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Sunday, June 04, 2006
It's all about me, me, meeee!
I have been watching poor Police Chief Bill Blair talking to the Muslim community in Toronto, where he has been answering essentially the same question over and over for nearly two hours: What are you going to do to make sure Toronto Muslims will not be affected by any type of anti-Muslim backlash?Because it's all about them.
Why the hell isn't Bill Blair right this moment downtown talking to leaders of the financial sector, the tourism bureau, and the staff at City Hall, reassuring them that they will be safe, instead of hand-holding the terrorists?
The leaders of the Muslim community are bitching about the arrests instead of backing law enforcement to clean their community of those who sully its good name. Why would a religion of peace, a community that is innocent, why would they do that?
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» Terror Arrests: How Will Canada React? from Sagebrush
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Comments
Good questions RG. I was watching the same thing wondering the same thing. What about those Muslims doing more to help keep the rest of this country safe ? The hypocrisy is amazing. If they don't like being in the position they are in, they should get off their butts and do something about the hate-filled rhetoric of their own radicals.
I especially loved how they kept bringing up the causes of the anger (of the alleged terrorists) eg. our presence in iraq, Afghanistan and treatment of Muslims around the world. Never heard them mention the Christians being killed by Muslims in darfur, Nigeria etc. guess that slipped their minds.
Posted by: MarkAlta | 2006-06-04 2:31:34 PM
I watched the press conference and just about vomited at the ass kissing by the police chief. Suddenly, or i should say, as usual,it is about protecting the Muslims from the what? Christians? Non-muslims? what a load of crap. The cheif actually articulated to the effect 'this is not about religion'. Jeesh! Also Aly HindY was on just on CTV - only say last portion though i got the feeling he was not grilled about his comments blaming threatened jon loos at CSIS & RCMP for the arrests. Read Imam claims charges by adrain himphreys, nat post today
Posted by: Bookman8 | 2006-06-04 2:42:09 PM
Yikes, those guys(imams) are the leadership of the muslim community?
Posted by: Wow | 2006-06-04 2:52:52 PM
It's was so nice that those fine young boys were supporting the CUPE boycott by buying fertilizer to grow food for the downtrodden Palestinians. Now that they been arrested for no apparent reason, who is going to tend to the crops?
Posted by: mandrake the shmendrake | 2006-06-04 3:08:58 PM
As a farmer I am able to buy 34-0-0. I need it to grow a crop, and I need a lot of it. I am so f..ing sick of the stinking liberal tradition of bringing tax auditors and taxi drivers only into this country and working my ass off for nothing in the farming sector only to see my tax dollars being wasted on the 7th century maniacs I want to puke. These monsters hate us because we are who we are we know how to grow food we know how to build cars, we know how to extract oil from the ground, we are good people like our parents and what have these morons given the world... There isnt one part of their arsenal that wasn't invented for good by our society, I dont see them riding a camel down younge street with a sword screaming death to Canada. We waste time and money on these scum I cant believe where that communist trudeau and his stinking liberal ilk have taken this once proud country. I for one am proud of my ancestors contribution to this great society but if we stand by and do nothing we all risk living like these tribal bastards and dodging roadside bombs and homicide bombers. Don't listen to the cbc and their apologists people listen to you ancestors.
Posted by: bartinsky | 2006-06-04 3:31:21 PM
Let me get this straight: the Toronto Star reports that the suspects received their fertilizer courtesy of an RCMP undercover operation. Sounds more like they planted it on them.
Now the Toronto PD is worried about a Muslim backlash. They can't/won't do anything about the gun deaths, but they're concerned for peoples' "feelings". How quaint.
Maybe if the cops weren't working both sides of the story, this never would have happened! On one hand there's entrapment, and on the other there's a false sense of duty.
This will not end well. Thank goodness that it happens in Tronna, the racist city of death.
Posted by: Scott | 2006-06-04 3:38:18 PM
It's not entrapment. Narcs have been selling drugs to dealers for years in order to catch them dealing. It's normal. vice does it too. Why not the anti-terror squad?
RG
Posted by: RightGirl | 2006-06-04 3:40:42 PM
I watched that conference also and I am not happy to say that I was not surprised by the 'response' of CTV talking heads. They jumped right into the sack with the 'Muslim concerns'.
