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Thursday, December 28, 2006
Let's hear it for Ethiopia
You might remember last summer, when Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts took over the capital Mogadishu, and then much of Somalia. It just looked like one more theatre in which the terrorists had the momentum, and the forces of freedom and decency were reeling.
Luckily for all of us, Ethiopia got the memo. In less than a week, they've sent in forces to clear the UIC out of most of Somalia (it still controls Kismayo at this hour) and troops from the non-terrorist Somali government entered Mogadishu today (CTV). That's one less terrorist haven.
Thank you, Ethiopia.
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As I understand it, the developing situation in Somalia presents two interesting questions: (1) to what extent will Eritrea intervene with Ethiopia in its proxy war with Somalia, possibly threatening operations in Djibouti, and (2) to what extent will the enemy's efforts in Iraq be de-focused by these developments on this front?
Posted by: Vitruvius | 28-Dec-06 10:36:23 PM
I've seen the reports of Eritrean help for the UIC, which would be sad if true.
That second Q is the more interesting one. Al Q has always thought it coul outlast the US-led coalition arrayed against it by trying to damage US (and allied) morale. All of a sudden, their buddies got bounced by an African nation almost completely off the radar.
This could be a big problem for al Q. They don't want people asking, "Hey if you can't beat Ethiopia . . ."
Posted by: D.J. McGuire | 28-Dec-06 10:49:26 PM
I think the "2000 fully equiped Eritrean troops along the side of the UIC' was not credible at all. Where did they go then? It was probably meant to justifay Ethiopian incursion in to Somalia. It was like the Uranium from Niger staff before the invasion of Iraq. The Eritrean government is aggressively secular government and consistantly denied the charge.
Posted by: Daniel | 28-Dec-06 11:07:20 PM
While I understand your sentiment in saying Ethiopia is off the radar, I would say if you look at Ethiopia's history you would say this was expected. Ethiopia has never been an aggressor, but when outside forces have dared threaten it, Ethiopia has always risen to the occassion - no matter the internal domestic problems facing it. Its an interesting history. But I agree with what you say, just wanted to point it out.
Posted by: Ethio-American | 28-Dec-06 11:10:29 PM
Yes of course the jihadists can be defeated, and Ethiopia has shown what is possible when not allowing the PC crowd to call the shots.
Posted by: Alain | 28-Dec-06 11:43:14 PM
It think the Ethiopian leader is a natural vampire who keep on living by shedding innocent's blood. Though UIC members might be potentially dangerous there is nothing which suggested that they are dangerous to Ethiopia. However, to divert the attention from it internal problem and to collect some dollars from the west Meles created all this mess.
I am wishing this will begin the demise of woyane's, the minority Tigres rule in Ethiopia
Posted by: Solomon | 28-Dec-06 11:53:09 PM
Ethio:
I assume Ethio refers to Ethopian.
In that case, you have shown much more wisdom than Solomon.
Posted by: Set you free | 29-Dec-06 1:04:35 AM
The current move of Ethiopia, as has been said repeatdly, may be regarded as a proxy war. Ethiopia is trying to solve the problem that Americans has failed to ressolve some time ago. But, apart from this, there is no doubt that UIC would have posed a threat, though it was not immenent. So the way I see it, the war is more of the proxy one - Ethiopia could have waited until the threat become immnent.
Posted by: H/Meskel | 29-Dec-06 1:09:25 AM
I hope the west can learn a big lesson from Ethiopia. Being decisive to any extremism .
How can one play by the rule when your Enemy is not playing by the rule?
This war is not only fought with fire arms but Historical and cultural approaches very much helped .
Alem
Posted by: Alem | 29-Dec-06 1:25:26 AM
From Ethiopia’s vantage point, who are the UIC?
The top leaders are the same people that lead Al Ithad Al Islamia. AIAI is a Jihadist group that was responsible for countless bombings and murders through out Ethiopia. Their crimes in Ethiopia include the assassination attempt on Egyptian president Mubarak and the bombing of Wabi Shebele hotel. They are also linked to the bombings of the American Embassy in Nairobi and Dari-Selam. UIC has declared war on Ethiopia and has made its intentions known that it intends to take over the Ogaden region in Ethiopia. Now what would any responsible government do with such a group gaining ground in its own backyard? I would say the Jihadist got beat at their own game!
Posted by: Ethiopian | 29-Dec-06 1:29:03 AM
It makes me feel better to see that some people around the world take terrorism seriously enough to go to war. Had Ethiopia waited any longer, Al Q would have established itself in East Africa. Ethiopians got the advantage mostly because they chose to remove the threat early. The only way out is to defeat them(the terrorists.) They don't understand peace talk.
Posted by: tonner | 29-Dec-06 1:33:08 AM
Did Ethiopia receive UN permission to invade Somalia? If so, then its leaders must be put on trial for crimes against humanity. Or maybe not!
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 29-Dec-06 1:54:25 AM
Well, all point taken; Ethiopian are natural wariores as well as are full of wisdoms. They did beat Italian colonizers the same way. I wish them to have peace in their own country too. They have no match when it comes to outside enemy but lacks to care for each other. I guess the islamist forgot to understand history.
take care all
god have mercy
Posted by: biniman | 29-Dec-06 2:01:57 AM
Ethiopians was always loosers. To justify their lost proud, they are going to Somalia. The leaders pay young people to stay in power and the blood sucker Meles only did what every Ethiopian would do. Pay youngstars to stay in power. Ethiopia is the only one country which is divided in the horn and unless they get united the horn will never sleep. Somalia was only a means to an end like Eritrea it was. Who will be next, maybe Sudan. Ethiopia need lessons how to live with out war!
Posted by: Botonga | 29-Dec-06 2:20:43 AM
Wow:
What a swift and precise operation!! Well, I think the world has to learn something from this war against Extremists. That is what can be said to the minimum.
Georg.
Posted by: georg | 29-Dec-06 3:10:54 AM
Ethiopia has survived through out History because of wisdom and always stands for just cause.
Their was a decree in Ethiopia during the emperor’s time “ RELIGION IS PERSONAL COUNTRY IS SHARED “ not to mention that Islam owes Ethiopia to its existence.
Mels or any regime sooner or later will go but extremists has to be rooted out for the feature of Ethiopia and Somalis . Not only Ethiopia is mad but India (Mumbai) Bombing , Spain , London,
Moscow, US, S.Arabia are few countries who have had their fair share of terrorist attack.
Why Ethiopia has to wait UN approval when UIC gets all they want from other extremists with out anybody’s approval ?
This is not a cold war where government fights government this is a fight government with out laws.
Posted by: Alem | 29-Dec-06 3:12:12 AM
Melese is killing his own citzen and now with the good will of Americans he started to kill Somalian. UIC could be a threat to the world only if the confused US administration ignored them to deal in peaceful way just the way they did in Afagnistan in the 80's. Somailis are not relgious fanatics and I don't even equal them with some fanatics who want to change our way of life. However in December 2006 we saw again the misuse of the US tax payers money to open another world problem in the horn of Africa.
