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Saturday, September 06, 2008
NDP launches colourful attack ad against Stephen Harper
That's right, colourful--the new attack ad from the NDP is really good at using dark red and blue, and lovely orange as their back drop in the following attack ad (also, check out the not-too-subtle use of stars, alluding to America, when they mention "50 billion in corporate tax cuts." Really, are we not sick of anti-Americanism already? Or will this be the NDP platform? Again.):
The ad, overall, is pretty effective. But let me just go ahead and express my fury with the ridiculous efforts by the NDP to sink deep into the swamp and perpetuate the stupid, ignorant, and indecent hatred of all things American.
I get it already, Jack Layton and the Canadian Pompous Brigade. You hate Americans. And all Americans are the worst of the worst. Check and check.
But let's be serious for a moment. This kind of hatred for our neighbours to the south is unbecoming, beyond the pale, and, frankly, both indecent and should be unacceptable.
I've been living in the U.S. (in Ohio) for about the past four years working towards a PhD. While here, I've had the privilege of being an instructor for Canadian Studies at Bowling Green State University. The Introduction to Canadian Studies course draws approximately 400 students every year. It is that popular.
When I explained to my students how unpopular all things American were in Canada, they were genuinely crest-fallen. Throughout the course, all my students expressed were an interest in Canada (not so passionate at first, but many became much more interested), and how much they loved Canada and Canadians.
I told them the story of Canada's health care system, and how the opposition used "American-style" health care as their intellectually dishonest (which it is, by the way, since the Chaoulli decision in the Supreme Court was all about a European-style health care vs. what was Canada's purely gov-run insurance system) "argument." I played Rick Mercer's very clever "Talking to Americans" skit. I also gave them a taste of anti-Americanism through several political speeches and debates. You should have seen them. I wish Jack Layton would have seen them.
"Why do Canadians hate us so much?"
Why indeed.
Dear Jack Layton and the hate America crowd:
Grow the fuck up. You are embarrassing me and other decent Canadians who don't hate on 300+ million people just because they don't agree with you on the glories of socialism. Practice the tolerance and acceptance of different opinions that you occasionally preach.
That is all.
Hugs and smooches,
Jaws.
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Good post Jaws. I couldn't agree more with your note to Jackal.
I had the privilege of living In Cleveland Ohio from about 1966 to 1974. I kinda grew up there. I also spent a couple of year before that traveling all over the USA in a rock band.
I feel that I am actually an American who happens to now be trapped in Canada.
I understand the American psyche and share it. Canadians have no idea what they are truly all about and never will. You need to live there for a long time and become best friends with Americans. Pay attention to their attitudes and ways of dealing with life. It's different but not alien. I remember back in the 50s there was not much difference between Canadians and Americans. Pierre the commie changed that.
Many Canadians, particularly in Central Canada make me ashamed to be Canadian. Some of my American friends who pay attention to Canada just shake their heads in disbelief. They just don't know what it is they could possibly have done to the average Canadian to earn such contempt.
Neither do I.
Posted by: John V | 2008-09-06 6:16:40 PM
The "5 million Canadians who can't find a family doctor" are probably people who answered a poorly worded questionaire. Lots of people have no family doctor because they aren't in the habit of being sick. I had no "family doctor" for most of my life.
Posted by: dp | 2008-09-06 6:22:23 PM
After seeing our Canadian troops fighting alongside American troops in Afghanistan, I sort of assumed Americans are on our side. Call me crazy.
Posted by: glen | 2008-09-06 6:29:49 PM
Now, now, Jaws. Catch your breath. Ok? Ok.
You know, it has been a theme among Republicans in the US to try to equate criticisms of American government policy with being unpatriotic. Stephen Colbert has parodied this in the most blunt way possible on his show by asking numerous critics of the Bush administration (usually, but not always, Democrats), "Why do you hate America?" Slowly the US is moving beyond that asinine rhetoric, but it still lingers. There are some who still really believe that criticising the US government is the same as being unpatriotic.
In Canada the same game has been played. There have been a lot of Canadians (typically members of political parties other than the Conservatives) who have spoken very critically of American policies and declared quite strongly that they don't want those types of policies imported here. Some Conservatives here have tried to play the game of equating that with hating America. Just as it was an asinine criticism when applied to Democrats, it is equally asinine when applied to Canadians who don't like current American policies.
