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Sunday, December 11, 2005

Dead heat

Nik Nanos's CPAC poll, here, shows the Grits and the Tories in virtually a dead heat, outside Quebec -- 41% for the Liberals to 39% for the Tories.  The continuing story is Senator Buzz Hargrove and the NDP collapse:

Canada Decided Voters    

LIB – 39% (+5)

CP – 32% (+4)

NDP – 14% (-6)

BQ – 13% (-1)

GP – 4% (NC)

*18% of Canadians were undecided (+4)


In Quebec

   

BQ – 51% (-4)

LIB – 32% (+8)

CP – 9% (+1)

NDP – 7% (-1)

GP – 2% (-2)

Outside Quebec

LIB – 41% (+4)
CP – 39% (+4)
NDP - 16% (-9)

GP – 4% (NC)

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You know what?
An undecided voter is a useless twit.
If you don't know by now what you stand for and the two most obvious item that encompass the list.
The slavery of Socialism vs Freedom of Conservatism
then you don't stand for anything and your principles are for sale. In short, undecided voters are whores of the worst kind. They will sell their children for what may look like a freebie for them.
So let's list it as the following,
Lib - 39%
CPC - 32%
NDP - 14%
Bloc - 13%
GP - 2%
Self-interested unprincipled mindless idiots - 18%

Posted by: Duke | 2005-12-11 5:15:40 PM

Duke , I love that 18% .
de ye s’pose they like beer and popcorn?
Let’s take them to Hawaii for Chrismaka ... whatever.
If we were to get even half of them we’d get close to a majority.

Posted by: nomdenet | 2005-12-11 5:25:36 PM


I'd be interested in how the the undecided figures have moved since the election call. They are not usually highlighted in news reports.

I think they have gone up.

Posted by: Joan Tintor | 2005-12-11 5:28:45 PM

Here's an idea: have Western Standard put out some stuff with Beer and Popcorn on it, like they did with the Libranos poster.

Could this guy GET any worse? What a snobbish and derogatory atttitude. I hope this thing follows him for the rest of the campaign.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-12-11 5:40:55 PM

The beer and popcorn comment is a perfect example of the contempt that the Liberals have for Canadians. Remember Chretien with his golf balls - another attitude of contempt for the Canadian people and their tax dollars.

The Liberals consider that Canadians are peasants, with no capacity for self-governance, who will only spend their money on 'beer and popcorn' - and require high taxes to limit their wasteful desires, and a Socialist Supreme Governance to 'spend their money wisely'. But - Shouldn't one ask about the Liberal use of our taxdollars?

Shouldn't we ask if the Liberals are going to do more for us than spend our money on 'Trips for Pettigrew's Chauffeur', on 'Volpe's meals', on Radzwanki's meals, on Dingwall's settlement, on appointing their friends to lifelong salaries as members of Senate, as ambassadors. Are they spending our money on us - or on their travel, their meals, their personal expenses???

Posted by: ET | 2005-12-11 5:51:09 PM

I find it rather humourous when one of your zealous right wing compatriots calls undecided voters "whores of the worst kind" and "mindless idiots", then after much giggling one of decides that the Liberals treats voters like peasants. You turkeys are so wrapped up in your self satisfied sanctimony you can't see the forest for the trees. Do you call undecided voters whores of the worst kind at the door, or just behind their backs?

Posted by: Don | 2005-12-11 6:06:48 PM

I'd also call the 39% Liberal voters "self-interested unprincipled mindless idiots."

Posted by: Mallard | 2005-12-11 6:14:09 PM

Re: beer and popcorn, have a look at this CBC story:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/11/daycare051211.html


Scroll down and you’ll see after the CBC quotes Reid's apology the CBC then goes on to say this …

Still, there is nothing in the Conservative proposal that would force parents to spend the money on child care, a spokesperson told CBC News Online on Sunday.

Got that ??? ..

still .. parents aren’t FORCED to spend the money properly.

Am I going nuts? Have I been reading too much George Orwell? Is the CBC actually saying that because the parents aren’t FORCED,
like they would be under the Librano$$ plan,
to have our kids boarded up for the day with a gaggle of CUPE quasi- commie-workers, that that is not acceptable? Is that what’s implicit in that CBC remark or have these creeps driven me over the edge?

Posted by: nomdenet | 2005-12-11 6:20:48 PM

No you're not going crazy nomdenet, and the CBC is just being really really stupid, if the money is going to parents with children of a certain age then those parents already either (a) have day care expenses that this $50 or so a week from the Conservatives will help subsidize, or (b) there's a stay-at-home parent and this $50 or so a week will help with the toys, pampers, canned spagetti-os, or whatever childcare expenses a stay-at-home parent incurs during the course of a day. It's pretty obvious, and only a television journalist is capable of the profound stupidity required to try and make this an issue for serious discussion and analysis.