Melese killed 20, 000 Oromos the larget ethnics of Ethiopia for opposing his dictatorship, he killed more than 200 civilian in Finfinne (the capital Addis Abeba) after the dispute on May 2005 election. He massacred people in Gambela (South west Ethiopia) and in the city of Awassa which were well recorded in Human right organistations.
The relationship the US administration with Melese has can only show how American has never concerned for humanity. This will only produce more hate for the US in the horn. Yes Melese is lucky with west money he can kill more of his citzen and Somailian and I belive that is what American want. But they should know it also both could also pay for what they are doing on innocennt people of Ethiopia and Somailia. make sure also the US contribution for the unstable horn of Africa.
Posted by: Oromo | 29-Dec-06 3:16:54 AM
I was a long time critic of Meles Zenawi. Now, I have to admit, he is one of the smartest leaders ethiopia ever had. I think the spirit of emperor Yohannes was hanging over him this last few days.
A lot of things are being done during his time.
Posted by: Zeberga | 29-Dec-06 5:57:42 AM
Bravo! Ethiopian military, what a wonderful accomplishment. The world is one terrorist group less, then again, the global war against radical Islam has to go on, because it is not going to end in one generation. Ethiopians through out history has fought against foreign enemies and become victories. I want to mention some of our victores in the last 2000 years. victory against present day yemen 1500 years ago, victory against the meroe civilization of Sudan 1600 years ago, victory against the Ottoman turks(2 times) in 16th century, victory against the Egyptians(2 times) 19th century, victory against Italians( 4 times, at Seati, at Dogali, at Adowa and finally the 5 year great patriotic war 1936-1941) Deafet of the Mahadists by Menelik the great of Ethiopia, THE 1978 and the 2006 victory against Somalians. I am praying for the day to come for we Ethiopians to make peace among our selves.
Posted by: Hailu | 29-Dec-06 7:06:32 AM
Hello everyone,
I am Ethiopia, the one that defeated all the extreme ppl of Somalia. Now that I have defeated one extreme group in Somalia, it might be good for society to defeat the extreme element of the Canadian society, which is the small minded conservatives that you people all are. Now I am after you. Open your mind, there is a different perspective that your stupidity, learn and be free.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 29-Dec-06 7:26:56 AM
Alem brings up a very intersting and valid fact. 'Islam owes it's existance to Ethiopia' in that the Prophet Mohammad sent his followers to Ethiopia to seek refuge during the crusader wars and Ethiopia's King at the time sheltered these folks from harm. Now, these so-called Islamists (who supposedly live by the book) wanting to inflict harm to a land where their ancestors sought refuge to survive?
Ethiopia's God will never abandon her - that's proven through Turks, Italians, Egyptians, etc... and now, Islamist.
Posted by: Selassie | 29-Dec-06 7:49:25 AM
I think the military intervention by Ethiopia was necessary because the UIC warned to wage war and eliminate the interim government. Had they been successful, it would've been difficult to estabilish a system goverment that was inclusive and tolerant. Besides, they would have prabably behaded most of the people for not praying five times a week!
I believe that the surprise element of the strikes, the UIC's cockiness and underestimation of the ethiopian's determination to defend the TFG were the main ingridients to the quick fall of the UIC.
Now, if the Somalian's take the initiative and estabilish law and order, stablise Mogadishu and form inclusive gov't, surely, the world is indebt to Ethiopia; otherwise, it may back-fire. I read some comments - pro and against - the intervention. Some are objective - good; some emmotional - not so cool, because they seem to encite ethnic references.
I believe it's possible to disagree with goverment policy without alienating a significant amount of people with his ethinic/language background, which can bring more support to one side of the argument.
Posted by: wise abesha | 29-Dec-06 8:39:33 AM
Maybe this could be an example for Pakistan. Why not take over the area more or lessed controlled by the Talibans? In solving Afghanistan war, Pakistan is step one.
A better way to stabilize Irak goes through Iran and Syria. It looks like 1935 or later when democracies were trying to preserve peace. They only achieved a much greater disaster.
Maybe an invasion of Iran could be achieved much easier than we think. Without the support of Iran, Syria would be a small task to achieve.
I believe we need to go on the offensive. Forget UN.
Posted by: Rémi Houle | 29-Dec-06 8:53:45 AM
Hello everyone,
I am Ethiopia, the one that defeated all the extreme ppl of Somalia. Now that I have defeated one extreme group in Somalia, it might be good for society to defeat the extreme element of the Canadian society, which is the small minded conservatives that you people all are. Now I am after you. Open your mind, there is a different perspective that your stupidity, learn and be free.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 29-Dec-06 7:26:56 AM
Brave one aren't you? Come up to me and say that to my face, foreigner.
I would quickly show you a "perspective" it seems you are sorely lacking.
Posted by: deepblue | 29-Dec-06 8:56:44 AM
Listen to the so called ethiopian prime min's press interview:
"we will stay in somalia whatever it takes until the job is done"
AND
you might have hear Bush's- meles's god father speech some time back:
"we will stay in Iraq whatever it takes until the job is done "
So by default meles's next speech will be
-------
It sad to hear this cartoon speech on behave of ethiopian people
Posted by: leba | 29-Dec-06 9:08:34 AM
leba:
Did you just arrive on this planet?
Posted by: Set you free | 29-Dec-06 9:43:42 AM
There are three very important observations the world needs to take from the current conflict:
1) to be victorious, it is very important to have justice on your side. Ethiopia in the Italian war, in the Eritrean war and again and again in the Somalian wars had justice on its side. She was the victim of agression.
2) to be victorious, wise leadership that does not jump to war with out mission, careful planning and exit strategy is key. Ethiopia has got it big time.
3) to be victorious as Ethiopia has been always, a constitutional army with high discipline is key. Ethiopia has been building a constitutional army for the past 10 or so years. I am sure in the coming few years of the new Eth millenium, we will have one.
I am proud that Ethiopia has concluded the old millenium as always--VICTORIOUS!!
Posted by: Selassie II | 29-Dec-06 9:49:06 AM
I am proud to be Ethiopian and witness this wonderful achievment in my lifetime.
God Bless Ethiopia and Its people.
Posted by: Mark | 29-Dec-06 9:52:13 AM
"That's one less terrorist haven"
Excuse me DJ,not to rain on your parade but.....
Seizing Kandahar sure has not ended terrorism or won the war in Afgan.
Seizing Baghdad sure as f*ck hasn't ended terrorism or won the war in Iraq.
Recent history with these radical muslims would seem to demonstrate that seizing Mogadishu is NOT the end...maybe it's just the beginning...
