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Saturday, September 09, 2006
Calgary: Downtown rally to mark 9/11
A number of bloggers will be attending:
Uniting Calgarians by rallying in support of 9/11 victims and Canadian troops in Afghanistan is the goal of a Calgary man.
Luke Thomas said he’s concerned the terrorist attacks against the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001, are at risk of fading from memory.
“I don’t think it’s something we should forget,” said Thomas, who
has joined with friends to organize a rally outside city hall Sunday at
3 p.m.
“We also want to extended a particular invitation to the Muslim
community. This is an opportunity for the Muslim community to come out
strong,” he said. (Calgary Sun)
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Who is Luke Thomas, anyway? Just a guy who is getting his buddies together? Does that rate a story in the Sun, or is he someone more important? Why is the gathering on September 10th, not the 11th? When he says he wants to invite Muslims, did he actually invite any, or is that just a line for the newspaper?
Posted by: Melanie C | 2006-09-09 9:36:47 PM
I dont know who this Luke Thomas or his friends are, but it is nice to see (courtesy of the Sun, reliable as always) that 9/11 be honored by our fair city.
It's on the 10th because it is a Sunday, when people have the time to attend. The 11th is on a Monday, the start of the work week.
He's inviting Muslims to show that this meeting will be a rally of concerned Calgarians instead of a farce like that pro-Hezbollah Rally a few weeks back.
Never Forget, September 11, 2001.
2,973 people died that day. 343 FDNY, 23 NYPD, 37 PAPD, 12 other law enforcement also died, but they saved over 25,000 people. The tragic irony is that the evil intentions of the the terrorists were mitigated by the heroism of the emergency services.
Moreover, I recommend buying, not just renting, the film "United 93" if you want to see real heroism in action. The people on that plane were not in the military, cops or firefighters - just regular people who decided to act in their own defence. As Lincoln said in the Gettysburg Address:
"It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
By the way, I also recommend seeing "World Trade Center". Oliver Stone scrupulously avoided any political comment in this movie, and it works. Indeed, it is the perfect antedote to Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" which I haven't seen and never will.
Whenever I think of 9/11, I think of several things:
1) the firefighters racing to the rescue, each with a lump in their throats at the task before them, yet each charged up the stairs. Combined with the NYPD, PAPD and many others, they showed a new level of bravery.
US Army Col. Weircinski told his soldiers what motivated him just before they went into combat in Operation Anaconda, "For me it's 9-11, for those families that watched as their loved ones never came home. For those firefighters, emergency workers and policemen who charged up rather than came down. It's for them. We do this for them."
2) those poor people who decided to jump. A couple even held hands as they fell. What a terrible decision to make - to burn or to jump. Bin Laden will pay dearly for that.
3) Mayor Giuliani, who provided the crucial leadership that day. So much was out of his control, yet he managed to be the ray of hope in the whole event. He did so by being honest. For days afterwards, his reputation approached sainthood. Not only did he encourage the people to get on with their lives, which he demonstrated by taking a young bride down the aisle after her brother firefighter (her only living male relative) died 2 weeks before 9/11. He also returned the check that a Saudi billionaire gave to help with reconstruction efforts after he said that this would not have happened if the US changed its foreign policy. Giuliani took one look at his personal assistant, Beth Hatton, whose hero firefighter husband Capt. Terry Hatton died that day, and returned the check. What a guy!
4) United 93, the flight that fought back.
5) The positive response to the attacks by the people of Ontario. Please do not get me going on that. It always makes my blood boil. Sept 29, 2001 - front cover of the Toronto Sun = Chretien lied about the NYC Mayor's office asking him not to visit. Fortunately, he and other leaders visited in early October, but what a disgrace it was to see Chretien in the presence of Mayor Giuliani, God Bless Him.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-09-09 10:12:56 PM
Good luck on getting the muslims out...sadly many of them will be privately celebrating the 9-11 anniversay in their homes...
The fact is that the majority of muslims the world over approved of that attacks on 9-11....such is Islam folks....the ends justify the means...
Posted by: Albertanator | 2006-09-09 10:23:11 PM
Does it matter who Luke Thomas is? Show up and give support/remembrance or don't...
I'll be there.
Where will you be?
Posted by: Richard Evans | 2006-09-09 11:06:54 PM
I still remember taxi drivers cheering as the twin towers fell...in Calgary...in Canada...in the streets...I am not making this up. I think it would behove those same taxi outfits to offer free rides, in apology, to all people wishing to attend the 911 memorial as planned.
I also remember J Cretian addressing Canadian people saying it the fault of NA that the terrorists attacked; we were too prosperous he said - George Orwell and Mo Strong HORRORS!!! I will be looking forward to hearing from PM Stephen Harper on Sept 11, he will be on the side of Canadian people, not the enemy.
God will be here with all of us who pray for those who died that day, Sept 11, 2001; innocent people whom the terrorists did not know but killed anyway, the firefighters, police and civilians who thought of others before themselves, the soldiers fighting for the good of all people enslaved and threatened by terrorists, for PM Stephen Harper, for President Bush, for John Howard ... for the freedom loving people of the world - strongly included: the courageous staff of WS and many bloggers who keep all of us informed by arming us with FACTS.
Posted by: jema54j | 2006-09-09 11:45:06 PM
ENOUGH ALREADY. I'm sick of 9/11. It hurts me that so many innocent people dies, but until we still talking about the 3000 people who die every die in Africa from AIDS, then I will continue to not feel the least bit bad about people who died that day.
