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Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Looking at surface differences
"Five million Canadians are visible minorities."
Making everyone else, what, invisible majorities?
I find this subject, focusing as it does on the mundane and banal matters of skin colour and racial characteristics, to be tedious.
Far more interesting and, ultimately, important are the intertwined subjects of culture and religion.
Posted by Terry O'Neill on April 2, 2008 in Current Affairs | Permalink
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Here are some stats that Statscan doesn't deem relevant, the percentage of white people in Canada. White people, according to Statscan, are people of European origin, not including aboriginals or visible minorities. The percentage of whites in Canada is 80.0%, down from 83.3% in 2001 and 86.0% in 1996. Here is a breakdown of whites in each province and territory:
NL: 94.2%
PE: 97.3%
NS: 93.1%
NB: 95.6%
QC: 89.7%
ON: 75.2%
MB: 74.9%
SK: 81.5%
AB: 80.3%
BC: 70.4%
YT: 70.9%
NW: 44.2%
NU: 13.6%
Posted by: JP | 2008-04-02 9:51:53 AM
>"I find this subject, focusing as it does on the mundane and banal matters of skin colour and racial characteristics, to be tedious.
Far more interesting and, ultimately, important are the intertwined subjects of culture and religion."
Terry O'Neill on April 2, 2008
Yes, Terry, identity politics are tedious.
They are also the way that the Liberals, through exploiting these differences, have held long years of power in Canada and the CBC coupled with StatsCan are continuing in this Liberal tradition of dividing the Canadian people until the Liberals are ready to resume their position of Natural Ruling Party.
We have only to look for people who would carve out special legal exemptions for their religion and culture to know who these identity groups vote for en bloc.
That is the only interesting aspect that I can find in the subject.
As a side note, it would be politically interesting to know what percentage of the "5 million" live in urban ridings and how many are "filling up this vast empty country" as chain immigration advocates fantasize they are doing.
Posted by: Speller | 2008-04-02 10:12:26 AM
Here's another statistic on race, there's an 80.3% chance that a 'white'* person in Alberta was given one of the units of my nonwhite Type O negative blood the Red Cross and Canadian Blood Service have collected over the years. No one's complained yet. Genetically, you and I are about 0.2% different from each other, and inside of that difference, 6% are attributes we'd call 'racial'. (See Cameron & Wycoff.)
*Lean against the white-screened monitor. You're pinkish beige at best. OK maybe some of you are a little greenish-grey judging by your posting schedules.
Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-04-02 10:38:19 AM
Blood is like gasoline, most car models can use most gasoline types.
The car model remains the same.
As to "no one's" complained yet, I do seem to recall some JWs complaining.
In addition, some of that yellow stuff in your urine is dead red blood cells, the white ones and T-cells etc, can't be easily seen without drinking dye.
My blood is A+ and my skin is rosy, with freckles.
I used to be a regular blood donor but quit after the tainted blood disaster.
Posted by: Speller | 2008-04-02 10:55:49 AM
Regardless of so-called differences, thank God for all Canadians and Canada. Many other countries exist in the world where racism, bigotry, tyranny are the norms. People from all over the world come to Canada to become Canadians because of the terrible places of their birth. Maybe in the future, most of the world will be as welcoming to people as is Canada.
Posted by: dewp | 2008-04-02 11:05:35 AM
Genetically, humans share about 99% of their genes with mice. The difference is hardly visible to the naked eye.
"Public outcry has greeted the discovery that for years most of the blood donated by Ethiopian Jewish immigrants to Israel's blood collection service has been thrown out unused because of the high risk of HIV in the community."
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-02 11:15:14 AM
Ontario will use this to further legitimize their segregationist and anti-miscegenation agendas.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-04-02 11:15:53 AM
A squarehead I used to work with stored his own blood for months before surgery. I asked him if he was worried about diseases. He said "no, I didn't want them to turn me into a ni**er". True story. Believe me, if I needed a transfusion I wouldn't be fussy where it came from.
I got a call a few years ago from stats Canada. They were supposedly doing research for health care statistics. One of the questions was about my country of origin. When I answered "Canada", I was told this was not an acceptable answer. Apparently, two centuries is not enough time to put down roots. After a fairly heated debate I asked if they wanted to know my skin colour, and the woman acknowledged that was the main purpose for the survey. I don't know if they were planning ahead for sickle cell anemia outbreaks or skin cancer outbreaks. I found the whole thing quite offensive.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-02 11:19:00 AM
>"People from all over the world come to Canada to become Canadians because of the terrible places of their birth. Maybe in the future, most of the world will be as welcoming to people as is Canada."
dewp | 2-Apr-08 11:05:35 AM
Most people come here for a slice of the pie.
