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Monday, April 14, 2008
Canadian Olympic official to athletes with consciences: Shut Up or Stay Home
This is what happens when you hand the Olympics over to a bloodthirsty, pro-terrorist, and criminal regime, you get westerners caught between their international status symbols and their countrymen saying ridiculous things.
Posted by D.J. McGuire on April 14, 2008 in International Politics | Permalink
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A few days ago you were saying that anyone with a conscience should stay home anyway. I'd have thought that by your reasoning an anti-China athlete competing in china would be a hypocrite anyway—meaning you were on the side of the folks you now accuse of saying ridiculous things.
This is what you seemed to be saying not too long ago:
1. Canada should boycott Beijing 2008 because we do not support the Chinese regime.
2. Ergo, any Canadian attending Beijing 2008 implicitly supports the Chinese regime.
3. Ergo, if a Canadian attends Beijing 2008 and does not support the Chinese Regime, they are contradicting their position against the regime, and should shut up the way a person eating a bucket of KFC should shut up about animal cruelty.
Have you changed your position on China and the games?
Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-04-14 9:07:43 AM
China sucks! Go and show the world how repressive they are.
Posted by: Markalta | 2008-04-14 12:52:02 PM
PR,
My point was that putting the Olympics in Communist China leads everyone involved to engage in some level of repression, like this.
You are right on the larger point, though, it is better for all athletes from the free world to stay home. I could have explained myself better.
Posted by: D.J. McGuire | 2008-04-14 6:27:05 PM
Let them go and form their own opinions, first hand.
The olympic park, village, and all associated venues should be considered international territory for the entire event. Don't worry, the local athletes, and citizens will give the visitors the scoop on how things really work over there.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-14 6:43:55 PM
"You are right on the larger point, though, it is better for all athletes from the free world to stay home."
Still, your country is talking about "quiet diplomacy" regarding the Olympics held in China. Isnt that "strange" from a country that couldnt wait it's own Congress and UN approval before invading a country because it was such a "bloodthirsty, pro-terrorist, and criminal regime"...
Or is it "a gain in maturity"...?
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-14 6:48:31 PM
McGuire I really don't know whether to conclude that you are a fifth columnist of some sort, or else a neocon caricature and/or hoax. It just keeps getting better: you are so hopelessly hidebound to kindergarten calibre neo-fascist talking points that is would be laughable were you not so brazenly evil, stupid and banal.
The US is host to the BIGGEST GOVERNMENT IN HISTORY. The US and Canada are far more communist than Communist China. In China last year I could freely buy a kit from which to MAKE A GUN, and was able to light up a cigarette (I am a non-smoker, so save the health-lecture, loser), on top of all that, I sampled a delectable regional dish made from bovine brain! ALL things that are illegal in North America. My hosts and business partners PAID VIRTUALLY NO TAXES and were subject to virtually no regulations, licensings, and other assorted paper burdens. You are part of the loser neocon collective that seeks to create an enemy out of not only the Chinese government, but also of the Chinese people, culminatinng, of course, in war that would see tax dollars kicked back to some wished for hate-tank you fantasize about staffing. Eff off and die, loser.
Posted by: Fip Bevins | 2008-04-14 11:55:05 PM
Fip Bevins, you are a liar and a ChiCom plant. Go sell your lies somewhere else. We are onto you. How does it feel shilling for a fascist ChiCom state that harvests organs from its own people. You are likely a Liberal party operative. How is your buddy, Mo Commie Strong these days, eh?
Ooh, the neo-con bogeyman again. You truly are a dipshit.
Posted by: Faramir | 2008-04-15 10:02:52 AM
Hey Fip, how was the cow brain? You forgot to mention that your hosts and business partners were corrupt party officials that share kickbacks.
Along with no taxes comes no service. With corrupt party members syphoning off money that should have been collected as tax, the average "citizen" gets almost no benefits from the party. A country that functions on bribes and kickbacks will never rise above third world status.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-15 10:18:19 AM
Actually, gentlemen, I studied and now work from time to time in China as well as Viet Nam and Thailand.
Most business ventures in China are private. Party officials and cronies, whose only function is to maintain offices in order to pursue what was once known in my good ol' USA homeland as "graft", are actually a tiny tiny minority. And at that, "bribes" are a far more agreeable tribute to submit to than dealing with North American governments. A bribe -- or "gift" as we term them when in China and Viet Nam -- are usually very small, and service is instantaneous.
