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Friday, March 21, 2008

Is Obama a Foreign Citizen?

Over at the National Review, Jim Geraghty wonders, given that passport records don't contain travel records, just what the people snooping in Obama's file were looking for.

Let me offer a suggestion.

Obama was born on August 4th, 1961 - before Kenya became an independent nation.  However, when Kenya became independent two years later the Kenyan Constitution provided the following:

Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.

In plainer English, it's quite possible that Obama acquired Kenyan Citizenship at birth.  More than that, I've been wondering - and it's possible that the people who were looking at these files were wondering the same thing - how Obama travelled to Kenya in the late 1980's.

Kenya isn't a Visa Waiver country now, and I doubt if it was in 1988.  Presumably, as is the case in any other country, he'd have had to go to the Kenyan Embassy or consulate for a Visa to travel.  However, I imagine that it's quite possible that, once there, he might have had a conversation with the consular official which went something like this:

OFFICIAL: Why do you want to travel to Kenya?

OBAMA: My father was Kenyan.  I want to go and visit his family and see where I came from.

OFFICIAL: Oh.  You don't need a Visa then.  Do you have your birth certificate?

(Obama hands it over)

OFFICIAL (Con't): Yes, yes.  If your father was Kenyan, then you're a citizen as well.

OBAMA: Really?  Neato.

But, if you add to that, there's actually another potential issue here.

In what status did the "Barry Soetoro" of the late 1960's and early 1970's reside in Indonesia?  I can't find an exact copy of the 1958 Indonesian Nationality Law online, but a brief review suggests that it's possible, especially given that Obama's step-father was an Indonesian government official, that Obama might have taken Indonesian nationality.

After all, if one reads about his background, it seems to be fairly clear that his stay in Indonesia (where he attended local schools and was taught in the local language) was intended to be permanent.

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Posted by: Paulo | 2008-03-21 11:07:41 AM


If this turns out to be true and they give Obama a pass which they likely will have to at this point, or maybe not ...

Does this mean that Arnold Schwarzenegger can run for president too?

It makes sense that once a person has live in a country for say 25 years as a citizen in good standing, why can't they run for any office in the land?

Although I think the communist Obama and his black liberation front should be run out of office on a rail.

Posted by: John West | 2008-03-21 11:40:24 AM


Mr Obamas father entered the US as HER MAJESTYS CROWN SUBJECT from the colony of Kenya which later become HER MAJESTYS DOMINION,hence he acquired allegiance to the Queen,later the same section on citizenship says"""that a person born outside Kenya and holding the citizenship of his birth country then looses his Kenyan Citizenship upon reaching the age of 21.
Mr Obama was born in the US which is not part of the British COMMONWEALTH, so he is not also recognized as a commonwealth citizen by Kenyan law,so he cannot vote or stand/run for an elective post in the UK or serve in the British Military like other kenyans.HE cannot live like other commonwealth citizens in Kenya under the commonwealth law. So Mr Obama is still American

Posted by: james | 2008-03-21 12:42:06 PM


Mr Obamas father entered the US as HER MAJESTYS CROWN SUBJECT from the colony of Kenya which later become HER MAJESTYS DOMINION,hence he acquired allegiance to the Queen,later the same section on citizenship says"""that a person born outside Kenya and holding the citizenship of his birth country then looses his Kenyan Citizenship upon reaching the age of 21.
Mr Obama was born in the US which is not part of the British COMMONWEALTH, so he is not also recognized as a commonwealth citizen by Kenyan law,so he cannot vote or stand/run for an elective post in the UK or serve in the British Military like other kenyans.HE cannot live like other commonwealth citizens in Kenya under the commonwealth law. So Mr Obama is still American

Posted by: james | 2008-03-21 12:44:11 PM


Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, ergo he is a native born US citizen. It doesn't matter where his parents are from - he meets the requirements to stand for the office of President. Obama may, however, be the first president in a very long time to have been the son of an immigrant, in this case his Kenyan father.