I know one must be really careful when one begins to think everyone else is crazy but, if you are watching CBC, or almost any other television news program, trust your instincts. They've got to fill the 60% or so of airtime between the fast food commercials.

Posted by: calgarian | 2005-12-11 6:35:28 PM

Beer and Popcorn is mild for Scott Reid...he's the same guy that told Don Martin that "Alberta can blow me"...

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2005-12-11 6:37:41 PM

I agree with Don that there is no shortage of people on all sides running around shooting themselves in the foot, freedom of speach is like that.

Nevertheless, the underlying tenor not of random grassroots thinkers but of the formal Liberal apparatchik is demonstrated by comments like Mr. Reid's, and that of Mr. Martin, who was quoted on the front page of the 2005-12-06 National Post as having said: "Mr. Harper's version of child care is very different ... than the one that is agreed to by the vast majority of people who are knowledgeable" [Ellipsis in original.]

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2005-12-11 6:39:42 PM

Whew ... thanks calgarian. BTW if we lose this election, don't build the firewall without me. I'm from Ontario and Scott won't let me in without a solid sponsor. Maybe we can talk on Jan. 24th. Meanwhile I’ll try to think positive.

Posted by: nomdenet | 2005-12-11 6:44:27 PM

"Do you call undecided voters whores of the worst kind at the door, or just behind their backs?"

At the door? I think you're confused, Don. You are the one who was outed at another site as being an LPC campaign worker, no?

Posted by: EBD | 2005-12-11 6:45:21 PM

Nothing the Liberals say/do is spontaneous. Reid has done this for effect: to swivel attention away from Martin/Goodale & the Income Trust scamdal.

It is called "pivoting" ---- pivoting is the new "Buzz" word.

Tonight, Reid & the gang are breathing easier; the sheep have grazed on.

The real message is: Return to the Great Shepherd, Paul Martin; he forgives you; you and your loved ones are safe with Grandfather Paul; Great Leader Paul Martin Loves you, you, you,.....


H/T 1984, George Orwell

Posted by: maz2 | 2005-12-11 6:45:59 PM

Don't worry, Nomdenet, Scott's not in charge of Alberta. Indeed, some have questioned whether or not he is in charge of himself ;-)

When I drive through the warehouse and trades district in the north-west corner of Edmonton, there are help-wanted signs everywhere. People who are willing to work, an honest dollar for an honest job, are more than welcome here.

But no, Canada takes money from people where there is work and gives it to people to stay where they are and not work. Everyone suffers, except those raking off the transation fees of course.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2005-12-11 6:52:16 PM

Outed? No. I stated it quite plainly. Just because you're thick, don't re-invent history. Dope.

Posted by: Don | 2005-12-11 6:52:58 PM

Why do so many left/Liberals so readily insult others? Here's Don - with his insults. We have others on this site, also Liberals, who also resort to the ad hominem tactics. Why? Why do they insult people who don't agree with their ideology? Is that to show their 'Canadian tolerance'? Note how Justin comments about Canadian tolerance - and yet- he's always ready with his insults to people who don't agree with him. Now - we have Don - another one.

Scott Reid's comments clearly show how the Liberals view Canadians - as people to be Governed, Ruled; that is, as peasants. They, of course, are the hereditary Lords, who rule us, as they do, because they are 'entitled' to do so. Their behaviour in the House reveals this refusal to be questioned, to debate - and their complete lack of honesty.

We are not supposed to dissent, to question, to hold them to account. If they want to use our money for their high living, they feel that this is their 'hereditary right'. They assure us that we peasants don't have the intellect to self-govern ourselves; after all - if we are left with any money, we'll just waste it on beer and popcorn. They Know What is Right for Peasants.

Waste? Just like their gun registry, their Adscam Dollars for Nothing. When we complain, we are told that it is unCanadian to question - and dollars are flung at us to shut us up.

The Martin/Goodale scandal isn't going to disappear that quickly - it's yet another incident of Liberal scams.

Posted by: ET | 2005-12-11 7:06:26 PM

All this "unpatriotic" and "unCanadian" or even "anti-Canadian" stuff means only one thing: the establishment is afraid for its very existence.

GOOD! We'll do our best to make their worst fears come true.

Didn't anyone like my comment about making a "Beer and Popcorn" poster, like one made about the Libranos?

Posted by: Scott | 2005-12-11 7:10:23 PM

Which country is this excerpt describing? >>>


Polybius said:


I can't see many government officials viewing themselves as part of the people. Corruption and abuse of power is incredibly widespread, and positions of authority are generally seen as means to line one's own pocket.

