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Sunday, November 20, 2005

Natural Selection (mild language caution)

Like something out of Six Feet Under, there was a shooting death at a gangland funeral in north Toronto on Friday. I can't help but giggle at the platitudes spewing forth from the media and the city officials. It's hilarious! A gang-banger gets gunned down. Other gang-bangers come to his funeral, to celebrate his fabulous lifestyle choices. One gang-banger shows up and starts killing the mourning gang-bangers. People, this is natural selection. If these are the choices you make within your family, your community, and your own life, then you have to live (and die) with the consequences. Black or white, young or old - if you live like an a**hole, you die like an a**hole. Don't go looking to the rest of us for pity.

The funniest line belongs to Police Chief Bill Blair.

"It's an extraordinarily appalling act," he continued. "One would hope that there would be respect for our houses of worship and our faith community. I think the place in which this act took place and the public nature of this violence demonstrates the callous disregard some of these gang members have and the total disrespect they have for their community."

Toronto has actually led the way in disrespect for houses of worship and faith. Seeing as this was a Baptist church and not a Mosque, I see no reason why Toronto officials should suddenly care that a mockery is being made of faith and the church. They only have themselves to blame.

Just like the gang members.

x-posted to Girl on the Right

Posted by RightGirl on November 20, 2005 | Permalink


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This post makes me sick.

Natural selection? Call good good and evil evil. Don't confuse the two.

Posted by: pat | 2005-11-20 6:52:16 PM

Well if we are only products of evolution then there is no good or evil. Only that which furthers the species.

However, that post is quite tactless and distastful in light of civilized moral sympathies.

Posted by: Mark | 2005-11-20 7:17:39 PM


Great argument for eugenics. I'll stick to good and evil, thanks.

Posted by: Pat | 2005-11-20 7:19:50 PM

The last time I heard "god dam niggers" was in Cayman. The Caymanians dislike them {Jamaicans} because they bring in drugs, hatred and violence. A lot of the Caribbean Islands feel the same way, it’s not just a Toronto or race [colour] thing. Lowlife comes in all colours, races and religions.

Posted by: AsISeeIt | 2005-11-20 9:14:34 PM

There is nothing natural about Tronna's gun problem. It is entirely man-made, the result of decades of arrogance and incompetence by the citizens of the city and metro area. Quite simply, they refuse to believe they have a problem, and will not elect officials willing to deal with it. That is why Miller is not taking decisive action. He'd rather blame America and Ottawa for it. I wonder if he realizes the cost: dead non-whites in his city.

If this happened to anyone else, I would be concerned. But the people of Tronna are incompetent, stupid and lazy. They get what they deserve.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-11-20 9:39:26 PM

The shooting was at a funeral. Maybe we should register all the funeral directors and their hearses. Shouldn't cost more than a billion or two.

Posted by: Virgil | 2005-11-20 9:49:54 PM

I managed to catch a interesting bit of information on the news about this, so brief, that I might have imagined it. I hope someone else can also confirm it.

The eighteen year old victim also had an eighteen month old child.

This violence is fueled by a breakdown of families, a trend too prominent amongst urban blacks in the US and Canada. The victim's mother grieved on camera, but there was no sign of a father, as is now the norm.

I think the black "community", (whatever that is), needs to address this first as a issue of families. You have black men abandoning their families and children, whith those young black men also having children at a young age, while using violence against other black men, and subsequently being the victims of black violence themselves.

For the trolls who post here, obviously, I am not saying that this happens because they are black men, but rather that this IS happening to black men.

It is tragic that this young men was killed, but the tragedy is much, much bigger.

May God help us, as the government certainly will not even raise this issue.

Posted by: Dishwasher | 2005-11-20 10:23:49 PM


what is your solution to the gun problem in Toronto, besides electing "and will not elect officials willing to deal with it. "

So: The elected official should be doing what?

Posted by: Michael | 2005-11-20 11:11:15 PM

Um, it wasn't "a Baptist church" -- according to the piece you linked, it was Seventh Day Adventist.

And I don't understand your point about Toronto's leading the way in disrespect re. houses of worship. What is your point, exactly?

Posted by: Russ Kuykendall | 2005-11-20 11:11:32 PM

The real problem here in Canada is that these gangbangers came from places like Jamaica and Haiti at the age of 15 or 16 and they aren't able to keep up with the other kids.

