canada's high tax rate.
Good on you Danny Williams, hold fast , I am with you.
Joseph Molnar

Posted by: Joseph Molnar | 2004-12-24 7:53:11 AM


It's a Liberal rag, and like all patriotic symbols it is the last refuge of scoundrels.

You would think that the wealth of Canada belongs to the government or something.

Would you care if the Rock Machine refused to display the Hells Angels colours in a dispute over the control of hookers and cocaine distribution?

Posted by: Justzumgai | 2004-12-24 8:18:33 AM


I think Premier Williams went too far on this one. Our flag is not a Liberal symbol, it is everyones. I have no problem with Premier Williams making sure PM Martin keeps his word but certain lines should not be crossed.

Posted by: Greg Staples | 2004-12-24 8:27:04 AM


The MSM carried photos of PM PM clutching the flag at his first swearing-in ceremony after ex-PM you-know-who left. Williams has hit PM PM in the gut, so to speak. How will PM PM respond? When will PM PM respond? Where is Williams going with this?

Will we hear from Charest? From Duceppe? From Harper?
Is this much ado about nothing?

P.S. Will Judy Sgro resign?

Posted by: gg | 2004-12-24 8:30:55 AM


"P.S. Will Judy Sgro resign?"

"Carthage must be destroyed," gg?

Posted by: The Shamir Worm | 2004-12-24 8:51:56 AM


If you believe that the country should be free, then it is a matter of personal choice whether to fly a flag or not. You may think it is "everybody's" flag, but "everybody" doesn't have to fly it. If you try to compell or shame someone into flying it, then it doesn't really stand for what you think it does. The fact that some people think that the flag must be flown on "public" property only highlights the fact that too much property in Canada is "public" and as such is the domain of greedy and power-hungry demagogues.

Too much of the history of Newfoundland in Canada has been about bribes, dependence, whining, threats, waste, corruption, and squandered human resources. Think of the Labrador border dispute, the Newfie Bullet, Churchill Falls, native villages, UI/EI, the destruction of the cod fishery and the TAGS program, etc. ad nauseum. If Newfoundlanders would put their faith in their own brains and talent instead of into self-important political windbags, then it would hardly be an issue who flies which government's logo on which flagpoles - everyone would be far too busy living their lives and taking care of their own businesses and families. And doing it a lot better than any politician could do it for them.

Posted by: Justzumgai | 2004-12-24 9:05:22 AM


I fully support Danny Williams. Paul Martin wasnt thinking about the Canadian flag during the election when he promised oil revenues to Nfld and didnt mention a clawback on equalization. The unity symbol of the flag certainly wasn't present during the campaign when he accused Ralph Klein and Stephen Harper of trying to destroy medicare, meanwhile Quebec's private clinics were prospering. How about a Canadian Wheat Board that only imposes rules on Western Canada but not Ontario or Quebec, or Kyoto that will exempt the Ontario auto industry but not the Alberta energy sector, or the Alberta senate election, if Quebec elected senators would Ottawa ignore them??
If Paul Martin can ignore the flag when it comes to the bottom line of his shipping company who is he to complain when someone else does it. Danny give Ralph a call.

Posted by: MikeP | 2004-12-24 9:35:42 AM


Good for Danny! About time Atlantic Canada sees the Ontario Maple Leave flag for what it is. Bring back Red Ensign. Keep it up Newfoundland. Expose Liberal bigotry. Let every insulting "Danny Millions" remind you of the bigotry the Liberals need to create in this country so they can continue to get voted in.

Funny how the Liberal's media supporters call Danny Williams, "Danny Millions". But don't call multi-millionaire rumored drug runner), Paul Martin any nicknames that insult his income. Danny didn't win a lottery. He worked hard and made it.

Posted by: Edm Ab | 2004-12-24 11:49:15 AM


Good grief ... typical lite-republican-i-despise-this-country-and-wish-it-were-the-United-States-which-is-why-i-read-the-National-Post foolishness. It's such an ideological knee-jerk position you guys don't even think it through anymore. Consider:

You ... the very same people who at every turn piss and moan about how you wish we were more like the US ... are actually defending the decision of one part of the country NOT to fly the national flag. Not only would that never happen in the good ole U.S.OF.A -- but if for some reason one of their politicians could suspend their belief in the Great Murican Mythos for a moment and make such a protest -- Williams would have been a bullet-riddled corpse before the corner of the flag touched the ground.

This country works because for decades, Ontario has shouldered more than its fair share of equalization payments. Alberta came to the game later and has been doing its share, too. Now Newfoundland is a player and it's time to ante up. That's only fair. If they'd discovered ... oh, i dunno ... Golden Fish in the Bay of Fundy ... you guys would be demanding Danny's head. But because it's OIL revenue, you suddenly feel empathy for the people Stevie "Man Boobs" Harper once called "defeatist." I mean, really.

If there's anyone with a legitimate grudge in all of this, it's the Ontarians you guys so like to bash -- who never make a peep about sending out way more tax revenue to the "have nots" than we get. We do so because our heads aren't up our asses and know that what's good for one part of the country is good for all of us.

The west really is an "alien nation" if you "have not" picked up on all of this yet. Now stop your damn whining. You don't like the Liberal government? Don't elect a Conservative Leader who has less charisma than a ball of dryer lint. Don't like the small-l liberal ethos that seems to dominate the country? Move to Kentucky or Montana. Don't let the door hit you on your big fat asses on the way out.

Posted by: Typical Right Wing Hackery | 2005-01-06 6:59:14 PM


"The west really is an "alien nation" if you "have not" picked up on all of this yet. Now stop your damn whining. You don't like the Liberal government? Don't elect a Conservative Leader who has less charisma than a ball of dryer lint. Don't like the small-l liberal ethos that seems to dominate the country? Move to Kentucky or Montana. Don't let the door hit you on your big fat asses on the way out."

Wow, I think he's nailed it, Norm. Now remind us again what remaining vestiges of conservatism we're to jettison to woo the likes of Mr. Hackery over to our side so we can finally prevail electorally. Or maybe he and his ilk will be appeased if we can cajole Joe into being our leader again - I seem to recall they were quite fond of him, as evidenced by vast number of PC candidates elected on his coattails.

Note to Mr. Hackery - it's big fat HALF-ass to you, moron.

Posted by: firewalls 'r us | 2005-01-07 9:08:02 AM


P.S.

I knew the tsunami was pretty powerful, but I had no clue it moved the Bay of Fundy to Newfoundland.

Posted by: firewalls 'r us | 2005-01-07 9:12:34 AM


Holy crap, Firewall -- you're a westerner who knows where the Bay of Fundy is! It's like meeting a talking horse or leprechaun or a conservative with a social conscience.

As for jettisoning vestiges of conservatism -- maybe you didn't hear me right: find yourself a leader who doesn't make audiences long for the edge-of-their-seat excitement of a quilting bee. Someone with more charisma then Ben Stein. Someone more like Mulroney or Dief and less like, well, a soulless policy wonk badly in need of some over-the-shoulder support. And slag your fellow westerner Clark all you want -- he actually got to sit inthe Big Boy Chair for a few weeks. Preston, Stock and Stevie have all flamed out.

Posted by: Typical Right Wing Hackery | 2005-02-12 7:25:24 AM



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