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Put it on ice
Globe and Mail: Canada steps up fight for the Arctic
Another volley has been launched in the battle for the Arctic, with Canada announcing Friday that two new military facilities will be built in the Arctic in a bid to boost its sovereign claim to the fabled Northwest Passage.
See also Reuters: Experts say UN must decide on Arctic claim and AP: Denmark maps Arctic ridge in race for polar sovereignty
Posted by Kevin Steel on August 10, 2007 in International Affairs | Permalink
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This is a complete waste of time. I hope Mr. Harper is not serious, and just appealing to some temporary popular sentiment over this issue.
If the Liebrals/Dippers were doing this, I would fly a Danish flag from my car to protest it.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 11:42:37 AM
Northern resource development has long been a source of concern for interests in Canada and has long been an issue dodged by successive governments. Use it or lose it.
Posted by: DML | 10-Aug-07 12:11:52 PM
DML: but it's not under threat.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 12:23:06 PM
Sovereignty represents control and the ability to control usage. Would we like the Russians with their crappy environmental record,drilling for oil? how about storing their clapped out Nuke fleet? The main argument for asserting Sovereignty is to preserve and protect the Arctic
Posted by: nick | 10-Aug-07 12:28:17 PM
From who?
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 12:35:33 PM
From whom, dear Sir! lol!
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 12:37:26 PM
Zeb you are right - the people advocating this nonsense have never been to Resolute Bay I'll wager, nor flown over the Arctic in Winter which is downright dangerous and requires special skills and
equipment, the same applies to Ships, plus the fact that Canada's Patrol Frigates are not designed to operate in frigid waters nor ice conditions. The estimate for land based resources is simply put, wrong. We just completed a Proposal for a145,000 sq foot state of the art aircraft maintenace hanger to be built in the State of NY, which will cost in excess of $17.5 million US but will use Canadian NB steel and cladding (fibreglass reinforced precast concrete) -getting building materials into Resolute has not been thought out I'll also wager. We do not need an Arctic presence, airborne patrols are the right way to go. The socialist nerds who advocate such nonsense would only last a few days in the frozen North (which might not be a bad thing) this is just another bad plan by a slovenly public service
-no surprise to us - way to do these projects is by the Private sector with a long term lease to purchase -thats how the DEW Line was built, mostly by the US/Canadian Firm Drake Merritt. Macleod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 10-Aug-07 12:40:17 PM
Jack: I haven't been further north than Edmonton, so I have no experience with the Arctic. I do, however, know a waste of time and money when I see it. This more than qualifies as both.
Canada's real, current military requirements are for operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, not the high Arctic. The frigates, tanks and C-17s must not be wasted against wholly imagined 'threats' from the same countries that are fighting alongside our troops in Afghanistan.
I have an idea - put a flag, a webcam, and a battery at the tip of Baffin Island. If the camera sees anything, send an angry letter to the Globe and Mail.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 12:51:59 PM
I think this is a good idea. Protect our own land and stay out of someone elses business in the Middle East or Africa.
Posted by: Edmontonian | 10-Aug-07 1:18:30 PM
I agree that the presnt proposals don't make sense but protecting Canadian interests in the Arctic does make sense. One air patrol per week solves nothing- too little, too late. Yes, I have done arctic patrols, albeit long ago when the average temp was lower. The present government may be looking at global warming to open us the Arctic to travel through more of the year. As a non-scientist I don't know if that will happen. If it does, we will have to exercise our presence more. That will mean more than the occasional air patrol and extending the Canadian Rangers and their quota of 303 ammo.
Posted by: DML | 10-Aug-07 1:24:17 PM
But what if someone from the Middle East or Africa involves themselves in our business, like they did on 9/11? The Arctic is a diversion from real issues. I hope Mr. Harper is doing it to help him win a majority in the next election. If he wins, then the Arctic can take a back seat like it always has.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 1:24:36 PM
ZP, they attacked USA on 9/11.
Posted by: Edmontonian | 10-Aug-07 1:28:26 PM
Interesting monkey-in-the-middle twist.
For years, the organ grinders claimed, Canada should have stayed out of Afghanistan because Darfur was more important.
Now that the UN said it would commit to Darfur, distract from Afghanistan and claim the Arctic is more important.
For your info, Arctic sovereignty has been on PM Harper's agenda from Day 1.
If you had been paying attention, you'd know.
Afghanistan was a unilateral act by Chretien, who did not seek the courtesy of Parliamentary approval before committing Canada's troops to that sorry poppy-growing dustbowl.
Pay attention, edmontonian.
Posted by: set you free | 10-Aug-07 1:28:46 PM
And the US isn't an important Canadian interest?
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 1:31:57 PM
And the two dozen Canadians murdered on 9/11 don't matter?