Of course, this really is all about the 'me,me media', it is not about the media concern for the Islamic people. The MSM is 'mad as Hell' at Prime Minister Harper and if they can install 'fear of the Islamic Terrorists' - in our country..in our cities, in our streets, in Canada...and da proof is da proof..dhay are not making dis up...BINGO ..if PMSH had not rattled the Islamic cage by siding in with those noisy democracies like U.S.A., Australia and GB we could have glided out this battle for freedom by using the U.S.A., GB and Australia to fight the war while we played on both benches, mouthing support for both teams.
Soooo it is all PMSH's fault that this has happened in Canada...in our streets.. blah blah...BECAUSE PMSH voiced support for our own soldiers in Afghanistan and the righteousness of Canada's mission in Afghanistan.
Blame the PMSH for getting milquetoast Canada into 'trouble' was the message I heard....from CTV..in Canada. I also heard the mention of MORE $$$$ to support Islam so that they (Islamists) would not be out terrorizing the citizens of the terrorist's (I heard them claim that they were citizens of Canada!) own country. That sounded like blackmail to me.
Posted by: jema54j | 2006-06-04 3:44:56 PM
If it was the anti-terror squad, it looks like they were bored and needed something to justify their existence. The Liebral regime was so uninterested in fighting terrorists that it did not take the threat seriously, so they decided the money was better spent elsewhere like the CBC.
No, it is clear that these guys would have obtained the fertilzer with or without the cops' help. They were a threat and had to be stopped. Hopefully this example will deter other would-be terrorists. However, it remains to be seen whether or not white terrorism on Muslims will also be prevented.
Someone may decided to blow up a mosque in "retaliation". According to white Ontario, where racism is institutionalized - especially anti-American bigotry - hate is not only appropriate but justified. What a society! And you people expect non-Ontarians to follow your lead? NOT A CHANCE!
Posted by: Scott | 2006-06-04 3:45:56 PM
...think of the irreversable damage done to Toronto's tourism industry by how weak spined leaders and media are coddling the Muslim community.
Can't wait till someone picks up on the name given for this six-month RCMP investigation, "Project OSage"
Bias, bigoted, and Irish sounding.
Yep, surprized the MSM haven't started howling over that one.
Posted by: tomax7 | 2006-06-04 4:15:54 PM
How can anyone assume that the little dears were planning a nefarious act? For shame. With concern for global warming and three tonnes of Ammonium Nitrate, clearly three of them were taking the "one tonne challenge". There is no other possible explanation.
Posted by: DrD | 2006-06-04 4:37:23 PM
Apparently they were taking it three time, DrD!
RG
Posted by: RightGirl | 2006-06-04 4:41:58 PM
Ever since Oklahoma bombing even halfwit antiterrorist organisations did monitor sale of ammonium nitrate for years. It took some real idiots not to realise this. They had in these circumstances as much of a chance of buying it unnoticed as an elephant of walking down Yonge Street also unnoticed.
Sure RCMP was delivering stuff to them as it might have been that some real terrorists were using idiots as stooges.
Posted by: static | 2006-06-04 4:57:06 PM
That was the most pathetic thing I ever seen in my life
Posted by: Self | 2006-06-04 4:59:46 PM
I knew the minute I heard the news about the arrests that the whole incident would turn into "how do we not cause offence to the Muslims?"
The Muslim community, itself, via spokesperson Imam Ali Hindy, has essentially ducked any responsiblity for the order and delivery of three tons of ammonium nitrate:
"I'm just worried for the community. This is an attack on the Muslim community."
"We are abusing our boys for the sake of pleasing (U.S. President) George Bush."
"The CSIS and RCMP are feeling threatened--not of terrorism but of losing their jobs. They need to create an atmosphere of fear in the country to keep their jobs."
"They talk of homegrown terrorism. This is homegrown baloney."
'Spoken like a true member of a victim/ethnic/ minority group in Canada.
If we didn't live in Canada, where the rights of ethnic victim minorities trump those of the rest of the citizenry, these statements by Imam Hindy would be risable and totally unacceptable. Well, they are laughable and unacceptable, but try telling this to the police, the MSM, or the judiciary, let alone the Muslim community itself.