In fact, some of the Canadians most strongly critical of current American policies (be they economic or foreign policy) are also likely to tell you that they like Obama, hope he wins, and hope he changes things. In other words, they really do like this American leader, his American ideas for America, and see themselves as fellow travellers with the millions of his American supporters. It's not about hating America; it's about hating current American policy.
Now having said all that, there are, of course, some wing nuts who don't get the difference and transfer their hatred for current American policies to the American people generally. (eg, Carolyn Parrish: "Damn Americans... I hate those bastards.") Others will sometimes slip into anti-American rhetoric when they really mean they hate current policies and their American proponents. But Canadian attitudes to Americans are nothing like American attitudes to the French have typically been. That really is an irrational hatred. It's also one reason that some French-Canadian really do hate Americans.
Posted by: Fact Check | 2008-09-06 6:34:06 PM
I expected that response, Fact Check, and from you.
But here's the difference: The target of NDP criticism is not the policies or the current administration. They really mean to target Americans.
It would be well and good if they said "Bush-style" or "Republican-style," or made their criticism of the current administration (and on many, many points I would agree with them) much more plain. But they don't. And, from my interactions with them, they don't hedge their claims. They make it plain that what they despise is Americans. They see Bush and co. as a natural outgrowth of the kind of people Americans are.
I recognize that this either does, or comes awfully close to, violating the principle of charity that I'm a big fan of. But, when it comes to this issue, I don't really feel like being all that charitable. Especially since I think I'm right about all of this--the NDP may not hate Americans, but they're happy to tap into anti-American (and not anti-current-U.S.-administration) sentiment.
Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-09-06 7:06:18 PM
John V: amen! But I feel that the difference between Albertans and Americans are negligible. Something about living in NYC and the Deep South made me feel right at home. Toronto just felt cold and alien.
Jaws: why do students at BGSU take Canadian studies?
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-06 7:19:03 PM
Anyone here see the Lenin lookalike NDP leader dramatically doffing his suit jacket attempting to emulate his new hero Obama ?
Problem is the doofus already had his shirtsleeves rolled up and the obviously staged move revealed him to be nothing but a delusional pompous fool.
Layton is an Obama wannabe.
Posted by: Bocanut | 2008-09-06 7:24:26 PM
I'm not entirely sure, Zeb. They tell me that they're really interested in Canada, and I guess I believe them.
Bowling Green is only an hour and a half from Canada, and very many of them make the trip to Windsor to drink when they're 19. Being in Canada may motivate them to wonder about what the differences between Canada and the U.S. are.
Others of them are genuinely cosmopolitan. A few of my students have been, or were planning to, spend a year or two abroad for their education. So if they're interested in other countries, why not find out about their northern neighbour?
Finally, you'd be surprised at how profitable it can be for an American to know a little bit about Canada. Ohio trades more with Canada than it does with their U.S. neighbours (so does Michigan). A few of my students told me that their dads or friends got contracts because they chatted with a Canadian about Canadian politics for a bit, and knew a bunch of facts about Canada. There's plenty of work in Ohio for an American who knows a thing or two about Canada.
Those are my best guesses.
Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-09-06 7:28:58 PM
Down here in Alabama, Canada remains exotic. A few have traveled there. One of my friends joked about those Rosetta Stone language sets. A Canadian one would have "eh" at the end of every sentence. :)
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-06 7:50:57 PM
"Dear Jack Layton and the hate America crowd:
Grow the fuck up."
Good luck with that. If anything the pathology is spreading. It used to be mostly the NDP and maybe some people on the left fringe of the Liberal party that indulged in America bashing during Canadian elections. Now it's become much more mainstream, witness some of S. Dion's recent comments - such as that Harper wants to serve Bush's 3rd term in Ottawa - the very words "George Bush" and "Republican" are obviously pejoratives in the mind of Dion, and he must assume also in the mind of right thinking Canadians or why would he make such facile remarks - what an appalling and depressingly immature politics we have in this country.
Or actually maybe it's not so much the pathology is spreading as the culture of the Liberal party and current leadership that has moved to left to where this type of mindset is prevalent.