So they figure that there's no hope in getting an education and so they join gangs because it looks like a promising career choice for the uneducated. The best thing to stop this gun scourge is to:

1. Deport offenders and revoke their citizenship (the American approach against Hispanics, and not my preferred choice).

2. Send them to juvenile hall for a few years and teach them a trade so that they have legitimate avenues of employment. Then send them back to these neighborhoods as motivational speakers.

3. Decriminalize the drug trade in order to encourage drug dealers and gangbangers to sign legally enforceable contracts over drugs. Most of the violence stems from gang turf wars or deadbeats who don't pay debts. This act will also have the effect of making the profit margins on the drug trade much thinner.

4. Adult reading classes as well as tax breaks and vouchers for adult education initiatives - thereby encouraging deadbeat dads to seek more gainful and legitimate employment than the drug trade.

5. Free up the Canadian economy by reducing tax burdens for businesses and individuals - thereby creating more low-wage temporary jobs (babysitting, lawnmowing, etc.).

Posted by: Rabid Libertarian | 2005-11-20 11:26:03 PM

Yeah RightGirl. It wasn't a Baptist Church. You're trying to attack respectable churches. I'm a Baptist and I take offense to you pinning this on the Baptist Church when it was Seventh Day Adventist which some would consider a cult over a religion.

Posted by: Andrew | 2005-11-21 12:50:11 AM

Russ, her point is that she's an atheist and she's using this opportunist to promote her hatred of God. This is disgusting. Somebody should remove this woman's right to post. She has not place here.

Posted by: Andrew | 2005-11-21 12:53:03 AM

Well, I've read the post over three times and I can't find anything in there to disagree with. Gangstas don't live long. It's not generally a good career move.

Posted by: CJ | 2005-11-21 1:05:21 AM

Andrew, if she's an atheist, how can she hate something she doesn't believe exists? You're not making any sense.

Posted by: Maple stump | 2005-11-21 6:38:44 AM

Not an atheist. My point was that it is ridiculous for the Toronto police cheif to suddenly care about houses of worship when Toronto has done everything in their power to force religion out of Canada. Christianity is not welcome here. The politicians have no respect for it - why should the gangs.

I find it sad, not good. Sorry if that didn't come across.


Posted by: RightGirl | 2005-11-21 7:30:23 AM

I'm an atheist. I don't hate god; I'm indifferent, since I consider it (god) an intellectual construct and I don't accept that construct. However, I'm not interested in changing people and insisting they become atheists. It's their choice, and I expect them to respect mine.

I think that Rabid Libertarian misunderstands the economy. He is assuming that it's all caused by (1)non-citizens and (2)lack of low income jobs.
He is suggesting that the problem of gang violence could be dealt with by enabling low-income jobs. He suggests babysitting and lawnmowing.

But people don't want (and can't) live off such incomes. Equally, people who engage in the criminal economy are not interested in low income jobs. They want the Porsche NOW, not in 40 years; they want the lifestyle NOW, not in 10 years. And they, ever, don't want the two bedroom bungalow in the suburbs and a neat little garden lifestyle. They probably don't want the professions either, where you study for 15 years before earning a decent salary.

Therefore - since gang violence is not caused only by non-citizens, suggestion one (deport them all) won't work.

Equally, suggestion two (teach them a trade) won't work, since the criminal economy does not want low income wages. That is, people who move into the criminal economy do so, because it offers high returns, even if those returns are aligned with high risks. But after all- the same could be said for high end corporate and political business.

Decriminalizing the drug trade is a dead-end suggestion, in my view. It ignores that a criminal economy exists, not because the produce is illegal, but because the economy is, itself, so lucrative. Decriminalize one thing, and the criminal economy will simply switch products. It's the economy, not the product.

Suggestion four- adult education, rests on an axiom that the ONLY reason they are in this criminal economy is because they are too uneducated to even get those low income jobs; they can't read the label on a packing slip. That might be valid only for a minority. I'm still suggesting that the criminal economy is highly lucrative and therefore, is chosen for its high returns, despite its high risks.

Suggestion five - is perhaps a joke. You can't make a living mowing the lawn.

