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Friday, November 11, 2005
The fire in France
David Warren's recent columns about France must be read. You can find them here, here and here.
Some excerpts:
The rule of these districts is now effectively in the hands of radical Islamists, whose central demand is that French authorities stay out of the little emirates they have declared. The very secular French government, under Jacques Chirac, offers two contradictory responses. One is that of the prime minister, de Villepin, who keeps muttering about "tolerance" and "understanding". The other is that of the interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, whose approach is to call the youth "scum" and "rabble" and send the gendarmes in waves. Neither of these gentleman has a clew.
Both give at least lip-service to the ludicrous idea that increased spending on social programmes for these "underprivileged" districts will finally win the day. Even while the kids on the streets are purposefully destroying every physical manifestation of French state generosity (such as it is). Both speak as if they were dealing with some Marxist revolt of the proletariat against their capitalist oppressors. Instead, what they have is an Islamist revolt against French society.
and
Egypt, too, was once a Christian country. And generations after the arrival of the Arabs, there were Egyptians who could not imagine it any other way. But whereas it took about five centuries to Islamicize Coptic Egypt, it will take less than one to Islamicize postmodern France.
and
Here again, the prospects for France are much worse. It took eleven nights of general violence in practically every Muslim enclave in France, before the French state was able to cajole a few French Muslim imams to utter ambiguous fatwas against street violence. The celebration of these fatwas in the French mainstream media betrayed too much relief. Nowhere in Iraq does the government currently have much trouble finding imams and mullahs to condemn violence.
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Saturday, November 12, 2005
Anne Applebaum on those lovely Le Monde cartoons
posted by Joe N. @ 7:40 AM
«"Katrina's devastation points the finger at Bush's system ... Issues forgotten for years are back to the fore: poverty, the state's absence, latent racism.»
Quotes writer and Washington Post editorialist Anne Applebaum from Le Monde on 8 September 2005
«The quotation above appeared in a front-page article in France's newspaper of record. Just below was a cartoon [ED.: below]showing the American president watching TV footage of black corpses floating in the water. "But, what country is this?" the caption had him saying to his generals: "Is it far away? We absolutely have to do something!"
Unfortunately, this column does not come with its own cartoon attached, so I'm forced to describe the one I think Le Monde should print this week: A drawing of the French president, Jacques Chirac, watching black neighborhoods go up in smoke. The president is asking his generals, "But, what country is this? Is it far away? We absolutely have to do something!"
It is in our own interest, then, to be magnanimous and to come up with ways to assist the French. We could, for example, help them to shatter the myth that they live in an enlightened society, insulated from racial tension, by mass-mailing them copies of Le Monde with the word "America" crossed out in all editorials and the word "France" substituted instead.»
Désordre profound!!! Ali-bour-tonne!!! >>>>
Cartoon is here:
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-12 6:43:35 AM
An interesting article in the LA Times, Nov. 12, "A Mutual Suspicion Grows in Denmark":
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-denmark12nov12,0,5910116.story?track=tothtml
Excerpts:
'Hate screeds are rattling against this Scandinavian nation's aura of serenity. A Muslim publisher with suspected ties to the Al Qaeda terrorist network was recently jailed for allegedly inciting jihad and distributing videotapes of beheadings. A right-wing radio host reacted by saying that Muslims should be expelled from Western Europe, "or you exterminate the fanatical Muslims, which would mean killing a substantial population of Muslim immigrants."
Such incendiary cases, although exceptional in Denmark, raise fears that if Muslim integration can't succeed in the most liberal of Western nations, it might not be able to flourish in more conservative ones...
Liberal freedom-of-speech laws are being challenged by Hizb ut-Tahrir, an extremist Islamic organization recruiting Muslims to battle coalition forces in Iraq that include 530 Danish troops [those Danish war mongers!]. In a society that prides itself on racial parity, voters have elevated the xenophobic Danish People's Party from the fringes to the country's third most powerful political bloc.
"I believe integrating a large number of Muslims can't be done. It's an illusion," said Martin Henriksen, a 25-year-old legislator for the People's Party. "They don't have the desire to blend in with other people. We've been a Christian country for 1,000 years and we are the oldest monarchy in the world. I want to get married and have a lot of kids who can walk around in a society not influenced by Muslims."
This attitude mirrors growing cultural strains, anxiety over possible terrorist attacks and the Danish People's Party's frequent criticisms of the 200,000 Muslims among the nation's 5.4 million people. The tilt to the right is starkly seen in the number of asylum applications the government has approved: 53% in 2001 and 10% last year.
Across town in a neighborhood of fast-food shawarma stands and veiled women, Fadi Abdul Latif, the spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir in Denmark, accused conservatives of changing the meaning of integration. Whereas it once meant attending Danish schools and speaking the national language, he charged, now it forces Muslims into accepting European values on issues including sexuality and religion.