Posted by: Dave K. | 2008-09-06 8:04:42 PM
Sorry, Fact Check, but your attempt to gloss over anti-Americanism in Canada, while valiant, doesn’t wash. Holding up the Americans as an example of what Canada should not be is one of the oldest games in Canadian politics, to be expected from a country that makes no bones about the fact that it has no reason to exist other than to not be American. Numerous journalists and professors freely admit that Canadians tend to define themselves not by who they are, but by who they’re not. This policy is at least as old as Canada and has nothing to do with the Bush administration.
The said, the reason Canadians like Obama is for the same reason they liked Trudeau—he’s idealistic and charismatic. In this they show their political immaturity, because those are the LAST attributes you want in a statesman. Leaders are supposed to be pragmatic, wise, able to make tough calls for the good of the nation. Obama does not appear to be any of these things, and a cult of personality is not going to change that. History has shown us time and again the great damage a single charismatic individual can do. It’s time we learned the lesson.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-09-06 8:08:36 PM
Jaws,
If you can't extend the principle of charity here, how about the principle of specificity and the principle of provinding specific evidence? When you say, "if they said..." "made their criticism..." "But they don't", etc. who is "they"? You then wrote, "from my interactions with them...", so it sounds like you mean people with whom you are personally acquainted, not Jack Layton. If that's the case, well, I'll certainly take your word for it. But I don't know people like this.
As for Jack Layton, the subject of your "Grow the fuck up" message, you should either be able to provide a reference to him specifically generalizing about Americans rather than American-style policies or else I think you really should extend the principle of charity. Carolyn Parrish gave us a pretty clear demonstration of her anti-Americanism. I don't recall Layton doing the same.
Just as Obama has said again and again and again (and again...) that John McCain is just like George Bush and voting for McCain means voting for "the continuation of the failed policies of the last eight years of the Bush administration", Layton likes to say that Stephen Harper is just like George Bush and voting for him is to vote for blah, blah, blah.... Is the attack true? No. Is it anti-American? No more so when Layton does it than when Obama does it. It's just business-as-usual for politics and politicians.
There are a truckload of criticisms of Layton you could make I would be fully on board with, but I don't think he has a knee-jerk hatred for Americans. At least, I have not heard him say anything that would make me think he does.
Posted by: Fact Check | 2008-09-06 8:15:14 PM
why do students at BGSU take Canadian studies?
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 6-Sep-08 7:19:03 PM
Probably so they can be shown were Canada is on a map.
Did you know that 1/5 of Americans can't find the US on a world map. This young lady explains why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-06 8:16:03 PM
Yes not being able to find the US on a map is troubling, because it is so very, extremely important to the whole world.
Not finding Canada on the map is no big deal, much like the country itself.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-06 8:50:17 PM
Fact Check: You're right, it isn't Jack Layton who I know personally. It's NDP supporters (many of whom I count as friends) and Liberal supporters (also, many friends), and "progressives" in Canada who I know and chat with about America regularly.
I have insufficient evidence to conclude that Jack Layton hates Americans. I have what I take to be sufficient proof such that I can make an educated guess about his anti-Americanism. If you want line and verse, you'll have to wait. Most of this is coming from memory, and I'm not sure exactly what to put into Google to find those references.
But here's my question to you, Fact Check, and answer honestly: Don't you think that very many left-wing Canadians are anti-American? And don't you think that they are egged on by advertisements like this one that put in obvious allusions to the U.S. through the use of stars and (sometimes) stripes? And don't you think that the NDP is feeding off of anti-Americanism (and not anti-current-administration-of-the-U.S.)?
If you had to bet on it, and had $100 to bet, where do you think is the most rational place to put that money? On the anti-American side, or the anti-Bush side? If you had to make a judgment call, that is.
I'd put about $80 on the anti-American side.
I agree with you that I've proven nothing conclusively. But I still stand by my original comments (although I'd be really, really happy to change my mind about this).
Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-09-06 8:52:41 PM
The Stig wrote: "Did you know that 1/5 of Americans can't find the US on a world map. This young lady explains why."
On the other hand, 83 percent of Canadians can't name Canada's space agency. Not many Americans have never heard of NASA.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-09-06 9:12:17 PM
Not many Americans have never heard of NASA.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 6-Sep-08 9:12:17 PM
True. That's the outfit that 15% of Americans believed faked the moon landings.
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-06 9:20:09 PM
Jaws,
"But here's my question to you, Fact Check, and answer honestly: Don't you think that very many left-wing Canadians are anti-American?"