How to deal with it? There'll always be a criminal economy, i.e., a high risk economy, both legal and illegal. Our current Liberal gov't is an example of one end of the spectrum. I think that the community in which that trade exists has to reach a crisis threshold when it, itself, will stand up and say - enough. For example, have the people of Canada had 'enough' of the high end criminal economy of the Liberals?

They must be strongly and completely assisted in this 'enough' by a justice system that sets high costs to the high income returns of the criminal economy. So- the costs ought to be severe jail time, no 'walk in the court and walk out the door' as it is now. The costs ought to be long sentences for the use of a gun and etc. That will assist the community to enforce its own limits on how much criminal activity it will permit.

At the other end of the criminal economy - note how Coffin got off without jail time, with instead, a sentence that he should go to schools and lecture about how one should always be good rather than naughty. That sentence doesn't help the Canadian community deal with high end political criminals.

Posted by: ET | 2005-11-21 8:08:15 AM

Michael asked: "what is your solution to the gun problem in Toronto, besides electing "and will not elect officials willing to deal with it. "

I have two solutions:

1) give the gangs more guns, and more powerful ones, so they can overwhelm the city and drive it further into the ground.

2) start enforcing these anti-gun and anti-crime laws like they are supposed to be. A better twist would be to treat white suspects like black suspects, leading to all kinds of mayhem.

But personally, I don't want Ontario to solve this problem. I am having too good a time laughing at the incompetence and stupidity of white Ontarians blaming their problems on their racial inferiors. So much for the "peaceful, multicultural, tolerant" reputation Tronna pretended to have.

"So: The elected official should be doing what?"

How about admit their incompetence and resign for a start. But knowing Easterners, they'd just find someone even worse. Face it: you're screwed.

Posted by: Scott | 2005-11-21 8:17:19 AM

I found the comments by the Police Chief interesting.
I agree with what he said but I think he has something to do with the situationa as well. The Toronto/Peel regional police forces as well as the OPP and RCMP have a pathetic record when it comes to dealing effectively with gangs and organized crime.
The incidents in the Toronot's West End are Gang Related activity.
So, when Bill Blair comments on the 'Lack of Respect' for the community shown by the gangs, this is really a reflection of how he and fellow officials have failed to do their jobs.

It's not as if these thugs are a seriously intelligent and well organised bunch! It's a systemic problem in how law enforcement is managed in our country. With politicians too spineless to admit that there are such things as criminal goups. The police are not allowed to deal with the groups but only with individuals. Tactics like this do not work even with the most low level gangs.
Is RightGirl wrong about community responsiblity? NO she is not wrong. It is simply not the Politically Correct position.

So between fighting to maintain Political Correctness and risking Offence of someones delicate sensiblities I'll take the second option if helps get criminals off the streets and into jails where they belong.

Posted by: PGP | 2005-11-21 8:30:17 AM


> How about admit their incompetence and resign for a start. But
> knowing Easterners, they'd just find someone even worse. Face
> it: you're screwed.

Why am I screwed? I am not living in Eastern Canada.....

> So much for the "peaceful, multicultural, tolerant" reputation > Tronna pretended to have.

I lived there for five years, I never felt threatened, nor did I observe anybody blaming the multiculurlism as the root of Toronto's Problems. But then I was probably just not looking as closely as you are obviously, you have some insight I don't have.

Posted by: Michael | 2005-11-21 8:43:43 AM

The post assumes that the victim was a criminal as well. In Canada we don't assume guilt based on zero information. Often those attacked by gangsters are witnesses to other events. I think that the person who wrotes this speaks from prejudice and total lack of experience and I don't think I'll return to this site.

Posted by: just | 2005-11-21 6:06:21 PM

The victim was an eye witness to the previous murder of his best friend(who was a gang member). I think it's a good, educated guess that a gang members best friend is also a gang member...But, ba-bye!

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2005-11-21 7:13:49 PM

He stepped outside for a smoke, in the middle of his "friend's" funeral. What kind of respect is that? Those people always get what's coming to them.