Posted by: Canadian Observer | 29-Dec-06 10:00:19 AM
Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. A bloody repetition of the mistakes of the War in Iraq is now occuring in the Horn of Africa, and still another front in this unholy war without end has opened. So have the gates of hell, wider. Only this time the historical precedents are more poignant and painful. It was back in the 16th century when Christian Ethiopian armies backed by colonial Portuguese forces battled Muslim armies under the leadership of Ahmed ibn Ibrahim, the "left-handed" imam, who was killed by a Portuguese bullet in 1543. This proxy war lasted for some 30 years, devastated much of Abyssinia and left Muslim territories with years of famine. Today about one-half of the diverse Ethiopian population is Muslim All that remains of the once formidable Portuguese presence is a small bridge over the Blue Nile. Might does not make right; not then, not now.
Posted by: Peacemaker | 29-Dec-06 10:15:32 AM
Self-defence from any form of aggression, for Ethiopian sovereignty and the well being of its people is legitimate. This would apply to all parts of Ethiopia, defined by historical facts, and its people. If the allegations of subjects of the Eritrean government were allied with the UIC extremists and the historical enemies of Ethiopia, we know who to blame in the first place. Who collaborated to their existence? Who cut off the northern and eastern part of the nation and its people? Who made the country land locked, depriving the interests of 80 million people? National sovereignty and patriotic feelings would have been more meaningful if it
continued as our ancestors handled it. The unity of the people regardless of ethnicity, religion, gender, age, profession, educational level or skills, political or philosophical outlook, economic status is vital for the national interest. For heaven sake, stop the suffering,
the torture, the killings, the imprisonment, the intrigue, the false acusations of the true sons and daughters of Ethiopia. Free the free thinkers, the press, the democratic oppositions,
the defendants of the nation and human rights!
Last, but not least, to those who declared "jihad" on Ethiopia: Historically, Ethiopia gave refuge for the Prophet Mohammed, his family, his followers and the religion, Islam, with respect and protection. In return, The Prophet Mohammed might have said not to declare war against Ethiopia. How do the present extremists of the UIC and their international supporters justify the recent jihad declaration against Ethiopia? (If I am wrong, I stand ready to be corrected by those who actually read The Quran and follow the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed). As a non muslim, I cann't think of my muslim friends, brothers and sisters, who I grew up playing with, declaring war against me and our
motherland. Ethiopia is for all of us to stay, no matter what we believe in. It is sad people
had to kill each other, for any reason, when they
could reason out and negotiate. PEACE!
Posted by: MGM Mariye | 29-Dec-06 10:21:27 AM
The Ethiopian government and its chiefe sponsor the US state department painted a grim image of the Somalia home growen movment as a fundamentalist movment. The Ethiopian government wanted to deflect attention from the precrius situation it is in since it lost election last year. If the Somalis were Jihadis, then how come they just vanished? do Jihadists retreat when invaded? I think the Jihadi concept was a propoganda campaign from the Ethiopian side.
Posted by: John | 29-Dec-06 10:23:58 AM
We Eritreans pray Meles Zenawi saves us before the end of his last term. We deserve it Mr. PM.
Posted by: Eritrean | 29-Dec-06 10:27:02 AM
Those of us who are familiar with the history of Ethiopia, knew that not only was Ethiopia going to win but do the job in a few days. I see many people trying to parallel this operation with Baghda, etc. It is very different on many levels. Chief among them is the fact that Ethiopia is not in Somalia to establish a government but to defeat the terrorists which they have done already for the most part. Remember the Ethiopian army carried out similar operation in 1996/97 and destroyed all the terrorists within days. There are pictures and videos to prove this. But the world did not care to know it at the time because it was pre-9/11. Unless a strong central government is established in Somalia, Ethiopia should continue to do this on a regular basis to ensure its security and the security of others before these terrorists are rooted permanently.
I am however disgusted by those dergists and other opposition elements who are still trying to score cheap political goals at this time when the defence force is fighting to ensure that Ethiopia remains protected from this elements and are detroyed before they become even more powerful. Thanks.
Dereje
Posted by: Dereje Gizaw | 29-Dec-06 11:08:06 AM
Those of us who are familiar the history of Ethiopia, knew that not only was Ethiopia going to win but do the job in a few days. I see many people trying to parallel this operation with baghda, etc. It is very different on many levels. Chief among them, is the fact that Ethiopia is not in Somalia to establish a government but to defeat the terrorists which they have done already for the most part. Remember the Ethiopian army carried out similar operation in 1996/97 and destroyed all the terrorists within days. There are pictures and videeos as proof. But the world did not know care to know it because it was pre-9/11.
I am however disgusted by those dergists and other opposition elements who sre stil trying to score cheap political goals at this time when the defence force is fighting to ensure that Ethiopia remains protected from this elements and are detroyed before they become even more powerful. Thanks.
Dereje
Posted by: Dereje Gizaw | 29-Dec-06 11:09:29 AM
I have this historical observation please let me know if I am wrong .
From all nations Arabs think they own Islam and they also try to gain influence using Islam .
When ever you want to discuses serious issue they become so angry bring conspiracy theory
They also try to export their culture through Islam .
If you become a Catholic you don’t have to speak Italian nor dress like Italian .
However, I find Persians as a good Muslims open for dissections and don’t mind to live with others .
Unlike Sudanese Somalians took only the Religion and kept their culture .
Ethiopia is always defending its cultural Independence as well as her territorial integrity .
Aleme
Posted by: Alem | 29-Dec-06 11:27:28 AM
It is an emotional time to every Ethiopian who loves his country. The prestige of Ethiopian hero/heroin is not to win in the Marathon but also in the Battle fields. Thank you Field Marsha Zenawi for your leadership stay the course. We need sea out let? Then truly you will be the Generalissimos too.
Araya
Posted by: Araya | 29-Dec-06 11:33:16 AM
set you free,
r you asking if i have doubts that meles is US's
'buchila' or weather he is 'banda ye banda zer'
I can figure you are 'biltabilt zingero'and u feel u r the smartest boy ha? don't worry,unless ur perish before u see things time will tell who you are because you don't know yourself,neither u know what you are doing or talking .
mr. set you free,free your rotten mind.
Posted by: leba | 29-Dec-06 11:56:41 AM
leba:
You sound troubled.
Posted by: Set you free | 29-Dec-06 12:01:11 PM
ethiopia is fortunate not to have internal conflict about how to handle this threat. that, in turn, allowed them to put out fire with fire, rather than sprinkling it with water as the western democracies keep on doing. hopefully, it will serve as the lesson for the rest of the world
Posted by: alex | 29-Dec-06 12:21:59 PM
Dear Ethiopians,
wherever you are,congratulations!!!If we are united,there is no reason not to be successful in every aspect of life,always remember we have geo-political enemies around,like Egypt who never sleeps even for a minute if there is peace in Ethiopia,Arab countries wants to keep us away from read sea,Sudan God knows its posision? So called Eritrea who is the sick dog in the horn of africa.
So for every problem in our country be it in Gambela or other there is some one orchestrating behind and most probably the above mentioned countries .
Be vigilant!!!!