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 1:33:31 PM
Yes, US is important but that still does not mean we got attacked on 9/11.
Posted by: Edmontonian | 10-Aug-07 1:38:52 PM
We weren't attacked in 1914 or 1939, yet we still went to war.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 1:39:24 PM
9/11 was not an attack by a Country. It was an attack by individuals.
Posted by: Edmontonian | 10-Aug-07 1:41:21 PM
Edmontonian wrote: ZP, they attacked USA on 9/11.
When Pike refers to "our business" he means that because he has a green card he is a sort of, kind of American. Hey Pike, when you are driving into Georgia on I-20 to shop at Arbor Place in Douglasville and get stopped by the GSP and get asked "Got any ID?", don't answer "bout what?" Unless of course you only go to Walmart and Goody's then you can stay in Alabama.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 1:46:04 PM
Ed:
Finally, a glimmer of understanding.
9/11 was an attack by individual neo-Mohammedans.
Not by a country, not by all members of the Muslim religion.
Of course, they all purport to be Muslim, which brings shame on all the rest.
More and more Muslims are rejecting this neo-Mohammedamism and converting to Christianty, a true religion of peace.
Posted by: set you free | 10-Aug-07 1:48:47 PM
I guess your parents are proud they raised a biggot, eh perish?
We are all North Americans last time I checked.
Posted by: missing link | 10-Aug-07 1:55:47 PM
Canada has conducted many, many military operations in the Arctic and High Arctic commencing in 1945 with Operation "Musk Ox" which was designed to train the Canadian Army, returning from France and Germany
to fight in sub zero weather conditions. It was this operation that led to the development of specially designed tracked vehicles that brought fame and fortune to the Bombardier Family. Some of the personnel who formed a small part of "Musk Ox" were German Army Officers who fought is Russia. Meanwhile send the big mouth media into the arctic for a year or so, to deal with the issue of who owns what. Canada as I have posted previously would be better to form joint ventures with the
Russians whose Arctic Expertise is on par with ours, and we are considered the experts. Development should be carefully thought out, focus on environmental protection because the Arctic is in fact, deadly but pristine, a great gift for the people of Canada, to serve and protect.Have been in Resolute, Cambridge Bay, Tuktuktek, which was
serviced by RCAF Units from the great party Base of Goose Bay Labrador (now NF -Labrador) shared by the RCAF and USAAF - that remains the real base to
serve an Arctic presence which we have recommended to General O'Connor and General Hillier. Whose Mother named him "Rickey" - Macleod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 10-Aug-07 2:11:37 PM
missing link wrote: We are all North Americans last time I checked.
I know it's probably a bit of a stretch to assume that you travel, but if you do, do you use a passport issued by the government of North America?
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 2:13:00 PM
Only in Canada would this issue even be an issue. Haven't you people got anything better to do?
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 2:23:22 PM
Pike. Did you get your "Stars Fell On Alabama" tag yet? In Georgia it's viewed as a pitch for federal disaster relief. hahahaha
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 2:33:45 PM
Actually I have a God Bless America tag. Good joke though!
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 10-Aug-07 2:37:34 PM
Well I still think that Parliament did us proud in the 1980s, by refusing to build a measely $500 million icebreaker to look after and patrol our North.
Thereby allowing any Tom, Dick or Harry nation to plant their national flag on the Arctic where the prize is hundreds of billions of dollars of natural resources, like oil and gas.
The King Christian Island gas well would still be burning if they hadn't put it out in the early 70s, it was so productive.
303 ammunition?
Hey, when Ottawa get rid of the flintlocks?
Posted by: rockyt | 10-Aug-07 2:44:57 PM
...it's pretty sad when a small spit of a country like Denmark can out hustle Canada in her own back yard.
Granted, Greenland is closer, but the fact remains, Canada got pushed around by a small cheeze country.
Good for Harper at least making an effort to recognize there is a nation north of the 60.
Posted by: tomax7 | 10-Aug-07 3:52:44 PM
In fact Government of Canada bought several Ice Breakers in the late "fifties and 'sixties and upgraded their existing fleet in the middle 1980's
-Ships are not the problem - proving competent crews is the real situation facing Canada Coast Guard. Pearson's Navy is not capable nor motivated to take a certified Ice Breaker to sea. In our House the Pearson Navy remains and always will be the Royal Canadian Navy. Jeez Pearson's Navy gave Peter Newman the Queen's Commission for God's sake. He had nothing to offer except his penchant for nasty gossip.Pearson's Navy almost destroyed HMCS Labrador - no surprise to my father and his friends who went to sea in the early 1920's when Canada had a real Merchant Marine (or as they called it; Merchant Service) - Canadian Ships with Canadian Crews which flew the mighty Red Ensign
which was called "The Jack Flag" by the professional seaman in the RCN, RCMP Marine Division and the Canadian Merchant Service. If Canada sends wimps to the Arctic everybody who has an interest in Arctic resources will get a great laugh -All hands except Saint Alabaster take stations for leaving harbour, without falling overboard - MacLeod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 10-Aug-07 4:15:42 PM
Don't worry. Harper already sold it to GW.