Honestly? No. Some certainly are, but not most. I think the test of whether they are or not is not what they say about current American political policies or about current American leaders, but what they say about more like-minded Americans. When Michael Moore came to Canada people were positively FAWNING all over him. When he criticized Harper and the Conservatives during the last election (or the one before that. I can't remember which) and warned us not to make the same mistakes (from his POV) that the US had made, the Canadian left LOVED it. This is an American they like a lot. Ralph Nader also has been pretty popular here. When Al Gore comes to Canada he is treated as a HERO. It's just that the Canadian left don't like Bush at all or anything he has done in office, and so when he gets elected and re-elected people who oppose those ideas shake their heads and wonder what is wrong (from their POV) with the people who vote for him, just like the hard-core American left does. And sometimes that head shaking gets interpreted as anti-Americanism, whether it comes from Canadians or Americans. (If you need more evidence of how the right questions the patriotism of the American left generally, re-read the threads on American flags here or threads past about Obama and flag pins or ANYTHING Adam Yoshida has EVER posted about the left.)
"And don't you think that they are egged on by advertisements like this one that put in obvious allusions to the U.S. through the use of stars and (sometimes) stripes?"
I think the ones who are truly anti-American are egged on by ads like this. But I also think that those who are not get that the allusion is to Bush policies, not Americans generally. I also don't think Layton minds that some of his supporters are anti-American. Just as Ron Paul won't disassociate himself from the 911 truthers who support him. When you are that low in the polls, any lovin' is good lovin'.
"If you had to bet on it, and had $100 to bet, where do you think is the most rational place to put that money? On the anti-American side, or the anti-Bush side?"
I'd put about $90 on the anti-Bush side.
Posted by: Fact Check | 2008-09-06 10:05:19 PM
I really don't see how you can construe this ad as anti-American. If anything, it's pointing out some of the flaws in our own system that right-wing American pundits like to use against us when arguing that they don't want to wind up with a health care system like Canada's. Yes, the stars in the background early in the ad certainly allude to Harper's own stated admiration of Bush and Republican policies, but again I think that's a dig at Harper and not the US.
As a Canadian who also teaches Canadian Studies courses in the US, I make it clear to my students that most Canadians, regardless of their political leanings, quite like Americans and lots of things about the United States. Most Canadians, like the vast majority of the students I teach, dislike Bush and the direction the US has taken in the last eight years. At the same time, as someone pointed out earlier, the threat of becoming more like the US or even part of it has been used by politicians of all sides from before Canada even became a country.
They take my classes because they want to learn more about Canada and are embarrassed by how little they know. In one of my classes this semester, not a single student could recall ever learning anything about Canada in their entire educational history. Not a single student could tell me who the Prime Minister was, and few could name more than the province which borders the state where I work and teach. I'm not afraid to point out what I think to be the flaws in either country, but that's neither anti-American, nor anti-Canadian. Talking about the differences between the two places teaches the students about Canada, but also causes them to reflect further on their own country as well, for better or worse.
When asked by my students when I'm going to become an American citizen (and this happens on a regular basis) I explain to them that I've no intention of doing that. They understand that this is not an insult against their own country or citizenship, but a sign of my own patriotism to Canada. Being pro-Canadian and wanting to maintain the important differences between our countries is not the same as being anti-American.
Posted by: canadien errant | 2008-09-06 11:29:40 PM
Hey canadian errant: Thanks for your comments. I especially like to hear from fellow Canadian Studies teachers in the U.S. I really loved teaching that course, and, unless I go back home to Canada, I'll continue pushing for at least an introduction to Canadian Studies course wherever I end up in the U.S.
I interpret the stars in the ad as another instance of anti-Americanism. Fact Check has taken me to task for this, but I still stand by what I've written. Maybe we'll just end up agreeing to disagree.
I only spent a couple of days on anti-Americanism in my course. I thought it was important for American students to see a seedier side of Canada, so that they don't just get smoke blown up their arse about the lovely, pleasant, nice, and decent neighbour to the North (I think Canada is all of those things, by the way, but I also think there is an undercurrent of indecency that really should be rooted out. Like anti-American bigotry).
I spent a great deal of time teaching about Canada's national sense of identity as well. The difference in our approach to marijuana, to health care, to sports, and so on. I even took them out for a day of curling (best day of class, period). I think it's fine to differentiate and to insist on difference, but that's not my beef. My beef is the desire to differentiate by implying superiority, or by the silly and superficial method of saying "see, we're *not* American!"