Posted by: Abadi kebede | 29-Dec-06 1:05:52 PM
Members of the Ethiopian Defence Forces are extremely well trained, disciplined determined when they fight. What many foreigners forget about Ethiopians is that although they may have internal problems when it comes to an external enemy they will unite and that is when they are at their best.
As an ex US marine who was charged with the task of training their forces in the last seven years I can assure you that there is no fighting force who can beat them in Africa ( that includes Egypt and South Africa). We ( The US Government) have provided them with some very powerful military hardware and they know how to use it.
All you, Ethiopians, regardless of your opinion of EPRDF, you should be proud of your Defence Forces.
Ethiopia will remain a key US alley in Africa for a long time to come.
Thank you.
Posted by: Brent | 29-Dec-06 1:10:49 PM
I find this issue with Somalia one to really sit up and pay attention.
Why?
Because idiots like Stephen Lewis say that the problem with Africa is that the west discriminates against Africa, because it is a racist issue.
Well, we western folks went into Somalia, to help, and look what happenned. They rejected our assistance, and called us all sorts of nasty thing in their books.
So, they are racist.
And, they are worse, because they discriminate on religious lines, as do all Islamic fundamentalist regimes.
Ethiopia has my support, because they have demonstrated themselves to be g-d fearing people. They have exercised restrain, and then done the job as required, to defend themselves against these extremist terrorist groups, terrorist nations and all.
Posted by: Lady | 29-Dec-06 2:46:26 PM
The international community who have sided themselves with the war against terrorism owes Ethiopia huge. Time to kiss Meles's hand.
Those who oppose Ethiopia's involvements need to know that Ethiopia has been invited to this war by both parties in Somalia. UIC should not have played the Jihad war and Greater somalia CARDS, as it gave a green light for Meles to establish a legitimate case against them. that in my opinion is a perfect invitation of calling Ethiopia to come after you. Meles would not hestitate to capitalize on this perfect opportunity as it would give him a chance to wipe out OLF, ONLF, AFD, AND some anti-Ethiopian elements within the UIC. Ethiopia has been in somalia before the UIC was formed. Already having a miltary presense to protect the TFG, the Ethiopians know better than regecting the invitation by the only ligitimate athority(TFG) in the country.
those who doubted the presence of foriegn militants within UIC, wait till the distruction of Kismayo to see their dead bodies.
Kismayo is the final phase for completing the Ethiopian mission.
Posted by: yoni | 29-Dec-06 2:48:21 PM
Brent is lying.
It's not racist, it's racialist.
Posted by: Feces Eating Buddha | 29-Dec-06 2:50:09 PM
Dear Mr. Meles Zenawi,
I would like to thank you for the fantastic job that you have been doing for Ethiopia and the rest world for routing these low life terrorist thugs who showed up in your door step from Afganistan, Pakistan, Eritrea, and the Arab world to wage a “holy war” against Ethiopia. The world is amazed at your level of smart and brilliant leadership. Indeed, you’re an amazing person. As a result, you’re my person of the year.
No one will be able to save these low life terrorist cockroaches in Somalia from the wrath of the Ethiopian Defense Forces. Neither the Arab League nor the Eritrean mercenaries will be able to save them. I’m absolutely certain that all the remnant low life Jehadists will be completely crashed and wiped out by this weekend.
Posted by: Dulla | 29-Dec-06 3:12:43 PM
I agree with Brent US is a key allay and will remain allay to Ethiopia . When White people speak up and
stand for the truth they are accused of being resist and they will be silenced . yes the west has troubled history with race at least they have recognize it and they set up correction mechanism.
Arabs never even recognize their resist behavior and still want to use religion to advance their influence where ever they can .
Americans and Ethiopians have one distinct common culture that is they want to live and can live together with every body .
one advice to American forces I would give is terrorist or Islamists are like Mafia. The boss goes under ground and let others die . Colonel Hassan Dahir (Now Sheik ) goes to hiding let the youth fight the fight . I suggest Americans has to get Binladen and Mula Omare (The Taliban leader ) and finish the Job . it is Cheaper and easier way out .
Posted by: Alem | 29-Dec-06 5:09:54 PM
Deep Blue, let me respons to your stupid comment regarding my earlier comment. Yes, I still want to defeat the stupid, National Post reading conservatives who are very small minded red necks. Go read, study and open your stupid mind before you write your so called threatening letter. You calling me a foreigner thinking its an insult proves to me you are a non starter.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 29-Dec-06 10:11:15 PM
Ethiopia Relax , let us make this forum more useful by exchanging ideas.
Posted by: Alem | 29-Dec-06 10:23:04 PM
It is astonishing how the TPLF leaders enjoy blood shedding of innocents. Tigray through its ruthless gangsters has colonizd the other nations in Ethiopia. They now seem to extend their territory by adding Somalis to their victim list.
One thing is for sure, the days of Tigres rule is numbered and when that day comes, be prepared to pay the price
Posted by: Gejjaw | 30-Dec-06 12:45:57 AM
First of all kudos to the Ehiopian Defense Forces.
Have some of you lost it? first of all, all observers agree that Meles was democratically elected... his harshest critics, the EU only reported a 2% irregularity rate. Then if you look at the ethiopian ministers, only 2 are from tigray.... hummm... the majority are Amhara and Oromo.... yes hundreds of people died in the post election unrest, but guess what 6 police officers were killed also as well as millions of dollars of property destrucion.... islamic fundamentalism has always been a threat to ethiopians.... this time is no different than the mahdists, the turks, the egyptians and the somalis in the past.
And lastly, if we allow the somali islamists to grow stronger and follow thru on their threats, rest assured that way before they get to Tigray, they will destroy, Debub, Oromya and Amhara regions first.... including my beautiful Gojjam...
I do not always agree with Meles's policy, but hate driven opposition only serves to discredit all opposition while strenghtening the current governement.
Please oppose with your brains.... not your misplaced hatred....
Long live Ethiopia,
Long live our defense forces
Posted by: tsega | 30-Dec-06 2:33:47 AM
Ethiopia
So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a redneck eh? Not to mention stupid too? Excellent. You feel about as highly of us, as we do of you. You have shown you are equally as biggoted as the next guy. The proof is in the pudding.
And, it looks like the tide is turning. The Conservatives are starting to make this country something again. Unlike over the past 13+ years, and not to mention the rotten Trudeau years. Get over it, your type lost!!! And buddy take note. This is Canada, a free country where everyone has their opinion on how Canada should work. Right-wing, left-wing, etc, etc. Your calling for the defeat of Conservative minded people in Canada could be taken in the wrong way, the way your post is written. Sounds almost like, like, a foreign country under a dictatorship. Get the hint. Hint, hint.
There. My rant is over, and I suggest you get back to the original thread. Don't know how you went from the Ethiopia/Somalia thing, to defeating Conservatives.