They drain $billions from our economy and send it back to the home country.
Then, through family reunification immigration, they bring family members who are largely demographically older than the base Canadian population, create a drain on our healthcare system, (which by itself gets the lion's share of our tax dollars), live in ethnic ghettos of their own making while voting Liberal so that they are catered to as an identity group.
(all while making these ghettos they create as much like the terrible places of their birth as possible)
"Maybe in the future, most of the world will be as welcoming to people as is Canada."
One can only hope.
And I mean ONLY.
Do you have any idea how many countries have extremely restricted immigration policies based on race or a zero immigration policy?
We really need immigration reform in Canada.
Posted by: Speller | 2008-04-02 11:22:27 AM
"Whites have historically represented the largest proportion of reported AIDS cases, yet this proportion has declined over the last 10 years. The proportion of reported AIDS cases with known ethnicity attributed to Whites was highest in 1988, at 91.1%, but declined steadily to 68.0% in 1999. Since that time, the proportion increased to 74.5% in 2000 and dropped to 68.1% in 2001. In 2002, 58.9% of reported AIDS cases with known ethnicity occurred in Whites.
With a decrease among Whites, there has been a corresponding increase in the proportion of reported AIDS cases in other ethnic groups. The increase in the proportion has been most notable among Aboriginal peoples and Blacks since 1994 (Figure 1). In 2001, Aboriginal peoples and Blacks accounted for 3.3% and 2.2% of Canada's population respectively.2 In the same year, they respectively accounted for 5.5% and 15.3% of reported AIDS cases with known ethnicity. In 2002, these proportions were 12.9% and 18.3% respectively. This indicates that both Aboriginal peoples and Blacks are overrepresented in reported AIDS cases. Blacks account for the highest proportion of reported AIDS cases among non-White groups. This is notable considering the population of this community in Canada. "
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/8_e.html
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-02 11:22:41 AM
"According to Dr. Rick Glazier, of St. Mike’s, one contributing factor to Malvern’s high rate of diabetes is its high ethnic population, since many visible minorities, "including South and East Asians, Hispanics, Afro-Caribbeans and Native Americans," are genetically predisposed to the condition."
"The housing complex is just south of Malvern, where 7.5 per cent of all residents (adults and children) in 2001 suffered from diabetes, the second highest rate in Toronto. The highest rate was 7.62 per cent in Humber Summit, a Jane-Finch neighbourhood, while the lowest, 2.85 per cent, was in Lawrence Park, where the average family earned $155,635. Almost 80 per cent of Malvern residents were visible minorities and most were South Asian, Black and Chinese. Almost half of families had before-tax incomes below $50,000."
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-02 11:27:38 AM
"Toronto, with its growing immigrant population, will likely see an increase of deadly, contagious tuberculosis, experts say. The current system simply couldn't handle an outbreak, but the province has yet to make the changes required to protect citizens"
http://www.thestar.com/living/Health/article/306357
Posted by: Dj | 2008-04-02 11:34:19 AM
"A 2004 study by the United Way of Greater Toronto and the Canadian Council on Social Development found that Toronto's number of high poverty neighbourhoods had grown by 90 over a 20-year period, to a total of 120 in 2001. This growth primarily occurred in Scarborough, North York, Etobicoke, York and East York, where the number of communities rose from 15 to 92, areas featuring ethnic enclaves and low-cost housing for new immigrants.
In fact, the Poverty by Postal Code report found that 30 per cent of the total immigrant family population of the City of Toronto lived in higher poverty neighbourhoods in 2001, a 400 per cent increase since 1981. These families also accounted for two-thirds of the poor family population, up from less than half.
The report had similar findings for visible minority communities, citing an eight-fold increase in the number of visible minority families living in higher poverty neighbourhoods. Additionally, these families accounted for 77.5 per cent of "poor" families, up from 37.4 per cent."
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-02 11:40:29 AM
"A 2004 study by the United Way of Greater Toronto and the Canadian Council on Social Development found that Toronto's number of high poverty neighbourhoods had grown by 90 over a 20-year period, to a total of 120 in 2001. This growth primarily occurred in Scarborough, North York, Etobicoke, York and East York, where the number of communities rose from 15 to 92, areas featuring ethnic enclaves and low-cost housing for new immigrants.
