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Friday, July 30, 2004
From our bulging What Liberal Media? file
I have such trouble keeping up, don't you? One minute the Pope is "frail" and "ailing." Then today he suddenly "hits out" at "feminist radicals"! Gotta watch those crazy old men every second, I tell ya!
And what's worse, the document was signed by "the Church's powerful doctrinal enforcer Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger"! "Ya got a nice little Women's Studies Centre here, lady. Be a shame if somethin' wuz ta... happen to it..."
Among the pope's clearly insane, controversial ideas: women who work outside the home should "not have to choose between relinquishing their family life or enduring continual stress, with negative consequences for one's own equilibrium and the harmony of the family".
Help! These cold kitchen tiles are freezing my bare pregnant feet!
Mark Shea, long time observer of papal "crack downs" and other journalistic cliches, sighs: "So much media coverage of the Church just makes people stupider..."
Posted by Kathy Shaidle on July 30, 2004 in Religion | Permalink
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The Pope said nothing wrong. What is so insane about talking for family, children, and women's ability to take care of her family at home?
Do you have any children?
Are you married?
Do you want to do either
Doesn't sound like it to me.
Posted by: Mandy | 2004-07-30 4:02:54 PM
The Pope said nothing wrong. What is so insane about talking for family, children, and women's ability to take care of her family at home?
Do you have any children?
Are you married?
Do you want to do either?
Doesn't sound like it to me.
Posted by: Mandy | 2004-07-30 4:03:21 PM
Hey Mandy.. 'wrong' is subjective. But anyhow, if you read the article that was linked, you would find this:
"Women who work at home should not be "stigmatized by society or penalized financially," the document says.
But it adds that women who work outside the home should "not have to choose between relinquishing their family life or enduring continual stress, with negative consequences for one's own equilibrium and the harmony of the family."
What do you suggest the Pope means by that? As in reality. What exactly is 'harmony of the family'?
And.. do you not see that possibly, it's ok for a man to endure continual stress but not for a woman? Doesn't that seem as if the Pope is saying women might not be able to endure this?
Posted by: Ian Scott | 2004-07-30 11:27:52 PM
Mandy, I take it your sarcasm detector is out being serviced. Sheesh, lighten up. And don't be so defensive.
Posted by: Kathy | 2004-07-31 6:24:47 AM
Kathy,
Unfortunately I see no sarcasm here. Perhaps Freud can do a better detection of your hidden fears.
It is the same with the ever-popular Anne Kingston's "The meaning of wife".
Both of you appear to uphold this term, but quietly degrade it at the same time.
Men and women are different.
Women are the emotional keepers of the family. Perhaps it means we have to suffer a little more. Let our men go out and do the adventure, while we work at our 'mundane' (please note the sarcasm) jobs of keeping the family happy.
Until women, pro, post, non, feminists realize this, the family is gone.
Kathy, I have no concerns with your exciting media job. It probably, to you, does not compare with the vital job as a mother and wife.
You can't have it both ways, though. Manly excitement, and wifely duties.
Mr. Scott,
Harmony in a family means a woman who is happy to be 'second' place to her husband. But first place to her family. That is the reality. Otherwise you're talking about divorce.
My humble opinion is that:
A man feels less stress when he's out there earning the keep for his family.
A woman fells less stress when she's keeping the house happy for her family.
These two roles don't overlap, on average.
Posted by: Mandy | 2004-07-31 9:40:22 AM
If the POPE can't criticize feminism, who can? Not only can't those zealot be anything other than coersively totalitarian, they STILL can't take a joke... Say, like this one:
Q.: How many trotskyite feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
A.: That's NOT funny!
(I cribbed that one from Mark Steyn.)
Posted by: Joe | 2004-07-31 10:59:04 AM
But Kathy, I though * you * the Church's powerful doctrinal enforcer! :)
Posted by: Ghost of a flea | 2004-07-31 11:16:22 AM
"Harmony in a family means a woman who is happy to be 'second' place to her husband."
YUCK! I have zero attraction to women who feel they are 'second' place.
"But first place to her family. That is the reality. Otherwise you're talking about divorce."