Posted by: Leaf | 30-Dec-06 8:08:36 AM
WE ARE PROUD OF YOU SAMORA YANUS
THANKS
Posted by: HANA | 30-Dec-06 8:34:29 AM
Once the election is called in Canada, the Dion team will defeat the closed minded red necks that is the Harper goverment. Mark my word. Election, I never said through force. We will defeat closed minded redneck cowboys through elections, that is the system that has always helped Canada enjoy the privilage of having a great leadership by Mr Chretien, Mr Trudeau, Mr Laurier, Mr Pearson...shall I say more. What do u losers have, Kim Campbell, Harper....lol..get a life ppl. Start reading informative papers such as the Star, the Globe and Mail where opposing views are freely discussed. Get out of Alberta, there is another world out there!
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 8:47:25 AM
Ethiopia
Sorry there big guy. Not in Alberta. I live, much to my chagrin, in Manitoba for now. And I'm originally from Ontario. Been all across Canada except for PEI.
Now. On to more impportant issues. Great leaders such as Chretien. Oh yeah. The crook, the theif, the stealer of taxpayers money to finance elections and try to buy off people. Do you know that in any other country, him and members of his government would be in jail right now for what they did. Trudeau. Oh yes. Wasn't he the greatest. The worst thing to happen to Canada. Enough said. Pearson and Laurier. Might find something nice to say. But overall, they are still Liberals. Dion. The rat. Would take hard earned taxpayers money and throw it away in typical Liberal style. The best thing to happen to the Conservative movement in years. The Conservatives. Campbell a loser. I agree. Mulroney. Didn't mind him. Harper. Now there is a REAL leader. One trillion times the leader then any Liberal on the earth. the best thing to happen to Canada in years. Yeah baby.
As far as newspapers go. The ones you rambled off aren't fit to line a bird cage. Opposing views discussed. Have you ever tried to send a letter to the editor to those rags? If it doesn't parrot the Liberal line, they aren't interested. You are funny.
Maybe you should get outside of Toronto as there is a whole other world outside of the GTA.
Anyway, nice yapping at you biggot ( for your close minded redneck rant and anti-cowboy attitude). And, one last question. Do you even know where the term Redneck comes from? Or what is really stands for? Probably not.
Posted by: Leaf | 30-Dec-06 9:09:13 AM
Leaf:
Apparently, like any marxist, Ethiopia does not completely understand why his country has been great for thousands of years.
If he truly is Ethiopian, he would understand his entire ancestry was redneck, that is people of the land who worked hard in the sunlight.
Sounds like a freeloader to me ... here for our superior social programs he could not find in Ethiopia.
But then, I've been wrong before, not perfect like the writer who calls himself Ethiopia.
Posted by: Set you free | 30-Dec-06 10:49:05 AM
I live in Ottawa by the way. Any Liberal leader is so much better than any of your wrong minded, election losing, election promise breaking, conservative extremist leaders. Tell me one good thing the Harper government has done that is anywhere better than what the great Liberal leaders have done to this country. Maybe your great conservative leaders are like David Emerson, a has been liberal. Get a life, Dion is coming to save your kind from getting anywhere close to the great leagacy of ....shall I say the names again...
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 11:26:05 AM
A snivel servant, no doubt, who needs financial support provided by thieving Liberal regimes while theorizing how things should be, rather than recognizing how they really are.
Since all negativity is fear-based, I sense that you fear losing your cushy job provided to you by the hard-working taxpayers of this country ... who are actually producing something, not just hot air.
If I were you, I would also be afraid of losing my so-called job, since it's obvious you produce nothing but dissent.
Posted by: Set you free | 30-Dec-06 12:27:50 PM
Ethiopia
Lets see. Mr. Harper promised to lower the GST. He did. Chretien promised to abolish the GST. He didn't. Mr. Harper promised to start getting tougher on crime. He's doing it. The Liberals prefer the hug-a-thug mentality. Mr. Harper promised to increase our military, and give them new gear. He is. The Liberals. Won't go there. Shall I continue? Mr. Harper solved the softwood lumber problem within months of coming to power. The Liberals had 13 years and did nothing. Mr. Harper has put this nation on the world stage finally. We now are probably one trillion times respected then anytime in the last 13 years. Real leadership, real leadership. But, you wouldn't know that if it bit you in the ass.
Now. Can you tell us on here where the tewrm redneck came from, and what it stands for? And, when is your beloved Liberal party going to return my hard earned tax dollars they stole to rig elections, pay off their friends, and try to buy off Quebec?
Posted by: Leaf | 30-Dec-06 1:00:37 PM
Ethiopia,
"... the Dion team will defeat the closed minded red necks ..." "We will defeat closed minded redneck cowboys through elections"
It sounds like Jacques Parizeau and his "ethnic vote" speech.
What racist things to say. Oh my!
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 4:15:50 PM
That is funny. I am not some highly paid public servant as you might have assumed little boys. I am a member of the Canadian Armed Forces and yes, I am Ethiopian Canadian (let me hear your racist comments). You say Harper is cutting the GST, but who implemented it in the first place, a former conservative Prime Minister, yes Mr GST himself. You say Harper solved the soft lumber issue, yes by giving everything the US asked for. The Clarity Bill, the issue of an illegal war in Iraq and the refusal of Canada to join, a balanced budget, a world class health care did not happen under a conservative watch but under a Liberal government. Remember, the Western Standard is not a bible, don't get your teaching from it. Think for yourself.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 5:57:36 PM
Ethiopia,
Who left Mulroney with a ballooning deficit that required extra tax revenue called the GST?
You forgot to say "a world class failing health care system".
A balanced budget on the backs of the poor.
Canada is not involved in an in Iraq so why bring it up. You give the Libs credit for NOT doing the right thing? Sad. Very sad.
The software lumber deal? Is that another acronym for NAFTA? Just askin'.
Speaking of racist comments. "Redneck" qualifies. Congratulations. You win.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 6:30:57 PM
Well Canadians spoke of Mulroney's record when they reduced his mighty conservatives to two seats in 1993 and gave the great Chretien a majority government. Not being in Iraq was the right decision and history and events since then shows us that Mr Chretien was right than wrong. Even the world class health care system was as a result of Tommy Douglas rather than any of your ignorant Uncle Sam wanna b conservatives from Alberta. You are in a blaming game rather than defending your heroes. Without a liberal, this country will go nowhere. You shall stand tall when Prime Minister Dion takes over in March. I feel your pain.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 6:57:33 PM
Ethiopia,
"Well Canadians spoke of Mulroney's record when they reduced his mighty conservatives to two seats in 1993..."
I guess they spoke about the Liberal's record in 2006. It's called democracy and we regularly turf the old guys. What's your point?
As for ignorant uncle Sam's wannabe conservatives, I'll bet you had no idea that it was good old uncle Sam who provided several universal social programs before johnny canuck. So what is your point?
" Not being in Iraq was the right decision and history and events since then shows us that Mr Chretien was right than wrong. "
Isn't it a bit early to be talking about what history shows? Sheesh. I'll wait for time and emotions to pass, thank you very much. So what is your point?
