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Wednesday, August 11, 2004
Treason
It is time to dust off laws concerning treason and sedition. The Telegraph does not specify who conducted an interview with two British citizens who have taken up arms against the Crown in Iraq. They should do so.
The 23-year-old, who identified himself only by the nom de guerre Abu Hakid (Father of Fury), was asked why he came to fight. He replied: "It is evil against the angels." His 21-year-old nephew, using the pseudonym Abu Turab (Father of Dust), said: "Bush said you are either with us or against us. We had to decide whether to be with him or against him, so we are against him, obviously."
Abu Hakid, who acknowledged that neither man had any military training, said: "We went to fight last night. It was quite fun, actually." He conceded, however, that "it was dangerous."
"Quite fun, actually." It seems there is a class of scum who have taken up jihad as a form of extreme adventure tourism. This is not a lark. These are men who have declared themselves for the slaughter of September 11, 2001, taken up arms against democracy and call it "fun". These are men fighting for an ideology that systematically subjugates women, murders gay men and subjects the rest to arbitrary torture and the whims of a medievalist thought police. And yet Michael Moore has described their ilk as "Minute Men" and I am sure many so-called progressives would agree. Wait for the keffiya wearing radicals and champagne leftists from Hollywood to Cannes to romanticize these so-and-sos. Fun, indeed.
Cross-posted to Ghost of a flea
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I think their amusements will be short-lived.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/08/11/iraq.main/index.html
Posted by: alan | 2004-08-11 10:26:39 AM
Agreed. But are these guys really British citizens, or just landed immigrants? If the latter, perhaps then they can't be charged. We surely have a number of like minded folks in our country (what with those 20,000+ "refugees" wandering the streets)-- if they aren't Canadian citizens, how would be charge them with treason if we had to??
Posted by: Kathy Shaidle | 2004-08-11 12:23:43 PM
Anyone who commits one of the acts enumerated in the Criminal Code, s. 46(1) [high treason] or (2) [treason] while in Canada can be charged accordingly:
http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/c-46/sec46.html
Under s. 46(3), "a Canadian citizen or a person who owes allegiance to Her Majesty in right of Canada" who commits one of those acts outside Canada can also be charged.
Presumably British law is similar???
Posted by: Charles MacDonald | 2004-08-11 12:56:10 PM
This is old news. What about our very own Khadr family? The best we seem to be able to do in this gutless country is have the Ontario Children's Aid Society go after Mama Khadr ("I have no connection with Al-Qaeda") on the grounds that she exposed her poor little tykes to guns and other dangerous things. No mention of aiding and abetting the enemy there. Sedition? Treason? Works for me, but the natural conclusion to Canada's 35 years of relentless multiculturalism is ... the Khadr's. Next time there's conscription in this country (dream on), the draft notice will have 2 boxes and the draftee will get to choose - Canadian Armed Forces (ha!) or Enemy.
Posted by: Jeff Kean | 2004-08-11 3:02:04 PM
Uh why is anyone surprised by this?? Have you people not studied Islam ??? It also preaches the enslavement of Jews and Christians under the Dhimmi system and out and out murder or conversion of Hindus and Buddhists ...... and so forth......and why are you surprised that Muslims go and fight for Islam overseas??
Folks......this is NOT some abberant form of Islam.......that is why I have to tell you over and over again that is why you NEVER see masses of Muslims protesting the so called extremists in there presence.....the actions of the Wahhabies, Bin Ladins and Hamas are applauded across the Islamic world....many of you simply still do not want to face this reality......
Islam proper is dangerous as all hell to the non islamic world......we had better the hell wake up to that fact...
And yes,the Khadr's of Canada and these scum in Britian should be lined up and shot to death asap.........that is if we had any morality left in our Western societies where we used to believe in right and wrong!!
Thanks
Devon
Posted by: Albertadude | 2004-08-11 3:17:27 PM
Isn't it time that all our countries begin to take a new, more realistic approach to multiculturalism?
Although multiculturalism has enjoyed great success as a cultural theory, in practice it has seldom lived up to its reputation.
This insistence on "diversity" in the face of all costs is not only wrong, it is plain dangerous.
It is not only militant Islam that threatens us, it is also those enablers in our own societies. One group wants to kill us, and the multiculturalists want to help them.
Posted by: Greg in Dallas | 2004-08-11 4:14:45 PM
It's been a long time since someone would write something like "Cleared".
http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/K/KiplingRudyard/verse/volumeXI/cleared.html
This is, I'm sorry to say, one of the consequences of dual nationality. (I'm one -- my 2nd passport's American, & I think Nick is one -- British.)
Perhaps those who naturalize as Canadians should be required in their oaths of citizenship to renounce (or attempt to renouce) their old citizenships, and those who then return to fight in their "homeland" should then have their Canadian nationality revoked, as their oaths were obviously not taken in good faith. Indeed, perhaps any Canadians who fight in foreign armies or irregular forces (or, say, non-NATO and non-Commonwealth ones) should either be charged or have their passports revoked. (The Khadr boys were, after all, Canadian by birth.)
Devon -- summary executions are foreign to those who share the legal heritage of England. Treason is a serious charge which must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. If we believe in anything at all, our legal traditions would be a good base.
There's no need to go on a witch-hunt. Our own laws are probably good enough -- we just need to enforce the ones on the books right now. (Though I would prefer to enact what I suggested above.)
Posted by: Ben | 2004-08-11 8:01:17 PM
Are "witch hunts" really so bad, if it's witches you're after...?
Posted by: Kathy Shaidle | 2004-08-12 6:30:45 AM
Well, one of the reasons our own society is so pleasant to live in is that we live under the rule of law. Unless things are absolutely going to hell in a handbag, i.e. an apprehended insurrection like during the American Civil War or the October Crisis up here, there's no good reason to toss that tradition away.
And things aren't. We just need to prosecute those who violate the laws that are _already_ on the books. s.46(1)(c) combined with s.46(3)(a) of the Criminal Code do it just fine, and the penalty can be life imprisonment. (If you want more, then there's that whole death penalty debate... which can be made, of course.)
Posted by: Ben | 2004-08-12 6:44:41 AM
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