Posted by: munroe | 10-Aug-07 4:32:07 PM
Anyone can out hustle Canada. Our leaders are dolts for the most part. Chicken shit dolts actually.
It will be the Americans who will protect the NW passage for us.
Re the UN will decide who gets to control it???
What a joke. If the UN is true to form they will award it to that monkey Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Why not? ... it is Zimbabwe that currently holds the economic development portfolio for the UN last I heard.
UN nowadays stands for the United Negros organization. Toss in a few Jihadists and you have the governing world body.
Neat eh?
Posted by: John | 10-Aug-07 4:37:53 PM
The breathless pandering by the Bell Media CTV Globe and Mail reflects upon the blatant anti americanism which pervades the disgusting city of Toronto where even the loosers are overpaid (In Canadian dollars)
This current contrived situation started on CTV when Puffy Duffy and Cluelss Taber where "shocked and appalled when they discovered a US Navy SSN Nuclear Boat had "penetrated our virgin Arctic by going under the ice." I wrote O'Connor who was then an opposition MP and pointed out that the US vessel
had operated in war games with Canadian and other NATO ships for many decades, and going under the ice was a routine operation for the Boat which uses the HMCS Shearwater Jetty Halifax HRM as a port resource when US Navy SSN's visit Halifax HRM NS for R and R, which they have for many decades
-the US Navy is on our side. Despite CTV the Canadian, UK and Russian Navies all knew exactly where the US Navy SSN was at all times. Jeez Puffy Duffy would get seasick on the Dartmouth -Halifax Ferry. MacLeod
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 10-Aug-07 5:13:56 PM
JOhn,
You downplay the influence of the nutbars, by going through race.
The reason why Idi Amine had the power he had, was he was a ghuinea pig for the wahabists. While he was doing what he did, they were studying the reactions of the west. I imagine they figured that the UN would do nothing when they did the ethnic cleansing in Darfur, and they knew it--cause no one stopped Idi, when he killed the 250,00 he killed, and no one stopped his successor either, when he did the same.
So, we are surprised that it is what it is?
We will see a change with the change of hands, but it will take awhile.
Posted by: Lady | 10-Aug-07 5:18:44 PM
Ok, how about moving all jewish feamles to the nearest village? Save the flag and all...
Posted by: munroe | 10-Aug-07 5:21:30 PM
All hands except Saint Alabaster take stations for leaving harbour, without falling overboard - MacLeod
Thanks for the kind words Jack. Did you ever serve in the Navy during wartime? A relative of mine served on HMS Dorsetshire and lived to tell the tale. Now those men were tough as nails, not like the pussy's in the Merchant Marine. Have a nice weekend.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 5:57:32 PM
Denigrating the Merchant Marine is a sure sign of a loser. Many were killed in war, delivering vital supplies to attain victory.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:01:47 PM
Denigrating the Merchant Marine is a sure sign of a loser. Many were killed in war, delivering vital supplies to attain victory.
At least my relatives actually did fight.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:11:11 PM
Sure - with each other, no doubt.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:13:18 PM
Sure - with each other, no doubt.
Maybe sometimes, but they did serve their country and in a couple of cases paid with there lives to preserve our freedom, unlike tossers like you.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:19:21 PM
If they were like you, those lives weren't worth much anyways.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:20:36 PM
If they were like you, those lives weren't worth much anyways.
If you consider servicemen who did for the Allied cause in WW2 worthless, then you are nothing but a worthless ingrate piece of shit.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:24:40 PM
But he Merchant Marines who died were denigrated - by you!
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:27:05 PM
If they were like you, those lives weren't worth much anyways.
If you consider servicemen who died for the Allied cause in WW2 worthless, then you are nothing but a worthless ingrate piece of shit.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:30:42 PM
But the Merchant Marines who died were denigrated - by you!
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:31:44 PM
But he Merchant Marines who died were denigrated - by you!
Were did I denigrate Merchant Marines who died. Show me where I said that.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:33:58 PM
"Now those men were tough as nails, not like the pussy's in the Merchant Marine."
Sound familiar?
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:36:08 PM
So you consider allied servicemen who died fighting fascism worthless. What a fucking warped piece of shit you are.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:37:13 PM
Off the deep-end once again, sap. Buchananites are all alike.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:38:25 PM
"Now those men were tough as nails, not like the pussy's in the Merchant Marine."
Sound familiar?