Local officials are notorious for building their own private kingdoms, and crushing any small people who try to challenge their authority. This same outlook tends permeate every level of government, as anyone with ambition in government seeks primarily to aggrandize personal power.

Paying off peasants rather than simply 'disappearing' them into prisons looks like an acknowledgement that whoever is in charge lacks the power to crush all dissent outright.

And crushing dissent has been the default policy for so long, changing to anything else could be seen as a sign of weakness. And perception is a powerful thing.

So many people and groups of people are kept in check by fear of government crackdown. It's like a huge pressure cooker. Released the pressure even a little bit, and you risk the whole thing exploding.

And this pressure cooker is 1.2 billion strong.>>>
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136206&postID=113429787158910684

Posted by: maz2 | 2005-12-11 7:19:56 PM

Look, Don, you can't go around complaining about others' misbehaviour if your response is to call them thick dopes. You're just making a fool of yourself, which I would argue is a less than optimal thing for LPC campaign workers to do at this point.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2005-12-11 7:21:06 PM

OK Scott how about your poster with ..

A bright young mother of 3, on Bay St, carrying her leather attaché case, with a former Librano$$ in tow, in handcuffs. She’ll be saying:

“I spent a bit of my money on beer and popcorn, the rest, the Librano$$ stole from me. See you in court, Mr Reid.”

Posted by: nomdenet | 2005-12-11 7:26:50 PM

The Liberal plan for daycare sounds like the Residential school program. Maybe that is what we should be calling it and watch the Liberals go ballistic.

Posted by: truthsayer | 2005-12-11 7:29:36 PM

2 + 2 = 3

Comrades

Posted by: Rocks Off | 2005-12-11 7:50:18 PM

nomdenet, so glad someone else noticed that anonymous "spokesperson" on CBC telling us that the Conservatives won't even force us to do things with our children! I thought I was going crazy too, but then I remembered that we were forced to pay the person who wrote it.

I love your ad idea, here's a TV one (which may be arguably more effective than the CPC ones currently in rotation):

"The Liberals have said that Canadians aren't to be trusted with their own money because they'll waste it on beer and popcorn. How have the Liberals spent the money Canadians have entrusted them with?" Shots of sponsorship money, hrdc lost money, gun registry...etc...with dollar amounts in large fonts showing how much each thing cost Canadians a week.

Posted by: Charlotte | 2005-12-11 7:56:02 PM

What gets me isn't that they expect us to accept a government solution.

It's that they want us to take THEIR government solution, which is biased in favor of THEIR friends and allies, not ones of our choosing.

After this new poll on political party corruption has come out, I think these concerns are justified.

http://tinyurl.com/axz98

Canada's political parties rated among the most corrupt in new global survey

Best part: Canada's parties are AS corrupt as those in the US. Now that has to suck for the Liberals to be seen as corrupt as Bush's Republicans. Not sure it's the same the other way around.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-12-11 8:01:35 PM

Australians have started wailing on the muzzies.

see it explaine on Duke's site.
http://dukemcgoo.blogspot.com

And Don .. undecided voters are either Liberal whores or NDP whores. Conservatives know who they are, what they want and what is right. And it's not what the girly men and manly girls of Toronto think it is. I will tell it to their faces if I happen to see one. I avoid them as much as possible unless I need I massage.

Posted by: Duke | 2005-12-11 9:38:59 PM

That won't do, Duke. It is not the case that undecided voters are either Liberal whores or NDP whores. Not everyone has the time you do to invest in their proclivities. Claiming otherwise only diminshes your cause.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2005-12-11 9:47:09 PM

Vit,

you talk funny

and I have lot's of spare time for this great entertainment. I am a wealthy conservative.

Posted by: Duke | 2005-12-11 9:51:55 PM

"And one more thing" as Dennis Miller used to say.
Vit .... unless you just stepped out of one of Hellyers flying saucers ... you know wut up with these clowns. Not much time required to analyze the theiving bastards who are stealing us blind and and squandering our children's futures on election promises. ... duh .. let me say it again just to be a procliviteur pain in the ass for you and .. maybe Don too ... duh!

Posted by: Duke | 2005-12-11 10:11:33 PM

Okay, Vit, I've been tooling around and reading some of your posts here and there. I am thinking you are more or less a rightie of sorts, but you really talk funny so it's hard to tell sometimes.
If I am right, I apologize for thinking you are a leftie. If I am wrong .. then how about a massage.

Posted by: Duke | 2005-12-11 10:22:45 PM

I too, Duke, am a relatively well off relatively conservative citizen, at least to some degree, and I don't go around calling people who haven't yet figured out which party to invest their hope in (in a world of maximal spin) whores. Neither should you. Hubris is the deadliest sin.

