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Wednesday, February 15, 2006

Norwegians in the News -- Thoroughly Ashamed of My People Edition

This is not good:

The Norwegian parliament has amended the Penal Code to criminalize blasphemy in the wake of the republication of Danish cartoons that lampooned Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by a Norwegian magazine, Christian and Muslim leaders in Norway said on Tuesday, February 14.

I know I've written this before, but can you say Quisling?
If Islamists can make us cower, quiver and cede freedoms because they're mad about some cartoons, what will they be able to make us do when they get a nuke?

(Thanks to Allan.)

Cross-posted at Wonkitties.

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That's really disappointing. Quisling indeed.

Posted by: EBD | 2006-02-15 9:21:03 PM


>>The Norwegian parliament has amended the Penal Code to criminalize blasphemy in the wake of the republication of Danish cartoons that lampooned Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by a Norwegian magazine, Christian and Muslim leaders in Norway said on Tuesday, February 14.

JUST WHAT WE ALL NEED ONE MORE ADDITIONAL LAW TO LIVE BY

Hey THESE ADDITIONAL THESE immoral slave drivers like to make laws and demand that the others observe them while they themselves still too often do not live by the laws

AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY HYPOCRITES ALL AROUND US

Furthermore the making laws is one thing but as we have experienced in our dealing with the Canadians Liberals they were too cheap to give money to enforce the laws, and the same laws are not fairly, uniformly applied as well but discriminatory.

WE HAVE A LAW TO LIVE BY ALREADY

(Lev 19:18 KJV) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

but who practises even those laws?

Posted by: PAUL | 2006-02-15 9:28:41 PM


Banning blasphemy? Blasphemy according to whom? Will Norway remove The Last Temptation of Christ from video rental stores? Will they ban South Park? What about those who preach against Satan? Surely, that's blasmphemy to the Satanists. Will they be charged? Is the Wizard of Oz blasphemous to the Wiccans? Will all this be banned in Norway? Are they moving back into the dark ages? Methinks yes.

Posted by: Howard Roark | 2006-02-15 9:30:20 PM


This is unbelievable. Norway used to be one of the most liberal and progressive countries on earth. Now they are passing medieval ordinances to pacify a turbulent minority. Will other European nations that long ago recognized the danger in such laws now follow suit?

By the by, I believe that blaspheny is still a crime in Canada, although there have been no prosecutions for generations. Anybody have definite knowledge about that?

Posted by: Zog | 2006-02-15 9:36:22 PM


Even in Norway, even after Quisling, the drive to persecute non-theoideologists, by theoideologismists, continues.

I'm a phenomenological mechanist. I don't believe in any sort of supernatural phenomenon like some sort of god-concept. That's considered blasphemy by many theoideototalanarianists.

Do you hate me? Why? I don't hate you.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-02-15 9:49:12 PM


This is sad. Terrorism and threats of beheading does work!
Now we know what to do to get what we want.

Posted by: HY | 2006-02-15 9:57:42 PM


Hi George O. have enough room to roll over down there?????? jeez. what year is this folks? I truly, truly want to get off this freakin train

Posted by: Stopthetrain | 2006-02-15 10:19:09 PM


I just dumped my nokia phone and bought from another company. Norway, France ... same scum.

Posted by: Duke | 2006-02-15 10:24:34 PM


Don't think you should be printing these cartoons because you are just going to make people angry and will cause tension all over Canada. i don't think its right to make fun of religion. there are those who don't care if people make fun of their religion but at the same time there are others who find it really insulting. to me this magazine is like a slap commin to my face.

People will fight for religion and die for religion. and if you want peaceful islam then please don't print it but if you do go ahead with this idea of reprinting this cartoon then don't call all those muslim terrorist because this would be a real true fight for them.

Posted by: Paki Pride | 2006-02-15 10:25:30 PM


Hey Vit,

Some people may just the way you talk. They don't know what you are saying half the time.

:0)

Yes, I just made a smiliey.

Posted by: Duke | 2006-02-15 10:27:15 PM


The missing word is 'hate' but the smiley says it's meant to be funny. Shit did I ever blow that joke.

Posted by: Duke | 2006-02-15 10:28:43 PM


Hey Duke,

Nokia is based in Finland. But it's close to Norway so maybe your cel phone boycott will still have the intended ripple effect.

Posted by: timmyz | 2006-02-15 10:28:54 PM


Hey Mr. Pride just did a double dip.

Posted by: Duke | 2006-02-15 10:29:47 PM


Timmyz, shit I have to do more market research. But I really like my new phone anyway.