Where does the word died or death appear?
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:39:13 PM
Nitpicker.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:40:37 PM
Off the deep-end once again, sap. Buchananites are all alike.
Trying to change the subject again. Tell me exactly whose lives where valued during WW2?
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:41:02 PM
Nitpicker.
So me tell whose lives during WW2 were of value if allied servicemen who died were not.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 6:42:39 PM
The Jewish Brigade was a fighting unit in the British Army composed of volunteers from the British Mandate of Palestine that fought in World War II on the side of the Allies against the Nazi Axis Powers.
Not to mention the tens of thousands of Jews who fought in the Canadian and US armed forces.
Hard to swallow, eh, sap?
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:47:40 PM
The Jewish Brigade was a fighting unit in the British Army composed of volunteers from the British Mandate of Palestine that fought in World War II on the side of the Allies against the Nazi Axis Powers.
So those were the only servicemen of value to you. Typical.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 7:05:05 PM
Reading what you choose to read. Typical of a bigot.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 7:09:56 PM
Reading what you choose to read. Typical of a bigot.
Smear all you like. I have the greatest respect for all our servicemen who fought and died fighting, something that you have yet to learn or appreciate but you take advantage of their deaths without the least bit of respect. You truly are a piece of shit.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 7:15:53 PM
"Now those men were tough as nails, not like the pussy's in the Merchant Marine."
Now that's showing true respect, eh?
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 7:19:23 PM
Roger Rabid rides again!
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 7:23:29 PM
"Now those men were tough as nails, not like the pussy's in the Merchant Marine." Now that's showing true respect, eh?
The Merchant Marines in Canada and the UK are made up of civilians, not servicemen.
So me tell whose lives during WW2 were of value if allied servicemen who died were not.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 7:27:07 PM
As the navigator of a destroyer that plied the North Atlantic (albeit after WWII) I can imagine what the men of the Merchant Service had to cope with. Add to that the prospect of anticipating being torpedoed and having to survive when survival was measured at two and one half minutes in freezing water. In spite of the real wages earned by merchant seamen, to sign on took real courage. Both the Royal Canadian Navy and the Merchant service members have my respect and admiration. To give them any less would be dispicable.
Posted by: DML | 10-Aug-07 7:32:07 PM
DML~
AMEN! My point exactly.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 7:34:03 PM
AMEN! My point exactly.
Your point was that servicemen who fought and died for the Allied cause during WW2 were worthless.
If they were like you, those lives weren't worth much anyways.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 6:20:36 PM
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 10-Aug-07 7:37:27 PM
Projecting once again. Typical bigot.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 7:41:18 PM
AS they say in Fexas: Tuck you.
Posted by: obc | 10-Aug-07 8:16:30 PM
The Southam Press today published an article despairing that the Mulroney government backed off of a deal to purchase a Polar 8 icebreaker ($500,000,00) from SNC Lavalin because the cost was too high. The reason that the contract was going to go to Lavalin is because, as usual, the grateful government was trying to buy votes in Quebec. A far better design was available from a company in Calgary. It was for a Polar 6. Prior to that the Calgary design company had had Polar 4s built for use in the Baltic Sea by the Swedish government. The ships were so successful that one of them went (with the design team aboard) all the way to the North Pole where the members of the design team went for a swim. Check the archives of the old Alberta Report for the story.
On another note for those who question the absolute bravery and heroism of the merchant seamen, read Farley Mowats book "Grey Seas Under". It is a super read and well worth your time and effort.
Posted by: DML | 10-Aug-07 8:34:14 PM
I would never have thought that even a nerd from Toronto would post negative remarks about the Canadian Merchant Service. My family contributed much to the Royal Canadian Navy and the Merchant Service between the Wars and During World War II -their names are engraved in the Memorial to the
Battle of the Atlantic Point Pleasant Park Halifax HRM NS. Three of our family were decorated as members of the RCNVR fighting German Submarines in the North Atlantic, all recorded in the official History of the Royal Canadian Navy.Saint Alabaster
has never been on a real Merchant Ship nor a fighting ship of the RCN -RCNVR -just a Toronto based professional windbag and bullshitter, should be eliminated from this site for his anti-Canadian remarks - Real Canadians cannot support a French Citoyen for Prime Minister of Canada. Dion will give the Bride way at Brison's Wedding and then vanish - Macleod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 11-Aug-07 5:34:24 AM
It's thanks to our Ancestors who served in two World wars, creeps and scum can sit at their computers and spew venom. Criticizing those who made the ultimate sacrifice is as low as anyone can go.
These are the same people who are arguing for terrorists by criticizing all efforts to fight it in places like Afghanistan. Terrorism is the scourge of this century whose "army" cloaked in religious or civilian clothing kills innocents under the banner of Islam. Their hatred is so deep they strap bombs to their children to go forth and kill. Sick as any form of humanity can get.