China's government does actually provide quite a few services, but overuse and abuse is actively dicsouraged. Despite decades of a Maoist tyranny, most Chinese are very very self reliant, unlike most Americans, and, I imagine, most Canadians. Mutual aid type societies and very hands-on charities are endemic in China. You could not trip and fall without encountering a "help club" on the way down.
I don't know what kind of business Mr. Bevins is in, but he is right about the tendency to malign China and smear the country based on the doings of a miniscule minority of CPC hacks, who in the end, are far less onerous than North American bureaucrats. And as for the organ harvesting? OMG -- this is like saying that the Germans bayonetted Belgian babies in WW1. Don't be ridiculous. Whether neocon racism or simply lazy journalism, China stories in the West tend to be very fictional.
Posted by: Test ProtocolTaylor | 2008-04-16 12:02:37 AM
Test - you are a Liberal hack. How does it feel to support a political party that is a stooge for the ChiComs? Mo Strong and Power Corp anyone? You are a bought and paid for shill and no one here is fooled.
I guess you missed where those bodies come from that are being displayed across North America?
Or what about the fact that the ChiComs regularly bulldoze the homes of private citizens with no recompense?
Posted by: Faramir | 2008-04-16 12:10:04 PM
My goodness, I didn't realize what a paradise China has become. Would you please tell me, Test, where I can access information on moving to China? it sounds exactly like the sort of place I'd be comfortable in.
Things must have changed a whole lot since my girlfriend left in 1980. I wish I could talk her into moving back, but she clings to a lot of outdated beliefs. Watching her aunt's public humiliation and beatings has clouded her judgement. I mean, really, they allowed her to commit suicide after a couple of days. Taking food to her parents, in prison because he questioned the "great leap forward" was a character builder. Hell, she was 9 years old. Plenty mature to look after 3 younger siblings. I think she may have imagined the incident where she and her classmates got covered in blood spatter when they hid in the bushes near an execution site.
I hope you can help me convince her that things are different now, test. I'd feel so bad if I miss an apportunity to live in the paradise of PRC.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-16 12:40:10 PM
Doubtless the shills here could care less about the personal experiences of those that suffered. As long as the ChiComs feed them what they want to hear and they can keep making money in China, they are more than happy to hold their hands over their ears and go "la la la la"
Posted by: Faramir | 2008-04-16 4:36:17 PM
I have never seen so much China bashings as on here. Even when there is another side to the storys one or two of these China-haters make up complainings about things to justify and perpetuate their hatred.
These neoconservatives do not need facts. Everybodys who disagree with them is a "Liberal" or a "shill" for Chinese government.
It is very sad Faramir and DP that you have poor intellects and hatreds for things you do not know. That is the bases of racism, hatreds and ignorances. DP, I have hard times beleiving you have a "girl friend" especially one from China, considering your hatred and obvious inability to relate to peoples. Maybe a mail order bride for you from Russia with love? ;-)
DP: you are living in a delusional world of hate and ignorances. You don't believe there is a changes in China since already 1980?!?!?! I run oil services in North America and I can tell you that is way easier to do business in China and with Chinese than in Canada. Here, the government is more "Communist". You seems to me as an old, old man stuck in the hate of the 1970s Cold War. Good lucks to you getting help!
Posted by: Paolo Jiminez | 2008-04-17 2:48:33 PM
Thanks PJ, for showing me my true feelings.
If I remember that far back, the cold war involved the Soviet Union. But then an old old man might be mistaken.
Which oil services do you run? Pump gas at a Shell station?
I bought a cute little Philipino one time, but had to send her back. The Russians are too dangerous to mess with.
By the way, in order to know if there have been changes since 1980, you'd need to observe conditions from the 80's till present day. Only an old old man would have that uninterrupted observation.
I also find it hard to swallow that a communist government would be less communist than an elected free enterprise government. Why do they call them communist?
And finally, I don't hate the Chinese. I don't even hate the regime. You can't hate something you've never experienced. I only repeat what I hear from Chinese immigrants, who absolutely hate the regime. They picked up and left with the clothes on their backs, left family behind, risked everything to escape the communist regime. Who am I to call all those people ignorant, liars, bigots?
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-17 5:14:16 PM
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