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Sunday, August 10, 2008
Russia's goal: reverse the Rose Revolution
The cat is out of the bag now.
The question is: will the free world stand by and let Georgia be swallowed up?
Posted by D.J. McGuire on August 10, 2008 in International Affairs | Permalink
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Unless we want the new version of WW3, I suppose Georgia is a gonner.
It's just getting worse and worse. While the world elites are watching the Communist Olympics the Russian cleverly made a move.
The west is totally wimped out. The US is on the verge of electing a pandering world citizen as it's president. While claiming his African roots, he has sided with the Muslims if worse gets to worse.
Worse is a matter of degree. The worse thermometer is getting down to Zero.
It think this would be a good time for the Elites to tell their extra terrestrial pals to get off the planet for awhile.
Posted by: John V | 2008-08-10 3:38:33 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa DJ:
#1 - No matter what the world does, you'll sit at home out of harm's way, so maybe you don't have the right to cheerlead other people to their deaths.
#2 - Georgia attacked Ossetia, who voted 90% to secede. Georgia is the aggressor. It deserves a spanking. And boy, is it going to get one.
Posted by: attitude | 2008-08-10 3:40:03 PM
Why is someone called 'Zalmay Khalilzad' the United States ambassador to the UN? Where his ancestors on the Mayflower? Did they fight the British in the 1770s or expand America westward in the 19th century?
Let us hope anti-multicultural Russia kicks some George Soros-loving Georgian ass.
Posted by: Matra | 2008-08-10 3:47:48 PM
Make that: 'Were' his ancestors on the Mayflower?
Posted by: Matra | 2008-08-10 3:49:42 PM
I'll try correcting it again.
Make that: "were" his ancestors on the Mayflower?
Posted by: Matra | 2008-08-10 3:54:07 PM
Oh, now the orignial shows up. A clunky site you've got here.
Posted by: Matra | 2008-08-10 3:55:08 PM
Is there a point in all that garbage, Matra?
Posted by: Sarcasm | 2008-08-10 3:58:14 PM
The west is totally wimped out. The US is on the verge of electing a pandering world citizen as it's president. While claiming his African roots, he has sided with the Muslims if worse gets to worse.
George Bush and the organised political right in North America sided with Muslims in the Balkans against Christians. Could Obama be any worse for the West than open borders pro-Muslim Republicans like George Bush?
Posted by: Matra | 2008-08-10 3:58:36 PM
Uh, Matra: We're talking about Georgia. Not Obama. One is a country, one is a presidential candidate. You're talking about the wrong one.
Posted by: Sarcasm | 2008-08-10 4:03:43 PM
Wonder what Gorbachev thinks of this development? He had a plan for Russia that entailed a gradual change into a Democratic state. He was someone who could have brought stability during that change.
We really can't know what will develop with the present Russian regime. Putin isn't really someone one can analyze easily. His demeanor is one of furtiveness.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-08-10 5:30:27 PM
No Liz: We can know what will develop with Russia. It's the same thing that has developed with all governments. They want power over people everywhere.
Putin will expand Russian power both inside and outside of Russia, just like Bush will.
China is doing the same, but in a much cheaper and smarter way. They are allowing the smallest amount of liberty inside China and only undergoing peaceful expansion outside (Africa). They generally keep their nose out of other people's business.
It makes me wonder. Has someone in the Chinese government read notes from the libertarians who formed the first government in the US?
Posted by: Sarcasm | 2008-08-10 5:51:09 PM
Sarcasm
"It makes me wonder. Has someone in the Chinese government read notes from the libertarians who formed the first government in the US?"
Would you be so kind as to name the PRC's Jefferson or Madison equivalent.
We're through the looking glass now, people!
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-08-10 6:10:07 PM
H2: There isn't one.
But, someone in China understands that a country shouldn't become involved in "foreign entanglements."
And, they understand that freedom yields wealth. Wealth can be stolen by government and result in a powerful state, which would be theend game.