Sadly we have shameless people here supporting them while our servicemen and women are fighting it in a far off land.
During our two world wars, support was phenomenal and unwavering for our fighting forces on land, sea and air. That WAS our Canada.
The new demographic, due to non-European immigration and Lefty creep, has changed all that. Reason being, we are fighting something which is supported by too many of those who have come here to seek comfort and safety while supporting their homelands, mostly pure tinderbox hell holes.
Too many came with baggage loaded with hate for our Western Democracies and way of life. It's looking very bleak for us as a strong and united nation. Much blame can be put on Multiculturalism gone amok. We stand for nothing close to what this country was built on.
Posted by: LizJ | 11-Aug-07 7:02:34 AM
SNC Lavalin do not build ships, know them well they did preliminary engineering in association with Government of Canada and Halifax County for the AeroTech Business Park Halifax NS - They have very strong Liberal connections -Mulroney would not have contacted them under any circumstance regarding a request by the then Transport Canada Coast Guard
to "build" a new Icebreaker -Mulroney's political flunkies would have talked with Davey Shipbuilding Quebec -one of the world's best shipyards -still
is - Media ignorance is the greatest problem for an unsuspecting public to deal with. A "Alberta" designed "icebreaker"! thanks for a good laugh!
Macleod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 11-Aug-07 7:35:37 AM
We are hearing that Premier Danny "Millions" Williams Ll.B Hons Oxon will claim the Arctic and North Pole for Newfoundland and Labrador -says he will negotiate for a price. Watch for reaction from Taliban Jack Layton and Citoyen Dion! - Premier Williams was a formidable operator in Newfoundland and Canadian Superior Courts - possible replacement for Harper as time unravels. MacLeod
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 11-Aug-07 9:25:43 AM
"Zionism is a racist ideology based on ethno-religious supremacy. They are practioners of apartheid. They fear democracy and are tried to ethnically cleanse the remaining Palestinians in Palestine."
There are many prosperous Palestinians working in Israel. There are no Israelis working in any Muslim countries. They are not allowed in. Is that what you mean by cleansing, allowing Palestinians to work along side Jews for money in a free environment?
If ever there was a gang of religious supremacists it is Islam. I think that is what the Jihad is about is it not?
AND ROGER ... YOU MOTHER IS A GOAT LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Posted by: John | 11-Aug-07 10:52:14 AM
"I would never have thought that even a nerd from Toronto would post negative remarks about the Canadian Merchant Service."
Only the sap's relatives are worthy of honour for serving in the armed forces. Everyone else's - especially Jeeeeewish ones, are not worthy of mention.
Witness:
"Now those men were tough as nails, not like the pussy's in the Merchant Marine."
Posted by: obc | 11-Aug-07 11:08:57 AM
For a detailed comprehensive perspective of the proposed Canadian Arctic protection project go to the current (August 2007) pages of CASR DND 101
whose editors and contributors have undertaken a great deal of research -best on the net. Harper's "proposed policies and investment will not work"
most of his advisors have never been in the Canadian Arctic, nor have been to sea, especially the North Atlantic. CASR Researchers have obviously talked to
mostly Atlantic Canada professionals in the CCG and
the Newfoundland-and Nova Scotia fishing fleets,who know something about the North Atlantic
-don't go out without a Life Jacket! MacLeod
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 11-Aug-07 11:24:42 AM
It should not be surprising that Toronto people hold veterans in contempt. They hold pretty much everyone who isn't them (i.e. white, rich, Protestant) in contempt. What a society!
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 11-Aug-07 11:28:05 AM
John, have you ever known a person to do so much laughing out loud at nothing? Well, actually he's obviously amusing himself at something else.
Anyway, LOL is one acronym we have had about enough of, looks like it's quite appealing to a certain element who have little to laugh about.
Posted by: LizJ | 11-Aug-07 12:07:05 PM
Roger the Raghead is referring to the Honorable Brian Tobin PC, MP former politician known as Captain Canada especially most of whom who know that Lyin Brian sent the Pearson Navy to grab a Ship registered in the United Kingdom and not Portugal or Spain -Jeez!
-what ever happened to the former High School Teacher and PM wannabe who talked himself out of Politics -I'll bet Citoyen Dion has never heard of
him - Premier Danny Millions Williams would get a good laugh out of Roger the Raghead's Tobin Post -who would'nt recognize Tobin if he collided with him while riding his goat - MacLeod
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 11-Aug-07 1:34:49 PM
Roger the Raghead is referring to the Honorable Brian Tobin PC, MP former politician known as Captain Canada especially most of whom who know that Lyin Brian sent the Pearson Navy to grab a Ship registered in the United Kingdom and not Portugal or Spain -Jeez!