As Canadians, instead of glorifying this day, we should accept it as a lesson learnt without having to suffer ourselves. That lesson is, QUIT STICKING YOUR NOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG. For me, feeling about about September 11th would be like marking a day when the Nazis lost 3000 of their people. Who can feel sorry when the aggressing nation takes casualities? I do feel for the innocent, but live by the sword, you die by the sword. Fuck the USA. It was long overdue. Canada: get out of the shit before we suffer too.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 3:57:05 AM
A few days ago, conservative columnist Paul Craig Roberts had a column where he compared the administration's use of September 11th with Hitler and the Reichstag fire as a blanket cover for extraordinary measures. Now, this is coming from a conservative columnist; this is not Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't this concern you that these kind of reactions have come up especially with all the revelations about the NSA and spying?
MR. McCLELLAN: I haven't seen his column -- I haven't seen his column. But what -- your characterization I would reject wholeheartedly. [Press Briefing by Scott McClellan, 1/5/2006]
The 9/11 Reichstag Fire
The Reichstag fire on February 27, 1933 was a disaster for Communists because they received the blame for starting it, but it was a dream come true for Hitler as it allowed him to transform Germany from a democracy into a dictatorship. The rest, as they say, is history.
Excerpt from History Channel documentary detailing evidence of Hitler's supporters burning down the Reichstag in 1933
5.6 MB RealMedia video
Right-click link and select 'Save Target As' to download
"If only the German courts knew then what Hersch Fischler knows now history might well have been very different"
The Reichstag Fire -
68 years on
Did the Bush administration try the same trick on September 11, 2001?
The victims of the 9/11 attacks have been disaster for Muslims because 19 Arabs were named as hijackers of the planes, but they've been a dream come true for the PNAC 'think-tank' whose 2000 Statement of Principles stated a "catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor" would advance their policies, i.e. justify wars and "regime changes".
"This is about control over Middle East oil. [The Statement of Principles] indicates that America is aiming for global leadership, both military and economically..." - Michael Meacher, UK MP
WMV video download (831kB)
The fact that Pearl Harbor was engineered by the US government to bring America into WWII would have been known by PNAC signatories...
10 [PNAC members] are now in the Bush administration. As well as Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, they include Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage; John Bolton, who is undersecretary of state for disarmament; and Zalmay Khalilzad, the White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition. Other signatories include William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine, and Richard Perle, chairman of the advisory Defense Science Board. [ABC News 3/10/2003]
...so their statement actually referred to policy advancement through a governmentally orchestrated "catastrophic and catalyzing event" - Operation Northwoods is an example of this thinking.
The "new Pearl Harbor" occurred on 9/11...
Like his father, Bush tries to keep a daily diary of his thoughts and observations. That night, he dictated: "The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today." [Washington Post]
...and now wars and "regime changes" are justified by the events of that day:
U.S. President George W Bush ... defended the war in Iraq, telling Americans the United States was forced into war because of the Sept 11 terror strikes. [Japan Today 17/06/05]
"The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century" effectively thrust PNAC's radical ideas to the fore, so were the events of 9/11 governmentally orchestrated?
Well, there were many exercises prior to 9/11 which related specifically to the events of that day:
NORAD conducted exercises with fighter jets simulating hijacked planes flown into the World Trade Center in the two years before the attacks. Pentagon planners also envisioned the attack on the Pentagon five months before it happened.
WMV video download (936kB)
From July 26, 2001 John Ashcroft stopped traveling on commercial airlines:
In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term. [CBS News]
World Trade Center staff received evacuation drills prior to 9/11:
Ben Fountain, 42, a financial analyst with Fireman's Fund, was coming out of the Chambers Street Station, headed for his office on the 47th floor of the south tower. "How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on." [People]
On September 10 top Pentagon officials were compelled to cancel travel plans:
On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns. [MSNBC 9/24/2001]
Also on September 10 Willie Brown, the former Mayor of San Francisco, was warned about air travel:
Brown received a warning about 10 PM on the evening of September 10 to be cautious about air travel. He was scheduled to fly to into New York City. Brown refuses to say exactly who gave him the prescient warning, citing only "my security people at the airport." [SFGate 9/12/2001]
President Bush's cousin had a fortunate change of venue for a September 11 business conference:
President Bush's cousin should have been in the World Trade Centre when it was attacked. Jim Pierce, managing director of AON Corporations, had arranged a business conference on the 105th floor of the South Tower where its New York offices were based. But his group was too large so they decided to move across the street to the Millennium Hotel. [Annova]
An imminent attack was forecast...
"The Director of the CIA warned that there could be an attack—an imminent attack—on the United States of this nature. So this is not entirely unexpected." [Memory Hole]
...maybe that's why FEMA was in New York on September 10.
Last, but not least, the timing of the 9/11 attacks was a "Godsend" for the Bush Administration.
I guess the above could be seen as coincidences, but why did planes flying into buildings prompt White House staff to start taking Cipro?
In October [2001], press reports revealed that White House staff had been on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic Cipro since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Judicial Watch wants to know why White House workers, including President Bush, began taking the drug nearly a month before anthrax was detected on Capitol Hill. [WorldNetDaily]
How was it known that Bush was secure in Booker Elementary School during the attacks?