I don't know: Maybe this will be the issue that draws the line in the sand in Canada. Maybe this will be the issue that separates the sheep from the goats. God knows, SOMETHING'S got to put a fire under our butts and return us to the real world, to the land of the living, from the twilight-zone, La-La-Alice-and-Wonderland-down-the-rabbit-hole fantasy land we've been living in.
Would the real Canada please stand up? Then we can truly stand on guard for thee, with God keeping our land glorious and free. Under the Librano$ we've become a shadow of our former self.
Posted by: new kid on the block | 2006-06-04 5:02:17 PM
I was a little concerned with these quotes:
Police Chief Blair said “the TTC was not a target”.
Mayor Miller "I was relieved that police had discovered the activities at a very early stage," he told a news conference. "I was relieved on behalf of Torontonians because I knew because of the police activities that if there was an actual threat they would be able to stop it before anything serious happened."
How do these guys “know” what is a target and what isn’t? They can only “know” that they don’t have info about the TTC being a target. They can’t “know” what’s in the heads of these terrorists. Also, Miller can’t “know” that the police will be “able to stop it”.
This rhetoric doesn’t give me confidence; it makes me think these guys are naive or trying to snow us.
However, I do think we have to reach out to Moderate Muslims to get them to help us marginalize the extremists. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and growing. Why would Moderates choose to go with the losers? So if you were a Moderate listening to our MSM which side would you think was winning?
I trust Harper to try and find the middle ground with Moderates in Canada as to what is expected of them. I don’t trust bleeding-heart Dipper Miller to do that. BTW where is McGuinty. Out in Caledonia?
Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-06-04 5:16:51 PM
As long as we retain as official policy multiculturism, diversity, political correctness, etc., we cannot win this war. Yes, it is a world-wide war against Western civilization which has little or nothing to do with Iraq, Israel, etc. But we even have a special branch in government, created by the Liberals but not scrapped by the Conservatives, to ensure that our policies are sensitive to Muslims. Interesting that no Muslim country is concerned about showing sensitivity to Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.
We badly need strong leadership to scrap these ridiculous policies and to ensure pride in our nation and civilization before it is too late. Such leadership would take the offensive in a case like this to question the same Muslims as to which side they are on. Why do they refuse to denounce the terrorists and insist on taking their side?
As for citizens attacking Muslim structures, this will and can only happen on a large scale if their governments, police, etc. fail to take action against the real threat: Islamic totalitarianism. This has happened a few times outside of North America when the people grew frustrated and tired of their leaders being more concerned about offending Muslims instead of protecting their own people. If you insist on breaking the law, you deserve no sensitivity be you Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu or whatever.
Posted by: verdad | 2006-06-04 5:47:07 PM
Would anyone in 1940 have tried to express "understanding" for the motivations of any German-Canadians planning terrorist acts in Canada because our country was:
a) at war with Germany, or
b) had interned some 850 German-Canadians?
http://io.uwinnipeg.ca/~germcan/ ..._Fall_1996.html
"Her thesis takes a fresh look at a controversial topic: the internment of 850 German-Canadian civilians during the Second World War. Accused of being Nazi spies, saboteurs and subversives, the internees were granted an opportunity to defend themselves. In the course of these appeal tribunals (the transcripts of which form the backbone of Ms. Lorenzkowski's research) state officials and internees passionately debated what it meant to be a "good Canadian". The study reveals conflicting concepts of citizenship and the important contribution of "hyphenated" Canadians to changing definitions of loyalty, civic duties and the nature of Canadian society..."
As far as I know we were as democratic a country after the war as before. Perhaps because our side won, and knew to a large extent what was at stake.
Mark
Ottawa
Posted by: Mark Collins | 2006-06-04 6:07:05 PM
nomdenet, if I was a moderate Muslim, I would think, "how can those Infidels possibly win? We commit a major league act of terrorism in their largest city, and their MSM, and police, are only concerned that we might be offended".
Posted by: dmorris | 2006-06-04 6:14:34 PM
Identifing the problem....
In Islamic countries, Islamists discriminate against Non-muslims.
For example, in Saudi Arabia, Non-muslims are forbidden from bringing their religious books, or displaying any non-muslim religious items.
In Egypt, there were clashes after islamists attacked Copts (Egyptian Christians) while praying in churches.
In Indonesia, they rape and behead Christian girls.
And we know about Darfur.
How much longer are we going to be naive and live in denial?