-what ever happened to the former High School Teacher and PM wannabe who talked himself out of Politics -I'll bet Citoyen Dion has never heard of
him - Premier Danny Millions Williams would get a good laugh out of Roger the Raghead's Tobin Post -who would'nt recognize Tobin if he collided with him while riding his goat - MacLeod
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 11-Aug-07 1:35:14 PM
Roger said that now the Russians are a threat.
Throughout the entire Cold War, the Liebral/Dipper Party said that the Russians, as the USSR, could be reasoned with. Pierre the Terrible himself praised the USSR as a model society, conveniently ignoring (or secretly praising) the use of slave labor. They reduced Cdn Forces committed to Europe and NATO in the 60s and 70s to boot. They denounced the nuclear sub deal in the 80s.
NOW, they decry the lack of action against the Russian "menace" in the Arctic. What rot. Their hypocrisy now seems limitless. I wish Harper would just ignore it and concentrate on real security issues, like fighting terrorists in Afghanistan.
If the Russians really were a threat, they'd have the ability to get their flag back.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 11-Aug-07 1:50:09 PM
Jack MacLeod: Are you privy to who's invited to the biggest wedding of the summer,well, the biggest side show of the summer? The member from Kings Hants is hitching up with another with the same plumbing, guess they'll work it out. We'll know which is the Alpha by who carries the bouquet.
Posted by: LizJ | 11-Aug-07 4:05:19 PM
Aren't plumbers overpaid?
Posted by: obc | 11-Aug-07 4:06:30 PM
No, OBC, they are not.
Posted by: munroe | 11-Aug-07 6:55:59 PM
Union plumbers definitely are overpaid. And they have a surly attitude, too.
Posted by: obc | 11-Aug-07 6:59:07 PM
Wow, now we're into plumber's wages and it all started with a comment about Brison "marrying" someone with the same plumbing?
No matter, as long as they don't go plumbing the depths of depravity.
Remember calender boy Brison''s nude pose, main tools hidden behind fridge door?
This must be the year for same sex unions in the political realm in Canaduh.
Gorgeous George Smitherman, Liberal MPP, Ontario, got hitched up with his whatever you call it this past weekend, so he's the trail blazer.
May they all have a moony-spoony-swoony honeymoon and happy united bliss.
Posted by: LizJ | 11-Aug-07 7:53:18 PM
Jack Macleod wrote: I would never have thought that even a nerd from Toronto would post negative remarks about the Canadian Merchant Service.
Jack, I don't live in Toronto, you've made the mistake of turning an assumption into what you believe to be a fact. You really are disappointing. While at times you have something interesting to say, it's generally an incoherent babble. What was nothing more than a mild jibe reveals a humourless, pompous old windbag who lives in a backwoods nowhere of a place and tries to impress everyone with his irrelevant "inside" knowledge. You bore me. You don't want debate you want play the role of professor where everybody shakes their head in agreement with what you have said. You are in good company with your fawning toadie LizJ, the Toronto hater Pike who probably was laughed at when he lived there because his girlfriend looked like Whoopi Goldberg or Queen Latifa. He's living in a place now where he can find them by the thousand. You'll find obc most supportive. If you were 18 and this was 1941 he would be behind you, as far behind you as he could get as you went off to serve. As for being "banned" for this site, how many people read what's written here, 200 or 300 people maybe. In the larger scheme of things this site is irrelevant. Don't bother responding as this is my last post here. I'll stick with true conservative sites because this site isn't one of them. Have a nice weekend.
Posted by: St Albion Parish News | 11-Aug-07 8:28:08 PM
Good riddance to bad rubbish!
Posted by: obc | 11-Aug-07 8:41:09 PM
SAP,
Don't let the door hit your pompous ass on the way out.
Posted by: deepblue | 11-Aug-07 9:04:53 PM
Jack, I may have got the company wrong- fair comment but I did get the story right and the design firm in Calgary is real. Check the AR archives or contact Ted Byfield before you collapse in fits of giggles.
Posted by: DML | 11-Aug-07 9:27:08 PM
So John, when the Russians and the Danes are fouling around with our sovereignty and threaten to whoop our butt if we react, you blame the Negroes. You're definitely the typical ignorant American wannabe dirty white trash who can never put up a fight with somebody who's his size but will try to lash out at weak. What a scavenger. Let me guess. You must be from either Alberta or BC.
By the way, did you see the welcome the Yankees give the French president? Harper, even with some good ole westerners’ asskissings, will never have such respect from the states
Posted by: GR | 11-Aug-07 9:33:51 PM
. .. . and if Harper DID get such a greeting, the America bashers would call him Bush's poodle.
What crapola you spout, GR.