What makes you think Dion will take over? What makes you think it will be in March? What makes you think I will stand tall? So, what is your point?
I'm sorry but I don't believe in fortune tellers or psychics or whatever you think you are.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 7:19:31 PM
In Jan 2006, Canadians protested just like they did in the year 1990 when they protested and gave the NDP the privilage of leading my province of Ontatio. The fact of the matter is that, the results of the Conservative minority win is more of a protest rather than a win. There is a reason why the Liberals are called the natural governing party of Canada. Listen, I am not talking about Alberta here , where Conservatives own the province, but Canada. A country that is proud, progressive and LIBERAL. Don't compare the lose of 1993 to the lose of 2006 with the Liberals. The liberals weren't reduced to 2 seats but to a little more than 100 seats.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 7:24:58 PM
Ethiopia,
What is your point? You keep mentioning Alberta. I have never even had the honour of visiting such a wonderful province with such industrious hard working honest people with incredible integrity and principles.
If you keep mistaking such a basic assumption as my location, I can't help wonder about your previous bigotry calling us "rednecks".
Is this the face of the modern Liberal party? I guess the natural governing party of Canada is self-immolating faster than I thought. Now you are kissing people like me good bye. People from central Canada.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 7:31:34 PM
Sorry for my assumption. A good liberal knows when wrong. But let me ask you, why would any person from central Canada support a conservative like Harper. I understand there are good conservatives such as Bill Davis but Harper. But even then, I did not say u were from Alberta but in general terms, I said that is where the new conservatives do well, which is Alberta
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 7:35:30 PM
Ethiopia,
I guess I just love the hard working underdog who stands tall in the face of adversity. I support those people who are called bigoted names by Liberals like you. I support the little guy who is constantly bullied by big thugs like those in the Liberal party. Those like you who behave like it's your way or the highway and if we disagree we must be rednecks.
How's it feel, sport? Still feel all big and superior? So how long have you been kicking people around?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 7:41:52 PM
I don't think David Emerson, a liberal has been, is not an underdog who is standing tall in the face of adversity but rather standing tall in the face of an opportunity that was never afforded to him by Canadian electors but by the Harpers since they did not have any one better among their elected officials. It's not the Liberals or the highway but rather...basic Canadian value or .......
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 7:52:04 PM
Does that mean that you think Emerson converted to redneckism as well?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 7:54:11 PM
Ethiopia,
Besides, you asked ME why I supported the conservatives. No where did I mention Emerson? So why do you feel the need to change the subject? I don't speak for Emerson, the conservatives, Harper, nor anyone but myself. Got that?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 7:58:34 PM
ethiopia i thought the subject was " let us here it for ethiopia.
canadian observer
Posted by: abraham | 30-Dec-06 8:08:09 PM
Anyways....u have never been clear why you arr supporting a wrong party. Now let us focus on you, why are you supporting a wrong party and leader.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 8:09:12 PM
"I guess I just love the hard working underdog who stands tall in the face of adversity. I support those people who are called bigoted names by Liberals like you. I support the little guy who is constantly bullied by big thugs like those in the Liberal party. Those like you who behave like it's your way or the highway and if we disagree we must be rednecks."
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 7:41:52 PM
I just want to support the wrong party while I still have the freedom to support the wrong party.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 8:13:55 PM
Ethiopia
If you are in the military, god help Canada. Somehow I don't think you are though.
The softwood file. Harper made a deal that seen Canada gain $4 billion dollars out of $5 billion that was owed us. Do tell us what the Liberals gave us in 13 years. Hold on, I'll let you know. ZERO. Yes, Mulroney did implement the GST. Probably turned out to be the best form (as in fair) of taxation going. I was against it, until I did my own research on it. Chretien was going to eliminate it. He didn't. I see you are quite quiet about that one. Liberal balanced budget. How nice, off the backs of hard working taxpaying Canadian. Did you know it was illegal to hold a surplus in the EI fund? 13 year surplus while under the Liberals. It is okay though with people like you, as you seem to like crooks and thieves. World class health care. What a friggin joke. It only took 10+ years for the world class health care to determine my wife has Lupus. Probably would have taken 1 week in the evil US style health care. Funny. Paul Martin's doctor owns and runs one of the biggest private health care clinics in Canada. Betcha he doesn't wait in line. Liberals are the natural governing party of Canada. Sounds like you like a communist style of country. Well, I suggest Canada is not the place for you. So, tell us why you are here?
And. You still haven't answered where the term redneck came from. Or can you? And, when is your beloved Liberal party going to return my money stolen from me through adscam to rig elections, buy off Quebec, and buy off people? And you say Harper is scary. The only thing scary is the fact people like you are allowed to vote, and the fact the Liberal party is still allowed in Canada considering they were the most corrupt government in the history of this country.
As for your statement. "A good Liberal knows when wrong". That is funny. To bad the last lot in power couldn't tell right from wrong. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Now. Why don't you run off to some Liberal love in site, and leave the adults to talk. Obviously you are way out of your league here. See ya!!!!! Don't go away mad, just go away!!!!
Posted by: Leaf | 30-Dec-06 8:20:27 PM
Bless the Liberal leaders who gave you the chance to have the privilage of making wrong decisions. It's in our legacy. Bless the Liberals!
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 8:20:27 PM
"Bless the Liberal leaders who gave you the chance to have the privilage of making wrong decisions. It's in our legacy. Bless the Liberals!"
Actually, I prefer to thank those who died fighting for and defending my freedoms. Not party hacks and certainly not the party that disparages, ridicules, and defunds the infrastructure and traditions that make that defense possible.
I wonder who that would be?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 8:25:45 PM
Sorry to get of track there people.
The main theme. Good for the country of Ethiopia.
Posted by: Leaf | 30-Dec-06 8:27:39 PM
Leaf,
You are right. Sorry for the derailment. I just can't stand bigots whether they disparage the brave Ethiopians, honourable Albertans, or take credit away from our military personnnel for their own aggrandizement.
Good night.
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 30-Dec-06 8:32:23 PM
Should have been off track, not of track. Sometimes I type to fast.
And, I get cranky. I have 0 time for Liberal lovers like Ethiopia. I'm offically done ranting to this guy. It ended up hijacking the main theme.
Posted by: Leaf | 30-Dec-06 8:36:17 PM
Leaf...your go away immigrant mentality is just plan stupid....that is not just stupid but funny...there is a reason why you are stuck in this so called conservative website run by a former Stockwell Day Chief of Staff that was indeed fired by him. Now how do u get fired by Stockwell Day. Yes you do belong here, rant about me going back to where I come from etc. Blame the liberal government and rip the most when your loved one is sick. You are a joke, get a life. Now let us foucs on Ethiopia until the Dion team takes over in March!