Sure I talk funny, but you talk angry. People don't trust angry people, that's why they appreciate humour as a rhetorical device. Just look at Richard's obits, he was a master of A Pryori humour.

Maybe you should try to help your cause, instead of just pissing on their parade. Yes revenge is a dish best served cold, and yes Canada is an Arctic country, but hubris just risks melting down the whole operation.

For example, your 1:54 PM posting at your web site today wasn't funny. Be careful son, or somebody's gonna' smack you upside the head.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2005-12-11 10:31:27 PM

Hmm, I have been reviewing my posts today and it occurs to me that it may appear that I am criticizing Duke more harshly than I intend. But Duke, buddy, don't call undecided voters whores. They won't believe you. Indeed, the oppostite is likely, and you'll end up paying for wasting your effort. It doesn't matter if you can afford it, waste is bad.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2005-12-11 11:14:37 PM

I find it interesting that vitruvirus admonishes ol' rich duke on calling undecided voters, but when duke uses the word "muzzies" to refer to Muslims does Vit get upset? Hmmm..not so much.

Posted by: Don | 2005-12-12 6:17:44 AM

I support the Conservative position on day care, but I'm worried that this Scott Reid beer and popcorn thing will actually end up helping the Liberals. Why, you might ask?

Despite all logic, the Liberals may actually have a winner on this issue. Many voters look at the Liberals promised tax cuts combined with money on day care and see themselves getting two gifts for the price of one.

Don't forget that most voters don't connect gifts from the government with the fact that the government is using their own money to give them the gift.

It's sad, but true.

Posted by: Two Cents | 2005-12-12 8:25:29 AM

I found the Scott Reid - Liberal spinmeister - remarks strange - Given several years ago Liberals mailed out checques for high heat costs to dead guys and prisoners and others - maybe the heat came from cooking popcorn! Oh and please, as a proud member of the Lanark-Frontenac-Lexington, & Addington riding of Ontario - my M.P., A Conservative who won a resounding victory in the last election of over 10,000 votes over the 2nd place Librano is Scott Reid the Conservative M.P!

Posted by: Mike W | 2005-12-12 11:00:14 AM

Look at the numbers in Atlantic Canada and Ontario. The Libs are running away. This election race is over.

Good piece Duke. Aussie,Aussie,Aussie...oi,oi,oi.

Posted by: DJ | 2005-12-12 11:40:32 AM

It's polls like this that you can't find a mention of in the MSM. On the other hand, any poll that finds the Liberals clearly out in front gets the front page.

I think that the beer and popcorn gaffe is going to cost the Liberals votes nonetheless. I found it hilarious that Martin practically endorsed Harper's daycare proposals during his damage control efforts.

What is also encouraging is the mostly negative reaction to their proposed handgun ban. Let's wait a few days and see some poll numbers then.

Posted by: Dennis | 2005-12-12 1:29:27 PM

If anyone has any common sense, then we are seeing the Liberals "hidden agenda". Cradle to grave socialism. Want an idea as to what that will be like? Well, Kachechewan First Nations or any other "reserve" living conditions are what it will become, while the elite Liberals make off with your money.

Happy Socialism Day!

Posted by: DAR | 2005-12-12 6:59:55 PM

Go Libranos! Go Libranos! Win a majority and wake up Alberta to leave this sorry lot of "Canadians" alone to wallow, in two broken languages and the best that socialism can only promise but never, by design, deliver.

Go Libranos! Make us Albertans see the light and sheer away from this national trainwreck.

Posted by: wharold | 2005-12-13 10:40:46 AM

C'mon, the response to the "beer and popcorn" comment only proves, in the weak mind of a Liberal, how correct the Liberals are to control the pathetic parents of children who don't agree with the Liberal mind. Typical (national) socialism.

No wonder the Liberals shed tears over Saddam's children's prisons being closed by those *dreadful* Americans.

Posted by: wharold | 2005-12-13 10:46:05 AM

Hey don,
"Muzzies" is an endearment ... like Newfies, Herring chokers, Hosers, Yankees, Canucks, know what I mean you politically correct up-tight jerk-off (not an endearment)That is part of Canadian Culture .. remember that culture? ... before people like you started banning it?

Vit, yes I am angry and my rants are my vent. I have a right to be angry when I see my free world coming to an end at the hands of mindless socialists - soon-to-be facists. One or two more elections ought to do it.

And you really should learn perochial english.

Posted by: Duke | 2005-12-13 10:47:43 AM

It amazes me that there are still people in Canada who would even consider voting for the liberals. They are arrogant and continue to play one section of the country against the other. But as the old saying goes......we get the kind of government that we dam well derserve.

Posted by: themaj | 2005-12-16 4:48:04 PM


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