Posted by: obc | 11-Aug-07 9:38:02 PM
Nope, It's all about respect. Period.
Posted by: GR | 11-Aug-07 9:53:21 PM
I'll get back to you when your off your period.
Posted by: obc | 11-Aug-07 9:54:22 PM
The truth hurts so bad. I'd rather have my period
Posted by: GR | 11-Aug-07 9:57:01 PM
Roger Rabid rides again!
Posted by: obc | 11-Aug-07 10:00:20 PM
Liz: Scotty Brison's Wedding is the Liberal and Socialist Horde's social event of the year in Rodney the Fiddler's Nova Scotia real questions are" which is the bride, Scotty or Maxie -who will give the Bride away or rent him-her? Will Citoyen Dion attend
the event? Confusion is the operative word here.
veteran politicians some Tory, some Liberal don't know if they should attend or send a card. Big city "media" will be represented by Saint Alabaster's Family Journal - HIV Aids drugs will be distributed free of charge. Munroe the moron not invited -could'nt answer the skill testing questions. Brison's partner is a lawyer from Moncton via Ottawa and Michael Moore's Sicko production - how appropriate. Striking example of PM Martin's take on connubial sodomy. Macleod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 12-Aug-07 4:49:53 AM
Someone please play the Last Post for the Saint of Albion, he's gone, well under that pseudonym at least, we'll be awaiting his return with a fresh moniker.
Looks like we're hitting too close to home, striking some nerves for the Muzzie called roger too, he's certainly obsessed with the Harper Conservatives.
Back to the Scotty-Maxie Sodomy nuptials, a more important topic for our Liberal "friends", do they both toss a garter or would it be more likely a thong, red of course?
Posted by: LizJ | 12-Aug-07 5:51:58 AM
Gay MPP, George Smitherman of the Ontario House got hitched to his partner with same tools or whatever they're called, this past weekend. When asked some time ago what he would wear, he said he might wear a thong.
Seems Liberals have a thing for thongs. They had red thongs partnered with red condoms at their convention. Very fitting, they've been screwing the people of this country for far too long, they finally did it to themselves at the leadership convention.
Posted by: LizJ | 12-Aug-07 6:01:03 AM
British Papers - are reporting that the sub surface Russian Flag photograph appearing in the Liberal and Socialist Horde Media in Canada is faked - what a surprise! that the inept and politically motivated
Canadian Media are conned by a group of clever Russians -they are still laughing in Moscow. If the Russians claim the "North Pole" will a Passport be necessary to visit? some years ago before sophisticated aerospace electronics flying over the real North Pole was dangerous because proximity to the Pole could and did destroy compass accuracy. No
GPS in those days -Kenting Aviation Ottawa, a group of former Wartime RCAF and RAF aircrews mapped the entire arctic while contracted by the government of Canada. MacLeod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 12-Aug-07 8:16:38 AM
Jack~
The Cnd. media can't be totally blamed for this fiasco. Al-Reuters, caught photo shopping last year in Lebanon, is up to its old tricks. And they were exposed by a 13-year old lad in Finland who recognized the fraud and blew the whistle.
The media here runs with press releases and wire services. They are too lazy to investigate on their own. This is why they are dropping viewers and subscribers. Folks are learning that reliable sites on the Internet are providing the news without colouring the facts.
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 8:51:11 AM
And here's another example of the above:
"Queen sends in lawyers over 'royal rage' film"
Sunday Telegraph
The Queen has instructed her lawyers to take action over the way a BBC programme trailer misrepresented her by suggesting she had stormed out of a photo shoot.
Farrer & Co, solicitors to the Queen, have written to RDF Media Group, the film company which made the programme for the corporation. It is understood the letter - and a similar one to the BBC - warns that the programme makers have put themselves in breach of contract by their actions.
Senior officials at Buckingham Palace now believe the programme has been "tainted" by the fiasco, which threatened to damage the Queen's reputation. There is growing pressure on the makers of A Year With the Queen to scrap it.
The Queen's lawyers have pored over contracts drawn up between the three parties - Buckingham Palace, the BBC and RDF - before filming began. One senior source said: "There are now serious doubts whether this programme will ever see the light of day."
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 9:00:03 AM
Thanks for your comments ABC and you are absolutely right about Canadian Media - lazy and incompetent. Some Years ago I just happened to stand next to
Minister Stockwell Day at the Battle of the Atlantic Memorial HMCS Sackville Halifax NS - he asked me the significance of the statue of a RCN Rating carrying his hammock on his way to his Ship, which was often seen in Halifax in World War II - Puffy Duffy was next to us, and contrived a totally false report of what Minister Day said while the event proceeded
-Duffy is known as a slob in the world of Atlantic Canada Journalism. Frank Magazine have done several numbers on Senator wannabe Duffy, who is a Liberal clone aside from being a notorious gossip. MacLeod. Minister Day was impressed with the fully
restored Town Class Corvette, HMCS Sackville.