Did you enjoy the walk? Can I let go of your hand now?
Posted by: Sarcasm | 2008-08-10 6:28:11 PM
Sarc,
My, that Kool-Aid must taste good.
So propping up Robert Mugabe isn't a "foreign entanglement"? How about helping Pakistan go nuclear? Or giving Lybia and Syria WMD help? Laundering bin Laden's money? Propping up North Korea?
Posted by: D.J. McGuire | 2008-08-10 8:34:01 PM
DJ: It was Canada that first sold Can-du reactors to Pakistan, so we can all pat ourselves on the back for that.
By foreign entanglemets, I mean violence. If they want to waste money on socialism, they can go ahead. How can they launder Bin Laden's money?He's dead.
The Chinese should protect it's interests in a peaceful way. Just because it's not consistent with ours, doesn't mean anything. Should we act consistent to their interests?
Posted by: Sarcasm | 2008-08-10 8:41:52 PM
Sarcasm: China might say that a country should avoid foreign entanglements, but they're all for private companies doing so - like in the Sudan right now. Double-talk is fun.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-08-10 8:43:58 PM
Wonder what Gorbachev thinks of this development? He had a plan for Russia that entailed a gradual change into a Democratic state. He was someone who could have brought stability during that change.
We really can't know what will develop with the present Russian regime. Putin isn't really someone one can analyze easily. His demeanor is one of furtiveness.
Posted by: Liz J | 10-Aug-08 5:30:27 PM
Guess the ideologic blinds are still on.
When Gorbatchev dismantled the Soviet Union he clearly expected that the West would come in and help rebuild and provide support. Instead they started dividing the spoils, supporting everybody and anything that stood against Russia or GUS, "invaded" with capitalism that threw the majority of Russians into poverty and promoted a handful of them to get rich.
As far as most Russians are concerned they have little love left for the West, and why should they? They DO admire Putin because he actually started clearing house and if you like him or not, he IS giving Russia an identity again and he will continue to do so as long as he's around.
The biggest mistake the West made was to assume they had so utterly won that they could just carve up the carcasse and could do so in peace. The world is changing, and Russia intends to be a player again.
We had our chance to make this play out differently, we blew it, now we have to deal with the consequences.
Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-08-10 9:19:01 PM
So what? They aren't at war. War is an expensive drain. If a private company spends more than it makes, it goes banrupt. Government will print money and devalue the dollar. That can kill a country's economy.
China is building slowly in relative peace. It's not double talk. You just don't get it.
Posted by: Sarcasm | 2008-08-10 9:21:50 PM
I think the one factor that might decide the fate of the west is the criminal element. Every time the US and Canada try to encourage democracy, they end up with a new wave of criminals immigrating here from those countries.
The KGB was faced with unemployment, but they made really good use of the skills they'd learned. The Russian mafia is mostly run by ex-KGB. They took plenty of weapons with them as well. South Vietnam was a great place to recruit young gangsters. Remember Castro's humanitarian gesture in 1980? Made for one of my favourite movies. The list goes on and on, but nobody seems to think it's a problem.
Posted by: dp | 2008-08-10 9:51:17 PM
Sarc,
"But, someone in China understands that a country shouldn't become involved in "foreign entanglements."
Tibet? Oh, yeah. That's right, first you absorb the country so it's no longer foreign.
Taiwan? See above.
Or is this their version of the Monroe Doctrine?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-08-10 10:42:49 PM
What is remarkable is we are on the verge of WWIII and oil is tracking downwards, and the news media is acting like this is just some third world petty dispute.
We can stop Russia without WWIII. Kick them out of the G8, create a trade embargo, end trade relations, close our embassies, ect....
Posted by: Faramir | 2008-08-11 10:10:54 AM
Attitude, you bet I can't wait for the smell of Russian blood.
Posted by: Faramir | 2008-08-11 10:11:38 AM
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