Posted by: Duke | 2006-02-15 10:31:02 PM


Duke: Don't worry, those Scandinavians are all the same anyway...blonde, right ?

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2006-02-15 10:49:42 PM


Indeed very very interesting as the religion of Asatru (worship of the old Gods and Goddesses of the Norse) is recognized in Norway. Will they in their liberal opening of this religous can of worms prosecute against those Norwegians (native and naturalised) who mock the old Gods and Goddesses in their daily lives by bowing down to False and foreign idols. People such as the Bishop of oslo, to say the very least this is a very poorly thought out piece of legislation.

A blackly humourous statement could be said of this, "How many suicide bombers have to die killing innocent citisens of the civilised world before you Pig Eating infidel barbarians accept that Islam is a peacefull religion"

Incedentally It is ironic to note that in Asatru pig specifically a boar is part of a sacred feast at Yule (Winter solstice event which lasts from the solstice until the 5th of Jan), making the Muslim Denigration of Swine as a filthy animal unsuitable for human consumption Blasphemous, as well one of the principal Goddesses Freyja is known as the great Sow by virtue of her being a fertility Goddess and virtue of sows generally having lots of piglets. Blasphemy on the part of Unrepentant Muslims again.

Daryl

Posted by: Daryl Haaland | 2006-02-15 10:55:10 PM


Ahem, before we get all self-righteous and hissy....from the Criminal Code (of Canada of course)

Blasphemous Libel

Offence
296. (1) Every one who publishes a blasphemous libel is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

Question of fact
(2) It is a question of fact whether or not any matter that is published is a blasphemous libel.

Saving
(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section for expressing in good faith and in decent language, or attempting to establish by argument used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, an opinion on a religious subject.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 260.

Mind you, nobody's been charged in a century. And you islamophobes will be pleased to know that there seems to be some consensus that it only applies to attacks on Christianity.

Posted by: truewest | 2006-02-15 11:15:13 PM


I don't, BTW get the joke Duke and the others are trying to make but it seems pretty thin and were I a prickly fuckin troll mounted fool like some of the fools who lurk hereabouts instead of the rational Scandinavian that I am I might choose to take offense. However since I firmly beleive in the proverb that "many a man means no ill yet teases the other at table; strife will ever start among men when Guest clashes with Guest" I will keep silent.

Daryl

Posted by: Daryl Haaland | 2006-02-15 11:16:40 PM


The joke that Duke was making, Daryl, is that I, Vitruvius, am known by regulars 'round these parts as "Mr. Big Word Guy". Duke was riffing off my questioning why some theoideototalanarianists would hate me for being a phenomenological mechanist, humerously suggesting that one could imagine hating me just for using such a tortureous dialectic style.

Duke may have blown the joke technically, but he nailed it ontologically, and I got it.

I love words. I think words should be used for their value as words. But some people think words should be used for their value as tools to coerce people into poor behaviour. Do I get to be hated by them for my love of words?

The funny thing is, there are some people who think that my words and their god(s) are somehow related, and worse in mortal opposition, so I'm at risk.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2006-02-15 11:51:02 PM


DUKE: I went to your blog...and it was gone...did you move it or something ?

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2006-02-15 11:56:10 PM


Oh my gosh, what are they going to do with the comic strip "Hagar the Horrible"?

Posted by: tomax | 2006-02-16 3:46:54 AM


I'm a little surprised that the Danish cartoons issue has gone completely over the heads of strongly conservative commentators. I ask you to consider this vital question: How would history be different if the pre-Enlighenment Jewish community vociferously objected to the anti-Semitic cartoons common on the Continent and in the UK? Or if the post-Enlightment Jewish community rioted against the caricatures offered daily in French, German and Russian newspapers in the first 15 years of the 20th century? Racism is indefensible. And the cartoons are without question in my mind racist. Does this legitimise the absurd violence perpetrated by simple-minded sheep following the dictates of hateful simpleton shepherds? Not a all. But conservative knee-jerk reactions are precisely what the islamist imams are seeking. Why give them what they want?

Posted by: Rabbi Arie Chark | 2006-02-16 8:39:13 AM


Arie,

There is no Muslim "Race." Islam is a religion and a culture - not a race. As such, anyone disrespecting Islam is not racist.

And, sadly, if the Jewish community spoke up pre-enlightenment, they must likely would have suffered for it. This illustrates the benefit that humanity dirived from the Enlightenment and contrasts how far the "West" has come and how far the Muslim world's CULTURE has yet to go.