It might be the reality in your family. But not all families, Mandy.
Posted by: Ian Scott | 2004-07-31 2:16:03 PM
I see your point about the media giving the "Stephen Harper treatment" to any point of view they consider at odds with what Thomas Sowell calls "the vision of the anointed", but before you step up to defend the Pope's opinion on anything, think back to what you thought of the Vatican's opposition to the Iraq war, and its pandering to murderers like Tariq Aziz, Yasser Arafat, and their ilk.
It's reasonable to say that the traditional family is one of those institutions that has nurtured our civilization, and on that basis -- reason -- I can agree with this one man on this one point.
Posted by: surly | 2004-07-31 6:52:17 PM
Mandy: if you are an advertisement for the mental capacity of a married woman with children, perhaps I should be glad I chose the opposite road...
Look at your defensive jealousy, your use of words like "exciting media job" and your nasty remarks about Freud (whose work has been pretty much discredited by the way). What an embittered woman you seem to be. You've managed to misinterpret my entire post, because you're seeing it through the lenses of your own slow simmering resentment about who knows what.
Allow me to volley your patronizing, ignorant tone right back at you:
I'll pray for you, dear...
Posted by: Kathy | 2004-08-01 9:34:47 AM
By the way, Surly, I've publically criticized the Pope's opposition to the war (which I see as part of the Vatican's eurotrash knee-jerk anti-Americanism) and the Vatican's embrace of the people mentioned above. As have many other Catholics. We aren't the robots so many people suspect. (Except for SOME people...)
Posted by: Kathy | 2004-08-01 9:37:53 AM
"opposite road..." to marriage and children?
BINGO!
My little Freudian analysis of your rather hysterical post was right on!!!!
Down with womanhood, down with children, down with family, down with Canada, eh? (hidden in there - down with men, but I wont go there).
All the best to you. But woe is Canada.
Thank you, and goodnight.
Posted by: Mandy | 2004-08-01 6:54:02 PM
I'm sorry, Mandy, but as far as I can tell, you did completely misinterpret Kathy's post, sarcasm and all. Thank you and goodnight.
Posted by: rick mcginnis | 2004-08-01 9:46:47 PM
For Mandy's sake I just hope that *she's* being sarcastic!
Posted by: Joe | 2004-08-02 11:41:23 AM
Kathy's post was indeed sarcastic. In defence of Mandy, however, "wrong" is not subjective unless you're a moral relativist which Mandy clearly is not, and for that she has my backing.
Posted by: Michael Dabioch | 2004-08-02 2:38:16 PM
Remind me never again to try to defend stay-at-home moms. Clearly at least one of them is too dumb to know who her friends are. What a braindead buffoon. Go back to your Saran Wrap, Mandy. (I'll give you a bit of credit and assume you can at least recognize THAT non-Barney reference.)
Posted by: Kathy | 2004-08-02 5:50:52 PM
"Help! These cold kitchen tiles are freezing my bare pregnant feet!"
I find that linoleum or vinyl is a good cure for that. That and paying the heating bill on time.
:-)
Posted by: Hal Duston | 2004-08-02 8:39:32 PM
Hal.. paying the heating bill is good, but I'd think a woman pregnant and in the kitchen, because she's off work, would appreciate a man to rub her feet for her too. You know.. one of those men that wouldn't look at her as 'second place'. One of those men that loved/liked her regardless of how often she got on her knees.. all good men will get on their knees too from time to time :)
Posted by: Ian Scott | 2004-08-03 1:27:34 AM
Ian Scott: Yeah, my wife has been "off work" since 1991 and now having seen a number of pregnancies to their proper conclusition we have a number of other "assistants" for the daily chores. Granted with a smaller number of "assistants" the number of chores would also be greatly reduced, but still. Myself, I'm the official "floor scrubber" at our home, which involves being on the knees, so there ya go.
Posted by: Hal Duston | 2004-08-03 10:24:22 AM
LOL, Hal! Well, good for you and your wife, and creating all those assistants to help out. And you, gettin' on your knees. I bet those floors are sparkling clean.
Posted by: Ian Scott | 2004-08-03 11:45:21 PM
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