The problem is Islam. The Koran commands Muslims to fight and KILL non-muslims:
Koran 9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Posted by: Freedom | 2006-06-04 6:17:23 PM
Here's a bit of enlightenment that should find its way to those that feel the suspects in custody are getting a raw deal or that the muslum community is unfairly targeted.
Be thankful it was the police that got them and not the vigilantes.
Here's another bit of knowledge for the muslum community.
These scumbags are criminals not because of the faith they purport to follow, but in spite of it.
I could care less if they where buddist monks. Plotting mass murder or insurrection is a criminal offence perpetrated by criminals.
These 17 should pray to their god that they don't get released on bail, they will be much safer in the pen than outside the pen.
Posted by: gimbol | 2006-06-04 6:50:00 PM
Dmorris, yes, that’s what I’m thinking too.
We can easily win this War because we are technologically superior. Because with the War in Iraq, even with one hand tied behind their backs, the US troops are winning. The problem is that the MSM says we are losing in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Propaganda is the war the Islamofascists are winning. We have to win that war too; otherwise eventually we will eventually end up with a Neville Chamberlain leader in Washington who will cave in.
Already Tony Blair is on the way out and BBC socialist-pacifists will soon run the UK. These are the people who removed from Banks give-away piggy banks in the UK because Muslims found them offensive.
The thing we have to keep fighting is multiculturalism and the highly successful tactic of political correctness used by the MSM and academia that shuts down any dissent about the disastrous policy of multiculturalism. I’m all for diversity in immigration, but once in Canada our values apply, if not, immigrants must be deported. Our values include, tolerance of all religions, equality of men and women and the separation of religions and State
Posted by: nomdenet | 2006-06-04 6:51:21 PM
Headline from a CTV.ca news story:
"Terror suspects not motivated by faith: Blair"
http://tinyurl.com/0
Can you believe that?
Posted by: The Cyber Menace | 2006-06-04 6:51:33 PM
The comment that the arrestees were all from a broad background, is an obvious attempt to try to take the focus away from the fact that, again all were Muslim.
What strikes me about the comment is that it reflects even more poorly on the Muslim population in Canada.
This was not a subgroup of pimply faced Muslim youths who got caught up in the moment or were brainwashed into the "romantic" notion that they would be Martyrs and get their sexual rewards in the afterlife.
The arrestees came from as broad a cross section of Canadian life as you could find. Varying ages, backgrounds, educations and economic classes.
What this says to me is that the entire Muslim society in Canada is tainted with individuals who are willing to commit terrorist atrocities and as such the entire Muslim population and particularly their leadership needs to be held accountable.
If I were Muslim I would be extremely ashamed and speaking out against these individuals and condemning their actions. But for a few you can hear a pin drop.
Posted by: ward | 2006-06-04 6:53:06 PM
While I agree with the majority of posters on most issues discussed here, I just can't believe the level of ignorance of some. Mr. Bartinsky, the farmer, is wondering what Arabs had given to the world. Well, they came up with a lot of great things, without which the modern civilization that Mr.Bartinsky so much enjoys, would not be possible (and yes, Mr.Bartinsky would not even be able to count his sheep). Not to know that the Muslim (or Arabic) world was the major contributor to the science and culture in general, and specifically to mathematics, astronomy, medicine and linguistics (and in a whole lot of other areas), is to admit one's own deep and hopeless ignorance.
I strongly suggest some people educate themselves before jumping into embarrassing and erroneous conclusions. You can start at least here:
http://www.adc.org/index.php?id=247
or here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Islamic_science_and_technology
Please pay attention to the fact that some of those amazing and extremely important discoveries were done pre-Christ, and before North America was even discovered.
Posted by: Acer | 2006-06-04 7:15:13 PM
Does anybody here know a Muslim who you really like? A friend or a co-worker or a guy with a store where you do business?
If you do, when you see them tomorrow, try out greeting them by saying (phonetic):
"Keef Holluck"
I think that it means "Hello" or "How do you do."
It might be a decent way to reassure your friend that you realize that he is still a good guy in your estimation.
We all wonder why in the Hell these people don't speak up and denounce the screw balls and bad guys.
If I came from a place where they cut young girls tongues out if they don't like the Dad, or they cut off your hand or your head, etc. I think that I might be a little less talkative myself.