How was it known that the World Trade Center was going to collapse?
Why did explosions occur before the WTC collapses?
Why was WTC 7 rigged for demolition?
Why has no-one been held accountable for the lack of military response on 9/11?
Why were innocent Arabs named as hijackers?
Why do pre-9/11 inside trades on AA and UA options lead to the highest ranks of the CIA?
Why did Bush try to limit the 9/11 probe, starve it of funds, and obstruct investigations?
There can be only one reason for the above: 9/11 wasn't a surprise attack, it was a governmentally orchestrated "catastrophic and catalyzing event" - the Nazis attempted to initiate a New World Order by burning the Reichstag, an identical objective lay behind the 9/11 attacks.
"There is a chance for the President of the United States to use the disaster . . . to carry out what his father - a phrase his father used I think only once, and it hasn't been used since - and that is a New World Order."
Senator Gary Hart,
Sept. 14, 2001 [mp3]
The attacks had the desired catalysing effect...
"I can hear you, the rest of the world hears you ... and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
WMV video download (563kB)
...and gave the US government the green light to start a pre-planned war in Afghanistan - how convenient it was that the head of the Northern Alliance was assassinated on September 9, 2001.
The attacks also created a much needed enemy and stripped US citizens of liberties in the guise of fighting terrorism.
"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death." - Adolph Hitler
"There will be no going back to the era before September 11, 2001, to false comfort in a dangerous world."
WMV video download (123kB)
Watch the History Channel documentary excerpt detailing the burning of the Reichstag and note the parallels to today's 'War on Terror', then read these Bush family connections to 9/11 and dictatorship.
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator" - G.W. Bush [CNN 12/18/00]
CNN video of dictatorship comment
“Who gives a flying fuck what the polls say,” he screamed at a recent strategy meeting. “I’m the President and I’ll do whatever I goddamned please. They don’t know shit.” [Capitol Hill Blue 8/25/05]
"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." - President Harry S. Truman.
Another 'al Qaeda' attack will most likely result in America coming under military rule.
A draft Bush administration plan for special military courts seeks to expand the reach and authority of such "commissions" to include trials, for the first time, of people who are not members of al-Qaeda or the Taliban and are not directly involved in acts of international terrorism, according to officials familiar with the proposal. [Washington Post 7/2/06]
The Constitution of the United States would be consigned to history.
PATRIOT Act II would become legislation - not nice.
Plans for establishing civilian labor camps have already been drafted.
The Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) announced on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps. Two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006). This $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided only $90 million for the same purpose. [Pacific News 2/21/06]
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See also:
Fascism Comes to the US: The Utah Rave Video
Fake Terror - The Road To War And Dictatorship
The "War on Terror" - Index of What Really Happened
Posted by: Edmontonian | 2006-09-10 5:51:28 AM
BYU Professor on Paid Leave for 9-11 Theory
September 8th, 2006 @ 9:59pm
Gene Kennedy Reporting
Brigham Young University administrators are trying to find out the extent of one professor's involvement in blaming the September 11th terrorist attacks on the government.
According to a copyrighted Deseret Morning News article, Dr. Steven Jones is on paid leave for suggesting the government is responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center.
Jones is a physics professor involved in what's called the "9-11 Truth Movement."
Jones believes unnamed government agencies orchestrated the fall of the twin towers, and he says there's evidence to back it up.
Two weeks ago he published his theory in a paper called, "Why Indeed did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?" In it, the professor says the towers fell not because of planes hitting them, but because of pre-positioned demolition charges.
He cites research conducted at BYU on materials from ground zero, asserting those materials show evidence of thermite, a compound used in military detonations. He says terrorists could have never set those charges.
Jones spoke this summer at a scholars' symposium in California.
Dr. Steven Jones/ BYU Physics Professor: "The chain of events leads me to reluctantly conclude that indeed there does seem to be insiders. In other words, not just hijacked planes, but also others setting these thermite cutting charges into the World Trade Center and bringing them down."
The State Department has released a rebuttal to Jones' theory in a 10-thousand page report.
BYU made this statement last night"
"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty.
"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."
The university added, "BYU remains concerned that Dr. Jones' works on this topic has not been published in appropriate scientific venues."
It is rare for some in Dr. Jones' position to be under review because he has taught at BYU for more than two decades.
He began his career at the university in 1985 and has been known for his cold fusion research. Other professors will teach his classes while he's on paid leave.
He will be allowed to conduct research in his field but the university is reviewing his actions.
(The Deseret Morning News Contributed to this Report.)
Posted by: Kyle | 2006-09-10 5:57:48 AM
Heres why we should rally amd support 9-11, this is what I say to my compadres
From your fucked up values and religious whacks like your president, to your arrogant “I love oil” nature and your love for attempting to fuck other countries up with your “superior” defence force. I hate the way you think that America is responsible for all good in this world. You’re not.
You did not invent human rights, you did not invent sliced bread, or the wheel, AND JESUS WAS NOT BORN IN TEXAS. NOR WAS HE WHITE.
AND HE DID NOT SLEEP WITH YOUR SISTER. Although I’m sure you did.
I hate you so much that I want to draw a tan^-1(1) with my fist to your face. (NO, YOU DID NOT INVENT TRIANGLES)
I hate how you complain about the price of oil, while you rape your planet with your fat ass, McDonald’s eating, gas guzzling fuck Hummers of hell.