That's all.
Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-09-06 11:40:07 PM
Jaws: I usually end up doing a Yakov Smirnoff routine where Canada ends up in the Russia role. I refuse to play the 'superiority' games that the Corporations and Ontarians want us to play. I buy American because it's worth it.
In my experience the main difference is merely bureaucratic - driver's license, license plates, etc. The weather here is also different but likewise that is to be expected - and appreciated. Don't have to shovel snow!!! Otherwise I do the same things in the same way here as in Calgary. I can't say there are many other examples in the world where you can do this.
What I never see in Canada is any form of gratitude toward the US. Alberta had some. Toronto had none but then they're ungrateful losers who expect everything done for them. It shows how petty they are.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-07 7:08:03 AM
Hi Jaws,
I definitely agree that it's important to show American students those other sides to Canada. The only real impression that they do seem to have when they arrive in my class is that Canada is a benevolent, easy-going land where people are universally friendly to the US. By showing things like Talking to Americans etc. (I do that as well!) we can help to trouble that notion and see Canada as being a more complicated place.
Atwood has a great description of the Canada/US border as being the world's longest one-way mirror (she wrote that in an article she wrote for The Nation in the early 1980s). Americans can't see through to the other side, and Canadians have their noses pressed up against the glass observing the Americans and paying special attention to the few things Americans say about them. Atwood said that over 20 years ago and I still think it's true.
With duelling elections going on now, it's going to be really interesting for our students to compare and contrast these campaigns. I may just show them that NDP ad, too. Thanks for drawing my attention to it.
Posted by: canadien errant | 2008-09-07 7:42:48 AM
What I never see in Canada is any form of gratitude toward the US. Alberta had some.
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 7-Sep-08
Gratitude for what? And please let us all know the gratitude that the special province of Alberta conveys on the US.
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-07 7:47:29 AM
Toronto had none but then they're ungrateful losers who expect everything done for them. It shows how petty they are.
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 7-Sep-08 7:08:03 AM
More proof the Alberta Eugenics Board shouldn't have been disbanded.
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-07 7:56:51 AM
Errant: I disagree. I've known many Americans who have traveled and even lived in Canada. It's far from a one-way mirror. The difference is that Americans aren't as obsessed with Canada as the reverse. They're more interested in themselves. That's what makes them so confident.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-07 8:05:48 AM
I feel that I am actually an American who happens to now be trapped in Canada.
Posted by: John V | 6-Sep-08 6:16:40 PM
What's stopping you from leaving?
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-07 8:59:25 AM
Stig: John V, like many of on this board, are paid by big American corporations to destroy Canada. They stay in Canada to erode your confidence in your country. Needless to say, it is working.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-07 9:50:54 AM
Stig: John V, like many of on this board, are paid by big American corporations to destroy Canada.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 7-Sep-08 9:50:54 AM
Anybody who claims that living in Cleveland (better known as the mistake by the lake)was a privilege has little or no credibility.
They stay in Canada to erode your confidence in your country. Needless to say, it is working.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 7-Sep-08 9:50:54 AM
Your country? Forget where you're from Punk? Oh I forgot, you're not from Canada but Bumfuck Alberta. Bwahahahahahaha
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-07 10:10:00 AM
I had the privilege of living In Cleveland Ohio from about 1966 to 1974. I kinda grew up there. I also spent a couple of year before that traveling all over the USA in a rock band.
Posted by: John V | 6-Sep-08 6:16:40 PM
So you "grew" up in the mistake by the lake. Yet, you say you toured the US in a rock band for a couple of years before that. Where the you the opening act for The Dave Clark Five? Most people would say that their growing up years were from about 8 -18. So unless you were touring when you were 12 you wouldn't have "grown" up until your mid 20"s. Hmmmmm
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-07 10:27:17 AM
"Sounds like paranoia runs deep" as the U.S. seems to be a culture in slow but steady decline. Canadians do not like to see this happen to our neighbor to the South which had so much potential and now seems caught up in in a plot by the Industrial Military Complex that President Eisenhower once spoke about.
Canadian's do not hate Americans. However, we are not very happy when democracy is perverted and the majority winner of an election does not become President. We feel sorry for our friends to the south when their election results can be manipulated by a political power. We feel bad when they were lied to by their leaders regarding "Weapons of Mass destruction" and our Canadian politicians rightly questioned the decision.