This is a huge problem that we really have to SOLVE. We sure don't need to fight any of the good guys (which has to be the majority - they probably risked their lives to get the Hell out of those screwed up countries) while we are trying to catch and punish the bad guys.
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2006-06-04 7:18:41 PM
Hey Acer,
Looks like they were kind of quite after the 1700's. Don't forget the machine to simplify the amputation of hands of thieves.
Posted by: DDT | 2006-06-04 7:22:28 PM
Acer,
While I find the level of contribution to civilization by "muslims" irrelevant to this post, I would like to point out that Mohammed lived in the 6th and 7th Centuries A.D.
Posted by: John Chittick | 2006-06-04 7:34:22 PM
It is a lie that Arabs invented algebrae. The zero and decimals were invented by Assyrian Christians.
What Arab Civilization?
May 8th, 2006
By Peter BetBasoo
EDITOR'S NOTE: There is great need for setting the record straight on the history of the Middle East. The revisionism of the last few years will lead Western Civilization into bondage. The following letter by Assyrian scholar Peter BetBasoo is a very important step in the right direction. It was sent by Assyrian scholar Peter BetBasoo to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech she presented in Minneapolis on September 26, 2001. It is reprinted by permission. Please read and pass it on to others.
Dear Madame Fiorina:
It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.
I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.
Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Muslims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).
Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book DHIMMI, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.
You state, "its architects designed buildings that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record.
You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see HISTORY OF BABYLONIAN MATHEMATICS by Otto E. Neugebauer).
You state, "its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first, they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.
By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.
In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).
One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based (see THE STATUTES OF THE SCHOOL OF NISIBIS by Arthur Voobus).
When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.
You state, "Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.
You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things." There is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called Syriac).
You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others." This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a book titled HOW GREEK SCIENCE PASSED TO THE ARABS, in which author De Lacy O'Leary lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, one was Persian and one an Arab. I state at the end of my review: "The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise they had established? One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).
Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see NESTORIAN INFLUENCE ON ISLAM and HAGARISM: THE MAKING OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD).
Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?
You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is the true face of Islam.
Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See THE MIGHT THAT WAS ASSYRIA by H. W. F. Saggs).
Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.
There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.
I hope you found this information enlightening. You may contact me at keepa@ninevehsoft.com for further questions.
Thank you for your consideration.
Peter BetBasoo
From your 1st link: The Arab civilization brought together Muslims, Christians and Jews.
Christianity IS Jewish. That the fraud, Muhammed, plagerized the bible and invented his own cult is not a credible claim that he brought Judaism and Christianity toghether, Acer you tosser.
Posted by: Speller | 2006-06-04 7:41:34 PM
Whatever happened to the notion that citizens (aware of the benefits and obligations of citizenship) and subjects (which in this context I would take to be permanent residents desirous of remaining in Canada) have a personal duty not to be disloyal to the sovereign/state?
If people are not willing to accept this duty then they must accept--if they act on their unwillingness--the legal consequences as citizens or deportation as subjects.
It's called treason, stupids.
Mark
Ottawa
Posted by: Mark Collins | 2006-06-04 7:48:52 PM
Acer -
I realize this is getting to seem like ganging up on you, but with all of the many incredibly stupid things that are said on these Comments, why would you decide to pick a fight with a Canadian farmer, and one who actually had a factual contribution of information to the thread of discussion?
I personally think that it is vitally important that young women become convinced of the goodness of Canadian (and American and European) TRADITIONAL Values and wisdom, or else we are really going to lose it in this society real soon. Consequently, I'm not inclined to critize you, but rather to encourage (because I know you are a sensible person). Anyway, remember this, farmers are the "good guys." ;-)
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2006-06-04 8:01:26 PM
A year ago, more than 100 schoolchildren die as a result of a hostage-taking by jihadists in Beslan, Russia.
A week ago on the first anniversary, a distraught mother is interviewed and says: ‘All we want to do is live in peace.’
Why is it so difficult for these jackasses get that simple concept through their heads?
More to come ...
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-06-04 8:07:45 PM
After a Muslim kid goes on a knife-wielding rampage against four Coptic Orthodox Churches on Good Friday (presumably after Friday prayer meeting). One 71-year-old Christian man is killed.