I hate how you feel the need to liberate random countries from “oppression” and instill your proud and wonderful freedom and democracy.
I also hate your “Patriot Act” which effectively removes all forms of freedom and democracy from your country… and allows your government to go all fascist on you ass, while you sit in your homes and hate gays, blacks, Hispanics, Mexicans, the Spanish, Cubans, Latinos (that’s ignorance for you)
I hate how you destroy the English language using the letter z in random places, and leaving out u in others. Your education system is fucked up. NO ONE TEACHES CREATIONISM ANY MORE.
You piss me off by being the most religious country in the Western world, with your conservative values hindering the progress of mankind.
And fuck you and your nuclear warheads trying to fuck this planet up, while making sure to condemn any Arab that ever tries to enrich Uranium (ooh laa dee daa)
I hate your conservative, Jewish-owned media with your O’Reillys and Coulters spouting pro-Bush, Christian (figure that?) propaganda, and telling you that Bush taking away your freedom is the greatest liberty you will ever receive.
I hate the Westboro Baptist Church, allowed to exist because of your fundie values and gay hating economics.
I hate your consumerist whore views, buying things just because rich guys in suits tell you to.
And I hate your disgusting superiority complex, segregating all races except Americans (ye, that’s a race) and fucking over your neighbours to the south by not allowing them to speak Spanish, and thinking that you are far better than Canada. You’re not.
I hate your “obesity epidemic” while people in Africa starve. JUST DON’T FUCKING EAT.
And also, I hate the way you stereotype yourself so much that I can go off on rants such as these.
So FUCK YOU
Posted by: Rallysupporter | 2006-09-10 6:02:28 AM
Those darn taxi drivers--cheering on 9-11! Lets declare war on all taxi drivers, hahaha, fucking bunch of flag waving retards these guys.
Posted by: TaxiDriver | 2006-09-10 6:18:03 AM
For you knuckleheads that supported the Iraq war years ago, thinking it was about democracy and believing the right wing brainwashing of the well paid media--the U.S public itself now see's reality for what it is:(at the cost of the utter misery of the Iraqi population). I guess the Bush administration is brilliant in their knowledge of how stupid and gullible people can be--which, given the sentiments of the Western Standard and some above bloggers equates in my mind, to an organization chalk full of extremely stupid, niave and gullible individuals, who would believe Saddam Hussein had ties to 9-11 or that there is life on Pluto so long as the U.S president told them so while throwing in a few "liberties", "freedoms" and "facisms" here and there.
Polls show opposition to Iraq war at all-time high
Sixty percent also say terrorism is more likely in US because of Iraq.
A series of polls taken over the last few weeks of August show that support for the war in Iraq among Americans is at an all-time low. Almost two-thirds of Americans in each of three major polls say that they oppose the war, the highest totals since pollsters starting asking Americans the question three years ago. Many of the polls were conducted in advance of the fifth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks on Washington and New York.
A new Associated Press/Ipsos poll that surveyed the country, and more specifically residents of Washington and New York, shows that many feel the cost in blood and money in Iraq may already be too high and that Osama bin Laden will never be found. The poll also showed that 60 percent of Americans believe that the war in Iraq has increased the chances of a terrorist attack in the US.
"I think there's a fatigue about the price of doing these activities," said Robert Blendon, a specialist in public opinion at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. "There's also a concern about the competency of how well we're doing them."
Some of the divisions are from political differences. For example, Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to think the cost of the terror fight may be too high and twice as likely to think Iraq is making terrorism worse. And this comes when the nation has gone five years without an attack – possibly making the terror war seem less urgent to some.
Popular support for the war on terror helped neutralize opposition to the Iraq war for a long time, said political analyst Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute. "Now the negative effect of Iraq is dragging down support for the war on terror," he said.
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On the question of which political party can do a better job of protecting the US, both parties lost support since an April poll. But in another sign of trouble for the Bush administration, the AP/Ipsos poll also shows that more Americans believe the Democrats will do a better job than Republicans, 47-40 percent.
A new CNN poll shows that only about one-third of Americans now support the war in Iraq, with 61 percent opposed. Fifty-one percent of Americans see President Bush as a strong leader, although he doesn't do well in other areas of the survey.
Most Americans (54 percent) don't consider him honest, most (54 percent) don't think he shares their values and most (58 percent) say he does not inspire confidence. Bush's stand on the issues is also problematic, with more than half (57 percent) of Americans saying they disagree with him on the issues they care about. That's an indication that issues, not personal characteristics, are keeping his approval rating well below 50 percent ...
Bush dismissed a question about his popularity during a news conference Monday.
"I don't think you've ever heard me say: 'Gosh, I better change positions because the polls say this or that,'" he told reporters. "I've been here long enough to understand, you cannot make good decisions if you're trying to chase a poll." He added, "I'm going to do what I think is right, and if, you know, if people don't like me for it, that's just the way it is."
A Princeton Survey Research Associates International poll conducted Aug. 24-25 for Newsweek shows that 63 percent of Americans disapprove of the way the president has handled Iraq. A CBSNews/New York Times poll conducted Aug. 17-21 shows 65 percent of Americans disapprove of the way the president is dealing with Iraq. Among those who identified themselves as independents, 67 percent disapprove.
Finally, a survey by Quinnipiac University Polling Institute found that 60 percent of Americans believe screening of people who look "Middle Eastern" at airports and train stations is OK.