Posted by: Mallard | 2005-11-21 9:33:55 PM

Re: Chief Blair. How can a big city Mayor and it's police chief be shocked by this brazen attack? Are they that niave? They honestly had no inkling as to the lack of respect for authority or common decency? After years of soft sentences,un-elected judges,full jails and social engineering there is NO FEAR!!! And they're damn proud of it! Blair, Miller, the Liberals and civil libertarians must wake up and smell the coffee. This is merely the beginning of the end, a sign of the times. More spending on the LONG GUN registry is not going to help. God help us all if the Liberals are re-elected because all they do is wring their hands, waste our money, look after their friends and look for the next gig to save their sorry behinds. They've spent the $17 billion surplus, are poised to spend more, have no debt re-payment plans, and are also set to throw the gates open to more immigration, adding more fuel to the fire.

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Posted by: maz2 | 2005-11-22 6:02:49 AM

I would like to extend an invitation to Right Girl to offer an explanation and/or apology. I didn't give her post my undivided attention except for the quote about Chief Blair. Having gone back and re-read I must say she was a tad bit over-zealous and perhaps should have slept on her thoughts before posting. God knows I have learned this the hard way myself and will likely still make mistakes. I also have to say I can understand, in a small way, the absurdity of this seemingly surreal situation. Hopefully her comment about natural selection was poorly chosen. If this was a huge mistake come back, say your piece and be proud of doing the right thing whatever that may be. To err is human to forgive and forget is too.

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Posted by: Malcolm W. Everett | 2005-12-29 11:02:43 AM

Sorry, but I'm going to be very honest with this site and everyone here. We are all racist to a point, even though most of us all have firends of all different backgrounds. One things is not aloud in my family is breeding with the blacks. I agree.

Anyhow, everyday I get up I listen to the news before work and a shooting occurs its a black person always so far under 35 years. As someone said here they get what they deserve. I look at this country and I know that there are bad apples in every culture, but you know what they aren't as bad as the blacks. They shoot eachother down every day, its toronto and its filled with blacks. Let them kill eachother off.

They are rude people with big mouths I hear them say things like "whites are f_**@Ked!" But you can not hear or aloud for a asian, white or indian etc... person to say "nigger" why? Because we all would get it left and right! But I don't care, they are the core of our problems. I say all the bad ones needs to be thrown in jail and out with the key. They don't need 3 meals aday.

Toronto is the worst place to live in. I moved a way to woodbrigde, yes there are a few bad kids but not like toronto...rarely is in the news. These niggers are what the are niggers and all they want is hand outs from the governments, they should work hard like the jews, italians all other imagrants thatt came to this country! They were brought here as "slaves?" big deal get over it and move on they were all ways taken care on. They didn't have to do anything the hard way like the people who fought to come here and make a good life for their children with no money.

Niggers are ruinning this country. Not all of them but most of them!

Posted by: Maria Minadiamo | 2006-07-16 8:59:15 PM

Attitudes like the one above above are destroying Ontario. The willingness to blame others for social problems is an entirely self-defeating effort. Try taking a little responsibility. I know that is asking a lot of Ontario, but there must be some faint hearts who have the same opinion.

However, I am not optimistic. Have fun, Easterners, destroying your society. Just don't expect non-Ontarians to be awed when you say you're from Toronto - in fact, it might even scare us.

Posted by: Scott | 2006-07-16 11:39:25 PM

I agree with Maria, shes kinda right0. I see it everyday, when you actually observe everything all the cutural fests that go on in toronto there are hardly any shootings, yes maybe the odd time. But when it comes to "BLACKS" When they have theirs.......shootings all the time! Read it in the papers news etc..

They are the ones that are making this city go down, I"m sorry I hate to state this but you know what all this true! Just today a black youth was killed at 17 years of age. again? I'm not suprised. Hey maria, I also moved out of toronto. Italy won the soccer game and there were parties on the street....NOTICE THERE WAS NOT ANY SHOOTINGS? BUT If it was jamaica that won there honestly would have been 2 or so causalities.

Posted by: John | 2006-07-19 6:08:03 PM

Toronto a frightening place now. Saving up money to move out. Yes it is the Jamaicans - they have a culture of criminality which they flout. I hear them talking at kennnedy subway about how they beat up other kids - laughing about it. Ignorant and semi-illiterate. This is Canada? They have no interest in being part of Canada or learning about it - only interested in their identity as Jamaicans, but they are in Canada now...I see many wearing gang-related t shirts (e.g. "snitches must die") and identifying colors - no idea that this harms them and their community. I feel threatened and frightened on the way to work and also at work -where there is a majority of Caribeans.