Middle Eastern bloggers are beside themselves when the Egyptian government describes this crime against humanity as the work of a ‘madman,’ becau this is the 18th such incident in the last six months against Christians. Currently, bloggers who brought this to the attention of the world are being rounded up and arrested.
When 17 Canadian Muslim youths are arrested, Salim Patel of the, ahem, Muslims against Terrorism is quoted as saying: “This is the work of some wackos and not anyone who has any real affliliation with the religion of Islam.’
More to come ...
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-06-04 8:16:38 PM
I am sick of hearing these terrorists referred to as "Canadians" they are immigrants who have taken advantage of our educational system, our health care system etc. and now want to repay us with hatred. The politically correct tapdance being done by politicians and law enforcement officials to avoid offending Muslims this weekend has been disgusting.It is time for the politcally correct bullshit to end, put these terrorists in jail for a very long time(sorry boys no qurans by the way) and deport all their family members back to their homelands. It is long overdue to send a message to immigrants coming to this country that we have standards and values that they must adhere to or they will be told to leave.
Chretien tried to tell us Canada was safe from terrorists due to our multiculturalism, I say just the opposite is true. We are more open to attack because for years the Liberals allowed just about anyone to get into the country and encouraged them to hold onto the customs and ways of their homelands, which is exactly what they have done, including their hatred for "infidels".
It will be interesting to see just how our lib-left joke of a judicial system will handle these scumbags with the whole world watching.
Posted by: ProudtobeaRedneck | 2006-06-04 8:19:28 PM
Acer, while the Muslim world did contribute to knowledge, especially during the time of Western decline, I think it's a bit of a leap to suggest the Western world was dependent upon it. In fact, to some extent, the Muslim world relied upon ancient Western knowledge for its advancement. Places like Alexandria were hotbeds of knowledge and learning before Islam took over.
Just to put things in a bit of perspective.
Carry on.
Posted by: The Cyber Menace | 2006-06-04 8:27:12 PM
Part III:
In Iraq, insurgents show their displeasure of the US occupation by blowing up government buildings and killing police officers.
In Canada, the OPP intercepts plans by 17 Canadian Muslim youths to blow up government building and killing police officers. What is their excuse ... there are no occupying US troops here.
More to come ...
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-06-04 8:29:33 PM
When I heard those comments on TV today, I thought I was going to go through the roof. How dare they? Clearly, that person has no idea of what it means integrating with your host society and becoming a full and productive member of it.
They want to remain separate. As far as I am concerned, they can do so back in their own home country.
And did anyone also catch the first person to ask a question? The engineer who works for an auto company and immediately plunged into anti-American rhetoric? I hope his employer was able to identify him and will fire him.
Posted by: WP on Politics | 2006-06-04 8:30:32 PM
@ verdad:
I came across a loon today, right here in Calgary, who believes there is no war between our civilization and the Islamist world:
http://cycles2k.blogspot.com/2006/06/harper-steps-up-war-rhetoric.html
There is one born every minute, I tell you.
Posted by: WP on Politics | 2006-06-04 8:33:41 PM
Part IV:
In a post less than a week ago on the Shotgun Blog, Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (I’mamadjihadist from now on) refuses a face-to-tace talk with George W. Bush. That’s because Dubya is not an Islamic leader.
In a related incident, Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic requested a face-to-face meeting with the leadership of the Bosnian Al-Quaida to stop a series of unprovoked attacks. He is turned down because he is not an Islamic leader.
Milosevic reacted by sending his military to guard the borders of his country. Bill Clinton is suckered and bombs Serbia.
Although Yasser Arafat did meed with leaders of Isreal, most consider those residents sons of dogs and apes.
Do you get also get the sense that Muslim leadership around the world considers itself superior to other human beings?
More to come ...
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-06-04 8:36:26 PM
Part V:
Islam means submission.
Its prophet Muhammad clearly demonstrated what this means 1400 years ago ... submit to my Sword of God or die!
Not much has changed since. Muhammad probably threatened to cut off the head of somebody in authority to name his activity a religion instead of what it really is ... a cult of murder.
In modern terms, it would be known as a political movement ... an organization that seeks world domination through force. They were years ahead of the Commies and the National Socialists.
For that matter, they were years ahead of political parties that masquerade themselves as lunatic-fringe Christians in Canada today. The only difference is that the lunatic fringes sit around campfires singing Kumbaya instead of slicing off heads.