Quinnipiac's director of polling, Maurice Carroll, said he was surprised by the apparent public support for racial profiling. "What's the motivation there -- is it bigotry, or is it fear or is it practicality?" he said.
The Quinnipiac poll also found that Americans considered the 9/11 attacks of more significance than the attack on Pearl Harbor. But the findings varied considerably among age groups, with 9/11 being the most important event among those 35 and under, but with Pearl Harbor being more important those 65 and older.
"People have fresh memories of 9-11 and many don't have any memories at all of Pearl Harbor, and those who do don't have fresh memories of it," said Bruce Schulman, a Boston University professor of history and American studies. "We also feel pretty confident that we know how the results of Pearl Harbor turned out, and we certainly don't know what the consequences of 9-11 are going to turn out to be.
Posted by: OntheIraqwar | 2006-09-10 6:21:10 AM
"QUIT STICKING YOUR NOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG"
Canadians died too. Melanie - The Muslim reference was taken out of context and it was just a bunch of buddies getting together but you can never have enough friends.
Posted by: Darcey | 2006-09-10 8:56:02 AM
lefty-99: Quit sticking our noses where they don't belong ? Like in Africa where you stated all the people are dying of aids ? Make up your mind what you want, you pansy.
Posted by: MarkAlta | 2006-09-10 9:11:58 AM
Mark, you beat me to it!
Lefty, by your reasoning the western countries should not send another dime to any other country ever again, no matter the suffering due to disease, famine, war or whatever. We should mind our own business when we see genocides occur, forget about pushing our governments to intervene.
Just imagine funneling all that aid money, and all that social conscience to helping the unfortunates in our own societies. We'd never have homeless people or poverty stricken children and families again! It would be utopia!!
You're right, we shouldn't stick our noses where they don't belong.
Posted by: DW | 2006-09-10 10:40:27 AM
Our noses belong where we are helping people, it does not belong where we are killing people and defending that hellhole of a nation.
Bravo to the folks providing the previous comments damning the Iraq war, 9/11, and the USA in general. All you consevative morons spout off about facts and truth, when you don't see any of that yourself. You see money and your racist beliefs.
PS, the hellhole nation I was referring to was the US.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 10:41:02 AM
Our noses belong where we are helping people, it does not belong where we are killing people and defending that hellhole of a nation.
Bravo to the folks providing the previous comments damning the Iraq war, 9/11, and the USA in general. All you consevative morons spout off about facts and truth, when you don't see any of that yourself. You see money and your racist beliefs.
PS, the hellhole nation I was referring to was the US.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 10:41:11 AM
Mark, you beat me to it!
Lefty, by your reasoning the western countries should not send another dime to any other country ever again, no matter the suffering due to disease, famine, war or whatever. We should mind our own business when we see genocides occur, forget about pushing our governments to intervene.
Just imagine funneling all that aid money, and all that social conscience to helping the unfortunates in our own societies. We'd never have homeless people or poverty stricken children and families again! It would be utopia!!
You're right, we shouldn't stick our noses where they don't belong.
Posted by: DW | 2006-09-10 10:41:27 AM
Our noses belong where we are helping people, it does not belong where we are killing people and defending that hellhole of a nation.
Bravo to the folks providing the previous comments damning the Iraq war, 9/11, and the USA in general. All you consevative morons spout off about facts and truth, when you don't see any of that yourself. You see money and your racist beliefs.
PS, the hellhole nation I was referring to was the US.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 10:42:34 AM
We should only be helping people. OK, who gets to decide who deserves our help? Or what form that help takes? You?
Say in Darfur...to stop the genocide it's likely there would be battles. Should our guys go unarmed so that they couldn't defend against the nice militants attempting to murder them?
As for AIDS...the west gives plenty to African nations whose corrupt officials pocket the money. What do you think we should do better there?
It's pretty easy to say help the world, but a little more complex than you seem to think.
Posted by: DW | 2006-09-10 10:54:11 AM
lefty99: what if the only way to help people is to defend them against their enemies? That is going on right now in Afghanistan.
The UN Charter specifically allows intervention in order to assist the Security Council and the Member States carry out a required mission.
You on the "left" see only hoaxes and conspiracy theories instead of facts and truths. The NDP fully supported the Afghanistan mission until it became politically expedient for them to oppose it. For shame.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-09-10 10:57:28 AM
I completely agree DW. You have a respected celebrity in Bono, and the richest man in the world Bill Gates, both trying to save Africa. And what have they achieved? Very little, and that's what frustrates me the most. That's what makes me feel so useless and small.
For you conservatives, its the same with terrorism. The strongest military in the world, despite billions of dollars, global assistance, and convincing the majority of the western world, they have accomplished almost nothing.
I don't know what the solution is, for either problem. But, apparantly, and as was the point of Jack Leyton when he said he wants to negotiate with the Taliban, is that what we're doing now is simply not working. We need fresh ideas, and fresh thinking people, worldwide.
One thing that righties like you and lefties like me can always agree on is that the world is a fukced up place right now. And whether its your ideals or mine that can change it, well, I guess that what elections are for.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 11:05:14 AM
Pike, the NDP did support the Afghanistan mission, but there were two reasons for that:
1) at the time, it was to be a peace keeping mission, not an all out war. no one foresaw the difficuly and deaths that would come of this.