Posted by: DJ | 2-Apr-08 11:40:29 AM
Ethnic enclaves? Low-cost housing for new immigrants?
Why do these terms even exist, given the sorry state of our economy? So many people think we are in an economic boom right now, and they are dead wrong. Even Alberta is teetering on the edge of ruin. Calgary has ballooned to at least 20% above a sustainable population. Some other cities are probably in worse shape. Think those "extra bodies" will head back home when things go downhill?
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-02 11:50:14 AM
>"Calgary has ballooned to at least 20% above a sustainable population. Some other cities are probably in worse shape. Think those "extra bodies" will head back home when things go downhill?"
dp | 2-Apr-08 11:50:14 AM
By "sustainable population" are you perhaps referring to the 1/3 $Billion new Polar Bear enclosure that Bronco is building at the Calgary Zoo instead of infrastructure?
What are referring to when you say "teetering on the edge of ruin"?
Posted by: Speller | 2008-04-02 12:02:42 PM
A Northern taboo: Research on race, crime, and criminal justice in Canada.
by Scot Wortley
"American research has consistently found that race -- along with gender and age -- is one of the strongest predictors of officially reported criminal activity (Tonry 1995). Although statistics on race and crime are not normally released in Canada, the information that is available suggests that certain racial minorities are also over-represented in the Canadian correctional system. Table 1 combines data from the 1996 Census (www.statcan.ca) with data released by federal corrections (Solicitor General of Canada 1997). The data reveal that while aboriginal Canadians represent approximately 4% of the population, they account for 14% of federal prison inmates. Similarly, while black people account for only 2% of the population, they represent over 6% of those in federal correctional institutions. Overall, aboriginals suffer from the highest incarceration rate (184.85 per 100,000), followed closely by African- Canadians (146.37). Whites 42.63/100,000."
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-02 12:08:06 PM
Here are the percentages of whites in Canada's 9 largest metropolitan areas, plus Halifax for regional balance:
Halifax: 91.1%
Quebec City: 97.1%
Montreal: 83.0%
Ottawa-Gatineau: 82.2%
Toronto: 56.6%
Hamilton: 86.4%
Winnipeg: 75.0%
Edmonton: 77.8%
Calgary: 75.3%
Vancouver: 56.4%
Toronto and Vancouver contain 60.2% of Canada's visible minority population, that's why the percentage of whites are so low in the two metropolitan areas. On the other hand, there are 7 metro areas that are 95%+ white: St. John's, Moncton, Saint John, Saguenay, Quebec City, Sherbrooke and Trois Rivieres, the whitest metro area in Canada (97.5%).
Posted by: JP | 2008-04-02 12:23:53 PM
The balkanisation of Canada (multiculturalism) is government induced, funded and promoted with our tax dollars. Thanks to this one cannot be deemed to be Canadian anymore; one can only aspire to be a hyphenated one at best.
Posted by: Alain | 2008-04-02 1:42:55 PM
Speller
How can the Alberta economy sustain itself? It's dependent on one non-renewable resource industry. That industry is the most volatile on the planet. When the oilpatch takes a nose dive(as it will for sure) what happens to all those houses that were financed with 5% down? If the value drops 10% the owner might as well default.
Every time the oilpatch booms, the next bust gets more devastating. When the NEP hit us we were already dealing with high interest rates. This time we're dealing with "stagflation". This is what happens when a bunch of real estate developers have too much influence on the markets. All the hype confuses people. A couple of southern Alberta towns have house prices very close to Calgary's. There is no real solid value, it's just a spill over effect. They're going to be hit hard.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-02 2:11:37 PM
Welcome back Zeb! I thought you had gone all soft on us as I haven't seen a derogatory comment about Ontario from you for a least two months.
I see you're feeling better now and look forward to more of your twisted comments in the future. They are really quite entertaining but, I must admit, not without merit-on occasion.
Posted by: atric | 2008-04-02 4:32:11 PM
The only "targeted" minority group in Canada is the tobacco smoking crowd. These poor souls are constantly marginalized, demonized, cursed, spit upon and treated as 'steerage' citizens. The smokers do, however, pay the most taxes of any minority group.
Posted by: jema54j | 2008-04-02 5:23:18 PM
I read this article in the National Post. As in Europe the same absurd claims about needing immigrants to replace an aging population and the need for more workers are made, and yet in the next breath they say how high the unemployment is among immigrants and how poorly they do economically. So, my question is what good are they? Why do we want to risk social chaos and division by letting so many in? Do we do it to satisfy some politically correct urge among political elites in this country? What guarantee do we have that they will ever integrate into our culture? And if they don’t integrate who said we Canadians wanted to have our culture changed by huge numbers of immigrants?