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-06-04 8:44:00 PM
Not only leadership, but "regular folks" too.
Here's what people in Vienna, Austria, get to hear from Turkish adults and kids (!!!) almost on a daily basis:
"You quiet. We soon take over and kick you out. This country our country. We take it from you."
I have heard this said with my own two ears on my travels, and I hear it from other witnesses over there all the time.
Posted by: WP on Politics | 2006-06-04 8:45:46 PM
Acer-
Well, you tried.
Posted by: himbly | 2006-06-04 8:54:24 PM
http://www.thecanadianmuslim.ca/index.html
GET YOURSELF A HIJAB
Turn canada into pakistan
they may even have beekeeper suits their for you to put your women into
"the sons of allah" - orianna fallaci
Posted by: woodbridge | 2006-06-04 9:09:02 PM
Canada's the world's biggest hotel and an increasing number of guests are making a mess.
Posted by: Howard Roark | 2006-06-04 9:27:28 PM
First of all, I hate unfairness. And if some ignoramuses did not whine about 'those camel riders' who contributed nothing to the world, but could not live without us folks providing them with everything, I would not say anything, be it farmer or not.
It is irrelevant when Mohammad lived - the point is that the ancestors of the modern Arabs were outstanding scientists - that's the historic fact.
Such kind of discussion actually degrades people who participate in it and gives more reason for Muslims to hate Westerners.
After all, it is only Canadian government's fault that these terrorists turned out to be active here - if politicians did not bring all kinds of scam to the country, starting with the Conservative Malrouney who brought tons of Jamaicans to vote for him and ending in the notorious Liberal multiculturalism, this would never happen. It would not also happen if people of Canada were REALLY pressing on the government to stop it.
And it's not just about Muslim terrorists. How about those Chinese spies? By the way, Americans recently deported a bunch of Israelis who were allegedly spying - maybe there are Israeli spies in Canada too.
Posted by: Acer | 2006-06-04 9:58:44 PM
Speller,
thanks for the Peter Betbasso piece
Posted by: ex-liberal | 2006-06-04 10:01:27 PM
Part VI:
Islam can never be reformed for one simple reason.
There will never be a shortage of people who want to emulate their prophet ... the glorious days of hacking off heads, placing inferiors under the submission of the Sword of God.
If there is such a thing as a moderate Muslim, they’re about the biggest bunch of hypocrites you’d ever want to meet.
Why do they refuse to go all the way with their religion and emulate their prophet?
Muslims should be out killing and making the world safe for mathematicians and scientists. Oh, yeah, that was 1400 years ago when Europeans were hitting each other over the head with clubs.
Yeah, they were way ahead of their time in the 10th century. Good on them. But what have they done for the world lately?
Much has changed. The steam engine. Electricity. The bicycle. Air travel. The computer. Quantum physics.
Since all those were invented by non-Muslim, it stands to reason they are satanic, or at least not worthy of recognition. Why else would the Middle East be populated with a bunch of cavemen with cellphones?
Posted by: Set you free | 2006-06-04 10:49:44 PM
Re Beslan. Speller's post is yet another example of uneducated, hateful bias.
Most Beslan's children died as a result of the Russian troops' stupid attack - they were killed by cannon fire and consequent destruction of the building. Same like most people died as a result of gas poisoning during so called 'rescue attempt' when a theater in Moscow was taken over by Muslim terrorists. As for Beslan, there is a point of view that it was actually a provocation of Russian government - because they wanted to convince the USA that Chechens were terrorists, not freedom fighters, as the USA had been maintaining for a long time. There is some evidence that the Russian government was involved in destruction of a few apartment buildings in Moscow (the official version included Chechens, of course).
Posted by: Acer | 2006-06-04 10:53:35 PM
""Terror suspects not motivated by faith: Blair""
Yeah, having personal experience with terrorism in Northern Ireland, I can believe that.
Posted by: Ian Scott | 2006-06-04 11:01:29 PM
Islamic savages should not be appeased or comforted in the least by the Chief of Police, the opposite should happen if anything. The Imams are enjoying their new found power over other people here in Canada that's been given to them by terrorism, but Canadians should take this power away from the Muslim fascists because it will only encourage them to be even more violent.
Posted by: infidel | 2006-06-04 11:12:32 PM
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