Posted by: Warwick | 2006-02-16 8:56:31 AM


Levant is an opportunist who clearly does not understand the Muslim faith or how his printing of the caricutures, for profit and attention, might affect the safety of our troops in Afghanistan. While indeed making a name for himself, because that is what this is really about, it might not be the one he was hoping for being used in most intellectual circles!

Posted by: Kelly | 2006-02-16 9:37:29 AM


Kelly,

Do you blame rape victims because they "provoked" their rapist by their dress? Perhaps you would like to be forced to wear a burka around in public so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of Muslim men.

The "they provoked it" slur is called blaming the victim and is an illogical shift in blame away from those who commit crimes.

If some vicious terrorist kills our troops, the fault is the savage murderers alone.

Cartoons don't kill people, murderous terrorists kill people. Do you think that the nutcase murderers are sitting around waiting for an excuse before they go out killing? Our troops have been blown up in Afghanistan already. The Taliban didn't wait for an invitation. They need no provocation. Their game is already on. You need to recognize this undeniable fact.

Posted by: Warwick | 2006-02-16 10:28:11 AM


Perhaps Islamist Imans are seeking more than just kneejerk reactions from the West.
Could this possibly be a sort of Litmus test ...... checking on just how "done" the roast in the oven is; so you know whether or not to start laying the table yet.

How exactly will the Western World react?

How exactly will their governments deal with this ?

How will the Western Media report on these happenings ?

And yes with what sort of fears will Western Peoples react ?

And the Islamofast's next obvious question is whether or not its a good time to implement the next phase of that plan.

The Norwegian Gov't just said YES.

What are the rest of us going to do?

Posted by: Stay Free | 2006-02-16 12:27:18 PM


... oh, this is just delicious. Most Western countries have old blasphemy laws still on the books, but the notion of bringing them into active play in response to a complaint by Christians that their religion is mocked almost daily would generate ACLU marches and a whole lot more in the USA. In Canada, it would certainly provoke a stern Maclean's editorial, for sure.

But, all of a sudden blasphemy laws are getting dusted off, on behalf of Islam. The difference is... fear, my friend, just plain fear.

Is it really true that freedom of expression, including religious satire, can be toppled with one little push? Stay tune...

Posted by: Howard | 2006-02-16 3:36:47 PM


The story you link to has changed since you posted it... I'm not sure the Norwegian parliament has actually amended its penal code at all. Do you have another source?

Posted by: JKelly | 2006-02-16 6:49:33 PM


If you care about basic freedoms, you should be very afraid right now.
Norway is not the only place filled with Quislings: just look at the left in both Canada and America.
And the problem is not just on the so-called left: just look at Prime Minister Harper and his cowardly defense of free speech in light of the Danish cartoon brouhaha.

Posted by: Matthew Vadum | 2006-02-16 9:19:45 PM


This is sad indeed. The bully Islam is slowly succeeding in its goal to dominate the world. Intimidation works for them, therefore they will continue. Terrorism to make the west bend, kidnapping and threats against hostages to get their demands met, and graphic videos of beheadings if they don't. Violence, riots, church burnings, flag burnings, bombings, hijackings. This is the way of Islam. Show me the good of Islam. I don't see it! Islam's legacy to the world is the suicide bomber.

The doctrine of Islam is an INSULT to humanity.

Posted by: Doug | 2006-02-18 9:24:01 PM


If you are a woman would you want to live in the middle east. If you were of a religion different than the popular ones would you live in the middle east. Why not? A country and its published laws and unpublished laws determine how great a place it would be to live. Basic human rights such as the golden rule are followed and protected by people who basically say you can do anything as long as it doesn't harm my right to do what I want to do. Of all the places in the world the middle east would be the last I would want to visit or live in. It is a little backward. Probably similar to the time of the Spanish inqusition. It might be safe two hundred years from now when the people there decide to leave the herd and its mentality. Hopefully here are shepards will not erode to many more of our basic human rights

Posted by: Eric | 2006-02-25 8:06:19 AM


MV , again, hopefully Mr . Harper believes in ,'actions speak louder than words ' . What would you suggest he say ? Yes we believe in free speech ? Translated by Kofi Anon , Hillary and the Liberals , that would be translated as, ' bomb the bastards' . [ which appears to be what is happening , or will be happening in Afghanistan.

Posted by: daveh | 2006-02-25 8:37:44 AM


Not to mention Paul and Colin up in Red Deer

Posted by: daveh | 2006-02-25 8:50:52 AM



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