2) the NDP's theory was "better Afghanistan than Iraq", which I suppose is true. Canada felt an obligation to help the US in some way, so better a "peace keeping" mission than an aggressive, illegal war.
The only enemy we're helping here is the USA. Sure, the Taliban treated their people like shit, but not as bad as the Sudanese government, Robert Mugabe, etc etc etc. No one had even heard of the Taliban before 9/11, but the USA needed their buffer in the middle east. You guys don't seem to understand this. Its called strategic positioning, and now with Afghanistan on the east and Israel on the west, they have the middle east surrounded. It is not, and has never been about helping people. The US won't help their own people, neverming other nations.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 11:13:31 AM
Lefty, when bad things happen anywhere in the world it's always the US people come running to for help. And the Americans are usually the first to offer help in disasters like the Christmas tsunami, earthquakes, etc.
They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
And you can bet your ass that if Canada ever suffers a disaster or attack(don't forget that we are infidels too and don't forget the To17) the US would be here for us in a heartbeat.
Perfect? Nope. But who is?
Posted by: DW | 2006-09-10 11:22:34 AM
"The only enemy we're helping here is the USA."
The US is our enemy? Since when?
"Sure, the Taliban treated their people like shit, but not as bad as the Sudanese government, Robert Mugabe, etc etc etc. No one had even heard of the Taliban before 9/11,"
Not true, the Taliban had been a major concern for the UN for years beforehand. Multiple UN SC resolutions had been passed imposing tough sanctions against them.
"...but the USA needed their buffer in the middle east. You guys don't seem to understand this. Its called strategic positioning, and now with Afghanistan on the east and Israel on the west, they have the middle east surrounded."
Riiiight, and 9/11 had nothing to do with the war in Afghanistan. Iran gave its approval to the Coalition war in Afghanistan because it was better than having a vacuum next door. Moreover, Afghanistan is a terrible place from which to stage operations against other countries. Its infrastructure - air and military bases - are both in poor quality and quantity. Israel, on the other hand, could make a good base but it's already full of Israeli troops.
Iraq is a much better place to build bases, but even then it is unlikely to be used as such. The iraqi people wouldnt stand for it.
"It is not, and has never been about helping people. The US won't help their own people, neverming other nations."
They seem to help yours a great deal. However, it is standard NDP/Liebral policy to see themselves as victims. In reality, they are the greatest friends one could ever hope for. God Bless America on Sept 11, we stand with you.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-09-10 11:29:33 AM
Better check your facts mate. The Bush administration took a lot of heat for being one of the last countries to pledge money to the Tsunami disaster. Germany, in fact, was the largest contributor.
Also, in a recent BBC article, the USA finished last of a list of the 21 richest nations in foreign aid. To top it off, most of it was contigent on the purchase of american made goods, they called it a "backdoor subsidy for american interest".
Bastards.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 11:36:08 AM
I didn't say the US was our eneny, I meant the US is an enemy of the Taliban, so we're helping the US, not the Afghan people.
The average person never heard of the Taliban before 9/11 is what I meant.
Read my previous post about the US "helping" people. And they don't help us, we help them. Our oil, minerals, energy, etc helps them more than their money helps us.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 11:42:18 AM
That's funny - US warships (that's right, WARships) were among the first foreigners to arrive at the Tsunami, providing excellent support for relief efforts. It took Canada weeks to arrive because you people couldn't get any aircraft.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-09-10 11:42:54 AM
The Taliban is also the enemy of the Afghan government and people. Therefore Canada, and others including the US, are there to help the Afghani government and people defeat their Taliban enemies.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-09-10 11:44:38 AM
Wake up man. This conversation is over. It's amazing how much you've been brainwashed. For the last time, "ITS NOT ABOUT HELPING THE AFGHAN PEOPLE". I said before, if it was about helping people, we'd be in the Sudan, or Niger, or the Cote d'Ivoire, or Zimbabwe, or Sri Lanka, or Cambodia, or East Timor, etc etc etc. God your blind.
Oh, and gee, I wonder what US warships happened to be doing in the South Pacific? Hmm... LOL.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 11:50:12 AM
lefty, what exactly did your beloved liberal guvment do for tsunami relief? a couple of cheap photo ops for paul martin and a few thousand dollars that somehow never materialized.
God bless America, her people and her president.
Posted by: kelly | 2006-09-10 11:55:08 AM
First of all, I'm not a Liberal supporter.
Secondly, I don't know what we gave for donations because I was in Africa at the time, and I've also never said that Canada is much better at helping other countries.
Fuck America, fuck her people, and fuck her president. Fuck God too while we're at it.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 12:04:06 PM
"I said before, if it was about helping people, we'd be in the Sudan, or Niger, or the Cote d'Ivoire, or Zimbabwe, or Sri Lanka, or Cambodia, or East Timor, etc etc etc."
And who exactly is helping these people? The UN? The EU? Canada? All the Commonwealth could do was boot Zimbabwe out. One cannot expect the US to do it all in spite of their power.
If that is your sole rationale for hating America, then you're the one who is blind.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2006-09-10 12:15:24 PM
Lol, if that was my sole rationale for hating America, then I wouldn't hate them. I don't have the time or the desire to type a five page essay on the reasons why one should hate America.