Posted by: Ethiopia | 30-Dec-06 8:41:31 PM
Ethiopia, as an immigrant you are a guest in this country, and your disrespect for our culture and traditions along with bringing your foreign baggage of old country hatred confirms that our liberal immigration policy failed in not screening applicants correctly.
Posted by: Alain | 31-Dec-06 2:00:19 PM
Alain, thank you for recognizing you and I are both immigrants to this country but to correct you, I am not a guest. You might as well be a guest. This country is a nation of immigrants according to a wise conservative Prime Minister. Yes, u may have a westrn baggage, wait for Dion, he will correct it!
Posted by: Ethiopia | 31-Dec-06 5:08:35 PM
Ethiopia
I just don't tell any immigrant to go away. Only people like you. Anyone is welcome here as far as I'm concerned. Except those who do not wish to conform to Canadian traditions that my relatives hold in high asteem, and fought and died for. When I go to other countries to visit, I abide by their customs and rules. So, it just makes sense if I moved else where, I would respect their customs and rules. To easy, eh?
And yes, I do blame previous Liberal governments for alot of the problems that exsist in Canada today. Think real hard on this one now, ok? Do you think you can? When someone steals from you, like the previous Liberal government of Canada under Chretien, with some of the current serving members in his government, do you not think that there is a problem with this? It might as well be a career criminal for christ sake. Same difference. Or are you to stupid to understand this?
As far as the health care issue. You friggin right I'm PO'ed. If we would have a seperate parallel health system in Canada, I would of gladly taken my hard earned pay, and used it to find out what is wrong with my wife. And that would have been none of your business. You do what you want with your money, I'll do what I want with mine!!
And I have a life. it is called making sure people like you do not get the Liberals back into power. Mr. Harper has got the country on track, the last thing it needs is those friggin crooks, thieves and losers back in power.
And, give up the ghost with the ultra/radical redneck conservative shit. the average public isn't buying into it. So. Where did the term redneck come from, and what does it mean? You still haven't answered that yet. Shouldn't be to hard for a Liberal elitist like yourself. As you do know better than the average Joe. Ha, ha , ha, ha, ha, ............
And by the way. Dion won't win f*** all!!!
Posted by: Leaf | 31-Dec-06 10:45:41 PM
Leaf,
You are a very sad old fashioned loser. Yes, red necks are ppl like you who resist the assimilation of ppl like me in to the so called mainstream society..who choose to live a life isolated from the rest of us thinking they are better than us when the reality is that they are nothing. You say Chretien stole your money, go back and read what Murloney did with our money. You have no special right to decide who should and shouldn't stay in this country. I will proudly make sure that Mr Dion becomes the Right Honourable come this March. Mark my word!
Posted by: Ethiopia | 2-Jan-07 1:40:08 PM
Ethiopia:
I was not born in this country, therefore I am also an immigrant.
My parents came because they believed they had a chance for a better life, not because of superior social programs.
They did not know the English language and there were no government programs to teach them the English language. They had to learn it by themselves.
My mother is still very independent, even though she is 90 years old and when people want to help her because she thinks she needs help, she brushes them away.
Those are the type of people who made Canada the great country it is today and Alberta the great province it is today.
To me, my mother represented the true liberal values of independence, charity, compassion ... because she lived all those things.
No matter how hard the Marxists in the Liberal Party (that's big L for big Liars, not true liberals but centralizing commie thieves) and the parasite class in the bureaucracy pretend to be compassionate, I do not believe them.
The ten most dangerous words in the English language:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.
I don't believe you. I don't trust you or anybody of your ilk.
Posted by: Set you free | 2-Jan-07 2:08:18 PM
Set you free......indeed, set yourself free and give the Liberals a chance..the new Liberal team are different. Give us a chance.
Posted by: Ethiopia | 2-Jan-07 2:24:59 PM
Ethiopia:
They had 13 years and proved themselves competent only at theft of hard-working taxpayers money.
Another decade of rest, to think about what they have done to innocent citizens, may do them some good.
Especially since Jean Chretien is in the background, pulling Dion's puppet strings ... no way will I give him another chance to rob me.
Posted by: Set you free | 2-Jan-07 2:43:43 PM
The best part of this thread is how, after you losers started to lose the debate, you began instructing 'Ethiopian' on how he is supposed to argue.
Then there was this:
"Ethiopia, as an immigrant you are a guest in this country, and your disrespect for our culture and traditions along with bringing your foreign baggage of old country hatred confirms that our liberal immigration policy failed in not screening applicants correctly."
He (he?) disrepected our culture by what? Not singing from the Conservative hymm book. What a hypocrite you are Alain!
This is worse than listening to a bunch of kids shout 'no fair'.
Posted by: Feces Eating Buddha | 2-Jan-07 2:56:55 PM
Ethiopia
So are you saying Mulroney stole money from the taxpayer? If you are, please tell us on here where and when. I can't remember if he did, and he wasn't one of my favourites. He was embroiled in a case in which the Liberals tried to sue him. Last time I looked, he won and the Liberals had to pay. So. Who wasted who's money? You just can't seem to get it through your thick skull the Liberals are crooks, thieves, liars, etc, can you? And, your new saviour, Mr. Dion was a serving member of that gang of said crooks, thieves, liars, etc. And, the majority of the Liberal sitting now were around while the theft was going on. And you say they are different. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,....................
And your discription of a "redneck" is totally out to lunch. Let me explain to you in simple terms. One even an elitist like yourself can understand. It is like this. Redneck comes from the fact that hard working blue collar types want minimal intrusion in their lives by the government, and yahoos like yourself. And wish to live the type of life they are accustomed to, and the values they believe in. These may be things such as the right to follow their religon, don't believe in gay lifestyle, don't believe in abortion, believe that because they had to adapt to this country others should as well, may believe in capital punishment, property rights, low taxes, etc, etc. They don't want so-called elitists to tell then how to live their lives.
Getting back to immigration. Anyone is welcome here. But they will have to abide by the values that my family hold in asteem, and Canadians have held for years. I'm born here, your not. You must adapt, not me. I knew a lady who died on the Air India bombing in 85. I worked with her daughter. She was obviously born in India, but once here, she maintained her old country's customs inside her house. Outside of her house, you would not know she was Indian except for the fact her looks and voice. She did not wear any traditional garb, impose any of her beliefs on people, demand anything from the public because it violated her beliefs from the former country, etc. Once again, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. When I'm in another country, I follow their laws and traditions. And if I choose to move to another country, I would follow their rules and traditions. You should do the same. As far as living an isolated life. You are very wrong my friend, very wrong. There is a hell of a lot of people who think the way I do. And we will work to get the country back to where it was before that loser Trudeau got a hold of it. Get used to it. And am I better than you? Of course I'am. And I'm probably a trillion times better then you. Just like you think your better than everyone else too.