Posted by: Tom | 2008-04-02 8:20:53 PM
Speller said "Do you have any idea how many countries have extremely restricted immigration policies based on race or a zero immigration policy?"
India is one of them. Essentially you don’t get to be a citizen of India unless you are already an ethnic Indian. If we were to apply reciprocity to our immigrant policies only Europeans, Americans, Ozzies/NZ and Latin Americans would get in. (I am sure there are others, but you get my point)
Posted by: Tom | 2008-04-02 8:28:55 PM
I nominate Tom to lead a new political party.
When Preston Manning was finally allowed into the election debates, one of the issues he brought up was immigration. He proposed a moratorium on immigration, and cutting the numbers way back. Does anybody remember what happened? The Liberal/CBC/special interest gangsters screamed "racist" so loud that he had to abandon all hope of accomplishing any meaningful reform.
If Canada is going to be the lifeboat for every third world country, I'm afraid it's going to start taking on water very soon.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-02 9:43:03 PM
"Does anybody remember what happened? The Liberal/CBC/special interest gangsters screamed "racist" so loud that he had to abandon all hope of accomplishing any meaningful reform."
There doing it again.
"Tories accused of returning to Reform policy
Dion says proposed immigration changes are bid to implement 20-year-old promise
Apr 02, 2008 04:30 AM
Bruce Campion-Smith
Ottawa Bureau Chief
Federal opposition parties are stepping up their criticism of a contentious overhaul of Canada's immigration system, accusing the Tories of trying to implement 20-year-old Reform party policies.
Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion yesterday cited the 1988 election platform of the Reform party, a precursor of the Conservatives, that said "immigration should be essentially economic in nature."
"Immigrants should possess the human capital necessary to adjust quickly and independently to the needs of Canadian society and the job market," said the Reform document distributed by the Liberals.
It says that immigration should not be designed to "radically or suddenly alter the ethnic makeup of Canada, as it increasingly seems to be."
Yesterday, Dion said those policies are the motivation behind sweeping proposals to allow the government to give priority to immigrants it deems desirable, such as workers whose skills are in demand, while refusing applications from other categories of immigrants."
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-02 10:07:50 PM
"If we were to apply reciprocity to our immigrant policies only Europeans, Americans, Ozzies/NZ and Latin Americans would get in."
I don't really care from what countries immigrants are from. Afterall, a country dosent represent the minds of individuals. A citizen from one country looking for Canadian citizenship is maybe already an immigrant from another country. The problems come from immigrants who come here, refuse to learn the language in place, refuse the society in place, refuse to assimilate with the people, would rather form getthos than to live the social life of everyday Canadians, dislike and disaprove our life style so much that he's ready to go to court to change it.
Let's face it, people like this will never become Canadians so why bother ? An immigrant should have to prove after a real good period of time that he's partipating, at least, positivly to our society. That he's not here to destroy what we've built.
Those rules are good enough for hockey players, maybe they should be consider for immigration.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-02 10:15:39 PM
"I don't really care from what countries immigrants are from."
If you don't care, why not select those with the best chance of meeting your criteria?
"European immigrants most easily employed
Feb 14, 2008 04:30 AM
Nicholas Keung
IMMIGRATION/DIVERSITY REPORTER
Recent immigrants from Europe have an edge over most newcomer groups in obtaining employment and their lead persists over time, a new Statistics Canada study has found.
The report, released yesterday, found that only 8.4 per cent of newcomers from Europe who arrived here between 2001 and 2005 were unemployed in 2006, a rate that more than doubled to 20.8 per cent for those arriving from African countries during the same period.
European newcomers also fared better than those from Latin America, whose unemployment rate was 10.5 per cent, and from Asia, at 11.1 per cent.
[...]
European immigrants in Canada 10 years or more had a 4 per cent unemployment rate, outperforming peers from Asia (5.5 per cent), Latin America (6.1 per cent) and Africa (7.6 per cent)."
"Demographics explain some of the disparity, said Margaret Walton-Roberts, geography professor at Wilfrid Laurier University. Three-quarters of immigrants in smaller cities were fluent in an official language, compared with 61.5 per cent of those in large cities.
While 61 per cent of the small-town immigrants were from Europe and the United States, those groups represented only 24 per cent of the big-city newcomers."