Also, I didn't say that the USA should help all those countries or that they should take on that burden alone.My point was that the people of those nations need our help a lot more than the people of Afghanistan or Iraq. The UN, the EU, Canada, none of them do enough to help. Its our responsibilty as lucky, rich nations to help out the less fortunate.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 12:29:15 PM
Lefty_99,
Over 3,000 people died on 9.11
And their deaths came from the evil inclinations of wealthy Arab islamofacists.
Thousands of people die of AIDs, each and every single day.
And their deaths come from the inability of them, or someone they know, to ensure that the 100% preventable disease, was not transmitted.
Fact remains, no one dances in the streets, to the deaths of people who die from AIDs. And yet, around the world, millions will celebrate the deaths of the innocent victims of 9.11.
There is no such thing as a political movement backing the spread of AIDs; simply to blame is human ignorance. And yet, there is a political movement, called islamofacism, that is backing terrorism of the west. Therefore, these two issues have no moral equivalence whatsoever.
You can choose which one means more to you.
That is up to you.
No one wants people to die from AIDs, and yet islamofacists, brainwashed death-cultists, wish for death and destruction of people they have never met, and have judged according to their 1,300 year old principles.
You know what islamofacists do to gays?
You would rather we here obsessed with AIDs victims andnignored islamofacism?
But the article above is not about AIDs victims, it is about the commemoration of 9.11, and what that means.
We will never forget the faces of the individuals who danced in the streets, and handed out candy and pastries, to people passing by, while thousands perished.
AIDs is nothing to commemorate. It is something that should be wiped off the face of the earth. And, the very people with the stuff to wipe it out, are the ones being attacked by the islamofacists. The islamofacists are sick people! They are as sick, if not sicker, than the khomer rouge and the nazis combined!
Prior to 9.11, islam was just another religion, and every single nation who lived by it, was seen as just another backward nation, struggling for freedom, through incoherent means; being exploited by dictators and ignorance; yearning for democracy and western values. Islamofacism was seen as a perversion rather than the centre of their beliefs.
Since 9.11, islam is not longer perceived by the majority of people on earth, as just another religion. And this is true, even of muslims themselves.
Those westernized muslims have begun to be seen as both the cutting edge of positive change, as well as very much away from the core beliefs, and not the central cabal.
This tragic change in the preception by the world, of islam, is the responsibility of those who adhere to it, to either change themselves, and join the rest of the world, in peace, or continue to face scorn. And each and every single time 9.11 commemoration occurs, and they miss out in joining with the world, against islamofacism, they feed the fires of fear, loathing and hatred.
Although they miss out, it never hurts to hope they will join in on the commemoration, and be a part of the peaceful freedom and liberty loving people of the world. I hope they do!
The islamofacists furthermore, render themselves down to being considered unworthy. Although some say, the exceptance of this ensures they remain in their violent ways, nothing good ever came from those whose lives existed in a position of ill-will to all. I do not expect them to change, and make improvements in the perception of themselves, by the rest of the world, anytime soon.
Although one can legislate against discrimination, one cannot legislate for view in a free world. Only in locations where submission is the order of the day, in places where people do not experience freedom, can view be controlled.
The submission demanding types control view, by limiting media, burning books, banning books, and radically limiting speach and Internet access. Lives are prescribed, from the moment they wake up, to the time they sleep. In that world, and in that view, they are told who to hate, and who to blame their everyday problems onto, the least of which is the actual entity of responsibility, their own dispicably controlling states.
Although you might think that you are intending to be seen as a person who wishes that people would take the AIDs issue more seriousley, I view you and folks with you, as individuals who are ignorant of what is clearly becoming the darkest hour in the history of islam.
Posted by: Lady | 2006-09-10 12:57:18 PM
lefty-99: We went to Afghanistan to kill the bloody Taliban muslim nutbars that trained other muslims to kill us poor infidels. The fact that we are now helping the Afghanis is a nice byproduct. It is not any governments job to help the less fortunate, that is what private citizens do best...governments just waste the money...see Libranos history.
Posted by: MarkAlta | 2006-09-10 2:57:46 PM
I organized the rally and thanks to dust my broom people we had a few of us.
It is pathetic that given the 1 million people in Calgary we could not get even 50 people out to support our troops and honor the victims of 9/11.
The rally was mentioned in the Sat SUN on page 2 and I am sure in the Christian paper City Light news and on DMB.com and WS blog, yet so few people?
The fact is that the lefty hezbollah peace nicks had more people out than us- that is sad indeed.
Posted by: Luke | 2006-09-10 6:23:02 PM
Luke,
You might have proved that Sun "readers" (and I use that term loosely), Christians, Dust My Broom readers, and Shotgun readers
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-09-10 6:50:59 PM
Luke,
You might have proved that Sun "readers" (and I use that term loosely), Christians, Dust My Broom readers, and Shotgun readers who live in Calgary don't care. But don't generalize beyond that.
And by the way, just what DID you do to invite Muslims, as you claim you did in the Sun? Telepathy?
Posted by: Mark Logan | 2006-09-10 6:53:23 PM
I've met a lot of leftists who were normal, decent albeit misguided people. Then there are folks like Lefty_99 who wears his hatred like a badge of honour and clearly needs professional help. He would fit well into the ranks of Islamo-facists with their philosophy of "Agree with me or I'll kill you."
Mark Logan is a bit "off-the wall" too but, at least, I wouldn't be afraid to turn my back on him. If Lefty believes even 10% of his spew, he is very dangerous indeed.