Posted by: fed up | 2006-09-04 11:01:11 AM

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Posted by: Vincent Armstrong | 2007-01-25 12:27:42 PM

Well natural selection or not I am exceedingly glad to see the niggers killing each other off. I think that niggers are doing a fine job of eradicating the youth in their own communities! Hooray!!!!!! Now we need to toughen up our criminal code give it some fucking teeth!!! Any nigger caught by the cops with a gun, drugs, or in the commission of any crime at all take him to his family home and pull the entire family out they also pay the price for the young thugs crimes. we beat the whole fucking family to death men women children cousins aunts uncles etc. the family pets go too and we put the corpses on display for 5 days in the courtyards of public housing that these fucking parasite niggers live in like the fucking cockroaches they really are. After a few nigger clans are wiped out with no mercy, we round the rest of the fucking nigger scum up,yes even white cunts who chose niggers to sleep with are totally tainted half nigger quarter nigger eighth nigger hell any nigger blood and you are put on rusty leaky boats and set sail for Africa andf you will be very happy tyo be back in the Motherland. You see your welcome will be warm and filled with hot lead. You see the African niggers got thier own countries when the evil white man (who gave them education medicine civil goverment etc) was tossed out and now the black nigger parts of Africa are in chaos tribal power struggles are complete massacres, they destroy all the good things that are civilised they revert to their inherant savage nature. It is a proven fact that niggers cannot be civilised Mike Tyson is an example. As for this nigger focused school in toronto that niggers want I say the apes that are endangered we take them and fill the nigger school with the apes they would definately outshine the nappy headed little nigglets.

Posted by: tokyo joe | 2008-04-09 7:52:08 AM

Has anyone been following this Noelle Mowatt fiasco? Heres a quick rundown she called cops on boyfriend falsley accused him and then refused to testify so the court locked her up, she is 8 months preggo another baby momma here from......ready...Jamaica!!! Well doesn't this nigger piece of shit played the victim to the hilt, and when the dumbass feminazis took up her cause stridently calling for her release on humanitarian grounds calling her a victim of the state and using this sham as an excuse to claim other women will not call police now!!!!! Here is a small background on"Saint Noellee Mowatt" she has one child already which she abandoned in jamaica with her own mother(sound familiar?)she comes to Canada gets pregnant again(irresponsibly) and she expects to ride the gravy train that our government provides for a whole section of our populace(mostly black), oh and get this she is already facing a theft charge of her own prior to this bullshit. Now the lawyer that had her case I wonder why she is no longer commenting stridently about how the courts have victimized her client because she is "marginalized" And where did those opportunistic feminazis get to? They all dissapeared when the truth came out. She lied plain and simple start to finish, and yet I am willing to bet she will demand that C.A.S. cannot take her child as soon as it is born, oh yeah another bit of info the lawyer, and the feminazis failed to mention. You see c.a.s. is going to be there to sieze the baby because she is an unfit mother, abandoning one child19 mos back in jamaica with her momma. But I just bet she will try to twist this to her own advantage, and you will see the blacks clamoring for our govt to bring her momma and the other child here to add another family car to our gasping social sevices engine. Nosiree!!! No fucking way!!! Deport this woman back to jamaica reunite her with her momma and the kid she abandoned. I am writing and calling my M.P. on a daily basis to ask for an inquiry as to why deportation proceedings against this nigger are not being filed. Or are there perjury charges or obstruct justice charges pending on her? I keep calling the M.P. every day to ask politely what is going on so please start e-mailing your M.P. to see that this slug is deported or charged tried and sentenced then deported. I also have asked that our govt. consider this; any thug caught commiting any crime, will be arrested,bail rights suspended, round up the entire family mother(never poppa)aunts uncles cousins everyone related and deport all of them back to their country of origin. that entire family barr ed,implant microchips in their hearts, to track them if they try to return. Can you imagine how many people just one bust would be emptied out of public housing in one fell swoop? I could see ten empty housing units for every bust! Wow, our crime problem would drop dramatically!!! Whatdya think, viable?

Posted by: karl klassen | 2008-05-02 6:51:46 AM

Umm...do you guys really allow this kind of racism on this blog? Anyone else think that it's likely karl klassen's middle name starts with a "k" too?

Posted by: Angela | 2008-05-02 6:57:38 AM

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