Anyway. I'm done with you on the subject. I won't change you, and you won't change me. Subject now closed. Except for the part where you have to prove to us on here where Mulroney stole money from the taxpayer. Looking forward to the upcoming Conservative majority with Mr. Harper in charge!!!Yeah baby!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Leaf | 2-Jan-07 3:23:14 PM
Fences Eating Buddah,
Indeed! Thank you! Leaf, why is all your arguments based on where I come from, my background...why can't you just argue without refering to my immigrant background. One doesn't have to be a conservative to be a good Canadian. If you want to know more about the Mulroney horrible years, google it, search it. I don't have to abide by your narrow minded view of society to be a good citizen of Canada. Come March, we will send Harper to the Canadian Tax Federation where he belongs. Looking forward to a new LIBERAL government.
Posted by: Yonas | 2-Jan-07 3:51:44 PM
"Feces Eating Buddah"
With a stinking moniker like that, can't stop long enough to read your thoughts on any subject.
Are you concerned the feces may go to your brain?
Some animals eat their own feces. Have you no respect for Buddahs?
Shameful.
Posted by: Liz J | 2-Jan-07 5:27:00 PM
Yonas
"Looking forward to a new Liberal government". Yeah right. Crooks are still crooks. You really like criminals don't you?
"Why can't you just argue without refering to my immigrant background". Simple. You come across as a person who came here expecting people who were born here and hold their values in high asteem, to change to suit your whim. Typical Liberal mindset. Should not happen. Don't like it, go back to where you came from. Fairly simplistic isn't it.
"I don't have to abide to your narrow minded view of society to be a good Cnadian". In other words, you don't give a shit about the values other people hold in asteem. Well, you are entitled to your opinion as it is a free country, unless you are Conservative thinking then that shouldn't be allowed as it may upset the Liberal elite. Wouldn't want that. Same as mine, but different. You act like me, but in the opposite direction.
"If you want to know more about the Mulroney horrible years.....". No I won't search it. You brought it up, you prove it. I can peove mine versus the Liberals. Gomery inquiry. Still waiting for the re-payment of stolen money. How about you?
"Come March, we will send Harper......". Highly doubtful, as the Canadian public no longer buys into the scare mongering and finally see what it is like to have real leadership in this country. Not to mention Dion is a complete waste of skin, and most people already know that. I see a slim majority for Harper, but a majority none the less. And, if on the rarity Harper is defeated and he did go back to the CTF, wouldn't it be nice to have someone watch out for your hard earned dollars. I mean, the crooks (Liberals) are still crooks.
That's it. Something more important to do. Watch hockey.
Posted by: Leaf | 2-Jan-07 6:40:58 PM
Gee, who would I like as a fellow citizen? Yonas, who, if we are to take him at his word, has come to Canada from abroad and signed up to defend his new country, who seems to have at least a basic sense of political pluralism and a decent sense of recent history? Or Leaf, who was born here but limits his defence of his homeland to abusive comments on bulletin boards, demands that people who arrive from adopt the values that his cracker family hold in "high asteem" (oh, don't worry about spelling - it's only your first language) even if it seems apparent that those values aren't even shared by a majority of people who were born and raised here and who thinks political discourse in a democracy involves the use of terms like "waste of skin" and "Don't like it, go back to where you came from"? (And don't get me started on clueless clowns like h2o, who whines like a hippie whenever someone says something mean about conservatives. Or blowhards like Liz J, who hasn't posted a comment that rises above schoolyard namecalling.)
Well, I know how I'd answer.
But then I'm not your average Shotgunner. Which is to say that when my side doesn't win elections, I don't blame everyone from the media to the chief electoral officer for the loss, nor do I whine and moan that anyone who votes other than I do is corrupt or stupid or a traitor. Do I abuse you for your bigotry and ignorance and spelling? Sure, I do. Do I disagree with you vigorously? You bet. But I also recognize that any democratic country will have legitimate political disputes and that my side won't prevail in every one.
It was interesting to see you folks, on a recent thread, trying to plot a CPC majority, thinking that the road to victory lies with exotica like Senate reform. Only Brent Weston, who is among the most civil of you, put his finger on the real problem: the reason a majority will likely elude the CPC is not the MSM (whose sin is not lionizing Harper in the manner of the WS, the most shamelessly partisan organ in the country) or Jean Pierre Kingsley. It's that, most people outside of Alberta aren't as conservative as you folks or Harper and Company. Ain't democracy a bitch?
Yonas - welcome to Canada. Yeah, we're home to assholes like Leaf, but on the upside, someday you might be able to share a coffee with someone who calls himself Feces Eating Buddha. Make no mistake -- this is a great country.
Posted by: truewest | 2-Jan-07 11:21:21 PM
truewest: "Ain't democracy a bitch"
Best arguement for Western separation that this federalist has heard lately. "Not a Toronto Liberal? Suck it up and screw yourself!"
Great boost for national unity truewest.
Posted by: Zog | 3-Jan-07 1:03:23 AM
Actually, Zog, I'm from B.C. You know, the province to the WEST of Alberta, where, unlike Alberta, they actually have more than one political party capable of forming a government at any given time.
Posted by: truewest | 3-Jan-07 7:44:41 AM
Truewest
It should be: "born in Canada assholes like Leaf". Christ get it right will you.
I love it. Glad to see all you can do is pick-up on a spelling mistake, and make it clear that my families values (I'm sure your family is SO much better), and similar thinking people, mean nothing to you and people like Yonas.
"Abusive comments on bulletin boards....". Well, come to Winnipeg, and I'll show you them face-to-face. And no, this is not an invitation to fight. I'm not politically correct, and will defend myself and views directly to you. No skin off my arse. I have told many a people, including very good friends, exactly where I stand. You know what? They may not like what they have to hear. But, they respect me for it. I'm not changing.
As far as winning or losing elections. What happens, happens. I think anyone who votes Liberal is an idiot. I won't state my opinion on NDP'ers. There will never be a perfect party. Hell. I voted the Rhino party once because I didn't like any of the parties. You don't vote, you don't bitch. But, I wonder about the smarts of people who would vote for people who stole money to rig elections, launder the money, try to buy off a Province, etc, etc. Do you not see a problem with that?
Anyway people. I have more important things in life to do such as study for my ultralight aircraft pilot licence exam and prepare for a flight test. Not to mention watch hockey. Finally. After considering the matter closed, as far as I'm concerned, earlier in this thread. I will consider it closed now. We will have to agree to disagree whether or not you or I like it. My opinion is my opinion. You won't get anymore replies from me. Feel free to flame away.
Bye
Posted by: Leaf | 4-Jan-07 5:19:40 PM
truewest,
(And don't get me started on clueless clowns like h2o, who whines like a hippie whenever someone says something mean about conservatives. "
Actually, I was complaining about a racist and said nothing about conservatives. Why are you defending a racist?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 5-Jan-07 9:10:41 PM
Truewest, thank you so much for your comment. My Canada is very diverse, one needs to understand our diversity is not only in our background but way of thinking too. Let the engine begin, I predict a Liberal majority come March.
Posted by: Yonas | 7-Jan-07 1:55:55 PM
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