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 12-Aug-07 9:36:04 AM
Thanks for your comments ABC and you are absolutely right about Canadian Media - lazy and incompetent. Some Years ago I just happened to stand next to
Minister Stockwell Day at the Battle of the Atlantic Memorial HMCS Sackville Halifax NS - he asked me the significance of the statue of a RCN Rating carrying his hammock on his way to his Ship, which was often seen in Halifax in World War II - Puffy Duffy was next to us, and contrived a totally false report of what Minister Day said while the event proceeded
-Duffy is known as a slob in the world of Atlantic Canada Journalism. Frank Magazine have done several numbers on Senator wannabe Duffy, who is a Liberal clone aside from being a notorious gossip. MacLeod. Minister Day was impressed with the fully
restored Town Class Corvette, HMCS Sackville.
Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 12-Aug-07 9:36:19 AM
The Washington Post (garbage!) today has an article in which the columnist makes fun of Fred Thompson's first name.
HER first name is Monica. What does THAT conjure up???
The left-wing media is comprised of whores!
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 10:38:59 AM
Hillary got her name because her parents were honoring Sir Edmund Hillary - the conqueror of Mt. Everest. That's what Mrs. Clinton claimed years ago. The fact that she was born BEFORE that event took place must be ignored.
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 11:11:56 AM
obc: "AS they say in Fexas: Tuck you."
...is that like lowing my mawn?
Posted by: tomax7 | 12-Aug-07 12:27:42 PM
Your funny, tomax7 !!!
marilyn could use some humour lessons from you!
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 12:29:56 PM
I only insult the pedophile prophet, piss be on him forevermore.
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 1:48:09 PM
The title of this thread is Put it on ice.
BJ Clinton - after his rape of Juanita Broderick while serving as Arkansas' Attorney-General - and having severely bitten her lip, told her on his way out of the room:
"Put some ice on it."
Roger Rabid:
"Put some ice on it."
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 1:51:58 PM
...someone else needs constitution on their keyboard obc...
Posted by: tomax7 | 12-Aug-07 3:56:36 PM
...MAYBE IS SHOULD SAY IT THIS WAY...SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS CONSTITUTION ON THEIR KEYBOARD OBC.
...gee, that felt great, haven't yelled in a while ya know.
;-)
Posted by: tomax7 | 12-Aug-07 3:57:52 PM
They utilize each other. One sleeping bag will also cut down on costs.
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 6:00:24 PM
I hope next weeks cock-up with Mr. fancy pants from King-Hants gets full coverage from the MSM. I really,really hope that the long deep "kiss the bride" moment is publicized and shown over and over. This may change a few minds,make a few people think. Better yet,maybe a few wedding pictures of a 60 year-old man marrying his 15 year-old Cuban boyfriend. Hey,this is truly progressive love,only in a progressive Canada.
Posted by: wallyj | 12-Aug-07 6:25:41 PM
"the long deep "kiss the bride" moment is publicized and shown over and over. This may change a few minds"
IT SURE WILL ! But not the way YOU think. Most decent people find that kind of behaviour disgusting! And to see it in public? They may yet vote for Mr. Harper, just to alleviate their feelings of horror.
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 6:29:33 PM
OBC,time to step back for a bit,maybe take a break,have a snickers.
Posted by: wallyj | 12-Aug-07 7:08:37 PM
Reading your posts gives me all the snickers I need!
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 7:12:01 PM
Dammit,I am on your side.I want the public to see two moustaches rubbing. The hypocrisy of many is that they will support the "progressive" view of SSM,but will not be able to watch two men swap spit,but are afraid to be labelled as "out of touch".Go back and read my post at 6:25,esp.the last 2 lines.OK. And before the rogers and the marilyns jump on me,I am not a homophobe,bugger your friends if they are willing,I don't give a flyinf f*#k. You just cannot do it in my house.
Posted by: wallyj | 12-Aug-07 7:31:48 PM
Sorry, wallyj~
I thought you were looking forward to the "kiss" for marilyn reasons.
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 7:36:13 PM
Accepted.And to get back on topic,sort of,I would gladly send ROGER and marilyn to the far north. Cheers.
Posted by: wallyj | 12-Aug-07 7:41:35 PM
But my snickers response was a good one, eh, wallyj?
Posted by: obc | 12-Aug-07 7:50:27 PM
On a side note, It is funny how you guys are dissing Clinton. But when I visit a Left tilted site there is Bush-bashing all over the place. Just one of my observations. Political divide is large over the internet, indeed.
Posted by: Edmontonian | 12-Aug-07 8:11:11 PM
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