Trudeau definitely defined the difference between the US and Canada. He was not a "communist" please.!!! He was a Social Democrat who fought his whole right for the rights of individuals. He gave us the skills to become political satirists and to question every decision governments make.
Because we point out problems with the American political system, its broken justice system and refusal to address Global warming except by film makers and ex vice presidents... does not mean we hate the U.S. However, we feel it our duty to point out areas where our neighbour is falling behind other Western democracies. An example is that more folks are killed by hand guns in Texas than in automobile accidents. Most reasonable Canadians would believe this is unacceptable in a modern democratic society.
I do not hate my brother who is conservative and believes it is alright to send Canadian's to Afganistan to be blown up in a war that cannot be won. I and the majority of Canadians according to the poles believe that we should be peace keepers and not Soldiers of War. I think today we lost our 100th Canadian and we have no idea how many innocent locals have been killed in Afganistan by Canadian and Nato soldiers. However, I will continue to have a difference of dialogue with him for the rest of our lives.
I argued for weeks with my brother-in-law in Utah to no avail asking him not to vote for George Bush. Finally, he told me stop e-mailing ...telling me "I know what I believe and you only know what you read". However, I do not hate him but keep asking myself what can I do to have him vote for the first Black President in American history and retire McCann along with the Vietnam war.
We are Canadian and we have different views, a different culture but we love folks for the differences not hate them.
Dave
Posted by: Dave Thomas | 2008-09-07 6:23:18 PM
Why not do your fellow Canadians a favor and stay in the Excited States of America as a citizen. I'm sure they'll love to have you. Those, that is, that live long enough under the wonderful health-care system there!
Posted by: R. K. Nelson | 2008-09-11 12:52:26 PM
That's below the belt, R. K. Nelson. Just what did I say that elicited that reaction? That I disapprove of anti-Americanism?
I'm liable to take it personally, and I don't think your reaction was at all warranted.
Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-09-11 2:42:33 PM
"Many Canadians, particularly in Central Canada make me ashamed to be Canadian...." quote-John V.
- you're ashamed to be Canadian?
Posted by: Wayne Gretzky | 2008-09-14 9:55:40 AM
It's a sad commentary when some Canadians are more welcome in the US and abroad than they are in their own "country".
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-14 10:02:54 AM
The only true Canadians meet ALL of the following criteria:
-white
-British ancestry
-anglophone
-Protestant
-born AND raised in the Greater Toronto Area or Ottawa
-Educated at one of the following institutions: Univ of Toronto, York, Queen's or Carleton.
No others need apply.
Even the Nazi SS had less stringent criteria.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-14 10:13:33 AM
Ya know Stig, I thought I had some respect for your various points of view, even though I disagree with some.
But when I see you constantly bashing one of the few provinces that has a very real work ethic as opposed to the "entitlement" ethic I have to wonder. I am starting to see that you just might be a self righteous, ego ridden, pompous fanatic with very little to offer anyone, let alone Canada. If like many you feel that Ontario and Quebec are the center of the earth you are very much mistaken. And any one can take cheap shots, that takes no talent at all.
Posted by: JC | 2008-09-14 11:28:32 AM
But when I see you constantly bashing one of the few provinces that has a very real work ethic as opposed to the "entitlement" ethic
Posted by: JC | 14-Sep-08 11:28:32 AM
Yeah thats right. Just Alberta and maybe Saskatchewan have a work ethic. All the rest are just leechers living off your hard work.
If like many you feel that Ontario and Quebec are the center of the earth you are very much mistaken.
Posted by: JC | 14-Sep-08 11:28:32 AM
Did I ever say Ontario and Quebec were at the centre of the universe? Nope. London (GB)is the centre for me. And lets face it the only reason anybody gives a shit about Alberta is because of oil. And where I live half the province isn't being dug up so people 1500 miles south don't have to damage their environment.
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-14 1:01:14 PM
-Educated at one of the following institutions: Univ of Toronto, York, Queen's or Carleton.
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 14-Sep-08 10:13:33 AM
What a f**king moron. Nobody in their right mind wants to go to Carleton. And he never included the UWO which indicates just how clueless he is.
Posted by: The Stig | 2008-09-14 1:11:29 PM
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