Senator McCain is also a native born US citizen even though he was born in Panama. Both his parents were citizens (Father born in Iowa, Mother in Texas), so his nativity is inherent regardless that he was born outside of the country. If this had been a serious issue, it would have been resolved a long time ago.

Senator Clinton is of course from the Planet Mars and means to bring doom to humanity. Ha ha ha, just kidding.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-03-21 1:35:35 PM


I did a little digging and was shocked to discover that both George Washington AND Andrew Jackson was born a citizen of the British Empire. They're always bending the rules for Democrats and independents!

Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-03-21 2:55:19 PM


Apparently his whole church is foreign. This comes from the church website:

"We are an African people, and we remain “true to our native land”, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

God bless them, and send them back on a boat to Africa, if they consider themselves African, not American. I'm sure they would be grateful to get the chance to be repatriated.

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-03-21 4:04:39 PM


Zeb: Prior to Jimmah Carter ceding Panama to the Panamanians, the Panama Canal Zone was indeed US territory. Ergo, John McCain was born on US soil and is indeed a true American citizen. Same with Obama, who was born in Hawaii. Hawaii was admitted into the Union before the Magic Negro was born, so he is indeed a US citizen as well.

Yoshida, although I find your posts are generally
interesting and timely to a certain extent, I find this one to be stretching it. Quit nit-picking and find something of substance to post.
We all will have enough to say about these Pinkos in the ensuing months without bringing up this
non-issue.

Posted by: atric | 2008-03-21 4:14:02 PM


Hold on, hold on - my point here isn't that Obama isn't eligible for the Presidency or whatever.

It's that he might be in a position rather similar to that of Citizen Dion.

Posted by: Adam Yoshida | 2008-03-21 4:42:54 PM


I was born in kenya. I became a Canadian citizen in 1992. By that act, I automatically lost my Kenyan citizenship. When I travel to Kenya, I am considered a foreign national. I have to purchase a visa, which is stamped "3 months". They see my name is Kenyan but they never say " You were born in Kenya, just walk in." Why would they say that to Obama who was not even born in Kenya?

--
The Constitution of Kenya

Dual citizenship
1. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
2. * A person who
1. has attained the age of twenty-one years before 12th December, 1963; and
2. becomes a citizen of Kenya on that day by virtue of section 87; and
3. is immediately after that day also a citizen of some country other than Kenya.
shall subiect to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country. taken the oath of allegiance and. in the case of a person who is a citizen of Kenya by virtue of section 87 (2), made and registered such decIaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
3. A citizen of Kcnya shall, subject to subsection (7). cease to be such a citizen if-
1. having attained the age of twenty-one years, he acquires the citizenship of some country other than Kenya by voluntary act (other than marriage); or
2. having attained the age of twenty-one years. hc otherwise acquires the dtizenship of some country other than Kenya and has not. by the specified date. renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.


Posted by: ralf | 2008-03-21 9:43:35 PM


WHAT THE BEST OF MINDS CARE TO KNOW IS THE EXACT BIRTH TIME OF MR. B. O....WHEN CAN WE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BE PRIVY TO THAT VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION....WHAT MAKES THIS MAN.....REALLY TICK OR NOT TIC....CAN ANYONE HELP...
AND BECAUSE HIS GRANDMOTHERS OLD AND WON'T TALK TO ANYONE...IS THAT SO SHE WON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY PERSONAL QUESTION AND HARM HIS SHOT TO BE YOUR PRESIDENT? JUST A VERY CONCERNED AMERICAN.

Posted by: Rusty | 2008-03-24 3:37:52 PM


Rusty. See the key three down from the top left. The one with a light on? Press it. There, no more caps-lock! Now you can type in upper and lowercase like the rest of us. Cool huh?

Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-03-24 3:47:20 PM


No one has seen any proof that Obama was born a US citizen, unless he showed his birth certificate to get his passport. Needless to say that one can have a US passport without having been born a US citizen. What is he hiding?

Posted by: Joseph | 2008-04-23 12:58:18 PM



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