"This is the Europe of the Middle Ages," said Abdul Latif, a Palestinian born in a Lebanese refugee camp who moved here years ago. "When others want to force their values on Muslims, we must reject this. We neither want to assimilate nor isolate. We want to keep our identity and carry our message of Islam to others. But Europe is using the climate of war and terrorism to force assimilation."
Hizb ut-Tahrir seeks to establish an Islamic caliphate and expel Western influences from Muslim nations. Outlawed in Sweden and Germany, the group faces a possible ban in Britain after the London transit bombings in July. In 2002, Abdul Latif was charged with distributing hate literature that revered suicide bombers as martyrs and quoted a verse from the Koran: "And kill them from wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out." He received a 60-day suspended sentence...
"Twenty-five percent of all children in Copenhagen and more than 10% of all children in Denmark are being born to non-Danish mothers. What is happening is a gradual scooping out of the Danish population," Mogens Camre, a member of the Danish People's Party and the European Parliament, said last year...'
Then there is this from the inimitable John Ibbitson's Globe column, "Open arms help douse flames of alienation" (November 9; full text not online):
"But since it doesn't mean much of anything to be Canadian, thank the Lord,..."
Mark
Ottawa
Posted by: Mark Collins | 2005-11-12 8:21:24 AM
Mosque Attack in France
The Brussels Journal ^ | 2005-11-12 13:53 | Paul Belien
Posted on 11/12/2005 7:17:40 AM PST by DanielKronlid
It is becoming difficult to give you news about the situation in France. Apart from a minor incident involving a mosque, the media have lost interest or are complying with censorship recommendations from their editors who fear that the public would turn to the “extreme-right” if it receives correct information. Perhaps our attempt to provide information qualifies us as “extreme-right” too. To avoid legal problems our lawyers advise us to put up a warning:
Political Content Warning If you are a Socialist or a Liberal, please stop reading NOW.
In the sixteenth consecutive night of violence in France, 502 cars were set alight. Hundreds of molotov cocktails were thrown at policemen, cars and buildings, including a mosque in Carpentras in the south of the country. In Belgium’s sixth consecutive night of car torching, fifteen cars, including one truck and a bus, were damaged by fire – eight of them in Brussels. The situation in Denmark seems to be tense as well.
In both Paris and Brussels the authorities are nervous because islamist weblogs have called for demonstrations and violent protests today. The French authorities have banned all rallies and protests until Sunday evening. The Belgian authorities do not want the media to report about the weblogs. In Paris and Brussels the police are on the alert.
Meanwhile, Amnesty International has said it is “concerned” that the state of emergency in France “may lead to human rights violations” by the French police. >>>>>>.
freerepublic.com
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-12 8:35:17 AM
Get the Ed's note on this: (snort)> Patronizing the reader. Warning: Islamist murderers kill Editor's, too.>>
C’est la Guerre
By William S. Lind
[Editor’s note: We agonized over this commentary but decided to post it because Mr. Lind’s thoughts on the meanings of the French riots deserve consideration. Readers should keep in mind that Mr. Lind often dramatizes his conclusions, which are (it cannot be repeated too often) strictly his own.]
[The views expressed in this article are those of Mr. Lind, writing in his personal capacity. They do not reflect the opinions or policy positions of the Free Congress Foundation, its officers, board or employees, or those of Kettle Creek Corporation.]
War has broken out in France, Fourth Generation war to be precise. It has been underway for some years, quietly, disguised by calling it crime. Now, with 3000 cars and dozens of buildings burned, rail and bus services disrupted and the police overwhelmed, even the French are calling it what it is. “There is a civil war underway in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,” said Michel Thooris of the CFTC, a French police union. “We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues have neither the equipment nor the . . . training for street fighting.” >>>
http://www.d-n-i.net/lind/lind_11_09_05.htm
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-12 9:08:54 AM
Mark Collins
My in-laws are Danish, mostly teachers, mostly lefties, mostly Bush haters – but real “nice”, kinda like Canadians.
My bother in-law recently found himself hauling a Muslim student off the Principal’s throat because of disciplinary action being enforced upon the kid for bad behaviour. A couple of days later the Dad was called in for a meeting with the Principal about the incident and the same thing happened again – except the Dad was doing the choking of the Principal.
The good news is that Denmark is waking up. Even the teachers’ union now “get it”. My in-laws aren’t neo-cons yet but I’m working on them.
Moreover Denmark, unlike France has a relatively conservative, capitalist PM and the young Danes are now quite successful because they speak English and they have science and engineering degrees versus BA’s in Existentialism. There are a lot of young people driving BMW’s in Copenhagen. Maybe if you own it you won’t burn it.
So maybe the little countries like Holland and Denmark can still turn it around. I doubt France and Germany can.
Posted by: nomdenet | 2005-11-12 9:12:24 AM
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47285
French solution: Paristinian state
Posted: November 8, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
OK, enough is enough.
It's clear France is no longer in control of its population.
It's clear millions within its borders are struggling for freedom and independence.
It's clear that these people are not rioting for the sake of rioting, they are responding to oppression from French authorities.
It's clear that their uprising cannot be met with state violence, because that would only lead to a cycle of violence.