Posted by: Zog | 2006-09-10 9:23:26 PM
Oh my god, only 50 people? That's hilarious. I went to rally on the anniversay of America's invasion of Iraq at the American consulate, and it was -10C and there were more people there protesting the invasion than showed up on a perfect day to remember 9/11.
Oh, and Lady, I began to read your comment but it was so long, boring, totally practiced and so contrived that I stopped, so I have no comment to give back.
Posted by: Lefty_99 | 2006-09-10 9:28:46 PM
Why do you people insist on engaging this sick "Lefty" bastard? He exemplifies the rot, sickness and hypocrisy that is all to common with the far left these days. By engaging him you simply enable him to spew his bile, hatred and racism towards you, and your own country.
Disgusting, ignore him and he will go away.
Posted by: deepblue | 2006-09-11 7:06:00 AM
Ummm A quick note to "Lefty":
Your side has had a monopoly on activism for the past 50 years now?
We're just starting to gain some steam. Sure we had 10 people out this time. Next time it will be more. And more again after that.
Gloat all you'd like right now but be aware that things are going to change a little...
Posted by: Richard Evans | 2006-09-11 7:33:10 AM
Ummm A quick note to "Lefty":
Your side has had a monopoly on activism for the past 50 years now?
We're just starting to gain some steam. Sure we had 10 people out this time. Next time it will be more. And more again after that.
Gloat all you'd like right now but be aware that things are going to change a little...
Posted by: Richard Evans | 2006-09-11 7:39:31 AM
Lefty_99,
You have no response, because the arguement is tight! I am right! AIDs is a 100% preventable disease. As soon as people get it, the disease will be wiped off of the face of the planet.
There are diseases that are not preventable.
And, there are miseries that are 100% preventable.
On 9.11, it is clear, that all those people who died, on 9.11, may have well been alive today. And the sufferring that was inflicted on their families and loved ones, could have been prevented, 100%
But you, and the AIDs movement, do not sound as though you are interested in 100% prevention, because that would mean your favorite issue, the one you wish would trump all other issues into non-existence, would disapear.
The true aim, of all true activists, is to work to ensure that their cause goes away. Only folks whose identity is wrapped up in their cause, also known as NDP, and who lust after power and money, as do the NDP, and whose aim is to do so through whatever means, including befriending the terrorist forces, run away and hide their fanny's, when the debate gets going!
Then, you pop your head up, when you think the coast is clear, and start back at the very beginning, as if you never lost the debate in the first place!
The islamofacist terrorist forces would destroy all the corporations that design and produce the drugs, that treat people with AIDs. When America was attacked, on 9.11, they were attacked at the same time. And all we hear from the stupid NDP, is that they want to pull out of the war against terror! Well, if we did, many more people, including the children of the grannies, would be without medicine. And by that I do mean the life saving drugs, they need, in order to live!
Or, perhaps you would like to send them alternative medicine instead?
OK, fill your sandals!
Preventing AIDs means taking real action. It saves real lives.
Preventing terror, is important. But it does mean taking a few lives. And taking a few lives, also means saving the innocent lives, and the children, who were born with AIDs, to parents who failed to prevent their disease and early deaths! How so? Because the islamofacist forces, are not the type of people, who do the research and design the drugs, that save people's lives! Their way of being would dry up the world economy, and send us back to the dark ages, in the flick of a homicidal bomber's switch!
Posted by: Lady | 2006-09-11 11:26:54 AM
people have to stop giving haters like Lefty props to hit you with. You cannot see what a depressed lonely left wing cry baby he is. The fact that all you read from his is " I hate hate hate" should be enough for you to see he has no real argument so all he does is cry like a defeated fool he is.
The rest of you should ignore him till he posts a real arguement and not the copy paste of leftist garbage he bores us with.
One second he tells us to keep our noses out of here but like a lefty he then turns around and cries that we are not sticking our noses far enough over there. This is typical of sore losers, you picked your side lefty, now that your losing you cry like the loser you are.
You said Lady was long and boring, but yours is childish and lacks real substance. Are you thirteen and just joined a Socialist club or something, or is the fact your party is a joke to much for you so you just lash out like a child.
Hate America all you want it shows your childish streak. But ti will not fix anything. Just like your silly rant, it shows your lack of substance and inability to post so useful info. What to busy hating to think of a LOGICAL solution.
Posted by: Sal | 2006-09-11 2:24:23 PM
Sal,
NDP is a "joke".
You said that right!
Their main existence is to fight capitalism. and, since America is capitalist, they have made it their raison d'etre, to hate America and be anti-American.
That is why their leadership can never be trusted with leading our country. Because they have an alterior motive, to leading the country, in the best interests of our country. In fact, I bet they are scurrying around, looking up in dictionaries, the meaning of best interests, as no one ever discusses Canada's best interests, or our nation's best interests, in any way, shape or form, in the NDP. It is all whereas to resolution, with no actual care of what effect that has on the sum of Canada.
Posted by: Lady | 2006-09-11 3:47:41 PM
Its sad that Rice cannot even come to Canada for one day, on a very sad day to say thankyou to ordinary Canadians for helping out, without leftists protesting. Its not only an insult to her but to the Canadians who opened there hearts and homes to americans. Shame
Posted by: john a. | 2006-09-11 6:29:39 PM
Today was a complete loss. I've just been hanging out doing nothing. I've more or less been doing nothing. I can't be bothered with anything recently. I guess it doesn't bother me.
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