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-02 10:56:32 PM
Because, DJ, I'm not sure people who wish to hurt the society I live in are from 3rd world only. That’s simple as that.
I believe foreign and strict ideologies are more hurtful than simply people coming from a poor neighbourhood.
"European newcomers also fared better than those from Latin America"
I know many more Lats that are fully assimilated than, let say, Europeans newcomers. I never heard of a local Latino group who wish to change our way of living and society to fit their own beliefs. By the way, I don’t only distrust new immigrants; Canada has its homemade fools too.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-02 11:44:20 PM
"I never heard of a local Latino group who wish to change our way of living and society to fit their own beliefs."
La Raza.
The reason they don't "hurt" you now is because they are small in numbers. The majority of ethnics in Quebec voted against sovereignty in 1995.It didn't help your cause.
The point you're making is, if 50 million Nigerians migrated to Quebec, learned the language and the customs, it would not matter that the founding people of Quebec were made extinct, or race-replaced. Is that correct?
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-03 12:11:17 AM
"The majority of ethnics in Quebec voted against sovereignty in 1995.It didn't help your cause."
One of the thing you have to do when entering Canada is to swear allegiance to Canada on your religious book. When you come to Québec 4 years before a referendum, don't really speak the language and love your relgious book like crazy, of course you're not going to vote for te seperation of Québec from Canada. you're also affraid first of your immigrant status since you became one in the Canadian system.
Of course it didnt help and will happen again but, I went to vote "yes" with my friends Gonzales and Doyle, witch really are not very "french" names.
DJ, be rational please.
I tought I was the one smoking weed around here.
We're 7 millions in Québec.
If 50 millions "Nigerians" would "migrated" to Quebec, this would not be immigration but an act of war.
It would be the same if 50 millions French would try and it would be especially bloody and fun if Anglos would try.
You have a problem with other races...fine.
Me not, What I dont like is foreing ideologies or when people try to hurt the society we've built because it dosent fit their beleifs.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-03 12:34:20 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vuMXQPjezuw&feature=PlayList&p=05075AA9D6C04D1A&index=6
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-03 2:11:41 AM
"If 50 millions "Nigerians" would "migrated" to Quebec, this would not be immigration but an act of war."
Yet over the last few years, upwards of 20 million Latinos migrated, most illegally, to the southwest US, by your definition an act of war, yet the American gov't does nothing but encourage it. The problem is not other races Marc, the problem is mass migration and displacement. In 1970 Toronto was 97% European, now (officially) is 56% European. There is no way that that mass of distant people will come anywhere near the level of integration you desire. Look at Quebec, 300 years and still not assimilated. If such mass displacement borders on an act of war, surely, if its aided and abetted by your own gov't it must reach the level of treason.
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-03 1:12:53 PM
"Look at Quebec, 300 years and still not assimilated."
Like if the Anglosphere would be an interesting option...
"If such mass displacement borders on an act of war, surely, if its aided and abetted by your own gov't it must reach the level of treason."
That's why I'm such a Federalist, DJ.
North America will merge.
Quebecers will never accept that regardless the price to pay.
I love them for that.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-03 9:01:57 PM
"Like if the Anglosphere would be an interesting option..."
Interesting or not, the point is it was not considered. The issue was first and foremost la survivance.
Gérard Bouchard on nationalism:
" In contrast to the neighbouring cultures of America, the nation, as it existed, was held to be exceptionally homogeneous in all respects. This gave it important advantages regarding cohesiveness, solidarity and faithfulness to its goals
The homogeneity of the nation is seen as an essential asset in the fight for survival; displaying this characteristic and to penetrate one’s self with this is important. This imperative led to glossing over elements of diversity, divisions and sharp divide.
The fragile nature of the nation inspired a great fear of others (foreigners). It also inspired the behaviour of social and cultural exclusion of the ethnic minorities established on the Quebec territory or wishing to establish themselves there. Anything that is different, threatens, one way or another, the nation."
Homogeneity was paramount in the quest to preserve "Notre foi, notre langue, nos institutions". The problem is Quebec now has embraced the liberal American notion of assimilation which has broken the link between blood and soil. Until the modern era Quebec was highly exclusionist, now it believes, for some reason, that its culture, language and institutions, will appeal to the immigrant more than the Anglosphere appealed to Quebecers. IMO, it's folly. The strength of Quebec has always been its homgeneous nature.
Posted by: DJ | 2008-04-04 12:47:40 AM
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