It's clear that these freedom-fighters – whom I have dubbed "Paristinians" – want a state of their own.
It's clear that the international community must force France to the negotiating table with these freedom fighters to begin the peace process that will inevitably lead to the creation of an autonomous, independent state of "Paristine."
If it's good enough for Israel, it's good enough for the French surrender monkeys who have been leaders of the global movement to force the Jewish state into appeasement of terrorists...
Posted by: ar-10t | 2005-11-12 11:21:35 AM
A Cupla Tidbits the Honest, Hard-Working MSM missed (Bwahahahahahahaha):
Hey like, no rush, but is that fatwa thing working yet?
The riots in France are increasing a bit, and at the worst possible moment. Police officers unhappy with the way they are being treated by French MSM and the government cabinet (who make it clear that the treatment of filthy animals takes precedent over the people in the front lines fighting this scum) are making their feelings known and the Seine Saint Denis section of France's largest police union has announced that its men will be on minimum duty until further notice.
City center hit by riots:
Aside from the nighttime incidents at the Place de la République in Paris last weekend, the riots have not hit a major city center, until late this afternoon. The Lyon city center was rocked twice by rioting youths who faced down police at the Place Bellecour on 2 occasions late this afternoon.
Riot police launched tear gas on the rioters who threw stones and garbage cans. Shops closed up and the Lyon Book Fair ceased operations.
Who needs cops anyway? That fatwa will surely kick in real soon now:
Just when we need these guys the most, the French government -- as hamfisted and maladroit as ever -- insults and then abandons them. Now they are just plain fed up. France's leading police union speaks out against the growing media and government cabinet abuse of French law enforcement while it deals with urban guerilla activity and the premices of a civil war.
The Riots in Facts and Figures; and the Timeline:
Here is the (regularly updated) timeline of France's riots in the cités, as well as the unpleasantness in facts and figures and the international coverage thereof……
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/
(Straight from Paristine with lotsa great links)
Posted by: Slim | 2005-11-12 1:03:01 PM
Forget police; send in the troops. These people are making war on France; let France make war back. Bombard the projects until they are reduced to ruins, and then send in soldiers to shoot anyone who does not surrender. To those who do not like this solution, I say: Come up with one that is cheaper, faster, and more effective (and does not reward misbhehaviour), or shut up.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2005-11-12 1:16:56 PM
French Police Turn On Chirac As Officer Jailed
Posted by blam
On 11/12/2005 4:40:41 PM PST · 24 replies · 521+ views
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-13-2005 | Kim Willsher/Henry Samuel
French police turn on Chirac as officer jailed By Kim Willsher in Paris and Henry Samuel in Bobigny (Filed: 13/11/2005) After 16 nights battling urban violence by rioters, Jacques Chirac's government is confronting angry new protests - from the police themselves. Firefighters extinguish a burning car in Strasbourg Officers at the forefront of attempts to control the wave of riots and arson attacks across France are furious at moves to prosecute policemen accused of assaulting a youth. As officers were deployed in force in Paris yesterday following a call on weblogs for a mass demonstration, the police union described the... >> freerepublic.com
Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-12 6:08:26 PM
This is not about Islam. It's about black criminality. In recent years, France has intensified its crime control measures in response to a perceived increase in social disorder in immigrant neighborhoods. France’s foreign and immigrant residents, while representing only about 6% of the population overall, comprise nearly 30% of the French prison population. The squeeze by French policing authorities caused a back-lash.
Dalrymple -
"Reported crime in France has risen from 600,000 annually in 1959 to 4 million today, while the population has grown by less than 20 percent (and many think today’s crime number is an underestimate by at least a half). In 2000, one crime was reported for every sixth inhabitant of Paris, and the rate has increased by at least 10 percent a year for the last five years. Reported cases of arson in France have increased 2,500 percent in seven years, from 1,168 in 1993 to 29,192 in 2000; robbery with violence rose by 15.8 percent between 1999 and 2000, and 44.5 percent since 1996 (itself no golden age).
Where does the increase in crime come from? The geographical answer: from the public housing projects that encircle and increasingly besiege every French city or town of any size, Paris especially."
Crime, as Herrnstein and Murray observed, correlates closely with IQ. Whether black Muslims from Mali (mean IQ 69, Lynn & Vanhanen) Haitian, or Martinique black Christians (mean IQ 72, same source) such levels of criminality cannot be abated without extreme intervention.
Murray writes -
"Inequality is too often seen as something that results from defects in society that can be fixed by a more robust economy, more active social programmes, or better schools. It is just not so.
The effects of inequality cannot be significantly reduced, let alone quelled, unless the government embarks on a compulsory redistribution of wealth that raises taxes astronomically and strictly controls personal enterprise. Some will call this social justice. Others will call it tyranny. I side with the latter, but whichever position one takes, it is time to stop pretending that, without such massive compulsion, human beings in a fair and prosperous society will ever be much more equal than they are now."
Posted by: DJ | 2005-11-12 11:27:47 PM
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